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|Sep-07-14|| ||plang: <RG3 held to 6 points today--quarterbacks who leave the pocket to "make plays" should perhaps stay put longer.>|
The problem is they are trying to make him into a conventional pocket passer which is not his strength. They need to give him more freedom even though there is more risk of injury. His skills are being wasted the way he is being used now.
|Sep-08-14|| ||HeMateMe: They let him have free rein last season, and they ended up with a busted quarterback, and the coach got fired.|
Randall Cunningham was able to leave the pocket often and stay pretty healthy. I think he was an exception to the rule, though. If you can't stay healthy, you do your team no good.
|Sep-08-14|| ||plang: which is why you have to question picking Griffin in the first place and Manziel for that matter. Fran Tarkenton used to get away with it, Vick for a few years.|
|Sep-08-14|| ||HeMateMe: Tarkenton used to torture my Packers for years and years, in the 70s. I hated his guts, though I knew he was a great qb.|
Maybe back then the players weren't the physical monsters they are now. A defensive end in 'Tark's day weighted 270, 280. Heck, the offensive lineman all weighed less than 300. Perhaps getting hit by those guys isn't as lethal as it is now.
Also, the old Vikes, coached by Bud Grant, played on natural grass in Bloomington MN, which is more forgiving of hard falls than artificial turf. Very weird field--both team's benches were on the same side of the field, the same edge. I've never heard of that before, in the NFL. Freezing cold, unheated benches, too, courtesy of Bud, who had a little Vince Lombardi in him.
|Sep-08-14|| ||Jim Bartle: The Vikes great DT Alan Page weighed 245.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||plang: 245 is about what Butkus weighed.
So players today weigh more - does that mean they hit harder? Are they as quick?
|Sep-09-14|| ||HeMateMe: all three. they weigh more, they are faster, and if the laws of physics hold, that translates into harder hits.|
|Sep-09-14|| ||Jim Bartle: 245 was big for a linebacker back then, but quite light for a defensive lineman. In the 80s Lawrence Taylor weighed, what, 235?
|Sep-10-14|| ||HeMateMe: That video was pretty god awful, Ray Rice punching that woman in the elevator. They are now married. She's gonna divorce him later and take him to the cleaners, Ellin Nordegren style.|
Just saw a story about Seattle's mercurial quarterback. He's part of the rookie class that now has some sort of max contract level. I think he only makes 1.6mil, or something low like that--for a Super bowl quarterback.
Sam Bradford was the qb who got in under the wire. Just before the rookie cap went into place he signed for some obscene amount like $50M, more than half guaranteed, with the Arizona Cards or St. Louis, I forget which one. He's injured, too, so his team is screwed.
|Sep-10-14|| ||perfidious: If Rice doesn't get back to playing, dee-vorce comes a-callin' sooner, not later. He'll be lucky to have two nickels to rub together if wifey enlists a shrewd ambulance chaser in her employ. |
Bradford, btw, gets paid by Rams.
|Sep-10-14|| ||HeMateMe: Yeah, Rice will have to sit out a year, do the b.s. lecturing at local venues about the wrongfulness of domestic violence ("I'm a changed man!") and be reinstated after losing one or two years of his career, which is usually enough to finish a running back, who don't last long to begin with. When the money tap is turned off, the wife will leave with half of it. Same thing happened to Kobe and Tim Duncan.|
A sad story. Football players get coddled as soon as they show worth, and a big man-child like the guy in the elevator is the result.
Plenty of white guys have done the same thing too, punching or raping women on college campuses, knowing that they will be protected because they contribute to the multimillion dollar success of their division I football team.
|Sep-12-14|| ||HeMateMe: more ballers in trouble:
When they gonna learn?
|Sep-12-14|| ||Jim Bartle: Let's wait on Peterson. No details at all.|
|Sep-12-14|| ||HeMateMe: true dat. The kid has too many welts though, for a regular spanking. Still, spanking is a grey area. Where does it morph from punishment to abuse?|
|Sep-13-14|| ||Jim Bartle: I haven't heard a word about spanking or welts.|
|Sep-13-14|| ||perfidious: As to <Ko-me>, he did step out on his wife--can't imagine why, cos I'd never let her out of my sight--she's hot!|
|Sep-13-14|| ||HeMateMe: <The Houston station, citing law enforcement sources, said Peterson told police that the incident -- he referred to it as a "whooping" -- occurred in Spring, Texas, in May as punishment for his son pushing another one of Peterson's children. The boy suffered cuts and bruises to areas including his back, buttocks, ankles and legs.>|
Oops, just skimmed the article, and saw this. But, this pertained to one of his other kids, who was assaulted by a guy living with the boy's mother. It wasn't Peterson.
In any case, it it's illegal to take a switch to a kid, I'm glad that people are on it. Vikes will sit him for a game.
|Sep-13-14|| ||Jim Bartle: I heard about the Minnesota case. Peterson had just learned the boy was his son. The mother's boyfriend killed the 2-year-old by excessive abuse.|
|Sep-13-14|| ||plang: So now we will have a national debate on corporal punishment. I suspect that there is a significant minority of people out there who feel it is no ones business how they raise their kids.|
|Sep-13-14|| ||HeMateMe: Not sure if Peterson even broke the law. I think only dooshbags spank their kids, but there can also be over-intrusion by the morality police.|
|Sep-13-14|| ||plang: I am not stating an opinion - I am just speculating as to where this is going. This is a topic that has not been discussed in the US in recent years. Peterson gave an interview where he clearly stated that he felt he had done nothing wrong and was raising his kids the same way he was raised. I suspect most are horrified by his techniques and if a doctor says it is abuse then Peterson may very well have broken the law. But corporal punishment used to be a lot more commonplace and I am not sure it has disappeared as much as some may think.|
|Sep-13-14|| ||HeMateMe: It hasn't disappeared. I think that if the adult draws blood or produces bruising on the child's body, they have crossed the line. Social services should be called. If the actions don't stop, the parent(s) should lose the kid.|
|Sep-17-14|| ||HeMateMe: Is the morality police taking over? Adrian Peterson is "accused" of doing something, and a hearing is coming up. It seems like he is being treated as already been convicted of something. I'm not sure he should be taken off of the playing field. Maybe spanking a kid with a switch shows horrible parenting, but it is not at the same level as a guy punching out a girl in an elevator and dragging her out into the hallway like a slab of beef.|
I think the courts should be a separate venue than pro sports judgments on player's behavior. I assume this trend will continue to the NBA. Tons of women have accused NBA players, boyfriends or husbands, of abuse. kobe Bryant and Shaq come to mind. Some of these accusations are unfounded, just people trying to extort money. Does every player have to be effectively suspended every time they are being investigated? I don't accept domestic violence, but I just think the courts are becoming too intrusive into pro sports.
|Sep-17-14|| ||plang: The pictures in the Peterson case are having the same effect as the video in the Rice case - they are substituting for "due process".|
<Maybe spanking a kid with a switch shows horrible parenting, but it is not at the same level as a guy punching out a girl in an elevator and dragging her out into the hallway like a slab of beef.>
Have you seen the pictures? That was a lot more than spanking. Why is hitting a woman worse than hitting a 4 year old?
|Sep-17-14|| ||perfidious: Peterson's contract may be voided, but someone will take a shot next year, because he has talent--that excuses a multitude of sins. Y'all aren't a megastar? See ya, hate ta be ya!|
<Ten months ago, due process didn't enter the conversation when the team cut cornerback A.J. Jefferson hours after he was arrested on a domestic assault charge. At the time, then-coach Leslie Frazier said he couldn't comment on why the Vikings released Jefferson but did say that the league rules on how teams can discipline a player for legal trouble are the same regardless of the offense. >
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