....and anyway, did it really unravel the way Chopra implies, in the quoted statement? Think you are using unravel in his same sense? I think the unraveling he has in mind has to do with a continuing disparity in wealth until a few have ALL of IT, and a large majority have NONE of IT....usually the vision of economic lightweights who believe that if I accumulate wealth, it is at your expense.

<Do i get a prize?>

Only a few small tidbits of further enlightenment from "yours truly". Or in today's accepted etiquette, from "My Best Regards".

Did you forget the lightweight you are?
You don’t decide war dummy, your enemy does.

I’m pretty sure France didn’t want Germans taking over.

When the enemy is gutting your entrails let me know how your infrastructure is doing?

What infrastructure were you building, a Maginot line? (that’s the way smart fellas fight wars)

<I'd rather see my hard-earned tax dollars go towards rebuilding lives>

You think your 60’s social welfare stopped?
Go down to the ghetto/slum and see your handy work.

You may want to bring a weapon to your utopian, delusional, world of love and peace.

<Colonel Mortimer: <pipi> <If some are free to make billions, then we are all free to make something for ourselves.> A fine piece of defective induction.
>

...that I just alluded to, to whit: If I gain, you lose.

Wonder why “Deep pockets” doesn’t live in India?

Oh, that’s right, he makes a lot more money here
having liberal lightweights fawn all over his ignorant philosophy.

<he makes a lot more money here>

So in 1939, Germany was defending itself against Poland?

Sort of like what happened when the US was "defending" itself against Iraq in the second Gulf War.

<...that I just alluded to, to whit: If I gain, you lose.>

You don't need to try at playing dumb. I responded 'no' to your following question:-

<patzer2: So are you saying the US gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait so they could mount a military offensive against him?>

I don't know by what logical construct you take my answer to be 'my' admission that the US DID NOT give Saddam permission to invade Kuwait.

Under the terms of ceasefire of the first gulf war with Iraq, Saddam Hussein was to completely (and I mean completely) open all military depots, labs, hideouts, etc. for inspection, and not fly any aircraft. We began patrols to prevent the latter.

He became uncooperative on the inspections, and shot at our aircraft.

He violated the terms, we enforced them. (Granted, it isn't something AmLibs are willing to do--go after a threat--unless it is internal and conservative.)

Let's review the events of 2000 through 2003 again:

2000: Bush election comes down to Florida vote, where Al Gore determined some of his votes were not counted properly in three counties. He sued to allow a recount. In the end he lost. Democrats begin chant that Bush stole the election. (Not true: http://www.covenantnews.com/electio... )

2001: Democrats refuse to work with Bush since he cheated his way into office. 9/11 tears a hole in nation's psyche. Bush's strength of character and resolve makes him the most poplular president ever.

2002: Democrats seethe at lost election, and Bush's popularity. But know they must show the American people they will defend them from threats abroad also. So they join in petitions against Hussein, who they have all called a grave danger since the late 90s.

2003: Bush's patience wears out and he orders attacks on Hussein. The multiple transgressions of shooting at our planes and defying inspectors and UN resolutions tips the scales for war.

2003: Democrats simply cannot tolerate the level of popularity of G. Bush and must now begin the smears and lies, the Valerie Plame incidents, the denials that they thought Hussein had WMD, and all their 6 years of previous harch talk of Hussein....now they needed to use the war to turn the American public against Bush.

2004: The most thorough smear attack on Bush-Cheney from media and Democrats ever, which engendered lies that are extant to this day (eg.g "Gore: "He Lied to Us!"; "Bush planned this war before he took office!"; "Rumsfeld outed Valerie Plame!" etc. etc.)

2005-2012: The lies continue to mount. Over a million Iraqi civilians killed by U.S. troops. The war cost 3 trillion dollars. George Bush knew the yellow cake reports were false. Colin Powell knew better and was an unwilling patsy. The U.S. started the war with Iraq. The conservative Supreme Court cheated Bush into office.

An almost hopeless tangle of (sometimes contradictory) lies and smears...all to gain back the political power they lost when Al Gore lost his attempt to change the vote outcome in Florida.*

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*Underreported: the AP and other news organizations, at their own expense, took it upon themselves to recount all the votes according to their own described fair rules. Gore still lost. See this: http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/th...

<pipi> <George Bush knew the yellow cake reports were false.>

If so was he deliberately lying..

"In his January 2003 State of the Union speech, U.S. President George W. Bush said, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."[2] This single sentence is now known as "the Sixteen Words."[3"

"The Post reported, "Dozens of interviews with current and former intelligence officials and policymakers in the United States, Britain, France and Italy show that the Bush administration disregarded key information available at the time showing that the Iraq-Niger claim was highly questionable." [6] With the release of the 2002 NIE report, the Bush administration was criticized for including the statement in the State of the Union despite CIA and State Department reports questioning its veracity."

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/95b6...

I think you may have misunderstood that paragraph. Let me try again...

<2005-2012: The Democrat>--and media repeated--<lies continue to mount.> Here are some examples: <Over a million Iraqi civilians killed by U.S. troops. The > true <war cost 3 trillion dollars.> Actually this lie was spread by BBC, I think. <George Bush knew the yellow cake reports were false. Colin Powell knew better and was an unwilling patsy. The U.S. started the war with Iraq. The conservative Supreme Court cheated Bush into office.> I could add many more Democrat-engineered lies: We were *TORTURING* Guantanamo prisoners; we were flushing their Kor'ans down the toilets, we were mindlessly killing women and children; Bush was setting up his favorite corporations to benefit from the war; Bush administration was after oil (but what the heck were they going to do with it???? They could just let American companies begin drilling in Alaska, off the shores, etc!!)

I.e. That Bush knew the yellowcake purchase was a fabrication, was a late lie to layer more blame on his presidency.

The news organizations mentioned in my link wanted to prove that indeed Gore should have won. They made a very public launch of their investigation. When it concluded, their results were extremely difficult to find....they didn't put them on page one...but way in the back, because they didn't like the results they came up with.

The news media were not dishonest, just very badly bent in the brain to start with. That is the only bogeyman part of the story---their natural inclination to hate conservatives and believe democrats.

If he didn't know the report to be false then at the very least he was irresponsible to include it in his speech.

David Kerner on Jan 6, 2011 at http://wikileaks.foreignpolicy.com/... argues Glaspie's actions didn't cause the Gulf War.

In response, on Jan 9, 2011 at http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts... Stephen Walt, also agrees Glaspie was not personally responsible. However, he argues that the US may have unwittingly given Saddam a "flickering green light" or at a best a "yellow light" by failing to give Saddam "a clear and explicit statement that an attack on Kuwait would be met with an American military response."

And one wonders how many false signals the Obama administration has been sending out to rogue regimes, and will have to be damage-controlled by the Romney administration.