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|Nov-25-15|| ||WannaBe: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...|
This guy's falling faster than the oil prices in Texas.
|Nov-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: Johnny, we hardly knew 'ya...
Other guys who pissed it all away--serial gambler qb Art Schlicter.
"Between 1995 and 2006, he served the equivalent of 10 years in 44 various prisons and jails across the Midwest. His various legal problems, including fraud cases and forgery, among others, were often well-publicized. For example, he was so consumed by his habit that he had his public defender smuggle a cell phone into prison so he could place bets.
He later said that he hit rock bottom in 2004, after he was caught gambling in prison. He was placed in solitary confinement for four months.
He was released from prison on June 16, 2006 and resided with his mother in Washington Court House, Ohio. By one estimate, he owes half a million dollars in restitution.
On September 15, 2011 Schlichter was sentenced to 10 years in state prison for his involvement in a million-dollar ticket scam. While under house arrest awaiting assignment to a state prison, Schlichter tested positive for cocaine while serving a house arrest sentence on federal charges resulting from the same case (and while still on probation from his Indiana sentence) on January 19, 2012. As a result of the positive drug test, Schlicter was sentenced to 10 years, 7 months in federal prison (up from an original 8 years, 4 months sentence originally agreed to on the fraud case) to be served concurrently with the Ohio sentence, plus $2.2 million in restitution; the Indiana probation was canceled with the federal sentence."
Ryan Leaf, using drugs and stealing drugs and stealing money to get more drugs, I think. I guess he's in lock up too, either Montanna or in Texas. He's in jail now, long stretch for B & E conviction.
I forget who drafted Leaf, was it Seattle? I guess they could have used 15 years of Peyton Manning, they would have won some more games, that's for certain.
Well, if you're in jail and you need to place a bet, just get ahold of Arty.
|Nov-25-15|| ||WannaBe: Okay, now that GS have broken history, let's examine the other end of the spectrum (history). Courtesy of ESPN:|
Longest losing streak to start a season: 18 games (New Jersey Nets, 2009).
Longest losing streak (Pro): 26 (Tampa Bay Bucs, 76ers, and Cleveland)
MLB (23 Philadelphia), NHL (17 Washington Caps & San Jose Sharks)
Longest losing streak (NCAA) 41: Towson basketball, and 34: NorthWestern football.
The next 5 games for Philadelphia:
Tue v LAL
|Nov-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <I forget who drafted Leaf, was it Seattle? I guess they could have used 15 years of Peyton Manning, they would have won some more games, that's for certain.>|
San Diego. They couldn't have drafted Manning because he was already gone. They did pass on Charles Woodson (still playing) and Randy Moss.
The really bad choice, though not for personality reasons, was the 49ers taking Spurrier with the #3 pick in 1967 instead of Bob Griese.
|Nov-25-15|| ||chancho: You guys want to talk about NFL busts?
How about Tony Manderich?
|Nov-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Yeah, but were there any good players still available? Barry Sanders, Deion Sanders, Derrick Thomas?|
|Nov-25-15|| ||chancho: I just realized... we've HAD this conversation before. lol...|
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|Nov-25-15|| ||chancho: The worst pick ever made according to ESPN:
<<<<<<<<<1. Sam Bowie, Portland Trail Blazers (No. 2, 1984)
It's not that Bowie was an awful player; it's who was drafted right after him: Michael Jordan (the Rockets took Hakeem Olajuwon first overall).
But the Blazers should have known better: The 7-1 center had missed two full seasons at Kentucky with a stress fracture in his left shinbone; sure enough, his NBA career was sabotaged by injuries and he played just 139 games in five years with Portland before moving to the Nets.>
Why Bowie? The Blazers were fixated on drafting a center. According to a UPI story at the time, "The biggest disappointment of the draft, though, came weeks ago when Portland lost the coin flip for the No. 1 choice in the draft. The flip went to the Houston Rockets, who selected University of Houston center Akeem ''The Dream'' Olajuwon. … Before the coin flip, Portland was fined $250,000 for improper contact with Olajuwon and Georgetown center Patrick Ewing.>
Did the Bulls know what they were getting in Jordan? Not necessarily. In fact, there are indications they would have preferred Bowie as well. "In the past there has been a lot of trades but we were 98 percent positive on Jordan," Bulls general manager Rod Thorn said on draft day. "I only wish he were 7-1. The fans will enjoy watching him play and we expect we'll have an easier time signing him than we have had in signing other draft choices.>
"We would like to sign him as soon as possible. If we had received good offers for a trade we would have made it, but it would have taken an overpowering offer.">
So what if the Blazers had drafted Jordan? How many titles would they have won? They already had Clyde Drexler, who is pretty much a clone for the Scottie Pippen role. The rest of the roster was certainly much more talented than what Jordan had in his early days with the Bulls (Portland had won 48 games in the '83-84 season). Jerome Kersey was drafted in the second round in '84 and forwards Kiki Vandeweghe and Mychal Thompson were both big-time scorers. The next year, the Blazers drafted Terry Porter late in the first round.>
That's a heck of a nucleus. (In fact, the Drexler-Kersey-Porter nucleus was good enough to make two NBA Finals on its own.) Add Jordan to the mix and the Blazers win eight straight championships starting in 1987. No Lakers repeat. No Bad Boys Pistons. No Bulls dynasty.>
Of course … don't the Mavs have Barkley, Stockton, Dumars, Aguirre, Blackmon, Harper and Schrempf?>
|Nov-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Bob Knight had Jordan on the Olympic team. He was friends with the Portland management and told them to take Jordan no matter what. They said, "But we need a centre!" Knight said, "Then play him at center."|
|Nov-25-15|| ||plang: <WannaBe: Okay, now that GS have broken history, let's examine the other end of the spectrum (history). Courtesy of ESPN:>|
Last 2 games 76ers have had double digit leads - they are getting closer. I predict they will break streak in next 7 days
|Nov-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: I predict when they do win it will be by more than 10 points. They seem to get nervous and fold at the end of close games.|
|Nov-25-15|| ||WannaBe: <plang> & <Jim Bartle> Be hilarious, if PHI breaks the streak by beating Flakers at home.|
Flakers would be the answer to two trivia questions, for the '15-'16 NBA season!
|Nov-25-15|| ||plang: I remember clearly the NFL draft with Manning and Leaf. They were considered to be virtual equals. There was no question that they would be the first two players chosen - the only question was which one would be drafted first.|
|Nov-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: I thought the big debate, back in the day was Leaf and Manning, and they were supposed to go 1-2 in the draft? I must be thinking northwest, because Leaf was from Washington state.|
Aren't Spurrier and Griese roughly equal in ability? Miami won with defense and balance, not because of Griese's arm.
|Nov-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Griese was a great quarterback; Spurrier pretty ordinary.|
Griese didn't pass much but he was a threat and opened the field for Csonka and Morris. And somebody had to throw passes to the great Paul Warfield.
|Nov-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: I guess it helps if you have...Csonka, Morris, Warfield, Kick and a shut down defense...|
I don't like this:
I don't recall Kareem, Magic, Bird or McHale doing things like that.
|Nov-25-15|| ||perfidious: <plang....(Ben) Simmons of LSU is considered close to a lock to be 1st pick in next year draft - considered to be the strongest prospect in several years>|
Hope Nets get hot, so as to avoid pick numero uno.
|Nov-25-15|| ||Jim Bartle: A lot of players did. And do. Bird did it at times, Jordan did, Garnett and LeBron certainly. And what about Duncan? He is the biggest look-at-me showoff of all time.|
|Nov-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: u don't like the Brooklyn Nets?|
|Nov-25-15|| ||perfidious: <HMM> Do not care about Nets one way or t'other, but their first-round pick in next summer's draft goes to Bawston as part of the disastrous trade for Pierce and Garnett I referred to above.|
The way Nets have played so far, they are bound for the lottery on the killtown express.
|Nov-25-15|| ||WannaBe: Still early (3 minutes before the half) Philadelphia have a lead over Boston. Total second half collapse by 76ers are still possible.|
|Nov-25-15|| ||WannaBe: 76ers up by 8, 4th qtr. Have to take friends to SFO. Gonna miss the end of the game, have to catch up to it later. =(|
|Nov-25-15|| ||chancho: Sixers remain winless... 80-84.|
|Nov-25-15|| ||WannaBe: Annnnnnnd the streak continues for them poor Philly. Ouch. I tell ya, that Flakers game could be the one!!|
|Nov-25-15|| ||perfidious: Tough one in Bawston tonight--Sixers had a double-digit lead in the fourth. Maybe Celtics were hung over after getting crushed in Atlanta last night.|
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