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|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: Pretty wishy washy denial.
And there were four Republican Senators there. Not a single one denies it. They say they don't remember.
|Jan-13-18|| ||Bobsterman3000: <saffuna: Pretty wishy washy denial. >|
I would prefer that he be a little more PC than to use that term, at least in that instance.
But I personally do NOT believe that he said it exactly the way it's being reported. But even if he did I'm not going to cry about one single instance of it in a private meeting, as you know very well the history of colorful language used by US Presidents.
But if that makes you NOT like him even more then I understand that - and if this causes people to vote him out then I understand that, too - he is an adult and I'm not gonna to make excuses as he's got to answer for whatever image he's creating.
|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: <But even if he did I'm not going to cry about one single instance of it in a private meeting,>|
President and seven Senators. Not exactly a strategy session with his staff.
|Jan-13-18|| ||zborris8: <And there were four Republican Senators there. Not a single one denies it. They say they don't remember.> |
It sure is wishy-washy. But it has to be a catch-22 for politicians. If they said Trump didn't say it, then they'd be calling another senator a liar. But if they said Trump said it, they'd be calling the president a liar.
They can't win so they bailed out.
|Jan-13-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: Pretty heartbreaking stuff watching the people of Hawaii put their children in manholes (Not the one you kiss, Timmy!!) and say their "final goodbyes" as they thought they were getting nuked. |
Bob would kill for the dictator who's caused the current tensions between America and Korea. Let that sink in!
|Jan-13-18|| ||Petrosianic: <saffuna: 3,900,000: number of black slaves in the U.S. in 1860.
0: number of white slaves in the U.S. in 1860.
Draw your conclusions.>
You're asking people to draw conclusions from an incomplete set of facts. If slavery had never existed before the US, it began here, and was entirely race-based, then the conclusion you're steering for would make sense.
In fact, almost every previous civilization had it, and in fact, well over 90% of the slaves that came to the New World went to Latin America, which you don't seem to consider racist societies.
?Now there is one thing that the US did contribute to the mix. Every previous civilization regarded slavery as a necessary evil. "It's a dirty job but someone has to do it." It was rich white Democrats who came up with the idea that it wasn't an evil at all. It was a good thing, because the slaves would surely do much worse for themselves if they were free. That idea probably was race-based, I grant you. And supported by Science, as people like Huxley, Dobzhansky and others (but not Darwin himself) believed that evolutionary theory had proved that some races were inferior to others. The people who opposed that idea were the "anti-Science" people of their day, so you can see why they were largely dismissed.
So, in a way the 19th century Democrats were less evil than most. Most societies recognized that slavery was evil, but did it anyway. At least the Democrats were uncomfortable enough with that idea to try to rationalize it away, and convince themselves that they were doing something good. But I disagree with the idea that that absurd rationalization made them either more evil or less evil than the others. They were equally evil.
|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: <At a press conference hours after a false alert about a ballistic missile was sent, the administrator of Hawaii Office of Emergency Management (HI-EMA) said his team had been preparing for the worst-case scenario for months. "The threat is there," said Vern Miyagi. >|
Right. Mr. Miyagi has the people out waxing cars in a smooth circular motion.
|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: <petrosianic> So, was slavery in the U.S. based on race? That's the question here.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||TheFocus: <saffuna> <Right. Mr. Miyagi has the people out waxing cars in a smooth circular motion.>|
ROFLMBO!! That truly describes our state government.
Did I mention it is a Democrat led state?
|Jan-13-18|| ||Bobsterman3000: Small numbers of Scottish or Irish indentured servants did also labor in plantations in the New World, sometimes they had access to more status and could work into better occupations than black slaves.|
There's still small communities of them throughout Caribbean countries, they're called Redlegs and since colonialism ended in 60s-80's they're dropped to the very bottom of the economic ladder everywhere they still exist:
A lot of them have mixed into the local creole populations, but some haven't.
|Jan-13-18|| ||Marmot PFL: Slavery was based on racism and greed. Those who fought to the end to defend it were the ones who had profited from it the most, the Southern cotton growers. The invention of the cotton gin made cotton growing extremely profitable and increased the demand for slaves.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||Big Pawn: <saffuna: <petrosianic> So, was slavery in the U.S. based on race? That's the question here.>|
The question was, "Is slavery evidence of racism" because you pointed to slavery when I asked you to show that racism exists.
Now we know that you agree that slavery dot not equal racism.
Let the Elite Posters see how I handled this, providing first class reading entertainment to those with knowledge and wisdom.
We recognize one another.
|Jan-13-18|| ||Big Pawn: Slavery was around for thousands of years (still is), and was considered part of life for some folks. |
However, white European-roots Christians put an end to it.
Thank the white man.
|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: Here's the comment that started today's discussion:|
<To have any discussion there must be some agreement about basic facts. If a person arguing about racism refuses to agree that slavery in the US was not based on race, there's really no way to have any discussion.>
|Jan-13-18|| ||Bobsterman3000: The term "racism" did not exist while American slavery was legal.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: How does that affect my last post? It doesn't.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: Aren't you a "Person of color?". Sell out much?? What do you have to say about your relatives in internment camps during the war because of America? No comment LOL. Go back to Okinawa dummy.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||Big Pawn: < saffuna: Here's the comment that started today's discussion:|
<To have any discussion there must be some agreement about basic facts. If a person arguing about racism refuses to agree that slavery in the US was not based on race, there's really no way to have any discussion.>>
The discussion hasn't restarted at all. It's still ongoing and you've left the debate podium, running away with your tail between your legs.
I said racism never exist.
You said it did.
I asked you to show me.
You pointed to slavery.
I told you slavery is not evidence of racism.
You said it was.
I asked you if black slave owners were racists then.
You said no.
|Jan-13-18|| ||saffuna: There cannot be a discussion of racism if one person refuses to agree that slavery in the US was not based on race. It's that simple.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||Bobsterman3000: < Dr Winston OBoogie: Aren't you a "Person of color?". Sell out much?? What do you have to say about your relatives in internment camps during the war because of America? No comment LOL. Go back to Okinawa dummy.>|
Asians in the USA don't really refer to themselves as "persons of color" despite what you may see on the Internet.
Okinawans weren't put in internment camps as they weren't in the continental USA in any numbers.
Your "self-education by click-bait Websites" doesn't seem to be going too well, despite how many times mum tells you to ignore everyone telling you you're dumb as a brick.
|Jan-13-18|| ||al wazir: <saffuna: They say they don't remember.> You can't fault someone for not remembering. Everyone knows that Republicans have poor memories.|
|Jan-13-18|| ||Big Pawn: < saffuna: There cannot be a discussion of racism if one person refuses to agree that slavery in the US was not based on race.>|
Who made that rule?
Besides, it's all water under the bridge now. You agree that slavery is not evidence of racism, because you say that black slave owners aren't racist.
There doesn't <need> to be any further discussion.
|Jan-13-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: Butthurt much, Timmy boy? LOL.
JIM! Next time you need ammo refer to this post via search kibitzing..
Your sides must be splitting with all that rolling you do. I detect great anger and frustration in you Timstar
<Asians in the USA don't really refer to themselves as "persons of color" despite what you may see on the Internet.>
Says the mong who referred to himself as an Asian in America who's.. - wait for it - <A person of colour!>
I'll leave the site if Timmy the slurper never said that before! Any takers???? Thought not LOL.
Go to sleep "HOIC"...mommas calling LMAO 😂 😂 😂
|Jan-14-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: Looks like Timmy's done the Trump shuffle.. Get out of there when someone embarrasses him with <facts> LOL. |
I now put Timstar in Room 101 with Geoffrey the budgiestar, keysiepoos and AJ Goldsby #Simpletons!
|Jan-14-18|| ||Dr Winston OBoogie: <Okinawans weren't put in internment camps>|
I hear a sound?? Oh it's the Trump shuffle LOLZ 😂 😂 😂
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