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|Nov-04-13|| ||al wazir: Insert punctuation as needed to make sense of the following (due to Martin Gardner):|
Would the sentence I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish And Chips sign have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish and between Fish and and and and and And and And and and and and and And and And and and and and and Chips as well as after Chips?
|Nov-04-13|| ||kellmano: Classic.
Had a quick go, but it outstumped me. It reminds me of an inferior problem I saw at school - can you put the word 'had' ten times consecutively in a sentence. Won't give the solution in case anyone wants to have a go, but I found it unsatisfactory.
|Nov-04-13|| ||Sneaky: <can you put the word 'had' ten times consecutively in a sentence> No, but I can put the word "buffalo" eight times :) |
|Nov-04-13|| ||Jim Bartle: John while Jack had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher.|
|Nov-04-13|| ||kellmano: <Jim> yeah that's the answer I've seen. Seems unsatisfactory to me because it relies on an error. If there was a gap and Jim had had 'had had had had had had had had had had had' for some reason, that would be an even longer string.|
|Nov-04-13|| ||Jim Bartle: John, while Jack had had "had had," had had "had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher.|
|Nov-04-13|| ||Shams: Would the sentence:
"I want to put a hyphen between the words <Fish> and <And>, and <And> and <Chips> in my <Fish And Chips> sign"
...have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed:
before <Fish>, and
between <Fish> and <and>, and <and> and <And>, and <And> and <and>, and <and> and <And>, and <And> and <and>, and <and> and <Chips>, as well as after <Chips>?
|Nov-04-13|| ||al wazir: <Shams>: Very good! And very prompt, or if I may say so, punctual.|
I think you need hyphens in "Fish-And-Chips sign," and I would have used quotation marks (inverted commas) where you used angle brackets, but they function the same way. My own solution differs only in small details, as follows:
Wouldn't the sentence "I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign" have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before "Fish," and between "Fish" and "and," and "and" and "And," and "And" and "and," and "and" and "And," and "And" and "and," and "and" and "Chips," as well as after "Chips"?
The wiki article citing Martin Gardner's version uses quotation marks a lot less copiously, but because it treats it as direct speech and encloses the whole thing in quotes (as you did), it interchanges single and double quotation marks:
<Martin Gardner offered the example: "Wouldn't the sentence 'I want to put a hyphen between the words Fish and And and And and Chips in my Fish-And-Chips sign' have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before Fish, and between Fish and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and And, and And and and, and and and Chips, as well as after Chips?">
Classical Latin used neither lower-case letters nor punctuation nor spacing between words. Adopting that convention eliminates the whole issue, at some cost in clarity:
|Nov-08-13|| ||Sneaky: Puzzle from xkcd:
<White to continue insisting this is a chessboard.>
For extra credit, see if you can read the secret alt-text hiding behind the graphic. It's a prediction about the Anand-Carlsen match ;-)
|Nov-08-13|| ||Sneaky: How many times can you stack the word "is" in one sentence? I can easily come up with 5, who can beat that?|
<I wondered to myself when Bill Clinton declared "It depends what the meaning of is is.", is "is is" truly proper English?>
(And the potential answer: <Yes, "is is" is.>)
|Nov-08-13|| ||Sneaky: On the subject of <right-brained vs left-brained> check out this online test and find out which one you are:|
|Nov-08-13|| ||al wazir: <Sneaky>: "whichy"?|
According to this test, I use the two sides equally, which is what I would expect. (As Kipling wrote, <
I would go without shirt or shoe,
Friend, tobacco or bread,
Sooner than lose for a minute the two
Separate sides of my head!>
I am curious to know if anyone gets a different result.
|Nov-10-13|| ||Sneaky: I used both sides equally as well.
Some questions are ridiculous, like the one about putting your hand on your head. Of course I used my left hand since my right hand was holding a mouse!
|Nov-10-13|| ||johnlspouge: I used both sides equally as well.|
|Nov-11-13|| ||al wazir: I went through the test a second time, choosing the *first* of the options presented in each case. (I'm sure that set a record for the fastest the test has ever been taken.) Again the conclusion was that I was using both sides of my head equally.|
I have always been concerned that I might be a cold, calculating rationalist whose lucubrations exercise only one of my cerebral hemispheres, or a flighty artistic type whose fancies emerge from the other. It is reassuring to learn that I am so bilateral.
|Nov-22-13|| ||Sneaky: You are driving in your car, windows up, with a helium balloon floating on a string.|
You slam the brakes. What does the helium balloon do? Go toward the front of the car, go toward the back of the car, or stay in roughly the same place?
|Nov-22-13|| ||john barleycorn: <Sneaky: You are driving in your car, windows up, with a helium balloon floating on a string.>|
Why will I do that?
|Nov-23-13|| ||Sneaky: Maybe you are a professional clown on the way to work?|
|Nov-23-13|| ||john barleycorn: <Sneaky: Maybe you are a professional clown on the way to work?>|
Only at work - not on the way to it. :-)
I just do my shaving and breakfast in the car. No time for scientific experiments.
|Nov-23-13|| ||johnlspouge: < <Sneaky> wrote: [snip] What does the helium balloon do? Go toward the front of the car, go toward the back of the car, or stay in roughly the same place? >|
This is one of my favorite problems. It is hard to get the wrong answer if you use Einstein's Principle of Equivalence, providing a beautiful example of how intellectual depth can make the solution to a difficult problem obvious.
I hope that I have not ruined the problem for anyone :)
|Nov-23-13|| ||kellmano: Very nice puzzle. Here is a short youtube clip about it:|
A couple of the explanations below explain it succinctly. Is it just me, or does the new youtube comment system not allow you to see what posts are a response to? Seems like an extremely fundamental flaw.
|Nov-24-13|| ||Sneaky: I like the YouTube comment "This video is fake, right? The balloon does exactly the opposite of what it should."|
The only thing you need to understand what's going on is to remember at the invisible air is definitely experiencing the forces as one would expect. Slamming the brakes makes the air rush to the front of the cabin. Accelerating makes it rush to the back. And so forth.
So whatever the air does, the light balloon gets shoved aside to make room for it.
|Nov-24-13|| ||al wazir: <Sneaky: What does the helium balloon do?> It depends. If the car is filled with hydrogen, the balloon moves forward.|
You ask, why would a car be filled with hydrogen? I reply, why would you drive around with a helium balloon floating in the car?
|Nov-24-13|| ||Sneaky: If the car was filled with hydrogen the balloon wouldn't be floating!|
|Nov-25-13|| ||john barleycorn: The car would be floating instead. with the driver dead.|
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