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|Apr-14-12|| ||kb2ct: |
This week Pakistan forbade the use of drones in its country. Too many civilian casualities. Whether they will shoot them down is still undecided.
|Apr-14-12|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Apr-14-12|| ||PinnedPiece: <tl: <<>[Me:] 9. Explain why Communist Viet Nam was a good thing.>|
Explain why it was a bad thing. >
People have never, to my knowledge fled TO a communist country. They flee AWAY.
I have close ties to people who fled Viet Nam. Many of their relatives who were unable to leave were killed, or tortured and/or put into forced labor camps.
I see that, in fact, there is a more fundamental issue that needs clearing up in this discussion of American Military expenditure. All your other complaints, perhaps, spring from which political system you believe best serves man; if its communism, then you are right about the United States being the most horrible regime ever conceived by man's mind, and it is worse than criminal the way we spend money on weaponry.
|Apr-14-12|| ||King Death: <PinnedPiece: People have never, to my knowledge fled TO a communist country. They flee AWAY...>|
In general I agree with that but there are exceptions, see these members of the Cambridge Five:
|Apr-14-12|| ||chancho: <PinnedPiece: People have never, to my knowledge fled TO a communist country.>|
Lee Harvey Oswald?
|Apr-14-12|| ||al wazir: <twinlark: [T]here's hardly a physic department in any university which doesn't have a couple of string theorists on staff, much to the detriment of other approaches which have some kind of respect for formulating falsifiable theories.> True.|
|Apr-14-12|| ||al wazir: <PinnedPiece: People have never, to my knowledge fled TO a communist country.> This is a comment on the limits of your knowledge, not on politics. As such it is 100% correct.|
|Apr-14-12|| ||cormier: <PiPi> for communist use -> russia 1914 in a little village and then the follow-up -> Fatima 1917 june ..... tks G BY BY|
|Apr-14-12|| ||Marmot PFL: We all have to be on the lookout for potential communists, here's how to spot them-|
|Apr-14-12|| ||PinnedPiece: <aw: 100% correct> Let's update both my knowledge and yours:|
<During this separation, more than 860 thousand people fled to the South and more than 50 thousand left for the north.
The northern government however, welcomed this change, as it meant feeding fewer mouths. It is said the Diem rigged the election so as to win, and then became the president of Vietnam. Although he wasn't particularly popular with his people, the United States still agreed with his policies and completely supported him, as he was against communism.>
860,000 fled south, 50,000 fled north, according to that account.
A first-hand account:
<When North Vietnam was put under the control of the communists in 1954, 1 million people fled the North to the South. >
Among the people fleeing south at that time were the family of the Vietnamese-Americans that I know. I have discussed with them, those days, those upheavals, the political situation, and what the presence of the West meant to many people in Vietnam during that time.
<When the whole country was taken over by the communists in 1975, nearly two million Vietnamese refugees from both the North and the South fled the country by boat. An estimate of half a million people, or even more, perished at sea in their desperate journey for freedom. I am among the survivors of those perilous journeys. >
Who have you discussed it with? Or you have a bunch of statistics for me? Showing how communism should never have been resisted by anyone? Because of their health care, for example?
|Apr-14-12|| ||FSR: <PinnedPiece: <FSR: Periodically I take <PinnedPiece> off ignore, but I always regret it...>|
I never put you ON ignore because I believe I should have some idea what your thinking is. Whether I agree or not.>
I apologize if this offends you, but most of your posts shed a lot more heat than light on the subject being discussed. You generally come across to me as a Fox-bot rather than an intellectually curious person. Judging from others' comments, I am not the only one who has this perception.
|Apr-14-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I think we should give Allen West a helping hand. He said there are 78 to 81 Communists in the House of Representatives. Why doesn't he tell us which three are in doubt and we can investigate?|
|Apr-14-12|| ||PinnedPiece: <FSR: [Pipi] a Fox-bot rather than an intellectually curious person..>|
I realize I should follow your model instead, so the apologies are all mine...
<FSR March 29: I am inclining toward <OneArmedScissor>'s assessment:
<Zimmerman is a murderer.>>
<OAS> The Brilliant! <PinnedPiece> The close-minded Fool!
|Apr-14-12|| ||King Death: <Jim Bartle> All we need to do is sick Roy Cohn on those Commie rats with a little help from his friend J. Edgar Hoover.|
|Apr-14-12|| ||FSR: <PinnedPiece> That's the thing. I try to look at the evidence, which may convince me that <X> is true, or merely incline me to think that <X> is true. If I later see persuasive evidence that <X> is false, I modify or entirely abandon, as appropriate, my original opinion. (That's the theory, anyway; like everyone else I have my biases and my reasoning process is far from perfect.) You should try that approach sometime.|
|Apr-14-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <PinnedPiece> <All your other complaints, perhaps, spring from which political system you believe best serves man>|
Regardless of creed or political belief, how about the complaints springing out of the disgust at the death of thousand upon thousands of innocent civilians massacred by the US military, and the lives of thousands more family members destroyed.
All in the name of spreading freedom and democracy - pretty sick joke.
|Apr-14-12|| ||King Death: <Colonel Mortimer> It's revolting what rulers throughout history have done in the name of freedom and I hope that people like G.W. Bush answer for what they've done someday. We all knew that (for example) Pol Pot was a scumbag and he never hid it but somebody like Bush that waved the flag with one hand and took away individual freedoms and screwed up a lot of lives with the other is evil in his own way.|
|Apr-14-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: Why do we ignore the civilians killed in American wars?|
"Why the American silence on our wars’ main victims? Our self-image, based on what cultural historian Richard Slotkin calls “the frontier myth” — in which righteous violence is used to subdue or annihilate the savages of whatever land we’re trying to conquer — plays a large role. For hundreds of years, the frontier myth has been one of America’s sturdiest national narratives.
When the challenges from communism in Korea and Vietnam appeared, we called on these cultural tropes to understand the U.S. mission overseas. The same was true for Iraq and Afghanistan, with the news media and politicians frequently portraying Islamic terrorists as frontier savages. By framing each of these wars as a battle to civilize a lawless culture, we essentially typecast the local populations as the Indians of our North American conquest."
|Apr-14-12|| ||PinnedPiece: <CM: thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians massacred...a sick joke.> I can't help you. |
You've drunk the poison, your fragile mind is earth-faulted from its logic circuits; you can only feed it on Internet Social/Historical Video Porn, and cannot for the life of you see why everyone is not sharing your reality.
Accurate attribution of responsibility on the world stage of warfare is not within your skillset, I don't believe. That the people of the U.S.A. more frequently place a higher value on the lives of the citizens in the countries of our mortal enemies, than they themselves do*, is not something God has granted you the power to understand.
Before <JB> comes down on me for invoking God, let me change that to "is something your poisoned, sick, dwindling faculties may never comprehend."
Nope, I cannot help you. You'll have to laugh at the sick joke by yourself.
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*If your position is "When someone comes at me and my family with a gun, <I will not shoot back when they hold civilians in front> as shields. I will instead go with my family to our own deaths." That is a noble position, and is NOT as sick as your other delerious comments. It is a very Christian position. However, you will need to work very hard to convince me of such a position on your part. And I am certain you don't see how that applies to warfare against Islamists.
|Apr-14-12|| ||PinnedPiece: <Internet Social/Historical Porn> is what your Opinion piece in the WAPost is:|
<This inattention to civilian deaths in America’s wars isn’t unique to Iraq. There’s little evidence that the American public gives much thought to the people who live in the nations where our military interventions take place. >
How full of B.S. is this? Do you not remember last year when we went around on this? Would you like to guess at the number of civilian deaths if we went into war with the same mindset as the Islamists? The numbers would be astronomical. Our rules of engagement prevent such behavior, and violations are punished when discovered. Can you claim as much for the Taliban, or even Al fatah?
I can't help this WaPost person understand the fighting philosophy of the U.S. military, or you either. This is another opinion piece citing numbers that have nothing to do with who is responsible in actual fact for the deaths reported. Our enemies in Iraq had no respect for anything living whatever, and frequently killed each other and civilians. But you get another sick twisted mind with only hate to prove, and there you go, another bit of Internet Mind Porn for you to get your rocks off with.
|Apr-14-12|| ||Colonel Mortimer: *The civilian massacre the US neither confirms nor denies*|
For some weeks in early winter 2009 the people of al-Majala, southern Yemen, had noticed a spotter plane overhead.
The aircraft, most likely American, wasn’t seen as a threat. After all, it had been seven years since the last US military action in Yemen, when a CIA drone had killed six al Qaeda-linked militants.
But everything was about to change. At 6am on December 17, a US Navy vessel stationed in the Gulf launched at least one cruise missile towards al-Majala.
Forty-one civilians died in the US attack. Fourteen members of the extended al Haydara clan were killed, along with 27 members of the al Anbouri clan. Three more people later died when they stepped on left-over cluster munitions.
As a surviving woman later told reporter Jeremy Scahill, for Al Jazeera, ‘At 6am they were sleeping and I was making bread. When the missiles exploded I lost consciousness. I didn’t know what had happened to my children, my daughter, my husband. Only I survived with this old man and my daughter.’
Among those killed that day were 22 children. The youngest, Khadje Ali Mokbel Louqye, was just one year old. A dozen women also died, five of them reportedly pregnant.
Sheik Saleh Ben Fareed, a tribal leader, went to the area shortly after the attack and described the carnage to Al Jazeera reporter Scahill: ‘If somebody has a weak heart, I think they will collapse. You see goats and sheep all over. You see heads of those who were killed here and there. You see children. And you cannot tell if this meat belongs to animals or to human beings. Very sad, very sad.’
The deaths represent one of the highest civilian death tolls of any recent US military operation.
Yet because the US is fighting a covert war in Yemen, it is unknown whether there has been any investigation into the deaths. Instead, the US has actively sought to cover up its role in the attack.
|Apr-14-12|| ||PinnedPiece: Holy Cow. What is the media going to dig up next to keep the readership up?|
<Trayvon Martin's brother speaks out, says Zimmerman’s version of events doesn’t match the person he knew >
Is this going to devolve into some giant version of the Hatfield-McCoys?
CNN must have noticed some slippage in viewership numbers after the arrest....Jahvaris seems like a nice guy though...
|Apr-14-12|| ||Jim Bartle: "Holy Cow. What is the media going to dig up next to keep the readership up?"|
That the bloody glove was found by a racist cop.
|Apr-14-12|| ||cormier: nites ...|
|Apr-14-12|| ||FSR: <Colonel Mortimer: Why do we ignore the civilians killed in American wars?>|
Damned good question.
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