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|Jan-08-16|| ||HeMateMe: very classy, Vlade Divacs talks honestly about being traded for high school Kobe, back in the day:|
heck, Divacs got out of 1990s Serbia to live in California and be a millionaire. I bet he woke up smiling every day of the week. who cares where you're playing, when you've escaped from 1990s Serbia?
|Jan-08-16|| ||unferth: <SI did a story on the problems at Dodgers stadium. Apparently it is street gangs from central America who are now part of southern California and come to the stadium in Los Angeles and fight with other gang bangers, or they try to rob people in the parking lot after the ball games.>|
it's mostly just local idiots. the real culprit was Frank McCourt, who aggressively courted Latino fans with "Los Doyers" promotions involving half-price beer while at the same time cutting back on security. not sure what SI said, but it's not really all that bad.
|Jan-08-16|| ||HeMateMe: you can probably find the piece in the SI vault, their depository of stories. Maybe stuff goes in there after 6 months, not sure of the time table.|
The story I read was from a couple of years ago, when there were stabbings at Dodgers stadium, during the McMoron McCourt ownership days. I never heard of their being stabbings at baseball games before, and I guess it was a new trend, as SI wrote a piece about it. something about LS-13, a violent gang from El Salvador.
|Jan-08-16|| ||perfidious: McCourt obviously never heard the old aphorism about wallowing in the mud with pigs.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||unferth: that's MS-13, started by Salvadoran refugees who came to LA in the 80s. I think it's the biggest gang in the world now, with branches in many countries. they control big chunks of LA, including my girlfriend's neighborhood, but I don't think they can hang around Dodger Stadium. that's Mexican gang turf.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||kingfu: wannabe, Thanks for your post about progressive movements yesterday. It was the best I did hear all day!|
unferth, you MUST be missing the O'Malleys quite a bit!
TV coverage is very good on sports now, so, that obviates any need for me to actually attend a game. However, I bet I could go to a Royals game without getting munged.
Did anybody besides me comment on how well behaved KC was after the World Series win? No riots, no burned cars. I think that is VERY unusual now.
|Jan-08-16|| ||Jim Bartle: I am a lifetime Giants fan and <I> miss the O'Malleys. The rivalry just hasn't been the same since they sold the team. The Dodgers used to have an identity, an overwhelmingly homegrown team, easy to hate. Steve Garvey! Maury Wills! Don Drysdale! Phil Regan! Boooo!|
Now they're really just another team.
|Jan-08-16|| ||kingfu: unferth, You are on to something about trolling free agency for old / injury prone players. |
The Royals have signed Wang, the pitcher who was good for the Yankees in 2006-2007, just a few years back. And he 35! He probably does not want a salary, only paid medical benefits.
We need something like GMWI, games missed while injured or an AFU index. Something.
|Jan-08-16|| ||WannaBe: Thank you ESPN:
Home 'Dogs of 4+ Points in NFL Playoffs
1/8/11: SEA +9.5 vs. NO (Won 41-36)
1/8/12: DEN +7.5 vs. PIT (Won 29-23)
1/10/16: MIN +5 vs. SEA>
|Jan-08-16|| ||kingfu: ESPN probably left off the Chiefs since they have not won a NFL playoff game in 22 years.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||WannaBe: The line is KC (-3) at HOU, so for now, it does not count (-4 or higher). Unless the line move before kick-off...|
|Jan-08-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: It's hard to believe that there's two teams (Bengals and Chiefs) with longer player droughts than the hapless Bills.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||unferth: <Jim Bartle: I am a lifetime Giants fan and <I> miss the O'Malleys. The rivalry just hasn't been the same since they sold the team. The Dodgers used to have an identity, an overwhelmingly homegrown team, easy to hate. Steve Garvey! Maury Wills! Don Drysdale! Phil Regan! Boooo!
Now they're really just another team.>
Bill James wrote a prescient bit about that 20, maybe 30 years ago, I think even before the O'Malleys sold the team, saying that the organization had lost its way since Walter O's death. From the time Branch Rickey took over in the 40s to Walter's death & the retirement of Al Campanis as GM, there was a regimented Dodger way of doing things involving homegrown players, a conservative culture, and intense drilling in "The Dodger Way to Play Baseball" (which is a really excellent instructional book by Campanis: http://www.amazon.com/The-Dodger-Wa...). James predicted that within a decade they'd be just another ballclub, and he sure was right. Wish I could find the passage.
|Jan-08-16|| ||HeMateMe: back when baseball players spent their whole career with one team, when the owners seemed to have a greater connection with the players, as opposed to today. |
Now, every player is a mini corporation unto himself, a multimillionaire who can jump ship when he wants to, not play through injuries, and feel free to be a club house cancer like Barry Bonds.
|Jan-08-16|| ||Jim Bartle: < back when baseball players spent their whole career with one team, when the owners seemed to have a greater connection with the players, as opposed to today.>|
Well, yeah, the players couldn't leave, had to take what the owners offered or go home.
|Jan-08-16|| ||HeMateMe: well, if you played for the Yankees, you got paid. I guess that's why the Milwaukee Brewers/Braves never won anything--the players weren't getting paid.|
Best game this weekend? Pitt/Cincy. Bengals win by 3 points, at home.
|Jan-08-16|| ||Jim Bartle: <well, if you played for the Yankees, you got paid. >|
Not really. Read about the battles players had with GM George Weiss in the 50s and 60s. If a guy hit .320 with 30 homers one year, and .300 with 25 homers the next year, his salary would be cut.
|Jan-08-16|| ||plang: Prior to Free Agency no baseball players were making that much.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||unferth: the Milwaukee Braves played the Yanks in back-to-back WS in the 50s and beat them once.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||Jim Bartle: Oh no!
I watched a grandson of a player I saw play for the first time: Khadeem Lattin of Oklahoma, grandson of Big Daddy Lattin of 1966 Texas Western.
A truly sad day.
|Jan-08-16|| ||perfidious: <unferth> Braves very nearly won in '58 as well, going up 3-1 before losing three games off the reel, thus becoming the second team to lose the Series after being ahead by that margin.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||Jim Bartle: 1958 Braves lineup was the first I ever learned aside from the Giants:|
Big discussion in our house when they changed their lineup midseason, dropping Schoendienst to seventh and putting Covington in the cleanup spot.
|Jan-08-16|| ||unferth: <Jim Bartle> ever see Gus Bell or Ray Boone?|
|Jan-08-16|| ||Jim Bartle: Yes, I saw Bell play with the Reds, or at that time, the Redlegs. I was thinking of basketball. I saw Bob Boone play many times in college, but didn't even know who Ray Boone was.|
|Jan-08-16|| ||Bobsterman3000: K Porzingis is roasting the Spurs tonight, 22 points through 3 quarters and Knicks lead by 1.|
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