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|Mar-09-14|| ||perfidious: <Shams ....it's disappointing that (devere) doesn't seem to respond to questions. I've now put several queries to him (fair and unloaded I might add) and I can't think of a single one he's acknowledged. Not that he owes me anything, of course, but I don't think he answers other people's questions either.>|
This has generally been the case.
|Mar-09-14|| ||Softpaw: <Softpaw: devere: <The last pre-crisis poll I read of in Crimea showed only 41% in favor of independence. >|
What poll was that? Link please.>
<Softpaw: devere: <[Putin] blew up the apartment buildings full of Russians and blamed it on the Chechens>
Evidence, please. >
|Mar-09-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <valiant: Norway: "The military expenditure of US$7.2 billion is the highest per capita in Europé (2014).">|
Ok, somewhat respectable, since Europe as a whole can no longer afford to defend itself..... btw is England no longer part of Europe?
<Colonel Mortimer: ^^Another <pipi> fail>
I may have 1 out of 10 fail. But compare your 5 out of 6 fail. Who's winning here?
|Mar-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Mort will be the first one to get on his knees and beg the USA for help if a militarized China ever invades New Zealand. I'm sure no one ever thought Japan, a small nation, could accomplish what it did in the years 1934-1943, before it was destroyed by the United States. In 1941 I'm sure no one ever thought Stalin's red army would somehow recover to the point where it would chase away the Germans and then occupy eastern Europe for fifty years. |
Stuff happens. When it does we help the crybabies, like the one in New Zealand, the little doggie always nipping at the calves of the pony.
|Mar-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: Primitive arab countries are scared of a Hollywood movie. |
But they can certainly be trusted with the technology to build nuclear weapons...
|Mar-09-14|| ||Shams: <HeMateMe> <Mort will be the first one to get on his knees and beg the USA for help if a militarized China ever invades New Zealand.>|
Yes, any day now I'm sure China is going to move on New Zealand. Might be time to give the Avalon Hill games a break, Napoleon.
|Mar-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: <I'm sure no one ever thought Japan, a small nation, could accomplish what it did in the years 1934-1943, before it was destroyed by the United States>|
|Mar-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: You can stick your head in the sand and trust everyone, or you can prepare for the worst.|
I'm glad you're not President, Shams.
|Mar-09-14|| ||Shams: So my alternatives are:
<1.> Prepare for the Chinese invasion of New Zealand, or
<2.> Stick my head in the sand.
Whatever shall I do.
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <HeMateMe:> You're not right in the head - go and be an idiot in another village.|
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <pipi> <I may have 1 out of 10 fail. But compare your 5 out of 6 fail. Who's winning here?>|
Whoever makes up the numbers.
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: Just like a game of "Civilisation", <pipi> - who wins there? The one who plays in <cheat mode>.|
|Mar-09-14|| ||devere: <Check It Out: You are surely aware that the occupation of Palestinian lands by Israel is a breech of the fourth Geneva Convention, of which Israel is a signatory. You must also be aware that UN resolutions to remedy this are consistently vetoed by the USA.>|
I am aware that Israel has almost no political support in the world.
The 1949 Geneva convention does forbid the forcible resettlement of civilian populations, and the only violation of that by Israel I am aware of is when they forced their own people to leave Gaza. I don't suppose you are complaining about that, are you?
I am also aware that no nation named Palestine with recognized boundaries has ever existed, so there are no clearly demarcated "Palestinian territories" to consider occupied. In 1949, at Jordanian insistence, the cease fire agreement between Israel and Jordan contained a provision stating that either party was allowed to make future territorial claims against the other. Many, perhaps most, of the so-called Palestinians claim that all of Israel belongs to them, and there are also Israelis that now make similar claims about territory now occupied by Arabs calling themselves Palestinians. Israel now has agreed upon boundaries with Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon, but still has disputes with Syria and the Arabs calling themselves Palestinians. If they are ever able to make a territorial agreement with those parties, I am confident that the Israelis will keep it. But honestly I am pessimistic about the likelihood of any agreement, and think that nuclear war in that part of the world is now the most likely outcome. I hope that I am mistaken.
|Mar-09-14|| ||twinlark: Although I no longer stop and discuss politics at this page, I still occasionally follow the discussions.|
So when I Searched for the word "sniper", I found that there was no discussion here about the revelation from the leaked telephone conversation between the Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton that the snipers in Kiev had <not been placed by the former regime>, but by powerful elements in the <current> regime when it was participating/infiltrating(?) the protests in Kiev.
The killings were of course a major justification for the US and the EU recognising the new regime.
It didn't however explain why no one here has raised the subject that is so pivotal in contemporary politics and, I'm absolutely certain, in world history.
Is this the reason?
<U.S. Media Non-Coverage of the Urmas Paet – Catherine Ashton Sniper Revelation
By David Peterson
I just ran a search of the NewsBank database for what the database purports to be 3,253 U.S.-based media sources for the period March 3 – 7, 2014.
My search parameters were: sniper* and (Ashton or Paet or Estonia*).
Obviously, I’m interested in learning which U.S.-based media (non-blogs) have mentioned the story that came out on March 5 about a YouTube audio of the leaked recorded phone conversation between EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and the Estonia minister of foreign affairs Urmas Paet in which Paet told Ashton: “There is now a stronger and stronger understanding (in Kiev) that behind the snipers, it was not [ousted president Viktor] Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition.” 
For the results of this NewsBank search, see the Appendix, below.
NewsBank was able to find a total of <eight> items in the U.S.-based media that mentioned this revelation. A stunning example not only of non-coverage of an important revelation (the truth of which requires verification, of course). But of suppression of an important revelation, plain and simple.
Did no one here really know about this leaked conversation and its potential significance?
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <devere:> You're not aware of anything, not even your own ignorance.|
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <devere> Educate yourself..|
|Mar-09-14|| ||Softpaw: Twinlark: <Did no one here really know about this leaked conversation and its potential significance?>|
I've read quite a few reports on it. The leaked conversation, which has been confirmed as accurate, is not conclusive. Unfortunately, we can't expect the current regime in Kiev to undertake an impartial investigation.
"Estonian Foreign Ministry confirms authenticity of leaked call on Kiev snipers"
"Russia, Ukraine Feud Over Sniper Carnage"
|Mar-09-14|| ||devere: <PinnedPiece> Water water everwhere ...|
|Mar-09-14|| ||twinlark: <Softpaw>
But I was fascinated that the catalyst to such a pivotal event in world history has not been a topic of discussion here.
|Mar-09-14|| ||RedShield: <devere: <RedShield: Now to return to the issue of Israel, I would like to know whether i)you agree that Israel is constituted as a Jewish state, ii)if so, you agree with that constitution, iii)if so, you believe the state should pursue policies that promote and maintain its majority Jewish population?>|
Israel is constituted to be a Jewish majority state in which non-Jewish citizens suffer no legal discrimination. So far Israel has managed to maintain that model; whether they will succeed in the future is an open question. I have read that Sharon's painful withdrawal from Gaza was based on demographic considerations; the desire to maintain in perpetuity a Jewish majority in Israel, and without discrimination against non-Jewish citizens. Yes it is important that Jews have at least one place in the world that they are welcome to live in. History has proven it certainly isn't in Europe.>
So it appears that your answer to all my questions is yes. So even if one accepts your dubious assertion that non-Jewish citizens are not subject to legal discrimination, they are subject to existential discrimination.
<My own pet solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is to make Jordan's Abdullah constitutional monarch over the entire original Palestine mandate, and turn Israel into a Jewish version of Canada or New Zealand.>
I presume by this you mean that it should have a selective immigration policy that discriminates in favour of the well-off and the highly skilled, but this assumes that Israel would be a popular destination for well-heeled Jews. Seeing that only about a couple of thousand American Jews emigrate to Israel each year, and that the number of Israelis leaving the country each year for w̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ Western countries exceeds those arriving, you may need to think about another policy, such as building a wall to keep the populace in.
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Undeniable discrimination in the amount of water allocated to Israelis and Palestinians>|
|Mar-09-14|| ||RedShield: <<Softpaw: devere: <[Putin] blew up the apartment buildings full of Russians and blamed it on the Chechens>|
Evidence, please. >
Best not ask. Look at what happened to Litvinenko.
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <George Orwell and Israel's 'democratic' occupation of the West Bank>|
<Two Manhattan rabbis challenge AIPAC's linguistic fraud and culture of euphemism.>
|Mar-09-14|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>gn 2:7-9; 3:1-7> The LORD God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life,
and so man became a living being.>
Then the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and placed there the man whom he had formed.> Out of the ground the LORD God made various trees grow that were delightful to look at and good for food,
with the tree of life in the middle of the garden
and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.>
Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made.>
The serpent asked the woman,
“Did God really tell you not to eat
from any of the trees in the garden?”>
The woman answered the serpent:
“We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; it is only about the fruit of the tree
in the middle of the garden that God said,
‘You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.’”> But the serpent said to the woman:
“You certainly will not die!>
No, God knows well that the moment you eat of it
your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods
who know what is good and what is evil.”>
The woman saw that the tree was good for food,
pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom.> So she took some of its fruit and ate it;
and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.>
Then the eyes of both of them were opened,
and they realized that they were naked;
so they sewed fig leaves together
and made loincloths for themselves.>
|Mar-09-14|| ||Colonel Mortimer: *Aussie TV dares to show the real occupation*
11 FEBRUARY 2014
<I never thought I would see it. A mainstream TV programme, this one made by Australian channel ABC, that shows the occupation in all its inhuman horror.
The 45-minute investigative film concerns the Israeli army’s mistreatment of Palestinian children. Along the way, it provides absolutely devastating evidence that the children’s abuse is not some unfortunate byproduct of the occupation but the cornerstone of Israel’s system of control and its related need to destroy the fabric of Palestinian society.
Omar Barghouti has spoken of Israelis’ view of Palestinians as only “relatively human”. Here that profound racism is on full show.
There are, of course, concessions to “balance” – in the hope of minimising the backlash from Israel – but they do nothing to dilute the power of the message.
This is brave film-making of the highest order.
It is an indication of quite how exceptional this film is that it has cornered Australia’s foreign minister, Julie Bishop, into expressing her “deep concern“. That’s the same Bishop who last month doubted that the settlements in the West Bank were illegal.
Jonathan Cook is an award-winning British journalist based in Nazareth, Israel, since 2001.>
- See more at: http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2...
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