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|Mar-26-15|| ||Strongest Force: I wonder if Kentucky loses again, will they make another movie about the winner?|
|Mar-26-15|| ||plang: What do you mean "loses again"?|
|Mar-26-15|| ||Strongest Force: Like in the Texas Western late 60's game, plang. That was a NCAA final and the Texas team showed why quickness is important. Big K was looking passed TW to party time...like now.|
|Mar-26-15|| ||plang: How do you know that Kentucky was "looking past TW"? Maybe TW was just good|
Would love to see a Kentucky-Wichita St Regional final - Kentucky ended Wichita States perfect season last year - why not give Wichita State an opportunity to return the favor
|Mar-26-15|| ||Strongest Force: TW was good but nobody knew it. Also, no body knew that faster guys good beat taller guys.|
|Mar-26-15|| ||Strongest Force: * could|
|Mar-26-15|| ||plang: <Hawks also seem to play like a team. But without Korver they suddenly look a lot weaker.>|
Korver is back. It is too early to give up on Atlanta. Same personnel who went on a 33-2 tear before - hopefully they did not peak too early. That streak pretty much clinched the number 1 seed in the East so it is not unusual if they lost their edge a bit. Still, it is not always easy to regain the momentum.
|Mar-26-15|| ||Baron Harkonnen: Portland is having the same problem with Aldrige , batum..Lost 5 in a row in last 10 games. They must regroup fast|
|Mar-26-15|| ||HeMateMe: There is a movie, Glory Road, a dramatization of the '66 Kentucky/Texas Western game. Not bad, a little preachy in spots, but most sports movies are. Future Lakers coach Pat Riley played for Kentucky, one of the last years that Adolph Rupp coached basketball, he of the segregated era. |
Certainly didn't end right away. I think the '68 NCAA champion UNC Tar Heels had just one black player, Charlie Scott.
As a middle aged white guy, I'm a little embarrassed to look at the NFL and all of these current and prospective Afro-American QBs in the game. When I was a teenager there were one or two. Joe Gilliam at Pittsburgh and Doug Williams at Washington. I imagine they got their share fo death threats and hate mail, as did Hank Aaron.
Obviously other blacks had the talent to play qb, but it was either denied them at the college level or, if they played qb at a southern black college they were shifted to corner or safety, if they wanted to play in the NFL. The unwritten rules...the QBs will remain white.
How bad was it? In the mid 60s the league commissioner, Pete Rozelle, actually called Green Bay Packers coach Vince Lombardi regarding a linebacker, Dave Robinson. Robinson, black, was planning to marry a white woman and Rozelle was trying to block it because "it hurts the NFL image." Lombardi told him "You can't tell me how to run my team."
It was a different lifetime. The commissioner doing that today? Fired, maybe would face a lawsuit.
|Mar-26-15|| ||unferth: <Strongest Force: TW was good but nobody knew it. Also, no body knew that faster guys good beat taller guys.>|
actually, Texas Western was taller. that Kentucky team (Rupp's Runts) was famously small, with nobody over 6'5".
|Mar-26-15|| ||Jim Bartle: <Certainly didn't end right away. I think the '68 NCAA champion UNC Tar Heels had just one black player, Charlie Scott.>|
Little known fact: from 67 to 73 there were two NCAA champions, UCLA and the non-UCLA champion. North Carolina won the latter in 1968.
Dave Robinson: I believe he was the only black linebacker at the time, or one of very few.
|Mar-26-15|| ||keypusher: <HeMateMe: There is a movie, Glory Road, a dramatization of the '66 Kentucky/Texas Western game. Not bad, a little preachy in spots, but most sports movies are. Future Lakers coach Pat Riley played for Kentucky, one of the last years that Adolph Rupp coached basketball, he of the segregated era.>|
Are you under some sort of contractual obligation to keep bringing up that crappy movie?
|Mar-27-15|| ||Baron Harkonnen: <plang: Personally, I prefer watching a team that plays together and passes well than a team that relies on stars>|
This is a huge misconception.
Sorry. Bull were a great "team" not just Jordan. As Its was the bad boys, Lakers from 80's and 2000's and other champions.
In Bulls case. sure his opposition were so tough that in the end Jordan and Pippen had to step up..Very normal. As Malone- Stockton step up, Payton-Kemp , Barkley , Drexler, and so forth.
I prefer great teams <with> superstars. People watch NBA to see Lebrons, Haydens, Currys, Durants, not just tp see 'well trained systems' teams..
Even Detroit at 2004, Billups played like a frickin' superstar, won the MVP, decided the series. He was the difference..
I guess you didn't saw the golden era of NBA, the 80's and 90's..If you saw all those guys, those rivalries, , you can't possibly be satisfied with this, or with that <crap game> that was Hawks - GS. Utter crap.
They will go down if someone doesn't step up and decide the games like a superstar. 'They ' still make the difference imho. I take bets.
|Mar-27-15|| ||HeMateMe: Teams were more interesting in the 80s, before the salary cap came in. If you drafted well and traded well, you could build a great team and keep them altogether, keep them all paid. Boston and the Lakers managed that.|
<Are you under some sort of contractual obligation to keep bringing up that crappy movie?>
Ok, it's a mediocre movie, but it is an interesting piece of sports history. Just think, Dean Smith had to bring his black players into downtown coffee shops in the 60s, to break the horrible desegregation in place then.
The tex-west victory helped, in it's own small way, to get teams to bring in more blacks, and in a greater sense to show more respect for all people.
I did love Hoosiers, even though it is a teeny bit hokey.
Worst basketball movie ever? There was a late 70s college hoops movie starring Robbie Benson, this kid with no hair on his face, no peach fuzz, who still looked age 15 when he was age 25. He played a scholarship guard at a big time Tar Heel type program, and a sadistic coach tries to force him off of the team.
|Mar-27-15|| ||Baron Harkonnen: <Worst basketball movie ever? >
|Mar-27-15|| ||plang: <They will go down if someone doesn't step up and decide the games like a superstar. 'They ' still make the difference imho. I take bets.>|
OK - so Leonard won the Finals MVP last year - do you consider him to be a superstar?
There was a game a week or so ago where Westbrook was "negotiating" with the official scorer for an assist because he wanted to get a triple double - to me that is BS - Westbrook is obviously a brilliant talent but I am suspicious of any player that pays that much attention to his stats.
|Mar-27-15|| ||Baron Harkonnen: <OK - so Leonard won the Finals MVP last year - do you consider him to be a superstar?>|
Touché, my friend, but I strongly guess that last year was a point <way> out of a curve:
It was one of worse series <ever> imho. When you have on the floor Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, and all 3 big guys (stars) from Miami and <no one> made a great series and suddenly a 2-year rookie gone wild and shoot all those 3's like he was in a mission to save his mother from hanging..Not very auspicious. Shee't happens, Leonard, Billups, sometimes a one hit wonder happens.
|Mar-27-15|| ||Baron Harkonnen: <There was a game a week or so ago where Westbrook was "negotiating" with the official scorer for an assist because he wanted to get a triple double >|
Really? if is true, that's pathetic..
|Mar-27-15|| ||HeMateMe: Harden went nuts the other night. He just looks like the MVP. I think a guy who gets to the basket is more valuable than a jump shooter like Curry.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||Gryz: It was not just Leonard last year. There were 2 games where people were saying that Boris Diaw was on his way to finals-MVP. And there was a game where Danny Green shot a ridiculous amount of 3-pointers.|
I don't think anyone likes a game with no highlights. But I rather see a team where one day Player-X shows something amazing, and the next day Player-Y surprises us. The Spurs can do that. I hope GSW and Atlanta can do that too.
The opposite is: "I hope the Bulls win. Oh, Bulls have the ball. Who shall they pass to ? Oh, they passed to MJ. Shall MJ shoot ? Yes, MJ shot ! [40%]He scored !/[60%]He missed ! Oh, I am so excited what will happen in the next attack. Oh, they passed to MJ again. Look, MJ shot again ! Whoohoo !"
|Mar-27-15|| ||unferth: but that's a silly way to characterize the great Bulls teams, which always had Pippen & at least one other double-digit scorer in addition to MJ & were annually near the top of the league in assists. Jordan never took close to 40% of the shots, never even 30%. if they'd been a one-man band, they wouldn't have been dominant for a decade.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||unferth: hmm, maybe I misread what you were saying--but what games were you watching where Jordan was a 40% shooter?|
|Mar-27-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Oh, how I remember Jordan hitting the Finals-winning shot every year. No player like Paxson or Kerr ever took the big shot.|
|Mar-27-15|| ||Strongest Force: <Hardin went nuts>; did you see where Hardin kicked Bron in the nuts? It was a nut going for the nuts...|
|Mar-27-15|| ||Strongest Force: Zags will move on...just 6 mins left with a 14 point lead. Most likely to play Duke|
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