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|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: I've waiting for more sanctimonious sermoning and rebuke over posting cartoons depicting the plight of Palestinians.|
Don't let double standards intervene folks, your moral outrage isn't selective remember.
|Jul-27-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <tl: You're absolutely right, <PiPi>|
Political satire should be banned forthwith.>
Just a little reminder of the sequence of events: I said nothing about your post, until the braying jackass choir became deafening.
The trend in callousness became obvious and too typical....you would have been ok if the soulless slobs--"#Like# any crudity supporting my political slant"--had contained themselves.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: http://www.davegranlund.com/cartoon...|
Come on <pipi> and <optimal> where's the outrage? I shouldn't be making fun when over 1,000 Palestinians have died and 5,000 more have been injured..
|Jul-27-14|| ||devere: "Palestinian Authority blasts Kerry for 'appeasing' Qatar, Turkey at Ramallah's expense"|
It seems that Israel, Egypt, and the PLO are now allied in a diplomatic struggle against the USA, Turkey, Qatar, and Hamas.
|Jul-27-14|| ||optimal play: <Colonel Mortimer: <optimal play: So has anyone posted an hilariously satirical cartoon about it yet?> Does this offend you too.. https://peaceandconflictpolitics.fi... |
Thank you for posting that cartoon, Colonel. You've made my point perfectly.
First and foremost, that particular cartoon does not elicit laughter.
It’s not meant to!
It is a stark, brilliant, insightful comment on what is currently happening in the Israeli-Gaza conflict.
That's intelligent satire!
What <twinlark> posted was a shameful and pathetic attempt to be funny at the expense of the passengers on board that plane (despite his denials) many of whose bodies btw are still lying in that field, and in any case did not make any sense by trying to compare the Bush gang with President Obama.
Do you see where I'm coming from?
I've always appreciated clever satire.
The cartoon you posted was just that!
<twinlark>'s was definitely not!
|Jul-27-14|| ||twinlark: <PiPi> <What better way to ensure the world will condemn your enemies properly, before you commit some perfectly heinous act yourself, than to tell everybody of THEIR secret plan!>|
Or on the other hand, publicise the plans for a false flag as widely as possible to reduce the likelihood of it happening:
In particular, this concerns the residents of Pavlograd, in the Dnepropetrovsk region! Please read this message and pass it on to everyone!
A terrifying provocation is being prepared in the city of Pavlograd, in the Dnepropetrovsk region. This magnitude of this provocation in terms of casualties will many times over exceed the number of victims of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing!
Kolomoiskiy and the Kiev Junta have prepared groups of Russian-speaking militants who, under the guise of militiamen, will organize a “night of long knives” in Pavlograd. Hundreds of peaceful civilians will die! This will be staged as “payback” for those who died in the Lugansk and the Donetsk Republics.
False witnesses, who will confirm this, have already been prepared. It may happen as soon as this night! The Nazis should not be permitted to kill with impunity!
Please repost this message to all your acquaintances and love ones, call them! The more people know about this, the lower the likelihood that it will happen!
Our lack of indifference must stop the immoral monsters that have concocted this terrifying provocation! Do not take sin upon yourself, have pity on the people that may be murdered!>
- directly underneath the previous notice on the vineyardsaker blogspot.
|Jul-27-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <Colonel Mortimer> If you had been waiting at Einhoven airport for the body of one of your loved ones, would you have posted the flakey Colin Powell mockery to Chessgames while you waited?|
If so, your life outlook is further degenerated than I had supposed.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <optimal play:> I guess it depends on what you find offensive, not on the qualitative merits of the satire at hand.|
The fact that a no. of Australians died in the MH17 tragedy might have coloured your objectivity on the matter..
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <PinnedPiece: <Colonel Mortimer> If you had been waiting at Einhoven airport for the body of one of your loved ones, would you have posted the flakey Colin Powell mockery to Chessgames while you waited?
If so, your life outlook is further degenerated than I had supposed.>
If you were familiar with the Palestinians and had visited Palestine, would you still be calling them barbarians?
|Jul-27-14|| ||optimal play: <Colonel Mortimer> I just saw your 2nd & 3rd cartoons ... kinda lame ... not very clever, and certainly without the power of the 1st!|
<I guess it depends on what you find offensive, not on the qualitative merits of the satire at hand.> Yes, I admitted that at the start when I said it was just my own subjective opinion, but since others were giving theirs...
<The fact that a no. of Australians died in the MH17 tragedy might have coloured your objectivity on the matter..> Yes, undoubtedly, although <twinlark>'s also an Aussie.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Optimal> <Yes, undoubtedly, although <twinlark>'s also an Aussie.>|
|Jul-27-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <Colonel Mortimer: The fact that a no. of Australians died in the MH17 tragedy might have coloured your objectivity on the matter..>|
lol. For real.
<Colonel Mortimer> appears to have zero sensitivity to any tragedies save those committed by the despicable Jews.
Case closed. I quit this discussion.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <pipi> <Case closed. I quit this discussion.>|
Promise this time?
|Jul-27-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <CM: Promise?>
Well, one more devastating point:
Israel loosened restrictions on Gaza in 2013, after we had a discussion about this point in 2012:
<Me: The Israeli Government clampdown on Gaza and the West Bank, preventing import of dangerous weapons such as rockets, has all but put a stop to devastating attacks on civilians in Israel. >
We discussed what would happen if Israel loosened restrictions. Under pressure, they did:
<JERUSALEM – In a major concession to Gaza’s Hamas leaders Monday, Israel dropped its five-year ban on construction materials crossing into the territory and raised hopes there that rebuilding could begin following a damaging eight-day Israeli air campaign.
The easing of restrictions is an outgrowth of the cease-fire that ended the airstrikes and months of daily rocket fire from Gaza at Israel. Contacts mediated by Egypt to follow up the truce produced the concession, and Israel promised to keep easing the lives of Gaza’s 1.6 million residents, as long as Israelis were no longer targeted by rocket fire by Gaza militants. >
So what happened was WHAT I PREDICTED.
Rockets imported. Cement for tunnels.
New attack plans.
In retrospect, you lost that 2012 argument--badly. Go review what we said, follow my link, or find the September 28, 2012 discussions.
Arguing with you really consists of just waiting for events to prove how wrong you always are.
|Jul-27-14|| ||PinnedPiece: The link to the concession article: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...|
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: Whenever the argument gets too hot to handle, <pipi> announces with much pomp and fanfare that he quits while leaving us with the mother of all Parthian shots.|
He then returns to the discussion when he things he can crack off a well-timed sniper round.
Straight out of the <OhioChessFan> handbook on devious debating tactics, chapter headers "Deploying the escape capsule" and "Sniping from an ambushed position".
|Jul-27-14|| ||twinlark: I'm angry that Australians were killed.
I'm angry that Dutch people were killed.
I'm angry that all those people were killed.
I'm thoroughly angry at yet another illegal Western-backed coup that precipitated this whole mess.
I'm beyond thoroughly pissed off and disillusioned that the Aussie electorate voted for a political thug like Abbott who so slavishly supports every Western atrocity, including being the first arse-licking lackey to jump on the US bandwagon in ascertaining blame before the bodies had cooled.
I'm angry that the US administration engages in pure propaganda to blame the Russians and use it as an excuse to further their geopolitical objectives rather than doing the right and rational thing of waiting for a full investigation to uncover the facts.
I'm angry at the rampant racism and mood for war, possibly an apocalyptic war, that the handling of this incident has generated.
I'm angry that the immediate aftermath of the passenger liner being downed was used as a cover by the Ukrainian regime to launch a heavy air, artillery and tank offensive against civilian population centres in the east.
I'm pissed off that someone who should know better can think that a satirical cartoon taking off a psychopathic administration is <a shameful and pathetic attempt to be funny at the expense of the passengers on board that plane>. A satirical cartoon at least gives the likes of myself the possibility at laughing at the psychopathic morons that constantly lie through their teeth to justify their complete and thorough bastardy.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <pipi> <In retrospect, you lost that 2012 argument--badly. Go review what we said, follow my link, or find the September 28, 2012 discussions.>|
Nothing of material importance has changed since Israel ramped up the siege and blockade of Gaza in 2007.
To pretend otherwise is to give in to Israeli hasbara and ignore the realities on the ground.
In 1967, Israel claimed that their pre-emptive attack was justified due to the Egyptian blockage of the Israeli port of Eilat. They claimed that blockade was an act of war.
Israel doesn't recognise such circumstances when applied to Gaza.
Double standards, again.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <twinlark:> Well articulated.|
|Jul-27-14|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<Gospel> MT 13:44-52>
Jesus said to his disciples:
“The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure buried in a field, which a person finds and hides again,
and out of joy goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.> Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant
searching for fine pearls.>
When he finds a pearl of great price,
he goes and sells all that he has and buys it.> Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net thrown into the sea, which collects fish of every kind.>
When it is full they haul it ashore
and sit down to put what is good into buckets.> What is bad they throw away.>
Thus it will be at the end of the age.>
The angels will go out and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace,
where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.>
“Do you understand all these things?”
They answered, “Yes.”>
And he replied,
“Then every scribe who has been instructed in the kingdom of heaven is like the head of a household
who brings from his storeroom both the new and the old.”>
|Jul-27-14|| ||al wazir: <twinlark>: What is one to make of Comrade Guryanov's address? (The use of the term "comrades" is suggestive, not of collegiality or of communism, but of the Soviet regime.) It is undated. Could it refer to the downing of Flight MH17? No; by googling I found that the address occurred yesterday (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/co...).|
But Guryanov doesn't tell us what this false flag incident will consist of. How will we recognize it? Will it be the next atrocity that occurs -- for example, the next airliner shot down -- or some other atrocity?
From his phrasing and from the position he claims to occupy with the Resistance Forces, I find hints that Guryanov is not the most impartial of observers. Is this a communication to be completely trusted, much less acted on? Could it be mere propaganda? An even more cynical question comes to mind: Could Guryanov be saying that he knows an atrocity is going to take place *because his side is going to perpetrate it*?
And I note that the Kiev authorities have been demoted. They are no longer "Neo-Nazis," but are now merely Nazis. But maybe that is actually a step up, like from neoliberal to liberal.
|Jul-27-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <The Palestinian Authority is being criticised for not doing more to protect people in the Occupied West Bank. As Kim Vinnell reports from Ramallah, support for Hamas is growing.>|
Abbas, President of the Palestinian Bantustan Authority isn't doing enough for the political freedom of the Palestinians.
What is needed is a hard line approach by the Palestinians. The Peace talks have worked as designed and have gone nowhere, while Israel continues to build settlements in Occupied Palestine.
Take the Israelis to the International Court of Justice, regardless of whether the unscrupulous Uncle Sam vetoes any resolution to hold Israel to account. And continue to resist the Israeli occupation.
|Jul-27-14|| ||optimal play: <twinlark> ok, I withdraw that comment about <a shameful and pathetic attempt to be funny at the expense of the passengers on board that plane>.|
I've said enough about this matter anyway, so I won't comment any further.
No hard feelings on my part.
|Jul-27-14|| ||al wazir: <twinlark>: I condole you on your leadership. Abbott is an antipodean counterpart of George W. Bush. You call him a thug. I guess that shortening "Abbott" to "Abo" would be in poor taste, so I won't do it, but I bet others will.|
|Jul-28-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Abbott is an antipodean counterpart of George W. Bush.>|
No wonder <pipi> has been quoting him - any fraud in a storm..as they say.
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