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|Dec-04-13|| ||HeMateMe: Yeah, that was terrific. Oak was great, and says "I never wanted to be traded out of Chicago. They still boo me when I come back." The Knicks get a solid rebounder, low post defender, and Mr. Bill (he was kind of soft) goes to Chicago.|
I think it was Dave Checketts.
just saw in the news that Steelers coach Mike Tomlinson got fined $100,000 for blocking the field during that kick return. Kind of expensive, considering that Pittsburgh isn't going to the playoffs anyway.
|Dec-04-13|| ||Strongest Force: JB's point is good which is why you need knowledgeable scouts pounding the beat in high school.|
Some say if Nix lose badly to Nets Thursday Woodson will need a new job.
|Dec-04-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Things haven't gone well for Kidd either.|
|Dec-04-13|| ||HeMateMe: he has "reassigned" Lawrence Frank, his top assistant. Frank has been a head coach before, with this same team, when they were the Jersey Nets. |
Translation: Frank wasn't delivering the wins that Jason Kidd is supposed to deliver.
|Dec-04-13|| ||perfidious: Frank has got himself a lawyer.|
|Dec-05-13|| ||HeMateMe: I guess Lawrence Frank wants to work. The contract he signed is for $1M per year, six years. That Russian who owns the team has pretty deep pockets. (Khoderkovsky?)|
Maybe Frank would like to see half of it, and he will then sever ties and go off and coach somewhere else.
|Dec-05-13|| ||refutor: funny how people think that ex-players who have never coached a game in their life, are better for a team than an ex-coach or a college coach. if Brooklyn does well this year it won't be Kidd's fault ;)|
|Dec-05-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Except Kidd sort of had the repuation of a coach on the floor." I'll bet Nash could move straight to head coach.|
Dave DeBusschere was Pistons player/coach at age 23. Didn't work out that well.
|Dec-06-13|| ||HeMateMe: Bird would be the exception to the rule. He did pretty well behind the bench in Indiana, with zero experience. Magic Johnson, on the other hand, coached the Los Angeles Lakers for a short time and lost patience with players who weren't...magic.|
I think Danny Ainge coached Phoenix for a year or two, with mixed results. He went in with little or no NBA coaching experience.
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Bird was the exception to many rules.|
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: On one of his NBA preview videos with Bill Simmons, Jalen Rose goes out of his way to praise Larry Bird for improving his (Rose's) game at Indiana.
|Dec-06-13|| ||Strongest Force: Frank wants a "buyout", whatever that means. I guess he don't want to sit at a dunce-desk for six years.|
The 'higher powers' of the Nets are still 100% behind Kidd but he must soon stop the bleeding; it's bad Kidd has 4 players injured but the big-boys upstairs still want results.
|Dec-06-13|| ||tamar: Just from watching his demeanor in summer league and the start of this season, Kidd won't last.|
He deferred responsibility to Frank as part of his own signing, then drew offense when Frank took an assertive role in practices.
It may be that his skill as a motivator was on-court, and that as a coach he is just uncomfortable telling players they aren't cutting it.
It happened to Jerry West. Some great players are only fair coaches.
|Dec-06-13|| ||HeMateMe: <tamar> That's certainly a good point. West was super as a GM, hard to figure out why he couldn't be effective as a coach. Maybe he was too close to the game, when he started coaching the Lakers? He retired at age 36 and almost immediately began coaching his Lakers. He must have still known people on the team. Certainly he's an intelligent guy.|
Ex-players like Phil Jackson and Larry Brown did great as coaches. People like Michael Jordan and Kevin McHale failed miserably as GMs.
How did McHale keep that job in Minnesota for ten years? Did he have Bob Dylan come in to do halftime shows?
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Often the really great player isn't a great coach because they were so talented they don't know how hard it is to do what they do. They don't realize their players don't have the same skill, and they are unable to communicate how to improve. This happened with Ted Williams and Bill Russell (post-Celts), and others. Of course there are exceptions. Backup catchers and second-string point guards often make the best coaches/managers.|
The difficulty with West may be that he was such a perfectionist, so self-critical (he suffers because the Lakers didn't when the title every year when he played) that he couldn't manage a less-than-great team. Again, maybe.
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: From the SI story wondering whether Garnett was going to go pro straight out of high school:|
<We have no idea if Garnett will be generous and true, and there is still a question about him being fierce, too.>
I think he answwered the "fierce" question.
|Dec-06-13|| ||HeMateMe: Jb, thanks for reminding me about Russ-he DID fail at something! He coached the Seattle supersonics for a few years, and didn't really win anything. I guess he got fired or was told to "resign" after a few mediocre years. |
He was so successful as a player, then player/coach in Boston, that one forgets he moved to Seattle to take their coaching job. He still lives there, on a residential island. Maybe it's the same one Bill Gates lives on?
I think Russell the player/coach benefitted immensely from having the great Auerbach players on his team, and these are the guys he knew so well from a decade of playing with them. Little coaching was needed.
Not so in Seattle, different situation. I remember reading about his coaching style, "delegation", where he would have a defensive specialist run the D drills, then have someone else run the offense for him, as Russ sat back and watched, or maybe wasn't even in the gym. I can't think of any coaches who would be successful in that system.
Russ was also considered mediocre as a color commentator, another job he has held, on and off.
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: In Boston, Coach Russell had an outstanding center, and they had good rapport. In Seattle, Coach Russell didn't.|
True, Russell was not a great commentator. Spent too much time cackling.
Barkley and Steve Kerr did color at the Knicks-Nets "game" last night. Barkley said he'd come over on the subway, and had loved it.
Kerr replied, "Well, Chuck, you can do that. But I can't. Every time I step outside I'm besieged by autograph hunters and admirers. It's impossible."
|Dec-06-13|| ||tamar: <HeMateMe> West as a coach wasn't a failure. Always had a winning record, but with Kareem the expectations were very high.|
I think it was a mistake for management to load the roster with ex-Celtics. I see it fraying more and more.
|Dec-06-13|| ||unferth: <Jim Bartle> reminds me of this:|
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: That's hilarious.|
|Dec-06-13|| ||tamar: I liked Russell as a broadcaster, but probably because his comments were like chess annotations. |
He would point out angles that the players should be taking, and what they should be thinking.
So he did seem like a killjoy to some, seeing the ideal play when his colleague was saying things like "Wow what a play!"
He recognized he wasn't perfect in the role, and gave it up. "The most successful television is done in eight-second thoughts, and the things I know about basketball, motivation and people go deeper than that."
|Dec-06-13|| ||Jim Bartle: No offense to Russell, but Hubie Brown has pretty deep, precise thoughts, and he can get them out in eight seconds. He often gets a head start by describing what's going to happen before it happens.|
Steve Kerr and Doug Collins are also very good among ex-players.
|Dec-07-13|| ||Strongest Force: The mutant-ninja-turtle-nix it seems have once again found their superpowers. It's amazing what you can do when you want to win bad enough. Melo even passes the ball!|
|Dec-07-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I noticed that. Maybe that was an impostor in Anthony's uniform.|
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