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|Apr-19-14|| ||Shams: The Cameron Todd Willingham case already looked thin. Now it's stinking to high heaven. |
I'll resist an easy crack about "Texas Justice"-- this same crap happens in every state. Prosecutors know jailhouse snitches lie all the time, but they don't care. And the judicial system lets them cut deals with these rats and then lie to the jury about it.
|Apr-19-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <shams: I'll resist an easy crack about "Texas Justice"->|
I'll resist an easy crack about the Innocence Project, whose paid "investigators" found that the original arson investigation "was flawed" because it found burn pattern evidence of accelerants on the floor, yet the arson investigators <FAILED TO FIND ACCELERANTS in the house!> That was the level of their "debunking" the arson investigation.
Yes, and it was the Innocence Project "lawyers" who "found" an unsigned, undated note on some random folder that proves Texas officers of the law were not honest: < he saw a note scrawled on the inside of the district attorney’s file folder stating that Mr. Webb’s charges were to be listed as robbery in the second degree, not the heavier first-degree robbery charge he had originally been convicted on, “based on coop in Willingham.”> Webb supposedly got a lesser charge for ratting on Willingham. But up til this "discovery" everyone involved denied it.*
Yet, the Innocence Project has as it sole mission, to find proof that an innocent individual has been executed, and they are--by the looks of it--far more committed to finding such evidence, than any Texas Prosecutor would be to send an innocent man to the death chamber.
So if you have to suspect that <someone> is playing with the evidence, why wouldn't the fanatical, paid Innocence Project "experts" and lawyers be as potentially culpable as anyone involved? (How difficult is it to write out in broken Texan handwriting, a word or two misspelled, perhpas; just the note you always suspected was hidden in the files?)
The stink just may be emanating from the Innocence Project people. It seems a stretch to put all your confidence in them, anyway.
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* Nowhere does the NY Times writer indicate that he tried to ascertain from Webb himself whether or not a deal was struck.
|Apr-19-14|| ||Shams: <PinnedPiece> Jailhouse snitching in return for prosecutorial deals is a total disgrace and it happens all the time. Why don't you learn something about it instead of shooting your mouth off once again? Haven't you demonstrated your ignorance enough for one week? |
The notion that the Innocence Project staff are in it for the money is absurd. You really can be surpassingly stupid sometimes.
|Apr-19-14|| ||cormier: nite nite gs ... thx G|
|Apr-19-14|| ||Shams: <PinnedPiece> <I'll resist an easy crack about the Innocence Project.>|
Oh will you? So I just hallucinated the other paragraphs of your post?
My point, lost on no-one but yourself, was that what allegedly happened in Texas is in no way unique to Texas. But the mere mention of your state was apparently enough to drive you to throw a lone star-sized tantrum.
|Apr-19-14|| ||devere: "Mann vs. Steyn: The Trial of the Century"
|Apr-19-14|| ||perfidious: Glad to see <goldenbear> has returned to post on occasion, though not yet to this page.|
|Apr-19-14|| ||HeMateMe: has Abdullah aruda ever admitted being wrong? Even once?|
|Apr-19-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <shams: The notion that the Innocence Project staff are in it for the money is absurd. >|
I didn't mean to imply that the core figures of Innocence Project are in it for the money. However the experts they ask to testify certainly could be.
In most other cases, you yourself would be skeptical of the conclusions drawn up by fanatics, which the Innocence Project certainly is composed of. Have you ever had any contact with them? They are more clearly fanatics, than the Fire Marshalls who investigated the murders of the kids are clearly incompetent.
The Innocence Project have targeted this one case as providing their best chance to prove Antonin Scalia wrong when he said no provable case exists of an innocent person going to his death.
They may be right, but as I say, there is reason to suspect them as well. Since their motives line up with AmLibs view of the civilized world, I would expect any AmLib to trust them implicitly.
I'm just saying that could be a mistake. You are putting your faith in the people who found a scrawled, unsigned, undated note in a wierd place, as PROOF THAT THE GUILTY was not guilty. Those people who have an awful lot riding on proving their point, however they can.
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As a side note, one wonders how AmLibs would think they could ever get information from a terrorist who might know something critical to the safety of the target populace. The thinking is that they don't tell the truth when under duress, and now, according to the Innocence Project, prisoners don't tell the truth when they are simply asked for it.
|Apr-19-14|| ||PinnedPiece: <shams: Haven't you demonstrated your ignorance enough for one week?>|
????? As in, any argument with you is an indication of my ignorance?
You seem to have just dissed the entire nation's prosecutorial staff as being gullible idiots, accepting any old thing any old jailhouse snitch wants to say to get a lighter term. This is not ignorance of an even brasher type?
If you want to prove your point rather than just claim you are educating me and I won't have it cause I'm ignorant, why don't you post a link like this one instead?
|Apr-19-14|| ||FSR: <Abdel Irada: <PiPi: If there is someone who's contributions on this forum are 85% fact-free, and 90% logic-free, it's <perfidious>.>|
This might be more convincing coming from another source: say one that isn't known for being nearly 100% free of both facts and logic.>
Maybe he meant it as a compliment - <PiPi> was saying that his own comments couldn't meet so rigorous a standard?
|Apr-19-14|| ||FSR: <Shams: <PinnedPiece> Jailhouse snitching in return for prosecutorial deals is a total disgrace and it happens all the time.>|
Agreed. There have been prisoners in Illinois who've requested to be put in solitary confinement because they were sure that otherwise they'd be put in with jailhouse snitches (who are <amazingly> successful at receiving confessions from their cellmates) otherwise.
|Apr-19-14|| ||Abdel Irada: I repeat my question: Is there anyone here save his ideological allies (chiefly <diceman> and <OCF>) who feels that it is any longer necessary to *prove* that <PiPi> often posts links to articles that, at best, fail to support his arguments or, in many instances, actually undermine them?|
If so, I will undertake the work of sifting through <PiPi> posts past and present to show that my assertion to this effect is firmly supported by much evidence.
If not, however, I would honestly prefer not to re-read heaps of hype that I winced to read the first time.
|Apr-20-14|| ||Tiggler: <If so, I will undertake the work of sifting through <PiPi> posts past and present to show that my assertion to this effect is firmly supported by much evidence.>|
Please do. A harmless occupation that might keep you busy for a while. Since you are afflicted by whateveryoucallit.
|Apr-20-14|| ||devere: Insured by Obamacare, but no doctor will see them.
|Apr-20-14|| ||HeMateMe: Some doctors are now coming over from other parts of the world to attend medical school or start at the intern level, and granted citizenship if they agree to work in an underserved area for several years. Medicine will treat the ill. Have faith. |
The MDs who are only in it for the money can get certified in plastic surgery, make bigger tits for girls, along with smaller noses. When they run out of rich women who want bigger tits and a smaller nose they can find some other line of work.
|Apr-20-14|| ||perfidious: roflmao|
|Apr-20-14|| ||kellmano: <Shams: <kellmano> I don't disagree, but can you name a better alternative?>|
Simply recognise that all authority is merely power and live co-operatively with fellow humans. No need for any government at all. Ok, this is not going to happen overnight, or at all in fact, but perhaps it would be possible to find an island and live in this way. Of course, you'd have to hope it didn't turn in to the Wicker Man. Anyone who suggested a festival involving a giant figure being burned would have to be expelled.
In the time being, I'd like support for democracy to be less dogmatic. No-one who thinks about it can seriously believe that just because most people feel a certain way that is total justification for its actualisation, and yet that is exactly the way lots of people talk (all politicians in fact). They all go around saying vox populous vox dei, acting as if they are the conduit for a rational decision making body. That's why it's quite so funny when the mask slips, like when Gordon Brown called that woman a bigot (seriously worth a youtube if you've never seen it, including the moment he realises he is busted).
Does my head in. Q. But why do I have to wear this star? A. The government has been democratically elected. It is the will of the people.
|Apr-20-14|| ||pawn to QB4: <Is there anyone here save his ideological allies (chiefly <diceman> and <OCF>) who feels that it is any longer necessary to *prove* that <PiPi> often posts links to articles that, at best, fail to support his arguments or, in many instances, actually undermine them?> |
OK, I'll go down with that ship. I thought this was an informative and shocking article (http://www.crimelibrary.com/blog/ar...) and thanks to PiPi for the link. Some of the same sort of horror has happened over here, but it makes me see why some law abiding Brits cite the US legal system as something that scares them off visiting the place. In the context of his argument, I take it PiPi is telling Shams he could have made a more effective move against PiPi's position? which would be the link used to support his point.
|Apr-20-14|| ||kellmano: Morning <pawn to QB4>. I see we have both followed up a late evening on Rogoff with a morning here :-)|
In response to your point about whether the media could demonise a group such as chess players, I think that could indeed happen:
|Apr-20-14|| ||pawn to QB4: Hi kellmano - I suppose so. There was also poor old Wallace, nearly hanged for a murder he didn't commit, because of his cunning chess player's mind. Even though others thought him a patzer.|
|Apr-20-14|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<col 3:1-4> Brothers and sisters:
If then you were raised with Christ, seek what is above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.> Think of what is above, not of what is on earth.> For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.> When Christ your life appears,
then you too will appear with him in glory.>
1 cor 5:6b-8>
Brothers and sisters:
Do you not know that a little yeast leavens all the dough?> Clear out the old yeast,
so that you may become a fresh batch of dough,
inasmuch as you are unleavened.>
For our paschal lamb, Christ, has been sacrificed.> Therefore, let us celebrate the feast,
not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.>
|Apr-20-14|| ||kellmano: Speaking of Scottish Independence ......
I think it will be very close. As I've said before, I hope they do it. Quite interesting that a 50.1 - 49.9 decision could result in leaving the UK though. I do have a slight feeling that such a significant change really ought to have resounding support from the population. Will native Scots have the option to remain British citizens and keep the British passport? If not I do feel a little sorry for them if they want to be part of the Union and get edged in a referendum.
|Apr-20-14|| ||kellmano: Doesn't seem to sit too well with the outrage at Crimea leaving Ukraine with a 96% yes vote. I know that opponents boycotted the ballot, but only because they knew they were vastly outnumbered.|
|Apr-20-14|| ||perfidious: <pipi: If there is someone who's contributions on this forum are 85% fact-free, and 90% logic-free, it's <perfidious>.>|
<unagi: Another of your insulting rants, zero facts, and you wonder why I think you come off as stupid. I sometimes wonder if there's some idiot savant issues going on here, where chess is the only place you have a modicum of intelligence.>
Such posters are comical in their vain attempts at stigmatising me as stupid and might be worth more than a moment's notice if they originated from people whom I actually respect.
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