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|Nov-26-15|| ||Jim Bartle: The New Jersey Attorney General at the time said there were no large celebrations of 9/11 in Jersey City, Paterson, or any other northern NJ city.|
It would have been huge news, but no video exists. There were no newspaper reports.
Here is what the Star-Ledger, the major northern NJ paper published in the week following 9/11:
|Nov-26-15|| ||chancho: <Jim: That CNN report is from 2009.>|
I never said otherwise.
Only to check what they are saying in the video.
|Nov-26-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Yes, I know. The headline is a bit deceiving.
Most I can find is this from Washington Post a few days after the attack:
<In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners' plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.>
A few, on rooftops. Not anything like what Trump described.
|Nov-26-15|| ||chancho: <<<<<<<<ISTANBUL/MOSCOW, Nov 26 (Reuters) - Russia threatened economic retaliation against Turkey on Thursday and said it was still awaiting a reasonable explanation for the shooting down of its warplane, but Turkey dismissed the threats as "emotional" and "unfitting.">|
In an escalating war of words, President Tayyip Erdogan responded to Russian accusations that Turkey has been buying oil and gas from Islamic State in Syria by accusing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his backers, which include Moscow, of being the real source of the group's financial and military power.>
The shooting down of the jet by the Turkish air force on Tuesday was one of the most serious clashes between a NATO member and Russia, and further complicated international efforts to battle Islamic State militants.>
World leaders have urged both sides to avoid escalation.>
|Nov-26-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Jim Bartle: <devere> Video, what Trump says he saw. Contemporary news reports. Come back when you find some.|
It's a lie.>
I lived in Albany, NY from Feb. 2001 until March of 2007. One of my friends, who happens to be a Republican, told me that Muslims were seen dancing in the streets across the river from the WTC, in NJ where Trump said it happened.
The problem is, this friend of mine is only of average intelligence. He smokes a lot of weed and doesn't understand a lot of stuff very well. So the reliability of anything he tells me is questionable, in my mind.
He also uses questionable sources, such as Michael Crichton for his Global Warming opinions (yes, the deceased sci fi author!)
But he is an honest and decent person and doesn't make up lies, so he did see it in some sort of contemporary news report. Was it local TV news? The newspaper? An internet source? Something like Breitbart? I don't remember his source. But he didn't make it up, he got it from somewhere.
|Nov-26-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <One of my friends, who happens to be a Republican, told me that Muslims were seen dancing in the streets across the river from the WTC,>|
Maybe it was rooftops - I don't recall exactly.
|Nov-26-15|| ||Domdaniel: <Big Pawn> - < She's the second most unqualified candidate in US history, after Barack Obama. >
Do you hate women, or do you just think they're inferior to bepenised humans?|
Four years as Secretary of State, plus a term in the senate, plus residence in the White House ... that seems a lot more than some of those 19th century nobodies like Harrison and Polk?
|Nov-26-15|| ||morfishine: Do the math when you are discussing the financial catastrophe the US is facing. When GW took office, the deficit was at 5 trillion dollars US. To put this into perspective, it took the US 224 years to accumulate 5 trillion dollars of debt. GW then managed to increase this to 9 trillion dollars US in only 8 years, or at a rate of 500 billion dollars per year (for 8 straight years). While that is a financial disaster, what is far worse is what Obama accomplished.|
Obama doubled the deficit in FOUR YEARS or half the time GW required to do his damage. This is a financial catastrophe and I'll restate it since some people are slow to grasp things. GW doubled the deficit in 8 years; Obama then doubled that deficit in only 4 years.
15% of the US Gross monthly receipts serve no other purpose than to pay off debt to the criminally run International Financial system masquerading behind such entities as the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, BIS, to name a few. These organizations are nothing more than Global Loan Sharking outfits. Individual governments supply the counterfeiting component.
By the time I finished this, the price of my beer went up 5%
Think about that
|Nov-26-15|| ||devere: "The Liberal-Islamist Alliance"
An old article, but regrettably still quite relevant.
<The Liberal-Islamist alliance is the death sentence of the free world, an alliance between a fifth column and the barbarians at the gate.>
|Nov-26-15|| ||Domdaniel: <morf> - <By the time I finished this, the price of my beer went up 5%>|
So drink 5% less beer -- it's only one pint in twenty. So, um, one per day, right?
|Nov-26-15|| ||Colonel Mortimer: Many Americans celebrated Shock & Awe, as US forces pulverised a peoples who had done nothing to them.|
It was all over the news, celebrating and circle jerking over the awesomeness of American power and fury.
..against the defenceless Iraqi people.
|Nov-26-15|| ||Jim Bartle: And a lot of people didn't.|
|Nov-26-15|| ||perfidious: <Dom: <Big Pawn> - < She's the second most unqualified candidate in US history, after Barack Obama. > Do you hate women....?>|
That poster is unbelievably offensive at every turn; no-one, save his very few acolytes, escapes being degraded, belittled or reviled. In another epoch, he would have been the standard-bearer for William Randolph Hearst's yellow journalism and its innumerable excesses in the name of selling news.
|Nov-26-15|| ||Domdaniel: <perf> - < In another epoch, he would have been the standard-bearer for William Randolph Hearst's yellow journalism>
Oh, I don't know. In my experience, even yellow journalists are fairly bright.|
|Nov-26-15|| ||Marmot PFL: Reduced deficit every year since 2009-
|Nov-26-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <George W. Bush: Added $5.849 trillion, a 101% increase to the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton's last budget, FY 2001.>|
<Barack Obama: Added $6.167 trillion, a 53% increase to the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush at the end of his last budget, FY 2009.>
So Bush increased the debt by 100% in eight years, and Obama had raised it 53% in six years.
<morphishine>'s claim of Obama doubling the debt (I assume he meant the debt, not the deficit) in four years is clearly false.
|Nov-26-15|| ||al wazir: <morfishine: Do the math when you are discussing the financial catastrophe the US is facing.> Could you be a little more explicit? What catastrophe? Are you referring to the subprime mortgage crisis and the "great recession" of 2007--2008? |
<This is a financial catastrophe and I'll restate it since some people are slow to grasp things.> Again, why is this a catastrophe? How many people died, how many were impoverished? Or are you referring to a *future* catastrophe, one that has not yet occurred but is inevitable? If so, what form will it take and when are you predicting it to happen?
<15% of the US Gross monthly receipts serve no other purpose than to pay off debt to the criminally run International Financial system masquerading behind such entities as the International Monetary Fund, World Bank, BIS, to name a few. These organizations are nothing more than Global Loan Sharking outfits. Individual governments supply the counterfeiting component.> The last time I looked, 70% of the National debt was owed to *Americans*. The biggest foreign creditors are Chinese and Japanese. I still don't understand why this is catastrophic.
<By the time I finished this, the price of my beer went up 5%>. You must type and drink slowly.
|Nov-26-15|| ||northernfox: Re the U S federal public debt, note that Bernanke and Yellen have actually reduced the debt by "monetzing" over $4 trillion of debt with QE 1, QE2 and QE 3-- that is, that debt is not really currently outstanding because it is owned by the Fed, which is owned by the US federal government, the issuer of the debt.|
So unless and until that $4 trillion of debt is recirculated by the Fed into private hands in exchange for money , it has disappeared.
Neat trick, eh?
|Nov-26-15|| ||optimal play: <Jim Bartle: I believe every US President but one held high elective office or was a General before becoming president. The one exception was Herbert Hoover, who excelled in relief efforts during and after WWI and was Secretary of Commerce.> He also ran a gold mining operation in Western Australia.|
|Nov-26-15|| ||chancho: <<<<<<<<Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is under fire after he appeared to ridicule a reporter with a congenital joint condition that limits movement in his arms.>|
At a rally in South Carolina on Tuesday, Trump defended his widely discredited claim that thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheered as the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001.>
He then appeared to impersonate reporter Serge Kovaleski, one of the authors of a 2001 article in The Washington Post that referred to "a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks.">
"Now, the poor guy ó you ought to see the guy: 'Uh, I don't know what I said. I don't remember,'" Trump said, as he contorted his arms in an apparent imitation of Kovaleski, who suffers from arthrogryposis.>
Kovaleski just a day earlier had told MSNBC's Steve Kornacki that he did "not recall anyone saying there were thousands, or even hundreds, of people celebrating.">
Trump on Thursday defended his controversial behavior, claiming he was not familiar with Kovaleski's appearance and not aware of his condition.>
"I have no idea who this reporter, Serge Kovalski (sic) is, what he looks like or his level of intelligence.>
I don't know if he is J.J. Watt or Muhammad Ali in his prime ó or somebody of less athletic or physical ability," Trump said in a statement released to NBC News.>
<"If Mr. Kovaleski is handicapped, I would not know because I do not know what he looks like.">
|Nov-26-15|| ||schweigzwang: <morfishine> Debt, or deficit? Both, but mixed together somehow in one post?|
|Nov-26-15|| ||devere: "Minnesota college students vote against honoring 9/11 victims, saying itís offensive to Muslims"|
I think that 2016 is probably America's last chance to reverse the disastrous course we have been on, if it is not already too late.
|Nov-26-15|| ||al wazir: <northernfox: Neat trick, eh?> It's called "printing money," and it's the traditional -- almost invariable -- way governments eliminate inconveniently big debts.|
|Nov-26-15|| ||al wazir: Candidates for public office usually strive to present attractive, likable personalities. (Think of Reagan.) Trump is different. He must have the most obnoxious personality since Nixon.|
|Nov-26-15|| ||devere: The economy is booming in the State of Washington, except for Seattle restaurant employment:|
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