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|May-24-17|| ||Big Pawn: <WannaBe: <john barleycorn> Better Stumper question:|
100 suicide bombers in Manchester, how many young people will be killed?
Answer: Big Deal!>
At least <al-ways boring> is consistent with his atheism. On atheism, moral values don't really exist, so there is no real, objective moral difference between, say, kindness and terrorism
That's why it's no "big deal".
Given atheism, we're all just animals, and it's no "big deal" when animals kill each other.
All we have is this silly illusion of morality, as human beings, but all educated people know that it's merely that, just an illusion.
<al-ways boring> gets like this every time the objective moral value argument comes up. He commented on it from afar this time around, and now it's on his mind. So, being mindful of this, he is not going to say that what happened in Manchester is a "big deal".
Think <big pawn> is a crazy extremist?
Okay, fine by me.
|May-24-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: <At least <al-ways boring> is consistent with his atheism. On atheism, moral values don't really exist, so there is no real, objective moral difference between, say, kindness and terrorism>|
But <WESTERN VALUES> do exist.
Liberals have simply forgotten them, or now operate on the foolish and arrogant assumption that anyone we allow to immigrate to the first world will suddenly pick up nice values and act just like Westerners.
|May-24-17|| ||john barleycorn: <Big Pawn: <bobster: Muslims have their countries, and we have ours, and it should stay that way.>|
Sames with the sames.
Differents with the differents.>
is not it amazing that muslims flee to christian countries but expect an environment that suits them?
|May-24-17|| ||al wazir: <Petrosianic: This is eerily similar to your argument that a government could spend all the money it wanted, without let or hindrance or ill effect simply because they could print money.> I never said that it was advisable or painless.|
It is true that a country like the UK or the US, which controls its own currency, can print more whenever the central bank deems it necessary. Economists make much of that fact and point out that because Argentina pegged the peso to the US dollar in the 1990s and Ecuador is using dollars as their currency now, they cannot do this. If their balance of payments is negative (as happened to Argentina), they eventually run out of money.
If the central bank prints too much money, inflation results. Inflation obviously helps debtors, because they can repay their debts with cheapened money, and according hurts creditors. That's why it's sometimes done deliberately. In extreme cases, like Weimar Germany in the 1920s or Zimbabwe in the last decade, it becomes hyperinflation. (Zimbabwe switched to using US dollars as their currency, which cured their inflation, but now, like Argentina, they are running out of money.) Greece and Italy can't inflate their way out of debt because they're stuck in the euro zone. That can't happen to us.
Economists keep saying that a certain amount of inflation (typically at least 2%) is necessary for economic growth.In response to this I keep pointing out the US economy was essentially non-inflationary throughout the 19th century, and that didn't stop it from becoming the world's largest. Germany's inflation rate has averaged only about 1% since the financial crisis (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ger...) and they've done okay.
|May-24-17|| ||john barleycorn: <al wazir: ...
If the central bank prints too much money, inflation results. Inflation obviously helps debtors, because they can repay their debts with cheapened money, and according hurts creditors. That's why it's sometimes done deliberately. In extreme cases, like Weimar Germany in the 1920s or Zimbabwe in the last decade, it becomes hyperinflation. ...>
Do you also hold a PhD in economics/finance?
|May-24-17|| ||Big Pawn: <jbc: is not it amazing that muslims flee to christian countries but expect an environment that suits them?>|
Yes, and what's even more amazing is that the liberals have come to arbitrarily place diversity and multiculturalism ahead of safety and security.
They are literally sacrificing their children to diversity, which they worship.
|May-24-17|| ||Big Pawn: Terror rocks the U.K... young girls murdered... but some Brits are more concerned about Katie Hopkins' "hateful" tweets about Islam.|
|May-24-17|| ||al wazir: <Bobsterman3000: <WESTERN VALUES> do exist.> Ah, now we're on the same page.|
There's nothing objectively or universally or absolutely good or bad about what Muslim terrorists think is good and bad. It's just what they've been brought up or taught or brainwashed to believe. And by the same token, there's nothing objectively or universally or absolutely good or bad about what *we* think is good and bad -- but it's *ours*. It's the way we grew up. We would rather not force everyone to pray five times a day, and we prefer not to ban musical performances and artworks, and we don't like killing people for apostasy and blasphemy.
So it's not a war between Good and Evil. It's just a war between us and them, between their ways and ours.
|May-24-17|| ||devere: "Family of slain DNC staffer Seth Rich demands D.C. police reveal details of its murder investigation after reports claimed he may have been the source of Wikileaks emails"|
<The family of slain DNC staffer Seth Rich is calling on the Washington, D.C. police department to go public with details of the murder investigation, after ten months of near-silence from law enforcement officials and as theories continue to spread about the mysterious circumstances of Rich’s shooting death last July.
‘The family has full confidence in the Metropolitan Police Department’s ability to proceed with this investigation. But given the large amount of hearsay and conspiracy theories surrounding the case, maybe it’s time for the police department to be more forthcoming with information regarding the investigation and to update the people of Washington, D.C. on the status of the case,’ said Brad Bauman, a spokesperson for Rich’s family.>
|May-24-17|| ||al wazir: <john barleycorn: Do you also hold a PhD in economics/finance?> No. I'm weak in economics and hopelessly ignorant about finance.|
|May-24-17|| ||john barleycorn: <al wazir: <john barleycorn: Do you also hold a PhD in economics/finance?> No. I'm weak in economics and hopelessly ignorant about finance.>|
same here. that is why I got married. somebody needs to take care of the money :-)
|May-24-17|| ||User not found: Tuxedo boy.. Even though the attractive, well spoken and extremely beautiful Miss Hopkins is right in the tweet, people have got it twisted, that's all!! By final solution she didn't mean gas all the Muzzies, she obviously meant deport them, ban them, think radical .... She most definitely did not mean make a Muslim Camp fire http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...|
|May-24-17|| ||Big Pawn: <ladyboy gaga>, I have no problem with Miss Hopkins or what she said. My problem is with PC liberals who are more concerned about her "Islamophobic" tweet than they are with getting serious about Islamic terror.|
Let me tell you something. You know they got Islamic countries? It's a place Muslims can go and be with other Muslims.
But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The liberals in Britain, US and Europe want to import the enemy. They don't sneak over. You every think about that?
They are brought here by liberal politicians.
Trump has been <the only> one with the balls to say what the regular folks are thinking.
|May-24-17|| ||devere: It is UK government policy to ban critics of Islam, such as Geert Wilders, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and Michael Savage, from entering the UK; while at the same time welcoming Islamic immigrants to the UK. Until that government policy changes, the UK should expect many more events like the suicide bombing at Manchester.|
|May-24-17|| ||User not found: If you can't see the difference between hating a religion because it's twisted, evil and medieval, and not supporting Donald Trump just because he thinks the same then you're just stupid... which is why he got elected in the first place! Nobody over here likes Donald Trump, he's a laughable figure, everyone knows he's thick af with the rhetoric, intelligence and temperament of a toddler. We hate Islam because we hate Islam, no one has EVER called me liberal just because I think Trump is pathetic and embarrassing.. I'm the most non liberal person you don't know but I'd still rather vote for a donkey than your boyfriend|
|May-24-17|| ||Big Pawn: <User not found: If you can't see the difference between hating a religion because it's twisted, evil and medieval, and not supporting Donald Trump just because he thinks the same then you're just stupid>|
You fail to support the only guy that thinks as you do!
You don't like "him" so you turn a blind eye to his policies, which you would approve of.
Understand this: If Trump was in charge in Britain and they did what he said, you would have NO MUSLIMS in Britain.
Stay inside that thought for a while and quit letting liberal PC control your thoughts.
|May-24-17|| ||User not found: <Understand this: If Trump was in charge in Britain and they did what he said, you would have NO MUSLIMS in Britain.>|
I tell you what else we'd have.. No English people living there either! LOL.
Your fan like adoration, pop star like crush on a fat disgusting old simpleton is what makes me think you're pathetic, tediously repetitive and bordering on homosexuality. Wake up Tux, no one but creeps and the brainwashed simpletons like Trump.. He embarrass your country, although I don't look at you as American anymore or even take your opinions into consideration, you get soooooo butthurt because...... <People don't like the man you voted for!!> Let that sink in LCD, you're just a Mong who's beyond help. There's people on this site who voted for him but they don't make a complete tit of themselves by agreeing with his every brain dead action, you're not right in the head mate. Bob loves Trump but at least he'll not defend the indefensible, you're brainwashed or just thick to begin with, easily led, and Donald Trump is your pied piper. Sad!
|May-24-17|| ||User not found: In fact.. Don't take my word over Donald Trump just check all over social media and you'll see Americans divided like never before. Arguing over pathetic ridiculous labels you attach to each other just because Chad voted the opposite of Beyonce-Olivia, calling each other liberal for not sucking up to the most embarrassing American citizen in history is pathetic and embarrassing! Your nation is bordering on civil war because you're soooooo brainwashed but you're a nation of cowards and only feel comfortable with your opinions via twitter and facebook. You people are 2nd only to the Muzzies, just the scum of the world right now... And I love my American friends, but at least I choose friends who <can> see the difference between hating Islam and hating Donald Trump at the same time, it's not hard really! Islam = evil. Americans = confused divided offensive cowardly dumbassess!|
|May-24-17|| ||HeMateMe: Those <regular folks> pawn talks about rejected his repealing Obamacare. they are now in the process of rejecting his budget, which beats up food stamps and SNAP, both programs which help low income people buy groceries.|
We do need better oversight on abuses of these programs, such as people shopping with multiple cards and not being checked at the register. The skyrocketing number of disability claims seems suspicious, too, in light of our movement from a hands on labor to machine and computer driven workplace. Certainly some compromise is possible with the GOP hawks on these issues, but Trump's budget is just too draconian.
It's interesting that his plan to let individual states cut Medicaid will most effect the sparsely populated and blue collar states that got him elected. Apparently golf boy isn't planning on running for a second term.
Those same "regular folks" are seeing Trump get investigated, his people turned inside out, and it won't stop soon. There's no loyalty to him in the GOP because he's done nothing to deserve their loyalty.
Trump will be a curious footnote to history when he is voted out of office in 2020. The GOP will in the future run a more traditional candidate, someone like Pence in coming elections.
Trump will be apolitical as an ex-president, kryptonite, avoided like the plague, invited to no dinners or planning committees. He'll stay in private business and his tweets will make for television joking. It will be as if Nixon had been on a Twitter binge after being thrown out of office, a bad joke.
|May-24-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: < al wazir: <thegoodanarchist: When you can't make up your mind if suicide bombings are universally evil or not, then pretty much everything else in life will be a puzzle to you.> I have no trouble making up my mind, but I don't pretend to make up *yours* for you.|
People who think that their values are universal and that they are justified in enforcing them on others are thinking exactly the same way terrorists do. So are devout Christians who think that everyone must adhere to their values because they are "God-given.">
I got this far & stopped, because really you should have focused on this part here, done some proof reading, and maybe put a little more thought into it.
I leaned back and looked at your post in its entirety, and saw:
<Here's something to think about>
This part was a little further down. I disagree.
I say that the part to think about is this:
<People who think that their values are universal and that they are justified in enforcing them on others are thinking exactly the same way terrorists do.>
I invite everyone to enter into thinking about *this* part, with me.
With an example.
<We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed>
This is evidently an assertion of "universal" values, and was written by men who clearly thought they were justified in enforcing these values on others, up to and including the king of England.
Were the men who declared this, and fought for it, and who even gave their lives for it, thinking "the same way" as terrorists?
Or, to look at it another way, <I have no trouble making up my mind, but I don't pretend to make up *yours* for you.> leaves no room for rights.
Because how, then, do you teach a child that it is wrong to murder? After all, you don't want to make up his mind for him, do you? And in order to respect another person's right to life, you must be willing to proscribe murder in the minds of others.
|May-24-17|| ||perfidious: <john b: <al wazir: <john barleycorn: Do you also hold a PhD in economics/finance?> No. I'm weak in economics and hopelessly ignorant about finance.>|
same here. that is why I got married. somebody needs to take care of the money :-)>
|May-24-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: < al wazir: <Bobsterman3000: <WESTERN VALUES> do exist.> Ah, now we're on the same page.|
There's nothing objectively or universally or absolutely good or bad about what Muslim terrorists think is good and bad. It's just what they've been brought up or taught or brainwashed to believe. And by the same token, there's nothing objectively or universally or absolutely good or bad about what *we* think is good and bad -- but it's *ours*.>
Leading to the inescapable logical conclusion that it is not wrong to murder you.
So I guess you are in agreement with the terrorists. Well done!
|May-24-17|| ||Nisjesram: < Big Pawn: <nizzle>, you need to carefully read my last few posts addressed to you, because the questions you are asking are answered there.
And you don't get off the hook from answering my questions but trying to shift the subject by asking me a whole line of questions.|
Not gonna happen.
Never the less, your questions are addressed in my last few posts to you>
That is from the <big pawn> forum.
Now on Friday evening (sat morning USA),
I will comment on these posts of <big pawn>
They are extremely laughable, however, I would request you people to show some respect (pretend to show some respect at least) , <johnlspouge>, <bureaucrat> ,<abdel irada> and others.
Nah , just kidding :)
Laugh all you want when you read his comments and my response to them on Friday evening.
Thank you, regards, Namaste
|May-24-17|| ||chancho: Trump Duterte Transcript:
|May-24-17|| ||thegoodanarchist: <User not found: <Understand this: If Trump was in charge in Britain and they did what he said, you would have NO MUSLIMS in Britain.>|
I tell you what else we'd have.. No English people living there either! LOL. >
If you keep letting in terrorists, you might end up with no English people <living> anyway.
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