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| May-04-12 | | galdur: <stock puppet> Large wing airplanes such as the 757 can´t fly horizontally a few feet off the ground at 530 mph because of the ground effect. There is a reason why these things have to slow down for landing you know. Those towers collapsed at virtually free-fall speed and even the 9/11 commission admits it. This is obviously a physical impossibility for a reinforced tower in a gravity driven event. Maybe you slept through Physics 103. |
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| May-04-12 | | cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings... |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: Sorry, PiPi posted initially as stock puppet and then realized his mistake. |
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| May-04-12 | | Jim Bartle: In my ignorance I thought planes slowed down before landing so they wouldn't then roll right off the end of the runway. |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: <Jim Bartle> Check up on "ground effect". |
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May-04-12
 | | PinnedPiece: OK <galdur> you are not processing facts. You are asking for help to clear up your misunderstandings, then ignoring the help. No ground effect way involved---are you saying its not possible to dive a plane into a building at full speed? Before you go any further, research some airplane crashes, for goodness sakes. Stop coming off as so utterly ignorant. I am embarrased for you. Sorry about messing up with <stock puppet> although he is no secret. . |
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| May-04-12 | | cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Medjugorje Message, May 2, 2012> “Dear children!> With motherly love I implore you to give me your hands, permit me to lead you.> I, as a mother, desire to save you from restlessness, despair and eternal exile.> My Son, by His death on the Cross, showed how much He loves you; He sacrificed Himself for your sake and the sake of your sins.> Do not keep rejecting His sacrifice and do not keep renewing His sufferings with your sins.> Do not keep shutting the doors of Heaven to yourselves.> My children, do not waste time.> Nothing is more important than unity in my Son.> I will help you because the Heavenly Father is sending me so that, together, we can show the way of grace and salvation to all those who do not know Him.> Do not be hard hearted.> Have confidence in me and adore my Son.> My children, you can not be without the shepherds.> May they be in your prayers every day.> Thank you.”> |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: <PinnedPiece> I´m saying that it´s impossible to fly a 757 a few feet off the ground at 530 miles per hour which supposedly happened at the Pentagon. Look up "ground effect". Something hit that building between the first and second floors and did so horizontally. |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: And since that 757 slammed horizontally into the Pentagon a few feet off the ground at 530 mph it also follows that it must have been a few feet off the ground at 530 mph when it roared at full throttle over the freeway next to the Pentagon. You can just imagine the pressure and turbulance and the noise. Yet drivers reporting the plane passing just over them weren´t affected in the least. No cars were swept off the freeway, nobody lost their hearing. It´s very, very strange. |
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| May-04-12 | | diceman: <galdur: <PinnedPiece> The 9/11 commission stated that the south tower collapsed in ten seconds, which is free-fall speed.> Yeah, but that’s the government.
Have you seen their estimates on what Social Security, Medicare, Medicade would cost? How about “The Great Society?” |
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| May-04-12 | | cormier: Thousands of antimilitary protesters took to the streets in Cairo and Alexandria on Friday, days after bloody clashes raised tensions ahead of landmark presidential elections. |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: <PinnedPiece> Your reading comprehension seems faulty. I´m not saying that ground effect prevents planes from flying a few feet off the ground. |
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May-04-12
 | | keypusher: <galdur: <keypusher> I think you need to read that remarkable 2006 transcript from a Canadian TV interview with Lee Hamilton, co-chairman of the 9/11 commission. The guy clearly doesn´t have a clue, LOL.> Of course he doesn't have a clue. The people in charge of big-time commissions don't get the job because they're brilliant. They don't write the commission report, and often don't even read it. So what? The report is good or it isn't; the acumen of the chair is irrelevant to that question. <galdur: The mass of structural steel increases the closer to the ground, for obvious reasons. Therefore, the mass of the top 10 of 110 is not 9% of that of the entire tower but more like 3%. The notion that this small mass would somehow stamp the rest into the ground at virtually free-fall speed - in a gravity driven event - frankly is physically impossible.> But of course it doesn't have to, and didn't, bring the rest of the building down in an instant. It has to bring down a floor, and then another floor, and so forth. <goldenbear: <keypusher> <And if the point of deformation is on the 100th floor of a 110-story building, then how is the building supposed to fall towards that point?> So that it would bend away form deformation and being top-heavy, fall towards it.> You're not speaking English, but assuming I understand your point, the top of one of the towers clearly falls at an angle, though the angle clearly isn't magnified as the fall continues. |
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| May-04-12 | | diceman: <galdur:
Those towers collapsed at virtually free-fall speed and even the 9/11 commission admits it. This is obviously a physical impossibility for a reinforced tower in a gravity driven event.>Maybe exact duplicates of the towers should be built for a controlled test?
Could use a gutted burnout section of Detroit.
Remember, Americas budget is infinite.
Obama could call it “shovel ready.”
(a cheaper, for profit, method would be to send a letter to MythBusters,
they’ve already debunked moon landing hoaxes) |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: <keypusher> Yeah, that Hamilton guy is tried and trusted as cover-ups are concerned. In the eighties he felt that disclosing Iran-Contra would be too painful for the American People. Go figure. |
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May-04-12
 | | al wazir: I stand by my assessment. <galdur> is trolling [sic] to prove a point about the irrefutability of conspiracy theorists, not because he believes this baloney. OK, <g>. You've made your point. You can stop now. |
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| May-04-12 | | goldenbear: <keypusher> You didn't reason that I meant to type this instead: So that it would bend away FROM deformation and being top-heavy, fall towards it? |
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May-04-12
| | PinnedPiece: <galdur> I'm saying Finland doesn't exist. What do you think of that? Sensible, isn't it. Of course not. If in your understanding of the event, something doesn't make sense, then YOU HAVE THE WRONG IDEA IN YOUR BRAIN of what happened. Ground effect will not prevent a plane from flying a few feet above the ground. Your understanding of the physics of that particular event, for all the bravura, is hogwash. Photos clearly show the plane hit the ground 100 to 200 ft FROM THE BUILDING and may have become airborne again, in pieces. There are photos of the debris from the aircraft, if you cared to find them. By the way, I know people, who know members of the aircrew who died on that aircraft, as I have several close friends who are pilots. Your idiocy revolts me, because to protect some false belief of yours, you are willing to stupidly discard their deaths for your lies. . |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: <al wazir> I don´t think that input of yours is meaningful at all. |
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May-04-12
 | | hedgeh0g: The U.S. government clearly underestimated the tenacity of hobby engineers when they were plotting this devastating attack. |
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| May-04-12 | | goldenbear: <keypusher> <the top of one of the towers clearly falls at an angle, though the angle clearly isn't magnified as the fall continues> Yes, so it would seem that the fall lacked resistance, which would only be the case if it were exploding. |
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| May-04-12 | | galdur: Personal attacks when people are unable to identify arguments is business as usual. I think most people see through such cheap tricks. |
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May-04-12
| | keypusher: <goldenbear: <keypusher> You didn't reason that I meant to type this instead: So that it would bend away FROM deformation and being top-heavy, fall towards it?> Still not English, sorry. Are you trying to say that the tower would have fallen on its side? |
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| May-04-12 | | diceman: <keypusher:
<goldenbear: it would bend away form deformation and being top-heavy, fall towards it.>You're not speaking English, but assuming I understand> I’m not sure what goldenbear is saying, but in my mind’s eye,
I’m getting a visual of Pamela Anderson? |
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| May-04-12 | | goldenbear: <keypusher> <Are you trying to say that the tower would have fallen on its side?> That's a step farther than my layman's knowledge of physics is capable of assuming, since obviously it would be a complicated fall and I can't imagine all the forces involved. What I said in the beginning is what I meant; the fall should have occurred with an expanding asymmetry. Even if there was some inherent force to counterbalance the asymmetry, there would in that case have been at least visible oscillation. |
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