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|Jul-27-15|| ||WannaBe: Just tried it on IE, Chrome, FireFox, and Safari, all come up as square. Grrrrrr....|
|Jul-27-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Pedro Martinez from 1999 to 2003 has to be one of the best five-year stretch of pitching ever.|
But DeLino DeShields did hit .250 and play a solid second base for the Dodgers, so they shouldn't be too unhappy.
|Jul-27-15|| ||HeMateMe: What about Manny Fernandez? Great player, would have been great without PEDs--is he unofficially barred from the HOF, too?|
|Jul-27-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Indeed Fernandez was a fine defensive lineman for <keypusher>'s Dolphins in their glory years, but I think saying he's a Hall of Famer is stretching it.|
Now Manny <Ramirez> is not yet eligible for the baseball Hall of Fame.
|Jul-27-15|| ||HeMateMe: Well, they DID go 17-0...|
|Jul-28-15|| ||zanzibar: I have to say the 18-0, 2007, Patriots has a certain bittersweet twinge for me.|
Especially Randy Moss - what right did he have to break Jerry Rice's record during the regular season, only to go flatter than a Brady football in the post-season?!
|Jul-28-15|| ||keypusher: <Jim Bartle: Indeed Fernandez was a fine defensive lineman for <keypusher>'s Dolphins in their glory years, but I think saying he's a Hall of Famer is stretching it.>|
Agree, but worth noting Fernandez had 17 tackles in Super Bowl VII. Amazing for an interior lineman (even if he is called a tackle).
|Jul-28-15|| ||HeMateMe: 18-0 doesn't mean as much when you lose the last game of the year, the Super Bowl, to the New York Giants, and a rather average Giants team, at that.|
|Jul-28-15|| ||perfidious: <Jim: Pedro Martinez from 1999 to 2003 has to be one of the best five-year stretch of pitching ever.>|
From 1911-15, Walter Johnson's <lowest> ERA+ was an insanely good 164 in 1914, while in 1912-13, he was, respectively, 240 and 259:
Martinez' 1999-2003 stretch was surreal: his 'worst' ERA+ was a pathetic 188, with all the other seasons over 200.
Lefty Grove was terrific for a long while, but does not come close in either five-year period of excellence (1928-32, 35-39)
Sandy Koufax' best year, by comparison, was 190 in 1966. This lends credence to the view that, formidable as Koufax was the last five seasons, he was helped a little by Hell-A. My recollection is that his home/road breakdowns in ERA were well over a run apart, particularly in 1965-66.
|Jul-28-15|| ||unferth: no question Sandy was helped by Dodger Stadium, but off the top of my head I'd guess it's more difficult to compile an impressive ERA+ in an extreme pitchers' era like the 60s than in a hitter's paradise like the 90s. I think, without doing even cursory checking, that that makes intuitive mathematical sense--that as the league ERA approaches zero as a limit, it must be increasingly hard for the ERA leaders to gain distance from the pack. I freely acknowledge that this could be 100% wrong and await correction.|
|Jul-28-15|| ||zanzibar: Jason Varitek, who caught for Pedro 168 times:
"His best moments were almost everytime he took the mound..."
Pedro's number retired tonight in Fenway.
He was always fun to watch, that's for sure.
|Jul-28-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <Agree, but worth noting Fernandez had 17 tackles in Super Bowl VII.>|
A defensive tackle had 17 tackles? In a Super Bowl? Never happen again.
|Jul-28-15|| ||plang: I have always felt that Left Grove was one of the most under-rated pitchers in baseball history. The last decade of his career he played on some very mediocre Red Sox teams pitching as lefty in Fenway Park winning several ERA titles.|
But when he pitched on the really good A's teams he was unstoppable (28-5 in 1930 and 31-4 in 1931). 1930 was to hitting what 1968 was to pitching (the league average in the NL was over .300). Groves 2.54 ERA may not sound like much but 3.31 was second lowest.
|Jul-28-15|| ||zanzibar: <HeMateMe: 18-0 doesn't mean as much when you lose the last game of the year, the Super Bowl, to the New York Giants, and a rather average Giants team, at that.>|
No argument from me on that score. It really seemed pointless - going undefeated save for that one game.
And it was oh so frustrating watching Moss during that post-season, when his production essentially took a nosedive.
(OK, he did get 1 TD during the SB)
|Jul-28-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Bill James ranked Lefty Grove the best pitcher of all time the first time around, second behind Walter Johnson the second time.|
He did a long evaluation of Grove's best years vs. Koufax's, and gave a slight edge to Grove.
|Jul-28-15|| ||zanzibar: Talking about great pitchers - another 45 that got retired, Bob Gibson of the Cards:|
His 1.12 ERA in '68 is quite noteworthy.
Of course, if you do a google search on <Pedro 45> you get quite a different result than on <Bob 45>, or even <Gibson 45>:
|Jul-28-15|| ||plang: Gibson started 9 World Series games in 64,67 and 68. He lost the first one and the last one (Lolich beat him in game 7 of the 68 Series).|
He won the other 7 starts - all complete games - two Game 7s - 2 World Series MVPs (64 and 67) - also hit 2 HRs in the 7 games.
|Jul-30-15|| ||HeMateMe: Brazil's water might not be safe, for some events at the 2016 Olympic games:|
|Jul-30-15|| ||HeMateMe: Miracle on Ice money:
I remember watching the whole game (again) on youtube. Such energy this game had!
Eruzione sold his game jersey for $657,000! There's a lot of money out there. He never played a game in the NHL.
|Jul-31-15|| ||WannaBe: S. Curry likes Chik-fil-A
Now, if a white guy posted this...
|Aug-01-15|| ||HeMateMe: The Sacramento Kings have hired Nancy Lieberman as an assistant coach. Vlade Divacs is the assistant GM there. I didn't know he still worked in the NBA. He's the one who offered a job, per the ESPN report.|
|Aug-01-15|| ||perfidious: Mongo no like Chick-fil-A: will never eat there again.|
|Aug-02-15|| ||HeMateMe: I'm glad Nancy L. rebounded. I think about 15 or so years ago she was fired from her job coaching a pro women's basketball team because she was having a lesbian affair with one of the players. |
She was Martina Navratilova's girlfriend, for awhile. She's been coaching in different places since the embarrassing firing, which only got ink because of the lesbian angle.
She even played a few games in the defunct CBA, a men's semi pro league. Quite a talented player.
|Aug-02-15|| ||HeMateMe: geez, Ronda knocked out Correia in 34 seconds:
None of that silly arm bar business. Two hits: Ronda hit Correia and Correia hit the canvas.
|Aug-02-15|| ||perfidious: It seems college QB Cardale Jones wants to show little Ronda his, ah, etchings:|
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