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Louis F Stumpers
Number of games in database: 47
Years covered: 1932 to 1969
Overall record: +13 -27 =7 (35.1%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.

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LOUIS F STUMPERS
(born Aug-30-1911, died Sep-27-2003, 92 years old) Netherlands

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 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 47  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. L Stumpers vs J Lehr  1-019 1932 EindhovenD18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
2. E Sapira vs L Stumpers 0-125 1938 NBSB - FlandersD94 Grunfeld
3. L Stumpers vs E Spanjaard  1-055 1938 Dutch Ch prelimE02 Catalan, Open, 5.Qa4
4. L Stumpers vs S Landau  0-141 1939 NED-ch11D33 Queen's Gambit Declined, Tarrasch
5. H van Steenis vs L Stumpers  1-025 1939 NED-ch11B02 Alekhine's Defense
6. J van den Bosch vs L Stumpers  ½-½58 1939 NED-ch11A48 King's Indian
7. A J van den Hoek vs L Stumpers  1-027 1941 BondswedstrijdenB10 Caro-Kann
8. T van Scheltinga vs L Stumpers 1-035 1942 NED-ch12D94 Grunfeld
9. C B van den Berg vs L Stumpers  1-058 1946 NED-ch prelim ID19 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch
10. L Stumpers vs H van Steenis 0-124 1946 NED-ch prelim ID28 Queen's Gambit Accepted, Classical
11. G Fontein vs L Stumpers  ½-½26 1946 NED-ch prelim ID94 Grunfeld
12. L Stumpers vs Cortlever  ½-½50 1946 NED-ch prelim IE60 King's Indian Defense
13. L Stumpers vs J H Marwitz  1-040 1946 NED-ch prelim ID31 Queen's Gambit Declined
14. L Stumpers vs Euwe 0-130 1946 NED-ch prelim IE60 King's Indian Defense
15. W Wolthuis vs L Stumpers  ½-½52 1946 NED-ch prelim IC58 Two Knights
16. L Stumpers vs H van Steenis  0-133 1947 Int BD23 Queen's Gambit Accepted
17. L Stumpers vs Grob 1-060 1947 Int BA55 Old Indian, Main line
18. V Soultanbeieff vs L Stumpers  ½-½46 1947 Int BD96 Grunfeld, Russian Variation
19. Tartakower vs L Stumpers 1-024 1947 Int BD74 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.cd Nxd5, 7.O-O
20. L Stumpers vs A Vinken  0-133 1948 NED-ch14E21 Nimzo-Indian, Three Knights
21. L Stumpers vs C Vlagsma  0-145 1948 NED-ch14C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
22. L Stumpers vs T van Scheltinga  1-047 1948 NED-ch14C97 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Chigorin
23. L Stumpers vs H Kramer  0-140 1948 NED-ch14B92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
24. J Baay vs L Stumpers  1-040 1948 NED-ch14E37 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
25. L Stumpers vs F Henneberke 1-043 1948 NED-ch14C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
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Mar-31-12
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  Jim Bartle: I think Leaf's basic problem is that he's a jerk.
Mar-31-12
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  HeMateMe: Yeah, I guess he's a problem that just happened to have a great arm. Unfortunate. Calls to mind Art Schlecter, a qb the Colts had, Ithink in the 80s, who gambled his way out of the league.

Has anyone noticed that qbs seem to have more offspring with medical problems related to the brain? Dan marino and Boomer Esiason both have kids who are autistic. There are othe stats too, about this. I wonder if it is the flip coin of the quaterback having superior hand/eye coordination and excellant eyesight? could the gene pool swing in the other direction, too?

Mar-31-12
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  Shams: <HeMateMe> Rypien is also in the news because as a former player with a concussion history, he just joined a lawsuit against the NFL.
Mar-31-12
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  HeMateMe: They're big boys who play a rough game. Every single player quote I've ever read said 1)players know they have had concussions, 2) they will continue playing despite this, 3) they won't tell team doctors/trainers when they have a concussion, because it means they could be taken off a field, and it might hurt their roster chances with a team.

I think every one of these suits has failed; it's been tried before. I'm sympathetic for the players, but they are all told to not play if they are unable.

Bryant Gumbell did a piece about this recently, on <Real Sports>. The team owners are putting the onus on team physicians. If the team doctor clears a player, he is ok to play. The paperwork is all set up to make sure team owners are absolved of any legal liability. Only the team doctor/trainers can be sued, if I read the piece correctly.

Mar-31-12
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  Shams: <HeMateMe> Actually I think the lawsuits are quite a significant threat to the NFL.

Football is on its way out, it's only a matter of time. I just hope the Seahawks can win one before it's over.

Mar-31-12
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  Jim Bartle: "If the team doctor clears a player, he is ok to play."

Except the doctor is paid by the team, and isn't really independent.

Apr-01-12
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  HeMateMe: Most lawsuits against teams for medical reasons fail, or are settled out of court for relatively small sums. The doctor may be a private contractor, and not an actual employee of the "Kansas City Chiefs Organization" or the "Baltimore Ravens organization."

There is an important distinction. The contractor is on his own. It's his/her butt if the player sues the team, and medical consultant/team doctor had the guy cleared to play when he should not have been playing.

Pretty easy distinction when someone has a torn hammy or dislocated shoulder. But what about concussions? The symptoms can be disguised or hidden. I think lawyers for Jerry Jones, the McCaskey family et. al., have it set up so that the player will have to sign off on playing, after an injury is noted, and the team doctor (contractor, not employee) also has to sign off, writings exist.

Thus, if the doctor is thought to be negligent or incompetent by a jury, he/she is liable for damages, and not the team--unless the team had very clear indications that the physician was incompetent, in general, and should not be retained.

Its tough for the player to prove damages.

Apr-02-12
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  FSR: <Shams: <HeMateMe> Actually I think the lawsuits are quite a significant threat to the NFL.

Football is on its way out, it's only a matter of time. I just hope the Seahawks can win one before it's over.>

Why? Boxing still exists, and it's gotta be even worse for one's brain than football. If people can consent to punch each other in the head (and elsewhere) in boxing, I don't see why they can't consent to play football. Personally I'd probably ban them both, but so what?

Apr-02-12  King Death: < HeMateMe: ...But what about concussions? The symptoms can be disguised or hidden...>

Especially in the macho world of football where it takes a cold day in hell before most players will admit that they aren't able to function. Even with things changing in the NFL some players are fighting against it like crazy, they want to go back out and hit anything that wears another uniform.

Apr-02-12
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  Jim Bartle: "Boxing still exists,"

Not because it causes brain damage, but boxing's popularity is a shadow of what it was twenty or thirty years ago, and I've read even that was nothing compared to the fifties and earlier.

Apr-02-12
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  HeMateMe: Nine of the top ten most watched television programs last year were NFL football games. Those were playoff games, and the ocassional great matchup, like New England v. Pittsburgh, stuff like that.

I don't understand why boxing fell by the roadside. I guess its all these more in your face violent sports like Ultimate Fighting and full contact karate.

It would help if there was some cohesian regarding who is in fact world champion, in various weight classes. I don't even know who is heavyweight champ right now. I used to always watch Ali, when his fights were televised. Sometimes that was on Saturday afternoon, sometimes at night. of course that was back when there were only a few channels of TV, and people had less to choose from.

Although a lot of people have gotten rich from HBO boxing, like Oscar Dela Hoya, I think pay per view has hurt the sport. It has kept the average fan from seeing a great fight, and demanding more. Now and then a charismatic fighter like Manny P. is on the scene, but it is slim pickings.

Apr-02-12
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  Jim Bartle: Not saying what effect this has had, but when I was a kid there were eight weight classes and one champion in each. Now there are something like 14 weight classes and three champions in most of them.

Funny thing is, the money boxers earned seemed to be as much as ever. At least what they announce they earn. Hard to know how much the Don Kings end up taking.

Funny thing about pay-per-view. It in effect replaced closed-circuit broadcasts at a local movie theater. The biggest fights were never on free TV. I wonder what effect that's had. I'll bet the atmosphere at some of those closed-circuit fights was wild.

Apr-02-12
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  HeMateMe: I remember closed circuit tv. Ray Leonard v. Roberto Duran, Ray Leonard's fights. Marvin Hagler. Larry Holmes. There seems to be about two big fights out there now--Manny P v. Floyd Mayweather and...well, thats pretty much it. Manny is the only fighter that draws real interest these days. bernard Hopkins is over the hill, as is Mayweather.

I do remember when Oscar De Lahoya tried to come back at a late age, his 30s, to take on Manny Pacquio. Geez, what a nightmare. Manny said "These are my fists. Thats the canvas. You will be well acquainted, soon."

Apr-02-12
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  Jim Bartle: When Ali was fighting (and before as well), when Tyson was champ, and when the Leonard/Hearns/Hagler/Duran group was fighting, interest in boxing spread well beyond serious fight fans (I'm an example). Maybe it was because most were Americans, but also because they had interesting personalities. Now, not so much, not that I'm trying to learn much about any fighters.
Apr-02-12
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  talisman: i remember the Gillette tuesday night fights...everybody knew who the heavyweight champion was...light heavy, middleweight etc...then they started adding super to everthing and of course wba,wbc, wbo, ibf...now no one knows anything. i'd like to see boxing go back to the old days...much like chess with return of the interzonals.
Apr-02-12
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  Jim Bartle: Back in the days of Gillette even the contenders were celebrities. Today nobody even knows the champions.
Apr-03-12
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  HeMateMe: One of the great fights ever was the first Sugar Ray Leonard/Marvin Hagler fight. Ray Leonard had been retired for two years because of a detached retina. But, he was only about 30 years old, and was getting restless.

He asked his trainer, Angelo Dundee, to get him ready for one fight. Just one fight, not a new career, just one fight--a title shot against Hagler, for big bucks. The fight got scheduled. Hagler couldn't say no. It would be Marvin's biggest pay day ever.

You have to go to youtube and watch the entire fight, round by round. Hagler was built like Superman, minimized to 66% magnification. Leonard was a bit gangly by comparison, but had a longer arms and better footwork. Oh, he absorbed a physical beating. You can FEEL Hagler's body punches hitting you, right through your modem. Ray Leonard looked like he was going to either quit or die, when he entered the ring in each of the last three rounds.

But, somehow he outpointed Hagler and survived those body punches to pick up a narrow decision. And, his eye suffered no damage. One of the great fights ever, only a real man could absorb such a pounding, and come back each round to deliver the goods.

Ray Leonard, with his manager Mike TRainer, was quite intelligent in how he built his career. Right from the beginning he OWNED his own boxing telecasts when he formed the company "Sugar Ray Productions". Later, partnering with HBO, he made huge sums from his fights, from the television and ppv rights, not just from the usual fighters purse. For once, a Don King type hustler didn't get the best of a figher. I think Ray Leonard is worth over $50million. This is all described in his autobiography, which came out a couple of years ago.

Apr-03-12
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  Jim Bartle: Not to denigrate Leonard, but Hagler won that fight. If a person knowledgeable about boxing were to watch a tape of the fight without knowing the back stories, he would clearly give the decision to Hagler.

Leonard "won" because it was his dramatic comeback, and the judges were influenced by the fact that he managed to survive and fight back.

At least that was my opinion when I watched the fight, and the opinion of the friends I watched it with.

Apr-03-12
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  chancho: Leonard could not have beaten Marvelous Marvin in his prime.

By 1987, Marvin was not the same fighter.

Here's his title winning bout against Alan Minter in 1980:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfcx...

The fans reaction was embarrassing at fight's end.

Apr-03-12
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  Jim Bartle: He couldn't beat him in 1987, either. In my opinion.
Apr-03-12
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  chancho: <Jim> The decision could have gone either way. I thought Leonard won it at the time, but I have looked at the bout a few times since, and Hagler should have gotten the nod. To Hagler's credit he retired, and never fought again.
Apr-03-12
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  Jim Bartle: Given the situation, that Leonard had been retired and was returning after a long layoff, that Leonard was moving up in weight class to fight him (I think?), Hagler should have KOed Leonard and left no doubt. He didn't, and left it up to the judges. They erred in my opinion, but Hagler never should have let it get that far.
Apr-03-12
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  HeMateMe: I think you guys are being unfair to Ray Leonard. Marvin Hagler never beat the gallery of fighters (Iron man Barkley?) that Sugar had. I know Hagler was a fine champion, didn't duck anyone. But, if he was really better than Ray Leonard, who was fighting one or two weight classes higher than his best weight then he should have knocked out Leonard or clearly outpointed him. I think that's the key point. Ray Leonard was moving up, to fight a larger man in the larger man's natural weight class. That's why Sugar Ray took such a pounding in that fight. His face looked like a ping pong ball that had seen better days. But, he did win the fight.

Hagler must have been told that the media friendly Ray Leonard would have the inside edge, and that Marvin would have to win convincingly, to get the decision. He didn't do that. Ali probably won a couple of close decisions because of world knowledge of his great body of work. Ken Norton and Jimmy Young come to mind. It puts the onus on the outsider to prove he is as good as the superstar.

Burt Sugar died recently. Seems like the end of an era. Burt looked like the last of the old timers, beat up fedora, dirty trenchcoat and a stogie in his mouth. Like Oscar Madison, from the Odd Couple. Burt Sugar edited Ring magazine.

Apr-04-12  JohnDahl: The stats support the fact that Leonard edged the fight:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/M...

That Hagler was champion, that Hagler was the one continually coming forward, that Leonard's punches were more flash than substance are all insufficient reason to argue that Hagler deserved the benefit of the doubt.

My memory of the fight is not how good Leonard was but how one-paced and one-dimensional Hagler was.

<"But I saw something when Hagler fought [John] Mugabi. Mugabi, who was a puncher, a slugger, was able to outbox Hagler. So I knew that if I got into shape - not just physically, but mentally and spiritually - I could win.>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bendirs/...

Apr-04-12
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  Jim Bartle: Similar to what I remember.
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