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|Jan-18-12|| ||Petrosianic: Exactly. Even if Roe were overturned, it wouldn't outlaw abortion, only throw it back to the states, most of whom... no, <all> of whom would allow abortion in some form.|
The only way for the Feds to outlaw abortion, would be, as you say, through a constitutional amendment. They could throw one out to the states if they wanted to, but no amendment which outlawed all abortion would pass.
That said, superceding Roe with an amendment probably is the way to go, but it would have to be a reasonable amendment that would have enough support to pass. Most people support some restrictions on some abortions (primarily late ones), but very few would support abolishing all of them. Nobody has had the statesmanship to try to push an amendment like that because both sides got votes from the issue in its current form.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Shams: <<all> of whom would allow abortion in some form.>|
There's a couple I wonder about. You don't think Oklahoma would try to take it to the wall?
|Jan-18-12|| ||Petrosianic: I'm talking out my hat here, I don't really know that much about Oklahoma politics. I'm sure some people would try to outlaw all abortion in Oklahoma, and every other state. I just don't think they'd succeed. There's just no public will to do that.|
People cite polls that show small majorities being "Pro Life". The problem is that that term has variable meanings. In public debate, it means "opposing all abortion", while Pro-Choice means "supporting all abortion". There is no term to describe people who support some abortions but not others, because the activists on both sides have read 1984 and know that the best way to eliminate an idea is to eliminate any words that might enable that idea to be discussed. (How do you talk about freedom if there's no word for freedom?)
As a result, the large majority that falls into that middle category tends to call themselves by one of the two terms that DO exist (Pro-Life or Pro-Choice). There's no word for their position, so they pick whatever they think is closest. When the average person calls himself Pro-Life, it doesn't necessarily mean the same thing an activist means when he says Pro-Life (completely against all abortion).
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <HeMateMe: <AuN1:> You understand little of our government and society. Your B.S. is just more blind hatred of the USA and western democracies, in general. How shallow.>|
|Jan-18-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Aun1, you really aren't the sharpest blade, are you?|
Concerning Supreme Court Justices, the obvious answer is that sometimes they do not turn out to rule the way the president who nominated them hoped they would. Both Bush II and Obama seemed to have been careful to get what they wanted with their four justices (leaving out that joke Harriet Miers).
But earlier you were talking about the Congress legislating abortion, which it really can't.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: "26 PERCENT OF AMERICANS DON’T KNOW U.S. DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FROM GREAT BRITAIN"|
By my reckoning that's 79,821,703 unsharpened blades
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: In that light Education might be a more urgent political imperative - rather than the non-issue of abortion.|
|Jan-18-12|| ||Shams: <Colonel> Old news, but you didn't pull the interesting quote:|
<The poll comes on the heels of test scores that showed few American students gaining proficiency in U.S. history, a problem presidential candidate Rick Santorum blamed on the "conscious effort" by "the left" to keep Americans uninformed.>
|Jan-18-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Speaking of accusing the left of keeping Americans uninformed, has anybody seen the series of cartoons put out by Mike Huckabee purporting to present an objective portrait of American history? They're blatant right-wing propaganda, and badly done at that.|
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vN...|
I couldn't watch the whole thing - far too excruciating. I've seen more convincing propaganda from 30's Germany.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Shams: Wow, is "Marky" Mark the stupidest person alive?
<In a new interview with Men's Journal, Wahlberg says that <world history would have been different> had he not made a fortuitous decision to fly to Toronto a week early and thus avoid boarding one of the planes out of Boston that crashed into the World Trade Center on September 11th.
"If I was on that plane with my kids, it wouldn’t have went down like it did," he tells the magazine. "There would have been a lot of blood in that first-class cabin and then me saying, 'OK, we’re going to land somewhere safely, don’t worry.'">
He has quickly walked back most of it, but apparently not the idea that he can turn into Superman at will:
<"To suggest I would have done anything differently than the passengers on that plane was irresponsible... I deeply apologize to the families of the victims that my answer came off as insensitive, it was certainly not my intention.">
|Jan-18-12|| ||Shams: Actually the Costa Concordia Captain is another candidate. Now he is saying he "tripped" and fell into the lifeboat. |
Did he also trip and fall into the taxi he is said to have hailed to flee the scene?
|Jan-18-12|| ||galdur: If taxes are bad then what are extreme budget deficits? We´re talking exponential functions here.|
From memory headline federal debt
1981 .9 T
1993 4.2 T
2001 5.8 T
2009 10.6 T
Now 15.3 T
You have a 6% increase in the federal debt since end of July and the debt ceiling hand-wringing. The chronic deficit is now 70% of revenues. Then you have the massive unfunded obligations looking forward. How will it be resolved? All exponential curves crash eventually.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Petrosianic: It will be resolved by a crash of the system. Americans simply don't believe in preventive maintenance. They'd rather hit the wall even when they see the crash coming, and even when they see other people hitting the same wall, then fix the car later, rather than hit the brakes now. "A stitch in time wastes time" is our motto.|
|Jan-18-12|| ||suenteus po 147: <Colonel Mortimer: In that light Education might be a more urgent political imperative - rather than the non-issue of abortion.> Agreed. Education must be an imperative in all nations, regardless of wealth, politics, or development.|
|Jan-18-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <OhioChessFan: I affirm the recession was due to the raised taxes.>|
<Valiant: Got some numbers for that affirmation?>
Fair enough request. What kind of numbers are you looking for? I asked for a pretty straight forward number, a discrete figure. Do you want numbers that show the recession began after the tax increases or imply a causation?
|Jan-18-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <galdur: You have a 6% increase in the federal debt since end of July and the debt ceiling hand-wringing. The chronic deficit is now 70% of revenues. Then you have the massive unfunded obligations looking forward. How will it be resolved?>|
If something is unsustainable, it will stop.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Thanh Phan: <.. It will be resolved by a crash of the system. Americans simply don't believe in preventive maintenance. They'd rather hit the wall even when they see the crash coming ..> |
And what of the votes? Where is the option toward voting None of the above?
When the choices under the current system is to vote for the lesser of two evils in vain hopes of less damage to the nation..
Do you have a better solution, or can think of improvements that the Average American can work toward?
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Petrosianic:> <It will be resolved by a crash of the system>|
|Jan-18-12|| ||al wazir: <Colonel Mortimer: "26 PERCENT OF AMERICANS DON’T KNOW U.S. DECLARED INDEPENDENCE FROM GREAT BRITAIN"> Great Britain is an island, not a country.|
<By my reckoning that's 79,821,703 unsharpened blades> Add one more blade.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <OCF> <If something is unsustainable, it will stop.>|
In respect to the American dollar as an indicator of sustainability, it will do more than stop - the soaring eagle will suddenly transform into a flightless dodo. Stopping will be just the start of an unprecedented economic free fall.
|Jan-18-12|| ||gezafan: The problem is that most Americans are liberals. This includes Democrats as well as most Republicans. |
Liberals question nothing. They believe liberal leaders no matter what. Whatever the liberal leaders say, they believe it. Even if you point this out to them they still won't question their leaders. Instead they'll say it's the conservatives who don't question anything.
There was a phrase "question authority" that was popular in the 1960s. It's ironic that the leftists who kept repeating it, never questioned their own leaders. They believed everything they were told.
The 60s left wing radicals were gullible and sheeplike and still don't question what they were told. These people are now in power. They're incompetent and they still question nothing.
They should be questioning their own authority, because it's obvious that the 60s generation of leftists has been a disaster to the world. They've made the world a much worse place.
|Jan-18-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <Than: And what of the votes? Where is the option toward voting None of the above? >|
I admire the Libertarians for trying to make "none of the above" an option.
<When the choices under the current system is to vote for the lesser of two evils in vain hopes of less damage to the nation..>
Lots of people face that.
<Do you have a better solution, or can think of improvements that the Average American can work toward?>
No. Spend 5 minutes learning what a Laffer Curve is.
|Jan-18-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: Simple minds fathom simple solutions.|
|Jan-18-12|| ||Thanh Phan: Laffer Curve: In economics, the Laffer curve is a theoretical representation of the relationship between government revenue raised by taxation and all possible rates of taxation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer...|
The Laffer curve is also too simplistic in that it assumes a single tax rate, a single labor supply. Actual systems of public finance are more complex.
It doesn't remove the inane number of Tax Breaks in current use, the sectaries will still pay more then their boss, and situations like this http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20... still happen
And the Chess enthusiastic types will still deride the American system, so no progress is shown to the world
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