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|May-03-10|| ||pulsar: "My sincere condolences to the family and friends of Florencio Campomanes. Fortunately I had always very correct and friendly relationship with Florencio. I think that in the period of political opposition between West and East he saved the chess world from splitting. He showed his outstanding diplomatic talent – Baguio 1978 – and his further presidentship was evidence of that."|
Tenth World Champion"
|May-04-10|| ||Check It Out: <pulsar>, that's just Borris Spassky talking. |
Grave Spitter is a good name for a hard rock band.
|May-04-10|| ||pulsar: <Check It Out> Yes, and I was just quoting him.|
|May-04-10|| ||Check It Out: <pulsar>, I think it is a nice quote. Don't mind my irony :)|
|May-04-10|| ||spawn2: <Eric Schiller>
Pity..you could have used Campos's passing to show in a positive way what kind of a man you are. Unfortunately, you allowed hatred and vengeance to rule your heart.
I hope that the people you have antagonized or will antagonize in the future will not be brazen enough to declare that they are rejoicing when you meet your Maker and will just be contented to pray for you and grant you their forgiveness..
|May-04-10|| ||wordfunph: <Eric Schiller>...now i know you better.|
|May-04-10|| ||pulsar: <CIO> Forgive my being cross despite the irony. I woke up with a headache and the news of Campo's death. Although I don't know the man personally, I think he deserves some respect in his passing. |
Reading Eric Schiller's hate-filled post is no way to treat a headache. :)
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: Which do you prefer: a thief who loves chess or an honest man that doesn't even look at chess.|
I prefer a chess lover.
And Campo was acquitted by the Supreme Court with finality, period. Any lawyer will close his eyes and shut his mouth after a ruling of the Supreme Court.
But to an ignoramos, his mind, eyes, mouth and fingers are still open, will squirm like a cornered chess player about to lose. If not jealous he's just plain crazy.
|May-04-10|| ||raychandler: I can believe Schiller posted that. Haven't most of you figured out that Schiller is a spiteful windbag as well as a hack. That comment is typical of this not very bright fellow.|
|May-04-10|| ||chancho: <Which do you prefer: a thief who loves chess or an honest man that doesn't even look at chess.> |
No offense <dunkenchess>, but by that logic, is this guy supposed to be preferred over an honest man because he's a chess lover?
Claude Frizzel Bloodgood
Campomanos got off because of some technicality, and the money was never recovered. Whether he loved chess or not, is no reason to overlook some of the stuff that happened when he was FIDE President. Oh, just in case: I don't hate the guy. In spite of his flaws, may he rest in peace.
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: But of course <chancho>, chess not considered, i will stick to an honest man.|
But then I love chess.
|May-04-10|| ||pulsar: <chancho> Have you followed the case and read all the pertinent documents? It was dismissed, due to technicality as you pointed out, but the Supreme Court's ruling is final and and you're making a case out of a no-case. Surely the fund handling could have been done better, but it also does not necessarily follow that because a detailed accounting was not presented that the money went into Campo's pocket.|
Shall we all cast stones and wish the man peace at same time?
|May-04-10|| ||chancho: <On February 5, 2003, the Philippine anti-graft court Sandiganbayan convicted Florencio Campomanes, the former FIDE president, for failure to account for the Philippine Sports Commission (PSC) government funds amounting to PhP12.876 million (or US$238,746 at an exchange rate of PhP53.932 = $1). The PSC entrusted these funds to the FIDE for the World Chess Olympiad in Manila, hosted by the Philippine government from June 6 to 25, 1992. Subsequently, Florencio Campomanes was sentenced to one year and 10 months imprisonment. According to a FIDE Press Release, dated 1/16/2007, Campomanes was cleared of these charges by the Philippine Supreme Court in December, 2006, though FIDE's release states that the penalty was the equivalent of a 100 euro fine.>|
<The charges against Campomanes' were overturned based upon a technicality. There was never any resolution about what happened to the 12.876 million pesos mentioned in the above paragraph. The rationale for the overturn was that the Supreme Court of the Philippines decided that Campomanes was not a government official to whom the anti-graft laws applied. Thus as a non-government official, Campomanes had no duty under the law he was prosecuted to render an accounting of the 12.876 million pesos.>
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: Why does ES hated Campo? Let me just guess.
ES served as an international organizer for FIDE, year - I dunno. Campo served as FIDE President from 1982 to 1995. Perhaps along the line there was an unfinished business between the two that boils down to money.
ES, as international arbiter, had worked notably for the Kramnik-Kasparov World Championship match. We know that Kasparov was one of the founder of the Professional Chess Association (PCA) which is outside of FIDE and PCA was at war with FIDE unil now. But FIDE still recognizes Kasparov.
Previously, Kasparov hated Campo because of the botch 1st championship match with Karpov.
Thus, ES is the lapdog of Kasparov.
Now, I know.
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: Now for the money <chancho>.|
The Phil gov't handed money to Campo and had used it in the very successful chess olympiad in Manila. Everybody was happy but not ES because perhaps the US gov't did not made ES as part of the US contingent, he was not qualified, and ES perhaps wanted money.
The gov't did not obliged Campo to account for the money. FIDE and its staff did not spend a cent but instead received the fee. Everybody seemed to have received their share of the loot without any accounting. So what's the problem?
It is very difficult to grab a bag of money with the use of a gun but it is very easy to open your palms to easy money.
You could not be a Campo if you do not know one plus one. How much more if you are the President of FIDE?
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: Let's just enjoy life and play chess...
|May-04-10|| ||LaFreak III: great man who spread chess all over the globe.|
|May-04-10|| ||asianwarrior: The leadersgip provided by Mr Campomanes led to the chess boom in the Philippines.|
May he rest in peace.
|May-04-10|| ||tpstar: I wonder if Florencio Campomanes read the Wesley So page before he died. You know, all those warm and friendly posts promoting chess like "Then you're dead" & "I will hang them" & "Snitches get stitches" & "i kill people for nothing" & how bakla and half-and-half get "stab to death" in the Philippines.|
You guys form a Cult and a hate group on a player page, then lecture others about love and forgiveness. That is a double standard.
|May-04-10|| ||Paraconti: Any comments from Kasparov on Campo's death?|
|May-04-10|| ||chancho: <Everybody seemed to have received their share of the loot without any accounting.> |
<There was never any resolution about what happened to the 12.876 million pesos>
Sounds to me like they never figured out where the loot ended up. Pretty murky stuff if you ask me. The only guy who knows <fo sho> is the man upstairs.
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: 12.876 million pesos is small compared to the bonuses of the bankers whose banks were bailed out.|
Still one can not see a syndicate in action.
|May-04-10|| ||wordfunph: Manila Bulletin: Even in his final days, Campo fought on..|
|May-04-10|| ||dunkenchess: 12.876 million pesos is small compared to 70 million pesos yearly bonus per member of the Philippine syndicate.|
12.876 million pesos is small compared to the billion of pesos raked in by the former dictator of the country.
|May-04-10|| ||HeMateMe: I bet Imelda Marco's budget for buying new shoes could feed Yemen.|
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