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|May-27-17|| ||HeMateMe: I assume Bosh is running, staying in shape. He's still alive. Maybe it is safe to play? Miami seems to have moved on though. I think he could take less money and play elsewhere. Miami would still have to make up the difference. The player's assoc can't stop Bosch from working, just because his most recent team doesn't want him. That makes no sense.|
Jim bunning passed away today at age 85. He was a HOFer and former US senator.
At first I thought the article said "Jim Bouton" who wrote this widely read book:
<Ball Four is a book written by former Major League Baseball pitcher Jim Bouton in 1970. The book is a diary of Bouton's 1969 season, spent with the Seattle Pilots (during the club's only year in existence) and then the Houston Astros following a late-season trade. In it Bouton also recounts much of his baseball career, spent mainly with the New York Yankees. Despite its controversy at the time, with baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn's attempts to discredit it and label it as detrimental to the sport, it is considered to be one of the most important sports books ever written and the only sports-themed book to make the New York Public Library's 1996 list of Books of the Century. It also is listed in Time magazine's 100 greatest non-fiction books of all time.>
I've not read it, but I think Bouton touched on players drinking too much, boinking other players wives, maybe drug use, lots of no-no topics about America's pristine 'pastime.'
|May-27-17|| ||unferth: yeah, that's about right. I haven't picked it up in years, but it's extremely tame by modern standards. if he'd written it in 1990, maybe even 1980, he'd have had a tough time finding a publisher.|
|May-27-17|| ||unferth: <Chris Bosh is owed something like $49 million for the next 2 seasons. No team is likely to want to pick that up, and he cannot take a pay cut - either Miami or the next team has to pay, but Miami is able to get out from under a significant amount due to insurance.|
If he plays 25 games then that makes it even worse for the Heat, as his salary kicks back in under the cap for their purposes.>
pretty sure his buyout takes care of most of that:
|May-27-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: <pretty sure his buyout takes care of most of that:>|
I think that Chris Bosh was actually released, rather than bought out. That means he won't be a cheapo for the next team.
And he still has to be cleared medically.
He's a great guy and a phenomenal player, though. My favorite highlight of him was his play in the 2008 Olympics, that team crushed their way back to reclaiming the Gold.
|May-27-17|| ||HeMateMe: Diana Taurasi was being paid $500k/season by a Russian basketball team. Then the team's owner, a former KGB agent, got killed by criminals:|
|May-28-17|| ||plang: <Jim bunning passed away today at age 85. He was a HOFer and former US senator.>|
1) won 100 games in each league
2) pitched a no-hitter in each league (one was a perfect game)
3) struck out 1,000 in each league
The only other pitcher to do that was Cy Young
|May-28-17|| ||saffuna: Bunning won 57 games in three years without winning 20 any year. I doubt that record will be broken.|
Gene Mauch went to starting him every third day at the end of the 1964 season, leading to disaster as he lost three straight after going 18-5 up to that point.
|May-28-17|| ||HeMateMe: this is probably beating a dead horse, but if Bob Feller, Bunning and Nolan Ryan could pitch every third day and throw 7-9 innings, why do these guys today get pulled after five innings and pitch every fifth day? Those old school guys all lasted 20 years or longer, the extra work didn't seem to hurt their arms or pitching quality.|
|May-28-17|| ||saffuna: < this is probably beating a dead horse, but if Bob Feller, Bunning and Nolan Ryan could pitch every third day and throw 7-9 innings,>|
When did those guys start every third day? When Bunning did it he lost every game.
Plus you are just looking at the successes, the guys who didn't get hurt. Think of how many potentially great pitcherrs did get injured and had their careers cut short? What about Sandy Koufax? Kerry Wood? Gary Nolan?
|May-28-17|| ||unferth: very dead, but the short answer is that a whole lot more guys can't do that than can, and even the ones who can get hurt more and aren't as sharp when they're overworked. you might as well ask why Wilt and Russell could play 45 minutes a game but Cousins can't, or why Red Grange and Bronko Nagurski could play both sides of the ball but Cam Newton doesn't.|
|May-28-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: Speaking of Nolan Ryan, does anyone know the reason why he didn't <WIN> more with multiple teams?|
I wasn't much of a baseball fan as a kid, but every time I checked on stats he'd be a league leader in strikeouts, innings and ERA, but would always be 2-3 games above .500... for what seemed like 2 decades.
|May-28-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: Isn't there emerging speculation that young pitchers are throwing too many innings even by age 18? |
When I coached basketball I had several kids that I could barely get to show up for camp, practice or offseason anything because they were playing traveling baseball year round. It really only had full access to them for the core winter months.
|May-28-17|| ||WannaBe: French Open, Women #1 seed bounced in first round 6-2 6-2. Ouch.|
|May-28-17|| ||unferth: a lot of Ryan's teams weren't very good, especially during the heart of his prime with the Angels. beyond that, for most of his career his control kept him from being one the elites. he was extraordinary, but more spectacular than consistently great.|
|May-28-17|| ||saffuna: Nolan Ryan -- 2795 career BBs in 5386 innings.
900 more than second on the list. That's why he didn't win as much.
|May-28-17|| ||plang: Despite all the increased sophisticated stats BBs are still under-rated by many.|
|May-28-17|| ||saffuna: Batters hit under .200 against Rryan in his career. Had he had just a normal walk rate he would have been one of the greatest pitchers ever.|
Bill Jmaes wrote that Ryan would just not give in to batters no matter what the count, would always try to hit the corners or a particularly spot even with three balls. Would never just throw a fastball down the middle, which led to a lot of those walks.
|May-28-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: Speaking of hard throwing pitchers there was the guy who went to HS a few counties away from me (3 yrs ahead of me) who was been consistently voted the #1 or #2 draft bust of all time for overall top picks.|
<Brien Taylor> got a record $1.55 million deal from the Yankees right out of high school (1991) but never even made it to Triple A despite clocking up to 98 MPH as a high school senior.
He got in legal trouble, got in a fight that tore ligaments in his throwing shoulder and that was it.
Recently 3 years in prison for cocaine trafficking after facing up to 40 years, now released:
|May-28-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: Was Nolan Ryan also prone to "giving up the big hit" as some have said? I'm reluctant to make that claim myself, having not really followed his career when he was active.|
|May-28-17|| ||perfidious: <Bobster>, I know of no preponderance of evidence that Ryan had any such tendency.|
|May-28-17|| ||saffuna: I don't think so, since he gave up so few hits. The problem was, when he did give up the big hit, there was often a runner or two on base after being walked.|
|May-28-17|| ||HeMateMe: That's a shame about the baseball guy that blew out his arm and ended up in jail. Some people just don't care. |
I'm thinking of Nate Newton, all pro offensive line man for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm sure he made a lot of money as a football player but ended up selling drugs and probably went to jail.
Of course Ryan Leaf is Exhibit A.
|May-28-17|| ||saffuna: Texas had to build a whole new jail just to hold Newton.|
Newton sold marijuana, was caught with very larg amounts, twice I think.
|May-28-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: Nate Newton was on the verge of death after gaining 100 lbs after release from prison, but he got the stomach staple and looks weirdly skinny now.|
I don't know which network gave him the opportunity, but he's been allowed to talk about football here and there by the media -- maybe Fox Sportssouth??, a 2nd chance and badly needed job for him.
|May-28-17|| ||WannaBe: Mitch panicked? http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...|
And Spurs may sign C. Paul: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...
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