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|Apr-13-12|| ||twinlark: <Some on the progressive/Left denounce and vilify anyone who dares put forth a <lesser of two evils> argument for voting for Obama and other Democrats. Yet, when pressed, they really have no good alternative, and fall back on to a childish holier-than-though moralism--as if life can never be tragic and there must always be some morally wonderful option.>|
Or as Nader put it, voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for the evil of two lessers. I must admit to being disappointed and amazed when a prominent member of the local left here where I live blamed Nader for Gore's loss.
Come to think of it, would Gore have made such a huge difference? About as much as Obama maybe...
<The U.S. is a capitalist-militarist nation, for better or worse,>
Worse, IMO for the rest of us. Bring on Ron Paul I say, he'll just crack that right wing whip domestically and leave the rest of the world the hell alone. I wonder when the people will realise that all the world really wants from the USA is to <leave us alone>.
<and maybe, just maybe, the reality is that this nation is always going to have a capitalist-militarist President; that there is simply no way to vote in a non-capitalist/militarist President; and that the onl Py moral option is to choose the least maleficent capitalist-militarist President.* For those who don't like capitalism-militarism, that is a tough pill to swallow.>
Indeed. Ron Paul's right wing credentials are impeccable...except that he's not a militarist. His complete exclusion from the Presidential race says something really obvious about the US system and its dependence upon the war industry.
<*Unless one has bought into Lenin's чем хуже, тем лучше ("The worse, the better").> Perish forbid.
|Apr-13-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <twinlark:> <Indeed. Ron Paul's right wing credentials are impeccable...except that he's not a militarist. His complete exclusion from the Presidential race says something really obvious about the US system and its dependence upon the war industry.>|
Absolutely. He simply doesn't pass the Pentagon vetting process - to hell with his popularity.
As usual the US High Command chooses the President, the people? @#$% the people.
|Apr-13-12|| ||Softpaw: Legal scholar Prof. Jonathan Turley:
<[...] I must confess that I am not optimistic on the chances of a conviction unless the special prosecutor has undisclosed evidence to meet the high standard under the state law.
[...]I was surprised to see a second-degree murder charge which requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt that a person was killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.
This is a lower standard than the premeditated standard for first degree murder. However, the evidence in the case would seem to more closely resemble manslaughter.>
<[...]Putting aside the affirmative defense, Corey would need to show much more than is currently known to support a second-degree murder charge, in my view. Based on the current evidence, I would be surprised if she could secure a conviction for second-degree murder.
Zimmerman today is seeking bail and should receive it under the state standard. He turned himself in and cooperated with the police at the scene of the alleged crime. While he has a prior minor record, the prior conduct would not normally be a barrier to release on bond.>
|Apr-13-12|| ||twinlark: <As usual the US High Command chooses the President, the people? @#$% the people.>|
Perhaps the fact that just about every State has a significant arms industry that is a significant lobby group every congressthing in the Union has to heed is also apposite. Going against such a lobby may be a move as career limiting as sneering at AIPAC.
|Apr-13-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <kb2: What you and I think about the Z versus M case is irrelevant. It is a test of the Stand Your Ground Law.>|
At the moment, I think SYG is not that important.
|Apr-13-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <PiPi:
* grey-cell-challenged 
* black-hole-brained 
* mono-ideated 
* neuron-lacking 
* freakily-focused 
* micro-minded 
* thick-thinking 
..but alliterative sequences are by far the best:
* sick smelly 
* sportingly stupid 
* smarts-starved 
If they put this to a vote on the home page, I'd go with mono-ideated.
|Apr-13-12|| ||Jim Bartle: "At the moment, I think SYG is not that important."
I'm pretty sure Zimmerman's defense lawyer will think it's extremely important.
|Apr-13-12|| ||OhioChessFan: Per SYG, I don't see a specific point in which a typical claim of self defense wouldn't already be in play. As for what I'd like to know, I forgot to mention:|
Any medical report or observation of Zimmerman's head/nose injuries.
|Apr-13-12|| ||OhioChessFan: <PiPi: The extreme circumstances that enable quantum force signalling will--on the face of it--require conditions impossible to replicate in the outside world.>|
Like that matters when funding is up for grabs. You could substitue a number of things for "quantam force signalling" in that statement and still have much of this page railing against, ohhhhhhh, me, for being such an mono-ideated idiot for not being on board.
|Apr-13-12|| ||FSR: <johnlspouge> It occurs to me that a prostitute, asked to use your name in a sentence, would say something like, "I have to clean this johnspouge off me and get ready for the next customer."|
|Apr-13-12|| ||tpstar: <The racial aspect here is not the key.>|
This comment must be addressed. By now everybody knows that race has driven this case from the start, once people learned the race of the victim and the "white Hispanic" race of the gunman.
<They killed my son>
Draw your own conclusions.
|Apr-13-12|| ||Jim Bartle: To say "the racial aspect is not the key" means as a factor in resolving the case. And it won't be important (except in selecting a jury?), especially now that the prosecutor has ruled out that Zimmerman used a racial slur during his 911 call (she says he said "-------- punks").|
|Apr-13-12|| ||HeMateMe: New Zealand will always be safe because no one wants it.|
|Apr-13-12|| ||keypusher: <Indeed. Ron Paul's right wing credentials are impeccable...except that he's not a militarist. His complete exclusion from the Presidential race says something really obvious about the US system and its dependence upon the war industry.>|
I like Paul, precisely for the reasons you state. But I don't see how you can say he's been excluded from the presidential race. He's been in third or fourth place on the Republican side all along. He's been in the debates, been able to get his message out. There just aren't enough people who think like he does. Ditto for Kucinich on the Democrat side (he's now lost his congressional seat).
|Apr-13-12|| ||Jim Bartle: "Ditto for Kucinich on the Democrat side (he's now lost his congressional seat)."|
Lost it due to re-districting, and lost in the primary to a really strong Democratic congresswoman, Marcy Kaptur.
|Apr-13-12|| ||johnlspouge: < <FSR> wrote: <johnlspouge> [snip] >|
My name is "Spouge", rhymes with "gouge". Fortunately, the Siemans employee rhymes with "stooge".
We really should regularize English pronunciation once and for all, to avoid such misunderstandings...
|Apr-13-12|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings... ... everything in due time <PP> ..... tks G his Kingdom is forever at hand and it's lights!!!|
|Apr-13-12|| ||FSR: <johnlspouge: ... We really should regularize English pronunciation once and for all, to avoid such misunderstandings...>|
No doubt John Boehner agrees.
|Apr-13-12|| ||cormier: http://www.digitaljournal.com/artic...|
|Apr-13-12|| ||FSR: <King Death: ... He should have that kind of common sense but you know the old word hubris, people that achieve great success don't get there by leaving their egos behind.>|
Romney is not only not a regular joe, he has no idea how to play one on TV - unlike, say, Dubya, who I'm sure is much dumber than Romney but knew how to come across as a regular guy, "someone you'd want to have a beer with."
|Apr-13-12|| ||twinlark: <keypusher> <But I don't see how you can say he's been excluded from the presidential race. He's been in third or fourth place on the Republican side all along.>|
Paul has as much chance of winning the Presidential nomination for President as a paper dog has of chasing an asbestos cat through hell. He consistently draws the best, largest and most loyal crowds amongst the Republican wannabes but is constantly sidelined and denigrated because of his isolationist policies and has always, and will always, come third or fourth in the Republican nomination - I imagine this will be his last campaign as he is now 76.
<Softpaw> is right on this one - there will only be militaristic presidents for the foreseeable future...it's an absolute no-brainer if you look at the strength and virulence of the military industry, and the interlocking interests between it and the energy and financial sectors.
<OCF> <Like that matters when funding is up for grabs. >
That's especially true of String "Theory", which is untested and probably untestable - and has been so for the whole 30 or so years since it was thought up - yet attracts the lion's portion of funding for particle physics. Lack of experimental progress or proof in the String Conjecture (it really shouldn't be dignified with the label "hypothesis", let alone "theory" for this reason) is probably the biggest setback for science since it was launched as a discipline in the modern era.
|Apr-13-12|| ||PinnedPiece: Obama has sent me an email, as full of dissociation from truth as anything he says in public.|
Now we know who we're up against -- a person who would rewind to the same failed economic policies that created the crisis,> WHAT?? I Guess he means free market capitalism. He sure as heck can't explain "the crisis" to himself or anybody else <roll back the rights of women,> The Dems are going to ride this donkey into Jerusalem, aren't they <and return to the social agenda of a century ago.> As a opposed to the new social agenda that has America splintering at the seams? The new social agenda that wants to bring all of the middle class into government dependency?
< So if you've been waiting for the right time to step up and pitch in to grow this campaign, it's now.
Make a donation of $3 or more today:
Pretty low expectations. But the kind of mind that swallows that whole line of crap probably can't afford to donate more than $3.
|Apr-13-12|| ||Jim Bartle: What in the world is wrong with asking for a donation of $3? Only huge donations, like that Foster Frieze guy who gives millions to the Republicans and says that Obama better hope that "his teleprompter is bulletproof"?|
|Apr-13-12|| ||HeMateMe: The other day 1010 am news radio reported that a poll of 1,600 randomly selected people gave Obama a 9% edge over Romney, if the election was held today. Of course, that gap will close, and 1600 isn't such a large sample to predict from. |
Still, for the "anyone but 'Bama" crowd, its a sobering point--the election will be very close.
|Apr-13-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Obama apparently is behind among men, but has a huge advantage among women.|
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