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|Oct-30-14|| ||perfidious: <unferth> Bumgarner's performance inspired memories of Pedro Martinez' stint in the decisive fifth game in the 1999 divisional round at Cleveland: six scoreless innings for the win.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Strongest Force: ...Bumgarner...bum-rushed the Royals...
I hope PJ gives some of that million-per-month salary to a nice charity while the pathetic Nix take a half a season trying to learn The Triangle. His lady, Lakers owner, says he doesn't care about money...hmm...
Bron and company should have much fun tonite against Nix.
|Oct-30-14|| ||perfidious: <HMM> A minor point: Krause did not even draft Pippen, as Seattle selected him fifth in that first round in 1987. Bulls picked the immortal Olden Polynice three spots later and sent him west, also acquiring future picks.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <perfidious> Wait, Seattle picked a guy fifth and then shipped him <and other picks> to acquire the player that was drafted eighth? Ugh.|
<[Being shipped for less than nothing has] got to make Lin feel good about himself.>
Isn't that not uncommon in the NBA?
|Oct-30-14|| ||unferth: <perfidious: Bumgarner's performance inspired memories of Pedro Martinez' stint in the decisive fifth game in the 1999 divisional round at Cleveland: six scoreless innings for the win.>|
I remember watching that game and being stunned that Cleveland's manager (Mike Hargrove) left his starter (Charles Nagy) in long enough to give up eight runs in three innings--after leaving Bartolo Colon in the night before to give up seven in one inning. his bullpen was in tatters, but with a series on the line, a manager has got to have a quicker hook than that, tired arms be damned.
|Oct-30-14|| ||perfidious: <Shams> As the saying is, you can't make that s*** up: |
<(Pippen) was selected fifth overall in the 1987 NBA Draft by the Seattle SuperSonics and traded to the Chicago Bulls for Olden Polynice and future draft pick options.>
This utterly defies logic, but what do I know, anyway?
|Oct-30-14|| ||Jim Bartle: It was arranged beforehand, that Chicago would get Pippen. Just like Kobe and the Lakers in 1996.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <JB> Help me make sense of that. If Seattle wanted Polynice they could have just nabbed him at 5 and kept the future draft picks.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||unferth: not quite so baffling as that:
June 22, 1987: Traded by the Seattle SuperSonics with a 1989 1st round draft pick (Jeff Sanders was later selected) to the Chicago Bulls for Olden Polynice, a 1988 2nd round draft pick (Sylvester Gray was later selected) and a 1989 1st round draft pick (B.J. Armstrong was later selected).
still an awful deal for the Sonics, though.
|Oct-30-14|| ||unferth: on closer inspection, that deal gets even worse; Seattle got B.J. Armstrong as part of the package, then immediately traded him BACK to Chicago for the walking corpse of Brad Sellers. I've forgotten who was running the Sonics in those days, but whoever he was, he deserves a plaque--hell, a statue--inside the United Center.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||perfidious: In case anyone ever wondered how Sonics went from fine team to horsebleep, see above.......|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <Help me make sense of that. If Seattle wanted Polynice they could have just nabbed him at 5 and kept the future draft picks.>|
I don't understand the ins and outs, but I am quite sure Chicago told Seattle to pick Pippen, that the deal was arranged beforehand.
<June 22, 1987: Traded by the Seattle SuperSonics with a 1989 1st round draft pick (Jeff Sanders was later selected) to the Chicago Bulls for Olden Polynice, a 1988 2nd round draft pick (Sylvester Gray was later selected) and a 1989 1st round draft pick (B.J. Armstrong was later selected).>
So basically, besides flipping 1st round picks when Chicago looked to have a better one, Chicago gave up a second round pick to move up from 8 to 5. Is that right?
|Oct-30-14|| ||Jim Bartle: If you want to see nutty draft trades, look at Magic Johnson and Charles Barkley.|
The Lakers basically got the Magic pick for sending Gail Goodrich to New Orleans where he would form an all-century backcourt with Pete Maravich. Goodrich was already 33 years old.
The Sixers got the Barkley pick from the Clips for World B. Free.
Both picks were years in the future when traded. So it seems smart to be patient and get a good pick years in advance. You never know what will happen.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <JB> <So basically, besides flipping 1st round picks when Chicago looked to have a better one, Chicago gave up a second round pick to move up from 8 to 5. Is that right?>|
Ok so at least there was a logic to it. But what if Polynice had gone 6 or 7? I guess the Sonics would have kept Pippen or there was another player they liked too that Chicago would have grabbed.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Jim Bartle: I don't think Seattle or any other team had Pippen pegged as a first-round pick. Certainly Seattle took a risk by dropping from 5 to 8, receiving a second and probably a better first in exchange.|
This may be thinking from years later, but I really don't think anybody thought Polynice was a player to fight for in the draft.
Players taken 6 and 7 were Kenny Smith and Kevin Johnson, one ordinary and one brilliant, and players taken later included Reggie Miller, Derrick McKey, Horace Grant and Mark Jackson.
I wonder how the guy who picked Smith over Johnson feels today. Funny thing, I thought Kenny Smith would be an All-Star as well. Turned out he's only an All-Star TV commentator.
|Oct-30-14|| ||HeMateMe: Kenny smith was a consistent, solid ballplayer. New Jersey Net.|
I can't remember the Polynice deal. I guess that's why people considered Pippen a Chicago draft choice, if it was an arranged draft and trade. who knew division III baller Pip would be so great? Polyneace was projected to be another Buck Williams or Maurice Lucas. Can't blame the Sonics for going for a big guy. They did pretty well drafting Jack Sikma and Marvin Barnes. They knocked the Walton Trailblazers out of the playoffs, one year.
|Oct-30-14|| ||chancho: Well, the Cavs look like User: caca so far. |
44 to 42 halftime.
But it is their first game of the season though.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <hmm> I think the Sonics knocked the Walton-injured Blazers out of the playoffs.|
And I think you mean Marvin Webster.
|Oct-30-14|| ||keypusher: Would have been funny if they had nicknamed him <Bad Words Webster>.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Jim Bartle: You mean because he was known as <The Human Eraser>?|
|Oct-30-14|| ||chancho: The Cadaverliers lost.
|Oct-30-14|| ||WannaBe: That Phil Jackson is pure magic!!!
|Oct-30-14|| ||perfidious: It will be remembered that the first edition of Miami Heat as superteam stumbled out of the gate, going 9-8 to open before playing better than .750 the rest of the way.|
Takes time to gel with all that new personnel, and it would come as no surprise to me if Cavs did not win the title--this time round, as they did not in spring 2011.
|Oct-31-14|| ||keypusher: <Jim Bartle: You mean because he was known as <The Human Eraser>?>|
I didn't even know that. I was just thinking of Bad News Barnes and making a lame play on "Webster."
|Oct-31-14|| ||Strongest Force: What a difference a day and game makes! After losing to the Bulls by 24 coach DF said Nix needed to play more "D". They did that against Cavs but I think pre-game hype motivated them. The true verdict comes when we have a larger sample. However, Phil Jackson is looking good now.|
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