In kind of the same way that <cormier> pastes in the entire New Testament into KR, consider that I have just pasted in this entire book (lucky for all of us I won't really do so):

http://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Fight-...

I know the chances of you reading something like this book are close to zero, but it is the counter-balance your thinking obviously needs, unless you are happy with your current sour perspective on "American warmongering", and want to keep it that way.

Its pretty amazing what some folks are willing to deny about this planet and its inhabitants. Re: Yugoslavia: Is this what you're on about?

<In February 1991, on the initiative of Germany and with the support of countries decisively influenced by the U.S., like Great Britain, Italy and the Netherlands, the European Community backed the U.S. decision: If Yugoslavia did not announce multi-party elections, it would face economic isolation.>

If so, you are really really stretching the facts of history to fit your chosen perspective.

A lot of people on this thread do that...I'm not going to name names, right <PP>?

"Why We Fight describes the rise and maintenance of the United States military-industrial complex and its involvement in the wars led by the United States during the last fifty years, and in particular in the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. The film alleges that in every decade since World War II, the American public has been told a lie to bring it into war to fuel the military-economic machine, which in turn maintains American dominance in the world."

<Colonel Mortimer:>

This week Pakistan forbade the use of drones in its country. Too many civilian casualities. Whether they will shoot them down is still undecided.

Explain why it was a bad thing. >

People have never, to my knowledge fled TO a communist country. They flee AWAY.

I have close ties to people who fled Viet Nam. Many of their relatives who were unable to leave were killed, or tortured and/or put into forced labor camps.

I see that, in fact, there is a more fundamental issue that needs clearing up in this discussion of American Military expenditure. All your other complaints, perhaps, spring from which political system you believe best serves man; if its communism, then you are right about the United States being the most horrible regime ever conceived by man's mind, and it is worse than criminal the way we spend money on weaponry.

In general I agree with that but there are exceptions, see these members of the Cambridge Five:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...(spy)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Bu...

<During this separation, more than 860 thousand people fled to the South and more than 50 thousand left for the north.

The northern government however, welcomed this change, as it meant feeding fewer mouths. It is said the Diem rigged the election so as to win, and then became the president of Vietnam. Although he wasn't particularly popular with his people, the United States still agreed with his policies and completely supported him, as he was against communism.>

860,000 fled south, 50,000 fled north, according to that account.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/fact...

A first-hand account:

<When North Vietnam was put under the control of the communists in 1954, 1 million people fled the North to the South. >

Among the people fleeing south at that time were the family of the Vietnamese-Americans that I know. I have discussed with them, those days, those upheavals, the political situation, and what the presence of the West meant to many people in Vietnam during that time.

<When the whole country was taken over by the communists in 1975, nearly two million Vietnamese refugees from both the North and the South fled the country by boat. An estimate of half a million people, or even more, perished at sea in their desperate journey for freedom. I am among the survivors of those perilous journeys. >

http://www.pwhce.org/textvnhr.html

Who have you discussed it with? Or you have a bunch of statistics for me? Showing how communism should never have been resisted by anyone? Because of their health care, for example?

I never put you ON ignore because I believe I should have some idea what your thinking is. Whether I agree or not.>

I realize I should follow your model instead, so the apologies are all mine...

<FSR March 29: I am inclining toward <OneArmedScissor>'s assessment:

<Zimmerman is a murderer.>>

<OAS> The Brilliant! <PinnedPiece> The close-minded Fool!

Right.

Regardless of creed or political belief, how about the complaints springing out of the disgust at the death of thousand upon thousands of innocent civilians massacred by the US military, and the lives of thousands more family members destroyed.

"Why the American silence on our wars’ main victims? Our self-image, based on what cultural historian Richard Slotkin calls “the frontier myth” — in which righteous violence is used to subdue or annihilate the savages of whatever land we’re trying to conquer — plays a large role. For hundreds of years, the frontier myth has been one of America’s sturdiest national narratives.

When the challenges from communism in Korea and Vietnam appeared, we called on these cultural tropes to understand the U.S. mission overseas. The same was true for Iraq and Afghanistan, with the news media and politicians frequently portraying Islamic terrorists as frontier savages. By framing each of these wars as a battle to civilize a lawless culture, we essentially typecast the local populations as the Indians of our North American conquest."

You've drunk the poison, your fragile mind is earth-faulted from its logic circuits; you can only feed it on Internet Social/Historical Video Porn, and cannot for the life of you see why everyone is not sharing your reality.

Accurate attribution of responsibility on the world stage of warfare is not within your skillset, I don't believe. That the people of the U.S.A. more frequently place a higher value on the lives of the citizens in the countries of our mortal enemies, than they themselves do*, is not something God has granted you the power to understand.

Before <JB> comes down on me for invoking God, let me change that to "is something your poisoned, sick, dwindling faculties may never comprehend."

Nope, I cannot help you. You'll have to laugh at the sick joke by yourself.

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*If your position is "When someone comes at me and my family with a gun, <I will not shoot back when they hold civilians in front> as shields. I will instead go with my family to our own deaths." That is a noble position, and is NOT as sick as your other delerious comments. It is a very Christian position. However, you will need to work very hard to convince me of such a position on your part. And I am certain you don't see how that applies to warfare against Islamists.

<This inattention to civilian deaths in America’s wars isn’t unique to Iraq. There’s little evidence that the American public gives much thought to the people who live in the nations where our military interventions take place. >

How full of B.S. is this? Do you not remember last year when we went around on this? Would you like to guess at the number of civilian deaths if we went into war with the same mindset as the Islamists? The numbers would be astronomical. Our rules of engagement prevent such behavior, and violations are punished when discovered. Can you claim as much for the Taliban, or even Al fatah?

I can't help this WaPost person understand the fighting philosophy of the U.S. military, or you either. This is another opinion piece citing numbers that have nothing to do with who is responsible in actual fact for the deaths reported. Our enemies in Iraq had no respect for anything living whatever, and frequently killed each other and civilians. But you get another sick twisted mind with only hate to prove, and there you go, another bit of Internet Mind Porn for you to get your rocks off with.

For some weeks in early winter 2009 the people of al-Majala, southern Yemen, had noticed a spotter plane overhead.

The aircraft, most likely American, wasn’t seen as a threat. After all, it had been seven years since the last US military action in Yemen, when a CIA drone had killed six al Qaeda-linked militants.

But everything was about to change. At 6am on December 17, a US Navy vessel stationed in the Gulf launched at least one cruise missile towards al-Majala.

Forty-one civilians died in the US attack. Fourteen members of the extended al Haydara clan were killed, along with 27 members of the al Anbouri clan. Three more people later died when they stepped on left-over cluster munitions.

As a surviving woman later told reporter Jeremy Scahill, for Al Jazeera, ‘At 6am they were sleeping and I was making bread. When the missiles exploded I lost consciousness. I didn’t know what had happened to my children, my daughter, my husband. Only I survived with this old man and my daughter.’

Among those killed that day were 22 children. The youngest, Khadje Ali Mokbel Louqye, was just one year old. A dozen women also died, five of them reportedly pregnant.

Sheik Saleh Ben Fareed, a tribal leader, went to the area shortly after the attack and described the carnage to Al Jazeera reporter Scahill: ‘If somebody has a weak heart, I think they will collapse. You see goats and sheep all over. You see heads of those who were killed here and there. You see children. And you cannot tell if this meat belongs to animals or to human beings. Very sad, very sad.’

The deaths represent one of the highest civilian death tolls of any recent US military operation.

Yet because the US is fighting a covert war in Yemen, it is unknown whether there has been any investigation into the deaths. Instead, the US has actively sought to cover up its role in the attack.

<Trayvon Martin's brother speaks out, says Zimmerman’s version of events doesn’t match the person he knew >

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...

Is this going to devolve into some giant version of the Hatfield-McCoys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfie...

CNN must have noticed some slippage in viewership numbers after the arrest....Jahvaris seems like a nice guy though...