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|May-04-12|| ||JohnDahl: <Osama bin Laden did not think much of Joe Biden, apparently.|
In newly declassified documents found last year at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, and released Thursday, the late leader of Al Qaeda urges his followers to draw up plans to assassinate top US leaders, including President Obama and Gen. David Petraeus. But he left Vice President Biden off his notional hit list.
“Obama is the head of infidelity and killing him automatically will make Biden take over the presidency for the remainder of the term, as is the norm over there,” reads a letter that West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center believes was written by bin Laden. “Biden is totally unprepared for that post, which will lead the US into a crisis.">
You couldn't make this @#$% up. Although, according to <galdur> and friends, they probably have!
|May-04-12|| ||benjinathan: What happened to Flt 77 and its passengers?
Why was it useful to the conspiracy to fly a missile into the Pentagon (causing limited damage and death) more than one half hour after the second plane hit the WTC? Assuming it was useful to hit the Pentagon, why not just fly a plane into it?
Where was the missile fired from? Why did no one see the missile get fired? Why did no one see the missile on the way?
There are airplane pieces on the ground of the pentagon lawn in pictures taken 10 minutes after the attack. Who put them there and how so quickly?
|May-04-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Those are a combination of known knowns and unknown knowns.|
|May-04-12|| ||JohnDahl: <Obama is the head of infidelity...>|
Must have confused him with <Bill Clinton>. Or, possibly, <John Edwards>.
|May-04-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Or Newt Gingrich.|
|May-04-12|| ||diceman: <JohnDahl:
Incidentally, I heard <Mickey Mouse> wears a <Paul Krugman> wristwatch.>
Bush wears an Obama watch.
Obama wears a Solyndra sundial watch.
(it doesn’t keep time for some reason)
However, its costs:
…because it doesn’t keep time, he has to ask Biden what time it is,
because he cant tell time, Biden has to ask Pelosi what time it is,
Pelosi says :we need to pass the time, before we can tell the time.
|May-04-12|| ||diceman: <galdur: <diceman> Much if not most of govt. policy comes from people that nobody at all voted for and most people never hear of. You have a myriad of think tanks, non-governmental organizations, foundations etc. This web then connects into Wall St., Pentagon, CIA. It´s a very corrupt system with immense conflicts of interests.>|
Odd, to democrat morons its a well oiled machine of truth, honesty.
It produces fairness/equality at extremely low costs?
According to HeMateMe, it also protects us from the massive costs of all the prisons we would need for the black man.
(smart people know they commit crime if you don’t give them free stuff)
|May-04-12|| ||diceman: <benjinathan: What happened to Flt 77 and its passengers?>|
Was there a Flt 77, or were you just led to believe there was?
<Assuming it was useful to hit the Pentagon, why not just fly a plane into it?
Where was the missile fired from? Why did no one see the missile get fired? Why did no one see the missile on the way?>
Our military is the worlds leader in stealth technology.
<There are airplane pieces on the ground of the pentagon lawn in pictures taken 10 minutes after the attack. Who put them there and how so quickly?>
Magician Dave Copperfield has a magic act where he makes plane parts appear.
I’m sure our “experts” would have access to the information.
Hey, this is fun!
|May-04-12|| ||diceman: <goldenbear: <tpstar> I'm in ketosis right now. What do you think about that?>|
Are you playing a keytar?
|May-04-12|| ||kb2ct: |
Where did the towers go??
There is a youtube video if you are too lazy to read the book.
|May-04-12|| ||JohnDahl: What do the Unabomber, Osama Bin Laden and the Obama administration all have in common?|
A belief in global warming as a major threat to planetary health.
Verily, you shall know them by the company that they keepeth.
|May-04-12|| ||galdur: Does this look like a Boeing 757 crash site?
See also: What Really Happened on September 11 at the Pentagon
|May-04-12|| ||galdur: BTW, the alleged aircraft hit the Pentagon feet off the ground at approximately the angle shown on that pic, somehow without touching those magic light poles.|
|May-04-12|| ||benjinathan: <galdur>
I think you have to answer the questions I posed. What is your theory about where the people are? etc.
Yes it looks like a crash site- there are pieces of aircraft everywhere, including ones that sure look like AA markings. It looks like what you get if you flew an airplane into a brick wall. If pieces of aircaft are there- and to me they clearly are- where did they come from?
I think one of those magic poles fell through the window of a taxi cab after being sheared off.
The problem with conspiracy theorists (and one of the reasons they have so much difficulty convincing others) is they tend to think everything is part of the conspiracy- from the preparation of the FDNY, to whether they flew a missile into the pentagon rather than an airplane, to the response of USAF fighters, to whether phone calls from hijacked airplanes were faked and it goes on. It would be so much more convincing to more people (but not me) if the theory was more limited (ie Bush had foreknowledge but did not act on it)
With respect, as <PP.> has observed, it is impossible to put together a theory based on the conspiracy theorists assertions that just does not sound stupid to the average person. Which is, I would guess, why there is so much conspiracy theorist resistance to asserting a comprehensive theory that takes into account all of the known facts and the conspiracy allegations.
|May-04-12|| ||OhioChessFan: I don't think the current dustup is worthy of as much discussion as it's gotten, but in the interest of education, here are what I have found are the three big problems with all conspiracy theories.|
1. People talk. You can't keep a huge group of people quiet about anything.
2. Alternately impugning/appealing to various witnesses.
3. Lack of narrative. I found this one on my own in a long search of the JFK assassination. You can sit all day and ask questions about this and that, but to offer an alternative that includes all the known facts? It never happens with the conspiracists, and it never seems to be a problem for them to be unable to.
In their own way, in the current discussion, the anticonspiracists have appealed to all of these, and rightly so.
|May-04-12|| ||Jim Bartle: OCF: "1. People talk. You can't keep a huge group of people quiet about anything."|
|May-04-12|| ||whiteshark: So here's the place...
|May-04-12|| ||galdur: <benjinathan> I don´t see how it would be on me to rationalize those impossible official fables. Why don´t you ask the people who made up this crap how a large wing airliner can fly at 530 mph feet off the ground without disturbing cars and people right under it. Why don´t you ask them how reinforced skyscrapers are supposed to crumble to dust virtually without resistance in a gravity driven event. Why should I patch up the holes in these fairy tales?|
|May-04-12|| ||tpstar: "Do you like parties?"
"We can invite all our friends, and have soda and pie."
"I hope no Bad People show up."
The Beastie Boys have played a crucial role in protecting this site against the Bad People. Peace out, bro.
<how a large wing airliner can fly at 530 mph feet off the ground> My friend was in Washington D.C. on 9/11/01 and actually heard the plane before it crashed (although he didn't hear the crash) and felt a strong breeze, and wondered why a plane would be so low to the ground. He then went indoors and saw the news on TV. I never knew he was in on the conspiracy.
People can raise "troubling questions" all day, basically about anything. That doesn't change the truth.
|May-04-12|| ||JohnDahl: <have found are the three big problems with all conspiracy theories.|
1. People talk. You can't keep a huge group of people quiet about anything.>
But this is ex post facto. The real issue is how a conspiracy of any size can come to fruition to start with.
|May-04-12|| ||galdur: At the very least you should be able to view surveillance tapes showing this plane hitting the Pentagon. But even this is impossible. Doesn´t this tell you something? Maybe all the cameras on the Pentagon and establishments in the area were magically out of order that day. You need to demand a rational official story in touch with reality. I don´t know what really happened on 9/11. I haven´t seen any meaningful investigation of the crime. There is only this totally discredited official fable that very few people take seriously at this point. That fable will continue to age very badly because it is by definition impossible to prove falsehoods.|
|May-04-12|| ||JohnDahl: <I don´t know what really happened on 9/11.>|
Oh, The grand old Duke of York,
He had ten thousand men;
He marched them up to the top of the hill,
And he marched them down again.
And when they were up, they were up,
And when they were down, they were down,
And when they were only half-way up,
They were neither up nor down.>
|May-04-12|| ||goldenbear: <it is by definition impossible to prove falsehoods> Not true. It is possible to prove falsehoods. But I know what you mean, and I agree. The official story of the burning of the Reichstag hasn't aged well either.|
|May-04-12|| ||JohnDahl: <The official story of the burning of the Reichstag hasn't aged well either.>|
Hasn't it? How so?
|May-04-12|| ||tpstar: 9/11 is old news.
I read on the Internet about a group of innocent angelic patriotic black children ages five to eight who were finishing their Rosa Parks report for Martin Luther King Day when some crazy white person started kicking them in the head. The young freedom fighters had trouble identifying their attacker since he was wearing a white robe but they clearly heard racial epithets and biblical passages during what was obviously a racially motivated hate crime.
Authorities describe the Smiley Face Racist as a white Hispanic (sometimes mistaken for a yellow Hispanic) with a very large grin and a penchant for attacking innocent black youth.
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