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|Apr-28-12|| ||HeMateMe: I want John McEnroe at shooting guard. Especially if there are any disputes with the refs...|
|Apr-28-12|| ||HeMateMe: Wilt, in college:
Check out the funky clock radio!
|Apr-28-12|| ||Jim Bartle: David Robinson was lefthanded? Didn't remember that. I knew I was missing a real obvious one, and it was Mullins.|
Derrick Coleman, one of the biggest underachievers ever. I remember him as a freshman for Syracuse in the 1987 NCAA championship game against Indiana and thinking, there's a future NBA great. Taken #1, more or less coasted through his career.
|Apr-28-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I'm looking at the first round of the playoffs. The only ones I see as at all competitive are Memphis-Clippers and Boston-Atlanta. I don't see Dallas beating Oklahoma City, but maybe.|
The others look like easy wins for the higher seeds.
|Apr-28-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Another great lefthanded center--Bob Lanier.|
|Apr-28-12|| ||HeMateMe: The Knicks have a history of upsetting the Heat in the first round of the playoffs. It's happened 3 times, I think.|
|Apr-28-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Not this year. Sorry, I just don't see it.|
|Apr-28-12|| ||Calli: Close game. Miami only leading by 30.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||Strongest Force: Is there anyone that don't believe staying fit in the NBA is a 24/7/365 job? When the players go on vacation they should maintain a fitness program. I am sure they don't. The Shumpert injury was like iceing on a cake. The short season without proper training was criminal and somebody could go to court. Playing in NBA is a war. Anyone in a war who is not ready for all the possibilities shouldn't be there.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||refutor: <miami only leading by 30>|
next game will be closer...i think game one was a much needed "reality slap" after all the papers saying that the knicks had a chance. i still think it will be an interesting series, but even before the rose injury i thought they were a better matchup for the knicks.
knee injuries are tough for guards who rely on athleticism...he's still young but we'll see how he comes back...
|Apr-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Sure you have to be in shape to play in the NBA. (Ask Oliver Miller.) It seems impossible for even the fittest players (Bryant, Nash, Wade) to play the entire game at top speed. Only a few big men can play 48 minutes, and that's because they don't run the whole time.|
But I think the bigger reason for injuries this year is the compressed schedule, too many games in too few nights. They'll have more rest in the playoffs.
|Apr-29-12|| ||Strongest Force: JB, I am glad you pointed that out. It was a double whammy: a combination of lack of preparation and too many games in too few days. How could bad results not happen?|
|Apr-29-12|| ||tamar: Derrick Rose relies so much on athleticism that I fear we won't ever see that player again.|
It wasn't totally unexpected though, at least for me. After an early back injury didn't respond to treatment, and he incurred injury after injury, he played more like C J Watson than his former self, and his expression on the court was emotionless, but in retrospect may have been apprehensive.
|Apr-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: NBA TV has a beautiful promotional clip of Rose going up for a jump shot, and he seems to just rise and rise and rise before shooting. Unreal.|
They can do amazing things with surgery these days. Years ago players never really recovered from serious knee or leg injuries. Elgin Baylor hurt his knee in 65 or 66 and was never the same player again. So millions of new fans to the league in the late 60s-early 70s only saw half a Baylor, and missed the wondrous player of the early 60s, the guy who averaged 38 points a game one year playing only on weekends, flying from his Army base to play a game or two.
|Apr-29-12|| ||Strongest Force: Tamar, Rose was not that physical, I know it sounds strange. I think if trainers looked closely they would have seen a more delicate Rose who was in need of a more vigorous training.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||tamar: <Strongest Force> I disagree. Rose was a physical wonder, and previous to this year, always in top shape year round.|
My theory is that his game was so predicated on balance, and explosive movements, that an extended injury allowed no time to slowly build back.
|Apr-29-12|| ||tamar: <Jim Bartle> I remember Baylor post injury as a dim shadow of his hang in the air days.|
I felt disloyal to the Lakers thinking Baylor should retire, but of course no one should have to drain their knees before games!
|Apr-29-12|| ||refutor: <They'll have more rest in the playoffs> it is funny how during lockout years the playoffs are a break compared to the 4 games in 5 nights of the regular season! :)|
|Apr-29-12|| ||Strongest Force: Tamar, I respect your opinion and you can be right and I can be wrong. However I will stick to my strong feeling that we did not view the full picture when it came to the health of Rose. Anyhow, even if he was the most fit man in the world, he may have a case against the NBA for what they did.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||tamar: <Strongest Force> Yeah, I thought it was unconscionable that the owners insisted on 66 games. |
You have the combined effect of too many games, and players out of their normal routines.
Rose may have relaxed training when the strike extended toward Christmas. I don't know.
But he did complain a lot about no-calls early in the season, which would have been consistent with a back injury very sensitive to landing awkwardly.
Maybe that was the case with Howard as well, come to think of it.
|Apr-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I'm trying to come up with a good joke involving Rose and Sixers GM Rod Thorn. No luck so far.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: I'm willing to bet that Baylor released his shot longer after starting his jump than any other player in NBA history. Longer than Jordan, Thompson, Rose, anybody.|
He could jump, of course, but the reason is that he released the shot not at the top of his leap, but just before he hit the ground again. Very odd looking, but effective.
|Apr-29-12|| ||HeMateMe: Rose and the Bulls reminds a little of the Detroit Pistons when they had Isaiah Thomas, super point guard, but were being eliminated each year by the best teams in the East. It took a little while for another piece or two to be added. More defensive minded physical players. Smart shooting guard Joe Dumars.|
Before they got it together, the Pistons had to rely on Thomas to dribble around a lot, take charge of the ball and take a lot of shots. a team relying on a guard for so much can't make it. That's the position Rose is in right now. The team needs one more inside player, a scorer who can also pass the ball, to take the pressure off of the Bull's backcourt. Until that happens, it's going to be a meat grinder for Derrick Rose, as he keeps taking the ball to the hole and getting knocked down.
|Apr-29-12|| ||Jim Bartle: Isiah's earlier teams also had some gunners, one-dimensional scorers like Dantley, Long and Tripucka. They replaced them with more all-around players and two championships followed.|
|Apr-29-12|| ||HeMateMe: Right, absolutely. I forgot about gunner Tripucka. He had to go. I think he was sent to New Jersey. Dantley was another bad fit, a one on one player.|
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