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|Jul-23-16|| ||saffuna: In a couple of years, probably.|
|Jul-23-16|| ||perfidious: My preference would be for a private sesh with Ashley instead.|
|Jul-23-16|| ||HeMateMe: I think I could be converted
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: Drake is about the worst bandwagon fan ever.
Grew up in Canada and NYC but he's a Kentucky fan?
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: <Renaldo Nehemiah caught 43 passes for 754 yards over three seasons with Niners.>|
I went to school at NC State with a guy named Alvis Whitted. He ran a <10.02> in the 100m once, which makes him one of the fastest sprinters in the history of the NFL. One year he finished sixth in an Olympic trials heat that featured both Carl Lewis and Michael Johnson, narrowly missing the team.
But I think he could less than 100 passes in like 10 years in the league. The Jaguars used him as a 3rd receiver for a really long time but he was the classic example of the NFL's perennial attempt to convert the great sprinters who doesn't have major league hands.
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: <Which raises the question about Tom Brady. How long can Tom Terrific keep slinging it? I think he's 39. Says he wants to play till age 45, gonna play until "I suck.">|
Brady may have 5-7 more years in him, easily. If he wishes to play that long.
The NFL's rules are <VERY> protective of quarterbacks now, it's difficult to hit them hard without risking a whole range of penalties. And Brady is a master of getting rid of the ball safely and timely, a skill that eludes bad quarterbacks like Robert Griffin or Michael Vick.
And New England's schemes are specifically designed to protect him and play to his strengths, as well.
|Jul-25-16|| ||plang: Durant got booed yesterday - he better get used to it|
|Jul-25-16|| ||perfidious: <Bobster: Drake is about the worst bandwagon fan ever. |
Grew up in Canada and NYC but he's a Kentucky fan?>
Nah, he just wants an in with Ashley.
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: <Durant got booed yesterday - he better get used to it>|
Team USA's next game will be at Oracle Arena. I'm guessing he won't get booed there...
|Jul-25-16|| ||HeMateMe: some ex-player had some funny comments on Barkley the other day. Jason _____, used to play for the Sac Kings? 40 years old now. Says "What gives Barkley the right to criticize Durant? Just because no one wanted Barkley's sorry ass on their team?"|
|Jul-25-16|| ||saffuna: Sounds like Jason Williams ("White Chocolate"). And to be funny, there has to be a kernel of truth at the heart of a comment. And he's just wrong to say nobody wanted Barkley.|
|Jul-25-16|| ||HeMateMe: yes, it was Jason Williams. well, Barkley had several good years with Phoenix. They made the finals. Once Philly could no longer build a winner around Charles he demanded a trade and got in with the high scoring group that included Dan Majerle, Kevin Johnson and Danny Ainge. Apparently they lacked an all star front line defender, or they could have won an NBA title.|
I'd say that philly ownership was most accommodating to Barkley. They put up with his big mouth for years without a complaint, then traded him to a Phoenix Suns team that was a good match for him.
He did just what Durant has done, but without as much choice or flexibility. what if Free agency had been in place when Chuck played? Suppose he tells the Chicago Bulls "I'm in! Me and Mike! were gonna win even MORE titles, now that I'm aboard!"
I wonder if Phil Jax would even want him? If you play Barkley, then Pippen has to sit. Or, you play them both, but Barkley plays power forward, against Kemp, McHale, Malone, et al. That would leave the Bulls a little undersized up front. I'm not sure every elite team would want Barkley joining, even though he was an all-star in his prime. His physique and/or baggage could be a deterrent.
Maybe the Knicks. They always needed another scorer, to help Ewing. But--it was Patrick's team. He made that clear. Barkley was never able to subjugate his ego. I wonder if he could have played for a no B.S. allowed coach like Pat Riley? Riley demands every player on the floor plays defense. Chuck might have to look up the word in the dictionary.
|Jul-25-16|| ||saffuna: Williams' point was nobody wanted Barkley on their team. Totally false. He went to Houston when he was already 35, so that's not a fair claim. Remember, Michael Jordan RETIRED from the Bulls, a second time, at age 35.|
Jason Williams himself started out like gangbusters but his overly flashy play soon got him traded, with Nick Anderson (a very good player), for Mike Bibby.
He was the point guard for the 2006 champion Heat, so he has that on the positive side.
|Jul-25-16|| ||saffuna: <If you play Barkley, then Pippen has to sit. Or, you play them both, but Barkley plays power forward, against Kemp, McHale, Malone, et al. That would leave the Bulls a little undersized up front. >|
Barkley would have replaced Horace Grant the first three years, Rodman the second three, if he had played on those Bulls teeams.
He guarded power forwards all his life, why would it have been different with Chicago. (I should say "guarded." He was not what you call a gritty defender.)
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: Well, to this day Scottie Pippen claims that Michael Jordan warned him not to join Barkley in Houston, saying that Barkley didn't have the "dedication" it takes to ever win a title. |
Either way, Charles Barkley post-Philadelphia was quite fond of holding the ball for long periods, usually backing his man down in the paint while dribbling, dribbling, dribbling. That wouldn't have been a great fit for what the Bulls were doing on offense, and they didn't need another volume shooter anyway. For the purposes of <winning> Horace Grant was a much better fit.
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: Yeah, the top of Charles Barkley's head was only around 6 feet, 4 inches off the ground but he had a freakish arm reach that matched pretty much any 6-8 or 6-9 guy in the league in that day. So, he really wasn't necessarily <undersized> technically speaking.|
|Jul-25-16|| ||saffuna: I think I can say confidently that the Jordan/Pippen Bulls would not have won any more titles with Barkley than with Grant and then Rodman.|
Still I am 100% confident that if Philly had called up chicago in 1991 and said "I'll give you Barkley for Grant straight up,·" Krausse would have accepted in three seconds. And it would have been a better team.
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: Jason Williams made Gary Payton smile:
|Jul-25-16|| ||WannaBe: Sir Charles wow'd the field with a score of minus 100! (About half-way down the article)|
How's that 6000-1 odds lookin'??
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: I can't understand how Charles Barkley can still be this bad at golf after all of these years. Get some lessons, dude.|
|Jul-25-16|| ||WannaBe: <Bob3K> Sir Chuck does not need lessons, he's doing just fine. YouTube need more clips of him out there on the course.|
Hilarity ensues!!! =)
|Jul-25-16|| ||WannaBe: From ESPN's Chalk Page:
<David Payne Purdum
Odds to win PGA Championship @LVSuperBook:
D. Johnson 8/1
Sir Chuck 1000000000000/1
Place your bets now!!!
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: I had Chuck at 1000-1 to even win an NBA title|
|Jul-25-16|| ||HeMateMe: Barkley laughed at David Robinson's golfing, when the Dream Team was in Monaco, 'training' for the '92 Olympics. He referred to his game as "Long and Wrong" on the links.|
I'd have to agree with Bob. Barkely would have demanded the ball, on a team that had uber shooters Jordan, Pip and a reasonably talented point guard, BJ Armstrong. Rodman won the NBA rebounding title and was all defensive team. he was the interior glue, and was also quick enough to help other players with their assignments, a perfect fit for those Bulls teams.
I didn't realize chuck was already 35 when joining the Rockets, too late to be an impact player. In the world of free agency he probably would have left college at age 20, played for the up and down Sixers till age 27, about what LeBron did in Cleveland, then left for free agency.
Could he have joined Phi Slamma Jamma while still young? Interesting. I think Clyde Drexler was their small forward and they had a large, non-shooting power forward. On a running team, with Olajuwon to guard the basket, a young Barkley could have played PF and made them a better team, perhaps good enough to beat the Bulls?
Or, if really desperate he could have gone to the Knicks or the crumbling Celtics.
|Jul-25-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: Barkley had serious weight issues in college, believe it or not. :-)|
He hit 300 pounds while there one year, but still dominated. That's when he got the "round mound of rebound" moniker. It was very common for the referees to have to stop games in which he played because he would dunk and the whole basket would sway for minutes, the goals weren't built as well back then...
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