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|Oct-24-14|| ||twinlark: <twinlark: <Using the latest data, there is no support for Arp's theory.>|
Not sure it's that simple. Arp's ideas were never supported and it took years for any actual review of <Seeing Red> and <Discordant Red Shift Associations> to appear.
Check out the situation for Markarian 205, and say definitively that these are not linked objects.>
You know you stumbled when you have to reply to your own post. My last post was badly put together. It stands to reason that a bad theory will not gain support from the scientific community (although there are a few notorious exceptions, including in the recent era of String "Theory").
The late Halton Arp was one of the world's top astrophysicists in the field of spectroscopy, if not the world's top spectroscopist, so he was certiainly in an excellent position to study and theorise about red shifts and their causation. A Harvard graduate, in 1960, he won Helen B. Warner Prize for Astronomy by the American Astronomical Society, a prize "normally awarded annually for a significant contribution to observational or theoretical astronomy during the five years preceding the award." Also in 1960, he was awarded the Newcomb Cleveland Prize for his address, "The Stellar Content of Galaxies", read before a joint session of the American Astronomical Society and AAAS Section D and in 1984 he was awarded the Alexander von Humboldt Senior Scientist Award.
He worked at the Hale Observatory at Mt Palomar for nearly 30 years. When he published “The Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies” in 1966, he was exploring the notion that red shifts might have causes other than recession velocity.
Subsequently he published <Seeing Red> and <Discordant Redshift Associations> which catalogued and examined galaxies and quasars which seemed to be linked in space. His critics - and there were many - said that these were simply accidental optical alignments (which is incredibly insulting by his critics or diplayed monumental incompetence by Arp - take your pick).
In fact that is - as <Boomie> pointed out - still the official stance.
The implications of his observations are that if the evidence he presented held true, then the Big Bang Theory was in the dustbin.
Nevertheless, if you read his publications, especially the latter two, you can't be but impressed with the thoroughness of Arp's observations. He always maintained that evidence - empirical observation - should always trump theory if it holds firm. Naturally, his opponents thought his evidence was wrong.
Ultmately he was booted out of Palomar and he went into scientific exile from the US eventually moving to work at the Max Planck Institute for Astrophysics near Munich with the Burbridges, who supported his work.
Not being an astronomer, I would have probably also relegated Arp's work to interesting but a dead end, but for the other problems that have been dogging the Big Bang Theory such as the previously mentioned Hercules Coronal Borealis Great Wall, a stupendous structure of innumerable galactic superclusters, that constitutes nearly 11% of the volume of the known universe, and certainly much than 11% of the binding mass of the entire universe. That coupled with the problem of r-series element production means the BBT has some serious wrinkles to iron out. In this context, perhaps Arp's observations are still apposite.
The following is a link to Amaxon which has many reviews of Arp's <Seeing Red>: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Re..., while this one reviews <Catalogue of Discordant Redshift Associations>: http://www.amazon.com/Catalogue-Dis...
There are also numerous webistes such as http://cosmicdiary.org/strifourki/2... studded throughout the internet.
The following shows how a researcher has to tip toe through discussions of quasars with unusual red shift characteristics: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/...
|Oct-24-14|| ||al wazir: <ljfyffe: If Hillary became President, what would Bill's title be?>|
1. President Emeritus.
2. First Gentleman of the Bedchamber.
3. Eminence gras.
4. Special Assistant in Charge of Internal Affairs.
|Oct-24-14|| ||OhioChessFan: First Cuckold|
|Oct-24-14|| ||al wazir: <OhioChessFan: First Cuckold> You must know something I don't know.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||devere: The late Dr Michael Crichton and friends November 15th 2005. Dr Crichton's presentation begins at 8:40.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||OhioChessFan: Slide me a little poetic license, right?|
|Oct-24-14|| ||ljfyffe: <al wazir>Well, apparently, Bill doesn't know what having sex is is, so poetic humour licences would be in order.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <ljf> strictly speaking, a cuckold is a man with a philandering wife.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||HeMateMe: If Hilary is elected does she get to do stuff with a cigar, to Brad Pitt?|
|Oct-24-14|| ||twinlark: She might have more fun with donuts.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||TheFocus: <ljfyffe: If Hillary became President, what would Bill's title be?>|
Sax and Sex
|Oct-24-14|| ||TheFocus: Heck, the first time I ever saw Bill Clinton, he reminded me of every used car salesman I had ever known.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||TheFocus: The first time I saw Hillary, I thought, "Is she the floor model, or the trade-in?"|
|Oct-24-14|| ||HeMateMe: Hilary was having an affair with a male employee of the Rose law firm, while Bill was president in D.C. The media never beat her up over that, but the Republicans tried to hang Bill Jeff over a little comic relief with Monica Lewinsky. Double standard, male and female sexual behavior?|
|Oct-24-14|| ||devere: "John Stossel: Why Government Fails—But Free Individuals Succeed"|
|Oct-25-14|| ||TheFocus: "I did not have sex with that woman!"
I never knew if he was talking about fat Monica or ugly Hillary.
|Oct-25-14|| ||twinlark: <TheFocus>
Your misogyny is showing.
|Oct-25-14|| ||perfidious: <TheFocus> Not that Monica was anything to write home about, but better her in those days than hard-faced Hillary.|
Even if he <did not> do anything.....(wink)
|Oct-25-14|| ||TheFocus: <twinlark> <TheFocus> <Your misogyny is showing.>|
Oops. Forgot to zip up.
|Oct-25-14|| ||TheFocus: <perfidious> <TheFocus> <Not that Monica was anything to write home about, but better her in those days than hard-faced Hillary.
Even if he <did not> do anything.....(wink)>|
I always had better luck on Fat Girl Night than on Ugly Girl Night. On this, me and Bill could have been frat brothers.
|Oct-25-14|| ||ljfyffe: <TheFocus> Sax, sex, and six, she said to Tripp...not knowing enough to keep her trap zipped!|
|Oct-25-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-25-14|| ||rogge: <twinlark: <TheFocus>
Your misogyny is showing.>
Well, <thefoci> is both fat and ugly, that might explain it.
|Oct-25-14|| ||MissScarlett: <After a slight improvement in August, the number of jobless in France once again increased in September, reaching a new record high of 3.43 million unemployed, government figures revealed Friday.|
Data from France’s labor ministry showed unemployment rose by 0.6 percent last month, after the modest 0.3 rise it experienced in August.
“Let’s be honest, we are failing,” French Labor Minister François Rebsamen told Le Parisien newspaper on Friday in an unusually candid acknowledgement of France's massive unemployment problem.>
The inimitable commentary of Chris Brand:
<After centuries of cousinly competition, in which France had relegated its Viking Normans to run Britain but still wanted British support against Germany, France took a hit as Britain’s Tory-led ‘nation of shopkeepers’ economy made a better job of recovering from America’s overlending to Blacks (with the resulting Western banking crash) and gave its Conservatives a poll lead – narrow, but massively superior to the disastrous position of French socialist, polygamist, table-thumper and crazy-mixed-up-kid, Président François Hollande.
The managing director of international economic giant John Lewis described France as “sclerotic, hopeless and downbeat” and advised British entrepreneurs doing business in the country to pull out (Guardian, 3 x). MD Andy Street said France was “finished”, adding: “I have never been to a country more ill at ease … nothing works and nobody cares about it.” Admittedly, this sounds a bit like peecee ritain....
He made his comments, reported in the Times, at an event in London marking the end of a John Lewis competition for start-up companies. Earlier, he was in Paris to pick up a retail award for his company. He told the London gathering of entrepreneurs that the award was “made of plastic and is frankly revolting”. “If I needed any further evidence of a country in decline, here it is. Every time I [see it], I shall think, God help France,” he said.
Street advised his audience: “If you’ve got investments in French businesses, get them out quickly.” The eurozone’s second largest economy was struggling for growth under president François Hollande and the country’s own finance minister admitted that it would overshoot the EU’s modest 3% budget deficit target for 2014. The French economy had been hampered by low growth and poor tax receipts in recent years. Flagrant socialism had led to mass emigration of talent, making London the fourth-largest city for housing Frenchies.
Street also compared the dismal Gare du Nord railway station in Paris as “the squalour pit of Europe”* in contrast to London’s re-vamped St Pancras station at the other end of the Eurostar line.>
|Oct-25-14|| ||cormier: Women on front lines in Syria, Iraq against IS
Just over a year ago, Afshin Kobani was a teacher. Now, the Kurdish Syrian woman has traded the classroom for the front lines in the battle for Kobani, a town besieged by fighters from the Islamic State extremist group.
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