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|May-21-13|| ||al wazir: <HeMateMe: The stock answer is probably that Spanish people in texas will always have a higher standard of living under the USA flag.> "Always" is a long time. Sixty years ago Japan was still devastated from the war and S. Korea was dirt poor. Both are rich countries now. Mexico has been prospering in recent years under the influence of NAFTA and improved governance.|
<Even if Mexico suddenly tried to turn back the clock 180 years, most Mexicans would be happy living without drug wars and bandits.> Again, I think you're being short-sighted. Those may not be permanent features of Mexican culture.
<Texas adds value to the USA that Northern Ireland never had for England. Texas has the oil, the coast guard/navel base possibilities. Trade routes ending in Houston. Fishing industry, military bases. San Antonio river walk! That wealth is shared with latinos, who work in these industires, buy a house, raise kids, etc. If someone who posts here is from England or Ireland, it would be interesting if they could explain what northern Ireland added to the British Isles, if anything. As I recall, the area was so poor, with such high unemployment, the taxpayers of Britain had to shell out an allowance of 1,000 pounds per year, just to keep the northerners happy.> Good point. But the sentimental desire of Irish Catholics to reunite Ireland was strong enough to overcome rational objections. Might the same not be true for Hispanics?
<I guess there is the North Sea Oil, but didn't that get discovered and drilled for quite a bit later than the start of "the troubles"?> The last time I looked, Ireland wasn't in the North Sea. I think what you are saying is that N. Ireland partook of the oil windfall by virtue of being part of the "United" Kingdom. But if that is your meaning, their share was pretty small, and it didn't go very far toward remediating Ulster's poverty.
|May-21-13|| ||Shams: A big step towards proving the twin prime theory:
|May-21-13|| ||FSR: <Shams: <FSR> Wow, she has an Erdos-Bacon number. That is awesome.|
I wonder if anyone has the Triple Crown-- an Erdos-Bacon-Fischer number.>
I think Morphy numbers are better recognized than Fischer numbers, so IMO a Morphy number should be the third jewel in the Triple Crown. A fair number of people have Erdős–Bacon numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5... I'd think that most people brainy enough to have an Erdős number would at least have tried chess, and most people who've played chess have both a Morphy number and a Fischer number, so the answer to your question is almost certainly "yes." You of course have a Fischer number of two, so if you ever wanted to hit on the now-divorced Ms. McKellar, that could be useful. "Hey baby, how'd you like to lower your Erdős–Bacon-Fischer number to 9?"* **
* McKellar has an Erdős–Bacon number of 6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danica... If she played <Shams>, her Fischer number would be three: she'd have played <Shams>, who has beaten Viktors Pupols, who won Fischer vs V Pupols, 1955. Her Erdős–Bacon-Fischer number would be the sum of her Erdős number (4), her Bacon number (2), and her hypothesized Fischer number of 3.
** <Shams>' Morphy number is most likely 5. He beat Pupols, whose bio here says he beat Arthur Bisguier, who drew Tartakower, Tartakower vs Bisguier, 1950, who lost to James Mortimer, J Mortimer vs Tartakower, 1907, who reportedly played Morphy many offhand games in Paris in the 1860s, http://chicagochess.blogspot.com/20....
|May-21-13|| ||kb2ct: |
WRGB is celebrating its 85th year of TV broadcasting.. First TV station in the world.
It has at least 5 weathermen. The one I heard is Steve LaPointe, their chief meterologist. he clearly said 41 minutes of warning.
Even the weather channel's radar is greatly improved. It can tell the size of hail and count lightning strikes. The tornado had over 1000 lightning strikes per hour visible to radar.
I am a "weather spotter" for WRGB and have my weather station hooked to them by internet.
|May-21-13|| ||FSR: <Shams: A big step towards proving the twin prime theory:
Very cool. The article notes that a weaker version of the Goldbach conjecture has also been proved recently.
|May-21-13|| ||Shams: <FSR> That's hilarious. Ok, Morphy it is.|
|May-21-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <HeMateMe: I do believe that England beat its own head against a tree for about 25 years longer than they had to, by symbolically keeping Northern Ireland as "our own". A peaceful transition to one Ireland could have happened in the 70s or 80s. So much wasted money and lost lives.>|
How interesting that you can see that, but you can't see how Israel keeping the Occupied Territories as "its own" for <x> years could be viewed in the same light.
I defy you, <HeMateMe>: Set aside for a moment whatever you believe about *me*, read what I am *saying*, and ask yourself whether Israel would not save itself much head-beating by making a fair and equitable peace with its Palestinian neighbors.
|May-21-13|| ||kb2ct: |
Rick Scott the weather Warning coordinator in Norman, Oklahoma said they had 36 minutes of warning.
Debris from Moore was found 150 miles away.
Not the only EF 4 tornado in the OKC area
|May-21-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <al wazir: <Abdel Irada: In any case, this is decidedly among your best posts.> You can't be serious.>|
It is said that men treasure nothing so much as a good insult, but I still think you've been here too long.
In any case, *something* is awry when one finds it easier to tolerate adverse and sometimes caustic criticism than to accept a compliment. ;-)
|May-21-13|| ||FSR: Another gun owner making his family safer:
<A 2-year-old boy in North Carolina is expected to survive after shooting himself with his father’s gun over the weekend.
Randolph County deputies said that the toddler found the handgun in his parents’ room at their home just outside Asheboro around 2 p.m. on Saturday. The boy put the gun in his mouth and fired it.
According to WGHP, the boy was listed in critical condition Brenner Children’s Hospital in Winston-Salem on Sunday, but was expected to live.
“The bullet missed all the vital arteries there in the neck in the head and also missed the spinal cords, so I said it’s a miracle the child is still with us,” Randolph County Sheriff’s Office Captain Derrick Hill explained to WGHP.
A neighbor told the station that “the good Lord was looking after him.” [Yay, God!]
The sheriff’s and district attorney’s offices were considering whether to charge the parents with leaving the firearm unattended.> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/...
|May-21-13|| ||Shams: <FSR> Was the good lord looking out for the toddler when he allowed him to be born to such idiots?|
|May-21-13|| ||Tomlinsky: <HMM: You don't know my politics.>|
You don't seem to actually 'know' much about anything but expend quite a bit of effort trying to impress people by having an 'opinion' on everything.
<The New England area police or FBI may have made some arrests in this regard, in the 1970s, so don't assume everyone just looked the other way.>
Read the sentence that you wrote again. 1) Do you see that it is itself a complete assumption as presented? 2) Do you see that it has nothing whatsoever with the point that was being made?
<I do believe that England beat its own head against a tree for about 25 years longer than they had to, by symbolically keeping Northern Ireland as "our own". A peaceful transition to one Ireland could have happened in the 70s or 80s. So much wasted money and lost lives.>
Perhaps. You don't 'know my politics' on the matter either it appears, but it doesn't actually have anything to do with the point being made anyway.
<But, if you are hinting that because I'm a white person in the USA I support the donations that went to the IRA, you are wrong.>
I wasn't, but thanks for using the assumption to quote a little John Lennon anyway and rendering the rest of your post meaningless. The point wasn't veiled in any way, others seem to have understood, and since you feel it is acceptable to tell others what to 'do' or 'don't do' in a subject you appear to know next to nothing about... Don't ask me to explain what the point actually was, try a little harder to understand it yourself and then 'don't' proceed with tangents that have nothing to do with it when you have worked it out. To use your vernacular.
<It's a unique problem, that one can't really understand, unless you grow up in that part of the world.>
Indeed, thanks for acknowledging this point of fact. I grew up in London during the IRA 'Bombing Campaign' in an area where letters regularly couldn't be posted because the postboxes were sealed with bits of wood and a bolt during declared 'blitzes', had a local MP (Member of Parliament) and good man murdered by the IRA and missed having my first car blown to smithereens by inches at a London Underground car park, chased down Kilburn High Street for refusing to donate to 'the cause' in a pub. A few other near misses but hardly Palestine, Israel or Afgahnistan granted <ZIIING> but that's life. And yourself?
|May-21-13|| ||Colonel Mortimer: If <HeMateMe> was a little more intelligent I might be a little harder on him. But it's not particularly sporting kicking the village idiot when he's down.|
|May-21-13|| ||N0B0DY: I'm sure Krugman is ecstatic, seeing how the economic recovery is now surely on its way to Oklahoma...|
|May-21-13|| ||Abdel Irada: What a forum this is, where we can exchange views with <Everyone> and <NOBODY> ... and wonder if they are the same person.|
|May-21-13|| ||hedgeh0g: <HMM: You don't know my politics.>|
<HeMateMe>'s politics summarised: "U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!".
|May-21-13|| ||HeMateMe: <Tomlinsky: > You're a rude idiot. The majority of Americans share my opinion that hanging on to Northern Ireland was 1) very costly in lost lives and monies spent and 2) was mostly wrong, because Ireland is a separate country than Britain.|
One could debate this all day, but the broad American view is that there is "one Ireland". It took Britain and the Irish 40 years to figure that out, but it seems to be mostly settled.
If you don't like my opinions--TUFF.
|May-21-13|| ||FSR: <Shams> The Lord works in mysterious ways. That explains why He was AWOL while the tornadoes came sweeping down the plain, but people are now praying to Him on behalf of those who are injured and missing. Nice gig, being God - you get thanked for everything good that happens, but don't get blamed for the bad.|
|May-21-13|| ||HeMateMe: <Al wazir> I see your point, in that Mexico is a little better off today, than 30 years ago, but how much better?|
They don't have enough jobs, water or arable land for a growing population. They endemic kidnappings and a drug war problem so serious that local police cannot contain it in some areas--their army has to come in and fight a pitched battle.
If you compare some of the border towns in south texas to their opposite number on the Mexican side, the murder rate is 20x higher in Mexico. If you are a latino in Texas, with a job and a house, do you really want all these problems suddenly spilling into your backyard?
I would say Mexico has a long ways to go before the Latinos of Texas want to become part of Mexico. Already, many of them have been here for so many generations they feel more American than Mexican.
|May-21-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <If you don't like my opinions--TUFF.>|
<HeMateMe>: the Ford truck of resident pundits?
Unfortunately, it has long been apparent (given what kind of individual typically applies the adjective to himself) that "tough" is a synonym for "stupid."
As for "tuff," that belongs to the kind of folks who "laff"; but <HMM> goes this one better by YELLING it.
Ultimately, <King Sacrificer> was right.
|May-21-13|| ||FSR: Now Bluto presumes to speak on behalf of "the majority of Americans" and "the broad American view."|
|May-21-13|| ||Tomlinsky: <HMM: You're a rude idiot.>|
YOU were the one who kicked off with the tone, do's, dont's and pure assumptions in an attempt qualify your viewpoints. It isn't very polite is it?
<The majority of Americans share my opinion that hanging on to Northern Ireland was 1) very costly in lost lives and monies spent and 2) was mostly wrong, because Ireland is a separate country than Britain.>
And what does that have to do with the point that was being made. Hint: NOTHING.
<One could debate this all day...>
There's no need. The only person who is 'debating' the points you added to the tangential pot is yourself, nobody else. You appear to hear but not listen.
<If you don't like my opinions--TUFF.>
As uninformed as they often are I have no problem whatsoever with your opinions. It would help, somewhat, if you could put a little more effort into making them actually relevant to any posts they claim to 'answer' and not go off on tangents you bring up out of context for reasons unknown but it's-- NO BIGGIE.
|May-21-13|| ||pawn to QB4: Both the Irish and the British knew a damned sight more about Northern Ireland than you'll ever know, HMM. We don't stand in need of this kind of patronage:
<the broad American view is that there is "one Ireland". It took Britain and the Irish 40 years to figure that out>. Fortunately there were Americans like George Schultz who took the trouble to listen to the various sides instead of assuming they knew all about it, and they made a big contribution to sorting out a very difficult problem. Believe me, if handing the six counties over to the Republic had been the path to least bloodshed Britain would have taken it gladly. |
I assure you that during The Troubles - and I got to see some of the victims first hand - the usual view in Britain wasn't that we needed to hang onto Northern Ireland as if we were still stuck in the days of our empire. It was just to wish the horror, the violence, the whole place would go away. I remember friends in the Republic thought much the same. Regular joke was that Americans like yourself who had easy solutions were welcome to the place, it could be your 51st state.
Contrary to what outsiders often imagine, there was never anything like a consensus within those six counties in favour of joining the Republic. And thousands of them were ready to fight about it, to the point of civil war. This ruled out any easy solution. But the Good Friday agreement has largely solved it, it's got democratic backing throughout Ireland, and thanks to all who helped, including some excellent American diplomats. If they'd come in with views as simplistic as yours, we might be clearing up the bodies still.
|May-21-13|| ||HeMateMe: <FSR:> Well, you love being a contrarian. I think you feel it gives you some sort of special status. Whatever.|
If you were watching the evening news or reading newspapers in the 1970s and 80s, you would know that most Americans thought the sectarian fighting in N. Ireland was a sad, senseless affair. The fact that it has finally been settled shows that the majority in Ireland and Britain came to the same conclusion.
|May-21-13|| ||HeMateMe: <Tomlinsky> My, but you're an emotional chap, aren't you? Do you have some special stake in "the troubles", some particular reason why the topic sets you off? I guess English nationalism could be your focus, but I think you are certainly overreacting to my very bland opionions, that blowing up bars, police stations, and military vehicles is kind of stupid when the two sides could be living in peace.|
But hey, don't take my word for it, regarding the American view. Next time you come over here, ask a few strangers in the park if they have an opinion on the old northern ireland problems. Try to tab folks who are well dressed, who read adult newspapers. They will be the ones with an opinion, here.
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