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| Jul-08-09 |
| Blunderdome: <blacksburg>, I think in 20 years we will be talking about how Kasparov was better than all these patzers we have now. |
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| Jul-08-09 |
| smaragdus: <blacksburg: i suspect you may be victim to the <good old days> syndrome...> Deffinitely no. I am not that old, I am 37, the age of Shirov, and when I was a boy Karpov and Korchnoy were in their prime, later appeared Kasparov, and more- I have never studied chess, never read a single book on chess and I have to admit that I began to kibitz chess games with rise of Topalov, so I am a laic at chess, but yet I enjoy what in my opinion is a beautiful game, for example- R Fontaine vs M Vachier Lagrave, 2007, and I cannot say that all the moves of black are sound, I have no chess software installed, I just watch and try to use my brain, and I share Vachier-Lagrave's opinion that preparation has gone too far. So you see that I acknowldege the achievements of the younger generation. Carlsen is impressive, of course, just he is not my type of player... <tamar: All we know,<smaragdus>, is that Jakovenko is highest rated Russian at the moment.> Now according to liverating it seems that Kramnik has again got ahead of Jakovenko, and I am not saying that out of sheer desire to become petty and nag, it is just the objective truth at the moment when I started to write. <tamar: You have to eliminate Armenian Petrosian, Ukrainians Geller and Stein, and Estonian Keres from consideration, also Latvian Tal, so are left with Spassky, Korchnoi, Smyslov and Polugaevsky...> I think that Polugaevsky should be eliminated too because I think he is Belarusian. But my idea was that many good players who never become popular were very strong (Kholmov, Bagirov, Platonov), but in thesen times if the communist party was not favourable to you, you could not achieve a lot, you didn't even have the opportunity to travel abroad if you didn't have the consent of the party, and the favourites of the regime were only few, Botvinnik, Petrosian, etc, and the vast majority of talented players could not develop their talents being in a severe isolation. I mean that in the sixties it was not as easy as now to make a name, to promote to the elite circle, and of course this concerned not only chess. Sometimes a loss meant terror, as was the case with Taimanov. There is no need to mention Tal, Korchnoi. So in these times you had to be the best to be given the chance to have an adequate chess career, and sometimes luck changed and your career was over. I have the impression that many player from the sixties are not well-known yet and that the quality of their chess is not worse than of the contemporary super grand masters, and what they achieved was not a result of ready-made computer chess analyses. Now things are easy, you just turn on the computer and you have innumerable games to explore and compare, you don't need to spend months to refute a line or a sacrifice, the engines do that almnost instantly. Yes, no one can tell what kind of a chess player Tal would have been if equipped with a little bit of artificial intelect (his natural one seemed to cope with chess quite well), or how Jakovenko would do if dropped in the sixties, would he be able to compete with Tukmakov, Boleslavsky, Smyslov. A very long post with only few claims, I am sorry, I just have the impression that after the Karpov era Russian chess is in constant decline, only Kramnik can be a real contender for the world chess crowm right now, while the other renowned Russian chess players- Svidler, Morozevich, Grischuk and Jakovenko seem to be quite far from having the chance to shoot for the title, while in the sexties at least five or six Russians were world class chess players and could be real contenders for climbing of the chess Olympus, and the decline of Russian chess can be seen most clearly maybe at the chess olympiads, where Russia struggles even for a medal place. |
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Jul-08-09
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| boz: Someone who has never read a single book on chess should have fewer opinions on the subject. |
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Jul-08-09
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| nimh: I'm not impressed |
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Jul-08-09
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| tamar: Agree that Kramnik is a better player than Jakovenko, despite temporary fluctuations. But even in the storied past, certain lesser known players like Polugaevsky, Stein and Kholmov outshone the famous stars, and it is possible for Jakovenko to do the same. I think this was the cause of GM Shipov's slightly hysterical annotations to Kramnik Jakovenko. Jakovenko needs a breakthrough performance, but has been very cautious overall. |
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| Jul-08-09 |
| returnoftheking: <smaragdus>
Wasn't Svidler (shared) 2nd in a world ch. tournament (san luis)?
If so we have at least 1 other contender.. |
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| Jul-08-09 |
| smaragdus: <returnoftheking: <smaragdus>
Wasn't Svidler (shared) 2nd in a world ch. tournament (san luis)? If so we have at least 1 other contender..> At San Luis Swidler shared second place with Anand and his score was +4, -1, =9, and his only loss was against Topalov, but at Mexico city he was fifth overall with +1 (the only win against the outsider Grischuk), 2 losses and the record 11 draws at that event. Recently Svidler has difficulties to keep steadily within the top ten players so I cannot regard him as a very strong contender for the title, but yes, Ponomariov and Kasimdzhanov have proved that every 2700+ player has some chances of becoming a world champion... |
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| Jul-10-09 |
| returnoftheking: Jakovenko is a real fighter. No (short) draws. Against Naijditsch he kept trying until he even got into a worse position. His games are usually last to finish. He has by far the most moves made in Dordtmund.
I think/hope that is good for his chess and he certainly should be invited to more supertournaments. |
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| Jul-10-09 |
| DCP23: <returnoftheking> Amen to that!! |
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| Jul-10-09 |
| returnoftheking: Win in 81 moves today! |
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Jul-10-09
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| wordfunph: whatta marathon win against Bacrot whew! Nice game Jako! |
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| Jul-10-09 |
| Gambitor: Well played endgame |
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| Jul-10-09 |
| erad1288: I just noticed this guy, and looking through his best games list makes me think that this guy is the berlin killer. All I can say is wow. |
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| Jul-11-09 |
| Whitehat1963: <returnoftheking>, I've become a Jakovenko fan, but to say <no (short) draws.> is too easily refuted: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... Though I agree that he's not one of the more frequent contributors to this kind of chess. |
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| Jul-11-09 |
| Whitehat1963: In fact, <returnoftheking> if you're looking for players who avoid short draws, look to Nakamura, Morozevich, Topalov, and Kasimdzhanov. |
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| Jul-11-09 |
| returnoftheking: Kasimdzhanov..?? Hmmm...
Anyway; I don't think Jako is the greatest fighter of all time, but at Dortmund he may be so. |
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| Jul-11-09 |
| Whitehat1963: On the other hand, if you enjoy short draws, here's your man: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Jul-11-09 |
| returnoftheking: hehe. I hear he was a very interesting player |
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Jul-12-09
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| laskersteinitz: Please give the man Jako a lantern. |
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| Jul-19-09 |
| yalie: interview with Jakovenko, who I have recently become a fan of: http://translate.google.com/transla... compare this guy's humility to the arrogance of other super GM's |
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| Jul-19-09 |
| lorker: <Whitehat1963> I don't think Nakamura really avoids short draws. Morozevich and Topalov maybe, but even they take them when its favorable to them. |
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| Aug-18-09 |
| goosesmack2: it is good to see jakovenko on his way out of the top 10, as he definitely does not deserve to be there... everyone talks about his amazing endgames but they really are not anything spectacular... try checking some out by kramnik or ponomariov or capablanca or akiba rubinstein if you want to get in line with good endgames. |
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Aug-24-09
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| meth0dSNK: this kid looks sharp |
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| Aug-27-09 |
| Whitehat1963: Now that Jakovenko is playing top opponents, we can conclude he is not quite ready for the very top (perhaps after some more seasoning). His record since 2008: Total number of games played: 128
Overall record
+32-16=80
Record with:
White
+24-12=33
Black
+8-4=47
In games that lasted at least 45 moves:
Games played: 54
Overall record record in "longer" games (45 moves or more): +20-7=27
Record with:
White
+13-2=14
Black
+7-5=13
In "shorter" games (44 moves or fewer):
Shorter games played: 74
Overall
+12-9=53
White
+11-2=32
Black
+1-7=32
The simple conclusion is that Jako is especially tough to beat in a longer game, especially if he's playing white. An opponent's best chance to beat him is in a short game when Jako is black. This leads me to believe Jako is susceptible to opening novelties, which is probably true of all GMs, though perhaps more true of Jakovenko. The bottom line is you don't want to get into an endgame with Jakovenko, especially if he's playing the white pieces. You want to surprise him early. It would be interesting to see a match between Topalov and Jakovenko, a true contrast of styles. Topalov throws out the novelties. If Jako survives into a long endgame, he probably wins or draws. My guess is Topalov would probably win. |
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| Sep-01-09 |
| Whitehat1963: Jakovenko drops out of FIDE's top 10 (now 11). But a couple of familiar names (Ivanchuk, Gelfand) recover their rightful places among the best. Meanwhile, pretender Gashimov drops to 14. See the full list here: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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