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|Oct-20-14|| ||perfidious: <HMM> Seahawks have been in the NFC West for some years now.|
|Oct-20-14|| ||perfidious: Could <Ko-me> be the lodestone of Lakers' demise, just as he was the beacon which drew players to LA for so long? Interesting thesis here:|
|Oct-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: maybe Dwight Howard is smarter than people think. He got off the showtime cruise liner, just in time. They'll hit a big rock and sink this season. Boozer, Lin, with kobe & Nash, with their geriatric bodies...I wonder if the '72 Philly Sixers 9 win season is in jeopardy of being broken this year by the Fakers?|
|Oct-21-14|| ||plang: Cardinals are winning the Super Bowl - (though I admit to being biased)|
|Oct-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: I remember "the Cardiac Cards!" of the QB Jim Hart days, of the '70s. I'd turn on Sunday afternoon football, watch Jimmy the Greek make a fool of himself, get the snacks and watch some football.|
They haven't had a good team in quite a while. I can't see them getting past seattle, San Fran, Green Bay or Dallas.
|Oct-21-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Hart was an excellent QB, not much remembered today. Their next one was also good, too, Neil Lomax. Both from small colleges.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||unferth: <perfidious: Could <Ko-me> be the lodestone of Lakers' demise, just as he was the beacon which drew players to LA for so long? Interesting thesis here:|
that's gospel, every word of it, and it's been obvious to unbiased observers for quite some time. the reaction among lunatic Kobe loyalists here (and they are legion) is astonishing, if predictable--death threats directed at the writer, etc.
<HeMateMe: I wonder if the '72 Philly Sixers 9 win season is in jeopardy of being broken this year by the Fakers?>
nah, there's enough talent there to win 20 at least. Vegas has their over/under at 32.5, which feels high to me.
|Oct-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: Kobe could easily have another big injuy or series of small ones. I'd be surprised if he is in uniform for 50 games, at top health. Nash could miss half the season, too. This could be the year of the ten day contracts and rest-of-season contracts in Los Angeles. It won't be pretty.|
They will have a lot of cap space, in the near future, when they dump him. If any one of those high draft choices in recent years turn out to be good players they might leave the small markets and hook up together in LA.
Sports il did a story about Kobe recently. He runs a summer camp each year in China, I think sponsored by the shoe he wears. He gets rock star treatment, mobbed by citizens, the media. A select few get to be in the gym with him and do drills.
|Oct-21-14|| ||perfidious: <Jim> The thing I recall best about Hart, besides being very good as you say, albeit in the wrong division for the most part, was that he would have nothing at all to do with Lomax.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: Hart was around when Bud Grant was coaching the Vikes and Roger Staubach was in Dallas. The Cards were never going to get past those two teams.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||plang: The "Cardiac Cards" were a lot of fun but had a mediocre defense. The current Cards win with defense - big difference.|
In their last 15 regular season games dating back to the middle of last year they are 12-3 (and that is playing in the strongest division).
|Oct-21-14|| ||Jim Bartle: In the early 70s, when Hart arrived, the Cards were coming out of a terrible period with the team torn apart by racism. The racist leader was receiver Sonny Randle. It was dissected in detail in Sports Illustrated in its Black Athlete series.|
The Cards drafted a black friend of mine in the second round in 1970, and he was plenty worried. He played there for a number of years, but don't know how the racial situation was.
|Oct-21-14|| ||plang: As a Cardinal fan for more than 50 years I was interested in your post. A quick goggle of Randle led to quoted passages from Dave Meggyesy's book "Out of Their League". He detailed his first hand knowledge of racism within the Cardinal organization as a white player in the 60s. While Randle was part of the "southern clique" he is not mentioned as a leader. He was the most well known player in the clique however as he was an All-Pro. Randle went on to be Head Coach at 3 Division 1 Universities as well as into broadcasting which I doubt would have been possible if he had taken a leadership role as a racist.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||Jim Bartle: The SI article didn't name the player, but it came out it was Randle in all likelihood. Previously I had thought it was Charley Johnson.|
Look up the SI story. I don't see it and the new SI "vault" is a mess.
My friend was LB Don Parish. Remember him?
|Oct-21-14|| ||plang: No, I didn't remember Parish - he only played one full season.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||perfidious: <HMM> Not to mention Redskins, who usually won the East when Dallas did not and Rams, who were atop a weak NFC West year after year. Another team only broke that stranglehold on the NFC berth in the big game when Eagles were strong enough to get there in the 1980 season.|
|Oct-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: Ah, the 80s Eagles---high school emotion and a trip to the Super Bowl! They had that coach who used to cry after games, and in the press conferences. I can't remember his name. |
The Giants really sucked back then. So did the Packers. My two favorite teams were doormats. But--the 80s and the era of Phil Simms, L.T., Lynne Dickey and the amazing James Lofton was just around the corner...
|Oct-23-14|| ||HeMateMe: Nash is out for the season, back injury. Kobe is already resting, sitting out the last two preseason games, resting something. It's gonna be a train wreck in Los Angeles.|
Some guy did a really funny piece on why the Lakers can't gather any top talent. He had little cartoon puppet sized characters, that looked like Shaq, Kobe, and other NBA stars. He put Shaq on one side of the table and showed how all sorts of star players joined LA Shaq was there, but on the other side of the table the Kobe doll was all alone. No one wants to be on the same team as Ko-Me! Last season his salary was 52% of the team's cap and he didn't even play. Maybe the team needs new management?
I remember when Jordan came back to play, at age 39, same age as Kobe. He had spurts of brilliance, but also sometimes looked like a slow 40 year old guy. At least Jordan was healthy. Kobe will probably miss a lot of games, and in the games he plays he'll jack up 30 shots, make 10, get some free throws and say "Hey, I got my 20! What were the other guys doing?
Still, when kobe leaves the team will have huge cap space to completely rebuild the team. Good time to hire a real GM and tell that dumb kid who owns the team now to just be an owner and let professionals run the organization.
|Oct-23-14|| ||unferth: Kobe's 36, not 39 ... and for the billionth time, Mitch Kupchak has been an outstanding GM.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||HeMateMe: < and for the billionth time, Mitch Kupchak has been an outstanding GM.>|
it really shows. The Lakers have been a force, the past five years. One over the hill cripple has half the team's payroll. Why not acquire Kevin Garnett and Moses Malone, while your at it?
|Oct-24-14|| ||unferth: Kupchak has been GM for 14 years, not five, during which the Lakers have won five titles, been to the finals seven times, and missed the playoffs twice. in just the past five years, they've won a title (the second of back-to-back), been to two conference semifinals, and missed the playoffs once. most franchises would kill for a five-year run like that, let alone a 14-year one.|
yes, I know, you're going to credit Jerry West, who's been gone since 1999, with all that. you're wrong, again.
Laker insiders say it was the Buss heirs, not Kupchak, who pushed for Kobe's lunatic contract extension.
|Oct-24-14|| ||HeMateMe: Well, it WAS West who brought in the young kobe Bryant. I suppose it's a no win situation for a GM. Bryant, when healthy, was a driving force in their success. It's hard to tell the great ones when it's over, and you have to take a reduced role and less money. Jabber understood it, and was never a headache for the coach or GM. Magic Johnson couldn't live with being a mediocre player, and he retired after a short return from the five year layoff due to his AIDS condition.|
Bryant should have gotten a pay cut, not a raise, last time around.
|Oct-24-14|| ||chancho: Jerry West was Laker GM until around 2002.
(When he became GM of the Memphis Grizzlies)
He was the guy who got Kobe, (by trading Vlade Divac) he signed Shaq and then Phil Jackson as coach.
Adding Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, and Brian Shaw did not hurt either.
Mitch Kupchak is capable, but most of the pieces were in place by the time he took over.
|Oct-24-14|| ||perfidious: <unferth....the reaction among lunatic Kobe loyalists here (and they are legion) is astonishing, if predictable--death threats directed at the writer, etc.>|
Are you freaking kidding? The naivete and stupidity of some people never fails to astonish me.
<nah, there's enough talent there to win 20 at least. Vegas has their over/under at 32.5, which feels high to me.>
Sounds about right, and I'm willing to play line mover with a hypothetical half a mil or so on the under--Lakers are going to suck big-time.
|Oct-24-14|| ||HeMateMe: Who ARE the Lakers, this year? Bryant won't last half the season. Nash is already gone. Boozer and Lin are rotation guys, 6, 7 players, from the bench. Might look like scab ball at the Staples center. Watch the celebs quietly buy season tix for Clips, and get their faces on the jumbotron at Clips home games. Could be a wise investment to buy Lakers season tickets now, while prices are depressed. When Bryant leaves the city will again be a magnet for free agent talent.|
It really is the Kobe factor. free agents won't go there (the big names) until Kobe no longer blocks out the sun in LA.
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