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|Jan-19-17|| ||keypusher: < Bobsterman3000: Colin Cowherd suggested the Packers starting planning to draft Rodgers' replacement in October:
But I don't like Cowherd anyway.>
Like him or loathe him, he's not yelling for Rodgers to be benched, and he's not in Green Bay.
|Jan-19-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: <Like him or loathe him, he's not yelling for Rodgers to be benched, and he's not in Green Bay.>|
Yeah, the more I look at it I think you're right.
Looking back at most of the articles from around week 8-10 (GB had 3-game losing streak at one point) it seems as if most of the "pundit" criticism was aimed at Mike McCarthy, with Aaron Rodgers and the team rallying around him about it.
Honestly, I think Rodgers may have been affected by his family problems. That team relies on him so heavily that even a 10% dropoff in his accuracy makes GB a middle-of-pack team, since they threw the ball around 70% of the time.
Dallas was different, they ran about 50-52% of the time and won several games where Dak wasn't sharp at all (by his standards, but prob still fantastic for a rookie starter)
|Jan-19-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: Dallas had wins where Dak had these numbers of completions - 12, 15, 17, 18 (twice), 19 (twice).|
I don't think there's any way Green Bay wins without barest minimum 25+ completions and 300 yards from Rodgers.
|Jan-19-17|| ||plang: There is no question that what set apart the Cowboys from other teams this year was their offensive line which benefited both Prescott and Elliott.|
But they are not the first successful players to benefit from a great line.
|Jan-19-17|| ||WannaBe: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...|
Still not as bad as NCAA sanction, loss of scholarships and vacated wins.
|Jan-19-17|| ||HeMateMe: "sit Rodgers"--came from some analysts but also from chunks of reader comments to football stories, die hard football fans who want immediate results, the "error of recency," as they say in the personnel office.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||WannaBe: Jeremy Lim|
9 days later, Johnny Manziel finally got the memo and responded:
|Jan-19-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: ESPN Stats and Information:
Bucks guard Giannis Antetokounmpo could be the 5th player in NBA history to lead his team in points, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals in the same season.
|Jan-19-17|| ||plang: He was also named an All Star starter|
|Jan-20-17|| ||perfidious: If the Greek Freak played in a city with anything like a real fan base--and I have been a fan of Bucks since Abdul-Jabbar's finest days there--he would be touted as a perennial All-Star.|
|Jan-20-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: <If the Greek Freak played in a city with anything like a real fan base--and I have been a fan of Bucks since Abdul-Jabbar's finest days there--he would be touted as a perennial All-Star.>|
Yeah, his notoriety suffers because Milwaukee's media market is not big. I don't think that the Bucks have a TV channel where they're broadcast across the USA.
When I was a kid growing up in coastal NC we had <HUGE> amounts of Cubs/Bulls fans in my hometown. You woulda thought we were near Chicago, rather than 5 states away - that fandom was due to WGN being carried on the basic cable packages in the Southeast of course, and until the 90's the state didn't have its own pro franchises.
|Jan-20-17|| ||perfidious: <Bobster>, re the Bulls' popularity in the mid-late 1990s, I saw the same sort of thing living in Vermont then--red and black regalia all over the shop--until Jordan and Pippen left town and Bulls went from six titles in eight seasons to being yesterday's newspapers.|
|Jan-20-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: <perfidious: re the Bulls' popularity in the mid-late 1990s, >|
Yeah, they were peak Beatles, Michael Jackson and Elvis all rolled into one. Neither the Warriors nor the Cavs have come even close to matching the spectacle, to be honest.
My high school in coastal NC is in the same conference as Michael Jordan's old high school (Laney) and they've got very old VHS tapes of him still there. (unless they've completely rotted by now)
|Jan-20-17|| ||HeMateMe: SI did a recent story on the Greek Freak. His family landed illegally in Greece, from Nigeria. He worked the streets as a kid, selling bootleg video tapes, sunglasses, all the usual crap, to tourists. They got by. He's almost embarrassed by all the money (new contract: 4yr/$100M). |
After a bad game he goes to a church in Milwaukee that he can get into and sits alone till 3:00am, reliving his mistakes in the game. That seems a little weird, but he's kept out of trouble I guess. No bling, no rapper hangers on, no posse.
Years ago when Ron Artest (Meta World Peace) of the Lakers would have a good game he would shout out "Queensbridge!" before an interviewer.
|Jan-20-17|| ||Bobsterman3000: <Years ago when Ron Artest (Meta World Peace) of the Lakers would have a good game he would shout out "Queensbridge!" before an interviewer.>|
Yeah, Metta WP also used to do plugs for his record label during post-game interviews. lol
I guess it was R&B, plus rap, plus also gospel artists. He would hold the CD's in the air.
Having played ball against some former NBA players I can't imagine trying to operate against a defender with the strength of Metta WP. I played city league with Kennard Winchester for 2 years and he was absolutely untouchable with his size and ability, and he wasn't even a star in the NBA.
|Jan-20-17|| ||WannaBe: <Calvin Watkins
ESPN Staff Writer
The NBA record for combined three-pointers attempted in a single-game is 88, set three times by the Rockets this season, most recently, Jan. 15 with Brooklyn.
Rockets coach Mike D'Antoni was asked can two teams get to 90 or more. "I can envision us shooting 83, I guess (the other team) will shoot about 12," he joked.>
Lookin' at the box score for that HOU@BRK (137-112 Rockets victory, no over-time) game, both teams shot 44 3s...
Total, HOU attempted 92 shots, BRK 93. If you take 2880 seconds (48 minutes) that works out to 15.567 seconds per shot.
|Jan-20-17|| ||HeMateMe: Amere Stoudamire is 34 and is now playing in Israel, for a team in Jerusalem:|
He probably made about $150M in salary and another $50M in endorsements in his career. Why is he still playing? I like this. He seems to be doing it for the love of the game. I'm assuming he didn't go broke like some of these dummies. He didn't flame out like a clown, like Kobe or stay too long in the NBA as a scrub. It seems he just wants to play.
|Jan-20-17|| ||plang: I commented recently that the Warriors were 0-5 against the Spurs, Cavaliers, Rockets and Grizzlies.|
This week they have blowout wins against the Cavaliers and tonight at Houston.
Their defense tonight against the Rockets 3 point shooting was outstanding.
|Jan-21-17|| ||perfidious: <Bobster....Having played ball against some former NBA players I can't imagine trying to operate against a defender with the strength of Metta WP. I played city league with Kennard Winchester for 2 years and he was absolutely untouchable with his size and ability, and he wasn't even a star in the NBA.>|
Do not even recall Winchester as a player, whom I would term an NBA backup at best; those were decent teams he played for, but it is telling that none of the weaker sides in those days took a flyer on him.
|Jan-21-17|| ||saffuna: Watch a college game, not even one from a major conference. Gonzaga vs. St. Mary's.|
The players are amazing, would dominate any typical high-level pickup game. And maybe one or two has a chance to play in the NBA.
|Jan-21-17|| ||unferth: in college I played in a pickup game with a 6'9" guy who was using our gym to prep for a tryout (with Cleveland, I think, back in the early 80s when they were terrible). at one point I was chasing him on a fast break. when he got to about the top of the key he picked up his dribble, and for an instant I thought he was pulling up to shoot and maybe I could catch him from behind. instead he took a couple of long steps, took off maybe a foot inside the free-throw line, and threw down a monster dunk. I can't even remember his name, and I'm not sure if he even got a cup of coffee with a bad NBA team, but it was like he was from another species.|
|Jan-21-17|| ||perfidious: From chess: I played a number of GMs in my best days, and that was mostly another world to me; watching someone like Walter Browne in a postmortem was un freaking real--the man dashed off lines I could not have seen in a week.|
Big, big difference between this borderline 2300 player and guys like that.
In poker, I have played with a number of main event winners of the WSOP and other top pros, and the speed of thought most of them exhibited was unbelievable when I first started playing with them. Nowadays I take it in stride, but back in the day....
|Jan-21-17|| ||paulalbert: Agree 100% on Walter Browne's calculating speed. When I took private lessons with him and we went over one of my games, he delved into 20 ply variations after a few moves , starting with moves I had not even considered, and way beyond my ability to calculate. There is no substitute for raw talent, and then combine it with hard work and incredible energy, and you get a GM like Walter. We lost him too early.|
|Jan-21-17|| ||unferth: <perfidious: From chess: I played a number of GMs in my best days, and that was mostly another world to me; watching someone like Walter Browne in a postmortem was un freaking real--the man dashed off lines I could not have seen in a week.|
Big, big difference between this borderline 2300 player and guys like that.>
that's how us 1900s look at guys like you...
|Jan-21-17|| ||HeMateMe: Browne vs Kosteniuk, 2004:
<Browne vs Kosteniuk, 2004>
played between poker hands, I'm pretty sure...
In college my calculus teacher told me that in the early age of computer chess, early 80s, he was involved with a bet involving Browne. IBM had some sort of computer hardware/software combo that was probably at IM strength. IBM wanted to test their boy against a GM.
The bet was that Browne could not checkmate the IBM program, Q vs R, no other pieces on the board, in 50 moves or less. Of course the computer plays better when there are fewer pieces on the board.
The IBM hook up was set up at this professor's house. Browne wasn't actually there, his moves were relayed by telephone or modem. In fact IBM won the bet because Browne couldn't deliver mate in 50. I think it *can* be done, but white can't make any inferior moves in the process.
Browne, being the argumentative sort that he is, claimed he should get the prize money ($1,000?) because he could demonstrate a forced win from the position, at move 50. Not willing to lose good will, IBM accepted this and gave him the money. [Fischer would have been proud...]
I forget this professor's name but I do know he had several tournament games (draws and losses) against Kurt Braskin, a 2400 IM from that area. The math guy was good, but not world class, so 'gamblin Browne was called upon for the test.
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