< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 236 OF 236 ·
|Aug-17-14|| ||HeMateMe: Now that the Clips have changed hands, V. Stiviano will probably have to get a new job, as her boss is banned from attending games. I think she saw his failing health as her own downfall, and that's why she outed him--to end Shelly Sterling's lawsuit against her for embezzled monies and goods.|
What will Stiviano do now?
1. New CEO, leading a group of investors who revive the Mustang hooker ranch in Reno.
2. Author of best selling children's book "I wanna grease a billionaire, when I grow up."
3. New FIDE press secretary, will be good for face time with African federation.
4. Will follow LeBron to Cleveland "Everyone else is going there!"
5. Her OWN reality TV show! Follow V. throughout her exciting day as she spoon feeds Donald his oatmeal and tells him the names of all seven days of the week. Later, lunch with Al Sharpton. A walk on Malibu beach, hunting for a new sugar daddy. Meets with advisers on how to throw shelly sterling under the bus. Attempts to seduce Adam Silver at the next NBA all star game.
In ten years, with looks gone and celebrity status fading, she boxes Tony Parker's ex Eva Longoria, in celebrity boxing. Scheduled ten round bout only goes three as ref ends fight on account of anorexia.
|Aug-17-14|| ||HeMateMe: Frank deford's new piece on Bill Russell:
|Aug-17-14|| ||HeMateMe: oops, it's a rerun of an early work.|
|Aug-17-14|| ||HeMateMe: <Tommy Heinsohn, who played with Russell for nine years and won 10 NBA titles himself, as player and coach, sums it up best: "Look, all I know is, the guy won two NCAA championships, 50-some college games in a row, the ['56] Olympics, then he came to Boston and won 11 championships in 13 years, and they named a f------ tunnel after Ted Williams." By that standard, only a cathedral on a hill deserves to have Bill Russell's name attached to it.>|
|Aug-17-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <oops, it's a rerun of an early work.>|
Immaterial. It was a great story then. It's a great story now.
|Aug-17-14|| ||plang: I always get a kick out of the comparisons between Jordan and Bryant and how many rings they have. Russell is conveniently left out of these discussions - I guess cause he wasn't sexy enough or something.|
|Aug-18-14|| ||HeMateMe: The only knock against the 60s Celtics is that there was no salary cap, and no free agency. A team as deep in talent as Russell's Celtics could not exist today, as the best members would all get offered max contract deals by the weaker teams. Getting a "big three" together now seems to be the only possible collection of stars and even then only with those guys taking less money than they could get elsewhere. If Auerbach could put together a great team and pay everyone, the team could stay together. |
It couldn't happen in the NBA after the 1980s. I think the Bird/Magic teams of the 80s are the last great teams put together before the salary cap, and those teams probably could not have existed in the cap era.
In the Celtic's case, some combination of Bird/McHale/Parish/Dennis Johnson would have to take a lot less money than they presently were making. ditto with the Johnson/Jabber/Worthy/Cooper group.
In a different era, the Russell Celtics would have been picked apart. Havlicek, Cousy, Russ, Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones--other teams would have offered more money than a boston salary cap would have been able to provide, for some of these players.
|Aug-18-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <Havlicek, Cousy, Russ, Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones--other teams would have offered more money than a boston salary cap would have been able to provide, for some of these players.>|
True, but then you also have to respect that the Celts were built with low draft picks and sharp trading. Havlicek was the last pick of the first round. You wouldn't believe most of the players taken ahead of him.
|Aug-18-14|| ||HeMateMe: Indeed. Red was brilliant in coaching and putting teams together.|
I'm just suggesting that future teams didn't have quite the same opportunities as the Russell Celtics, because as great players emerge, they disappear to the team with the most salary cap money to offer. As shrewd as Auerbach's drafts and trades were, he ultimately would have lost a number of these players to free agency, in today's NBA.
I think the 2013-14 Spurs most embody the 60s Celts. Not so much in playing style, but the way the money is distributed, a balanced number of minutes for a fairly large number of contributors, and the absolute respect and authority of the coach.
Nothing against Eric Spoelstra, for example, but I don't think he has anywhere near the command of his team that Popyvich has. Also, the Heat have a bunch of non contributing bench players. Compare that to the Russell Celtics who had so many good players, you HAD to play a bunch of guys. Nelson and Hondo, sixth men, would have started on most other teams.
|Aug-18-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Right. The team could not have stayed together for so many years.|
|Aug-18-14|| ||tamar: I just checked. Havlicek went at #7 while the Lakers chose Leroy Ellis at #6.|
Who needs a center? The Lakers could have had West, Havlicek, and Baylor...oh the misery.
|Aug-18-14|| ||HeMateMe: I remember the Havlicek led Celtics of the mid-1970s terrorizing the Milwaukee Bucks, with Kareem. They won all four home games, in Milwaukee, to defeat the Bucks for the title, I think in 74-75.|
Four in a row on the other teams court. That surely has never happened in any of the four major sports?
|Aug-18-14|| ||perfidious: <HMM> Not quite the case; Bucks won the second game at home, with Boston winning the next, the visiting team going 5-2 overall in the final, which was actually 1974. The teams did not meet in spring 1975.|
|Aug-18-14|| ||unferth: <tamar: Who needs a center? The Lakers could have had West, Havlicek, and Baylor...oh the misery.> they'd just lost the finals to Boston with Russell shooting .543 from the field & grabbing 27 boards a game. I'm guessing they thought they needed some help inside.|
|Aug-18-14|| ||HeMateMe: Perf--no, the Bucks lost all 4 games at home:
I remember watching game 7 at home. I was a big Jabber fan, and I thought "the Bucks HAVE to be able to win at least one home game....Jabber had 18 points in the first quarter, but they couldn't hold off the deeper Celtics, coached by Tommy Heinsohn.
|Aug-18-14|| ||tamar: <unferth> I can still remember the litany of awful Laker centers from my childhood.|
Jim Krebs, Howie Joliff, Ray Felix, Gene Wiley, Wayne Yates, Darrell Imhoff.
Leroy Ellis to be fair, was more of a forward, and was a cut above those guys.
So each year Laker management tried to better their situation by drafting or trading for another center, and ended up with a revolving door.
Auerbach knew who could play and who couldn't, and rarely whiffed so badly.
|Aug-18-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <tamar: I just checked. Havlicek went at #7 while the Lakers chose Leroy Ellis at #6.>|
Also taken earlier were Dave DeBusschere and Havlicek's OSU teammate Jerry Lucas, as territorial picks.
|Aug-18-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <Auerbach knew who could play and who couldn't, and rarely whiffed so badly.>|
He did whiff completely on Cousy. Didn't want the local hero, but ended up with him anyway.
|Aug-18-14|| ||unferth: well, they did manage to hold Russell to 26 boards a game the following year.|
|Aug-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: I see the baseball stadiums are adding metal detectors. Apparently the new breed of baseball fans are engaging in too many knife fights. I don't know if I would even go, in a larger city, unless I had tickets for the family/non alcohol section.|
|Aug-21-14|| ||Jim Bartle: I thought that was to keep the players from sneaking in aluminum bats.|
|Aug-21-14|| ||HeMateMe: Have you seen the documentary "Dream Team", the '92 mens basketball team? Really good. A ton of behind the scenes footage. They even get John Stockton to talk, which is quite the trick.|
The book, by Jack McCallum was also very good. I think this documentary is something new running on NBA tv.
|Aug-21-14|| ||OhioChessFan: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...|
|Aug-21-14|| ||KKDEREK: <HeMateMe: Have you seen the documentary "Dream Team", the '92 mens basketball team? Really good. A ton of behind the scenes footage. They even get John Stockton to talk, which is quite the trick.
The book, by Jack McCallum was also very good. I think this documentary is something new running on NBA tv>|
I saw last week coincidentally. Interesting stuff about Isiah Thomas.. I'm sure he paid for that no handshaking episode at EC Finals 1991. Amazing doc.
I'm also been running on youtube all Open Court episodes..Funny as hell.
|Aug-21-14|| ||KKDEREK: funny stuff
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 236 OF 236 ·