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Magnus Carlsen
Number of games in database: 1,509
Years covered: 2000 to 2013
Last FIDE rating: 2868
Highest rating achieved in database: 2872
Overall record: +385 -167 =422 (61.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      535 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (153) 
    B90 B40 B30 B43 B46
 Ruy Lopez (99) 
    C78 C65 C84 C67 C77
 Slav (50) 
    D15 D17 D12 D11 D10
 Nimzo Indian (47) 
    E32 E20 E21 E36 E54
 French Defense (36) 
    C11 C00 C02 C10 C03
 Semi-Slav (33) 
    D43 D45 D47 D44
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (158) 
    B33 B30 B22 B90 B76
 Ruy Lopez (99) 
    C67 C95 C65 C69 C78
 Queen's Indian (70) 
    E15 E12 E17 E13 E18
 Nimzo Indian (36) 
    E34 E21 E32 E55 E37
 Grunfeld (35) 
    D85 D86 D80 D82 D70
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (35) 
    C95 C91 C88 C96 C90
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Carlsen vs S Ernst, 2004 1-0
   Carlsen vs H Harestad, 2003 1-0
   J L Hammer vs Carlsen, 2003 0-1
   Kramnik vs Carlsen, 2008 0-1
   Carlsen vs A Groenn, 2005 1-0
   Carlsen vs Aronian, 2008 1-0
   Carlsen vs G Tallaksen Ostmoe, 2005 1-0
   Carlsen vs H A Gretarsson, 2003 1-0
   Jakovenko vs Carlsen, 2007 0-1
   Aronian vs Carlsen, 2008 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Norwegian Championship (2004)
   Norwegian Championship (2005)
   FIDE World Cup (2005)
   XXII Reykjavik Open (2006)
   Norwegian Championship (2006)
   Midnight Sun Chess Challenge (2006)
   Corus Wijk aan Zee Group B (2006)
   Arctic Chess Challenge (2007)
   World Chess Cup (2007)
   Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010)
   Tata Steel (2013)

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   The Carlsen Chronicles by MoonlitKnight
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 1) by Anatoly21
   magnus carlsen .. by sk.sen
   Mozart of chess by zarg
   Carlsen Favorites by chocobonbon
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 2) by Anatoly21
   Carlsen's winning miniatures by alexmagnus
   Carlsen in world championships:2005-07 by alexmagnus
   Magnus Carlsens Meisterwerke by tmh13
   Magnus- the teenager collection by hardliner

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MAGNUS CARLSEN
(born Nov-30-1990) Norway

[what is this?]
Magnus Carlsen is the world's top ranked player and possesses the highest standard FIDE rating ever posted.

Background:

He was born in Tønsberg, Vestfold. His parents are Sigrun Øen and Henrik Carlsen, both of whom are engineers. His father taught him chess at the age of eight after which he soon played his first tournament, a junior (Miniputt) Norwegian championship. He was coached by 7-times Norwegian Champion Simen Agdestein and by Curt Hansen. He won the title of International Master in 2003 at the age of 12 years 7 months and 25 days. In 2004, after having gained over 300 rating points in little over a year, he became the second-youngest grandmaster in chess history at the time, behind only Sergey Karjakin, at the age of 13 years 4 months and 27 days. Parimarjan Negi later pipped his record by 5 days to become the 2nd youngest grandmaster ever.

Championships:

<Age>: Carlsen won the 2001 U10 Nordic Championship. In 2002, he placed =1st in the Open Norwegian Junior Championship with 5.5/7, but easily won the same event the following year with 6/6. Carlsen started with 4/4 at the 2002 U12 European Championship but faded to finish sixth. In the 2002 U12 World Championship a few weeks later, Carlsen was sole leader coming into the last round, but was held to a draw by David Howell, enabling Ian Nepomniachtchi to equal his score and to win on tiebreak. He placed =3rd at the 2003 U14 European Championship, half a point behind Sergei Zhigalko and Tornike Sanikidze, a short time later placing =9th with 7.5/11 at the World U14 Championship in Halkidiki.

<National and Continental>: A couple of weeks after being eliminated from the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004) (see below), he placed =1st in the 2004 Norwegian Championship. However, after a 2-game play-off match with co-leader and until then, 6-time Norwegian champion, Berge Ostenstad was drawn, Østenstad was declared winner on tiebreak. In the 2005 Norwegian Chess Championship, Carlsen again finished in a shared first place, this time with his mentor Simen Agdestein. A rapid game playoff between them resulted in Agdestein’s victory by 3.5-2.5 (+2 -1 =3). Carlsen finally won the Norwegian Championship in 2006, after defeating Simen Agdestein in a tie-break match.

Carlsen’s first and and so far only participation in the continental championship in 2005 provided a solid 22-point boost to his rating when he scored 8/13 in the 6th European Individual Championship (2005).

<World>: Carlsen qualified for the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), but was eliminated in the 1st round tiebreaker by Levon Aronian. His hopes to become a contender for the World Championship in the future took a big step forward by placing tenth at the FIDE World Cup (2005), becoming the youngest player ever to qualify for the Candidates. In his first Candidates match in Elista in May, he drew 3-3 in the six slow games of the Candidates Match: Aronian-Carlsen (2007) before losing in rapid-play tie-breaks. He reached the final four in the World Chess Cup (2007) before being defeated in the semi-finals by the eventual winner, Gata Kamsky. Carlsen's final placing in the 2007 World Cup qualified him for participation in the FIDE Grand Prix for 2008-09. Soon afterwards he tied for first place in the Baku Grand Prix (2008), the first round of FIDE's inaugural Grand Prix series. Carlsen later withdrew from the Grand Prix cycle despite his excellent result in Baku, complaining about "dramatic changes to ... regulations." and that “…changing the rules dramatically in the middle of a cycle is simply unacceptable.”

On the basis of his rating, Carlsen qualified for the Candidates Tournament that would determine the challenger to World Champion Viswanathan Anand in 2012. In November 2010, however, Carlsen announced he was withdrawing from the Candidates tournament. Carlsen described the 2008–12 cycle as not "...sufficiently modern and fair", and added that "Reigning champion privileges, the long (five year) span of the cycle, changes made during the cycle resulting in a new format (Candidates) that no World Champion has had to go through since Kasparov, puzzling ranking criteria as well as the shallow ceaseless match-after-match concept are all less than satisfactory in my opinion." Carlsen qualified for the World Championship Candidates (2013) that was played in London, again on the basis of his rating. He placed =1st with Vladimir Kramnik on 8.5/14 after both players lost their last round games, but as the first tiebreaker (score against each other in the tournament which was 1-1) failed to break the tie, he won on the 2nd tiebreak which stipulated that the player with the greater number of wins takes first place; he had scored 5 wins to Kramnik's 4.

Carlsen will now challenge World Champion Anand and the Anand-Carlsen World Championship (2013) will be played in Chennai in November 2013.

Classical Tournaments:

Carlsen earned his first IM norm in January 2003 at the Gausdal Troll Masters when he scored 7/10. His second IM norm came in June 2003 at the Salongernas IM-tournament in Stockholm where he scored 6/9 and his third IM norm came in the following month at the 2003 Politiken Cup in Copenhagen where he scored 8/11. In early 2004, Carlsen made a major international impact when he won Corus C with 10.5/13, easily winning his first grandmaster norm and earning his entry to the Corus B in 2005. Carlsen obtained his second grandmaster norm in the 3rd Aeroflot Festival (2004) in February and his third grandmaster norm at the sixth 6th Dubai Open (2004), held between 18th and 28th April.

Soon afterwards he placed 3rd at the 12th Sigeman & Co Chess Tournament (2004) followed later that month with a solid =3rd place at the Politiken Cup 2004, a half point behind the leaders Darmen Sadvakasov and compatriot Leif Erlend Johannessen. In October 2005, he won the Gausdal Bygger'n Masters in Norway with 8/9 ahead of 9 other grandmasters. He continued to improve in 2006, tying Alexander Motylev for first place in Corus Wijk aan Zee Group B (2006). After several more strong performances during the year, including 6.5/9 at the XXII Reykjavik Open (2006), =2nd at Bosna Sarajevo Tournament (2006), =2nd behind Sergei Shipov at the Midnight Sun Challenge at Breivika videregaende skole in Norway, =2nd at Biel Int'l Festival (2006) (after beating the winner Alexander Morozevich twice), first at the Gausdal Classics GM-A and a joint second-place finish at Linares-Morelia (2007), he crossed the 2700-mark, the youngest player ever to do so. A relatively poor result at Dortmund (2007) (3/7) was followed by a win at Biel Chess Festival (2007) (His score was equaled by Alexander Onischuk and so they played a tie-breaker match to determine the winner. After drawing two rapid and two blitz games, Carlsen won the Armageddon game) and a par for rating =2nd at the Arctic Chess Challenge (2007) where he scored 7/9, a half point behind the leader Alexander Moiseenko, and 3rd at the Tal Memorial (2007) in November 2007.

In 2008 Carlsen was the joint winner of Corus (2008) A-Group together with Levon Aronian, and placed second in Morelia-Linares (2008) behind Anand. He won clear first place at Aerosvit (2008) with a dominant 8/11 score. His "disappointing" third placement at 41st Biel International Chess Festival (2008) with 6/10, a half point behind joint winners Leinier Dominguez Perez and Evgeny Alekseev, was nevertheless still a 2740 performance, whilst his equal second in the Bilbao Grand Slam Chess Final (2008) with 5.0/10 was a 2768 performance. His relatively meagre 7/13 at Corus (2009) was followed by equal second placement behind Kramnik at Dortmund (2009) with a 2773 performance and 2nd with 5/9 at the M-Tel Masters (2009). The arrival of Garry Kasparov in 2009 as his coach enabled Carlsen's finest tournament performance to date, and one of the best tournament results in the history of chess. Carlsen eclipsed a stellar field consisting of Topalov, Peter Leko, Dmitry Jakovenko, Teimour Radjabov and Wang Yue to win clear first prize with 8/10 at the category XXI Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009). Carlsen's performance rating for the tournament was a record 3002 and lifted his FIDE rating in the November 2009 list to 2801, which made him only the fifth player to surpass 2800, and easily the youngest. After a slow start, Carlsen placed equal second with Vassily Ivanchuk behind Vladimir Kramnik in the Category XXI Tal Memorial (2009), which fielded ten of the world's top thirteen rated players. He saw out 2009 with a win at the London Chess Classic (2009), a point ahead of Kramnik, a result which pushed him to the top of the world ratings in January 2010.

2010 saw Carlsen's success continue, winning Corus (2010) outright with 8.5/13, half a point ahead of joint second placegetters Kramnik and Alexey Shirov. In June 2010, he won the category XXI King's Tournament (2010) in Bazna in Romania by a clear two points with 7.5/10 and a 2918 performance. Following mediocre performances at the 2010 Olympiad and the category XXII Bilbao Masters (2010), Carlsen returned to form by winning the category XXI Nanjing Pearl Spring Tournament (2010) outright with 7/10 (+4 -0 =6) and a 2901 rating performance, a full point ahead of World Champion Anand who took outright second with 6/10, and finishing the year by winning the London Chess Classic (2010) for the second time in succession. After a slow start in the Tata Steel (2011) super tournament, Carlsen finished =3rd with Levon Aronian behind Hikaru Nakamura and Anand with 8/13 and a performance rating of 2821. He followed up in June by winning the Bazna King's Tournament (2011) on tiebreak ahead of Karjakin, both finishing with 6.5/10, and by winning Biel Chess Festival (2011) in July with a round to spare and with a final score of 7/10 (TPR 2835). After another characteristically slow start, Carlsen placed =1st with Ivanchuk at the 4th Bilbao Masters (2011) with 15 points under the Bilbao scoring system (+3 -1 =6) and a 2842 performance rating, ultimately winning the tournament in a blitz tiebreaker. Then in November 2011, Carlsen won the Tal Memorial (2011) on tiebreak with 5.5/9 (+2 =7 -0 and a TPR of 2850) over Aronian. Carlsen finished 2011 with 3rd place at the category 20 London Chess Classic (2011) behind Kramnik and Nakamura, scoring +3 =5 (TPR of 2879). 2012 started with =2nd (+4 -1 =8; TPR 2830) behind Aronian and alongside Radjabov and Fabiano Caruana at the Category 21 Tata Steel (2012). He won the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012) outright with 5.5/9 (+2 =7) and a TPR of 2849. The month after his strong results in the World Blitz he finished outright second behind Wang Hao in the Grandmaster Tournament of the Biel Chess Festival (2012). In October 2012, Carlsen repeated his 2011 feat at Bilbao by winning the Bilbao Masters (2012) in a tiebreaker, this time against Caruana. He finished up 2012 by winning the London Chess Classic (2012), the third time he has done so, with a score of 6.5/8 (+5 =3 -0) and a TPR of 2994 (only fractionally below his record effort at Pearl Springs in 2009). London 2012 was also made historic for the fact that Carlsen's result lifted his January 2013 rating to a new record, exceeding Kasparov's record 2851 by 10 points.

Building on his achievements of 2012, Carlsen won the category 20 Tata Steel (2013) tournament with a round to spare, his final score being 10/13. He also set a new live rating record of 2874 after his round 12 win over Nakamura. In May 2013 he played in the category 21 Norway Chess Tournament (2013) held in the Stavanger Region of Norway and came 2nd with 5.5/9, half a point behind the winner Sergey Karjakin; in the preliminary Norway Chess Tournament (Blitz) (2013) held to determine the draw, he came 2nd with 6/9 behind Karjakin, thereby earning 5 games as White out of the 9 to be played.

Rapid:

Carlsen won the Glitnir Blitz Tournament in 2006 in Iceland. In September 2006 Carlsen placed 8th out of 16 participants at the World Blitz Championship (2006) in Rishon LeZion, Israel. In the blitz tournament associated with the Tal Memorial 2006, namely the Tal Blitz Cup, Carlsen scored 17½/34 points and placed 9th in a group of 18 participants. In March 2007, Carlsen played for the first time in the Melody Amber blind and rapid chess tournament in Monte Carlo. In the 11 rounds of the 16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007), he achieved eight draws and three losses (placing =9th) then scored three wins, seven draws and one loss in the 16th Amber Tournament (Rapid) (2007) (=2nd), for an overall 8th place in the combined tournament. In March 2008, Carlsen played for the second time in the Melody Amber blind and rapid chess tournament, which was held in Nice for the first time. Carlsen achieved four wins, four draws and two losses in the Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2008), and three wins, two losses, and six draws in the Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2008), resulting in a shared second place in the overall tournament.

In the Chess Classic Mainz (2008), Carlsen finished in second place after losing the final to defending champion Anand 3:1 (two losses, two draws). 2009 saw Carlsen score equal first in the Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2009) with 7/11 alongside Kramnik and Aronian, and equal second with Veselin Topalov at M-Tel Masters (2009) behind Shirov with a 2822 performance. He also won the XXII Magistral Ciudad de Leon (2009), a rapid knockout tournament, ahead of Morozevich, Ivanchuk, and Wang Yue. Just a few days after his 2nd placement at the Tal Memorial (2009), he won the World Blitz Championship (2009) with 31/42, a full three points ahead of runner-up Anand. He shared first place at the 2010 Amber Rapid and Blindfold Tournament with Ivanchuk; scoring 6½ points in the blindfold and 8 points in the rapid, Carlsen accumulated 14½ from a possible 22 points. After a slow start in the Arctic Securities Chess Stars (2010) rapid tournament, he continued his success by defeating Anand in the two-game playoff for gold. In the World Blitz Championship (2010), held in Moscow on 16–18 November, Carlsen attempted to defend his 2009 title. With a score of 23½/38, he finished in third place behind Radjabov and the winner Aronian. After the tournament, Carlsen played a private 40-game blitz match against Hikaru Nakamura, winning with a score of 23½–16½. A phenomenal 9.5/11, 2.5 points clear of the field, in 20th Amber Tournament (Rapid) (2011) was insufficient for him to win the overall contest, as his results in the 20th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2011) were poor, resulting in a 2nd overall to 2008 and 2009 overall winner Aronian. In July 2012 he came clear 2nd in the World Rapid Championship (2012) behind Karjakin with 10.5/15, and clear 2nd in the World Blitz Championship (2012) with 19.5/30, half a point behind Alexander Grischuk.

Matches:

The DSB Bank match between Loek Van Wely and Magnus Carlsen took place 28th April - 1st May 2006. The four game classical time limit match was tied 2-2. Carlsen won the blitz portion of the match 3.5-0.5. He won a rapid match against Peter Leko held in Miskolc, Hungary, scoring 5:3 (+2 =6).

Team:

<Olympiad>: Carlsen represented Norway on board 1 in the 36th Olympiad (2004), the 37th Chess Olympiad (2006), the Olympiad (2008) and in the Chess Olympiad (2010). His best result was in the 2006 Olympiad, where he scored 6 points from 8 games and came 5th for board 1.

<National> He played board 1 for Norway at the European Team Chess Championships (2007) and won an individual silver medal.

<Club> Carlsen played four seasons in the European Club Cup. In 2001 and 2003 he played for Asker Norway on board 6 and board 1 (after he had gained his FM title) respectively, while his father Henrik was reserve on both occasions. In 2007 he played board 3 for OS Baden Baden, and in 2008 he played top board for MIKA Yerevan. His total game result from these 4 seasons was 15.5/27 (+11 -7 =9). He also played in the Norwegian Team Championship in 2002, 2003, 2005 and 2006, in the Bundesliga in the 2004-05, 2006-07, 2007/08, 2008-09 seasons, and in the Dutch Team Championship 2007.

In August 2006, he played in the NH Hotels event featuring the older Experience Team vs Youth team (easily won by the Youth team 28–22), and was equal top scorer with Alexander Beliavsky with 6.5/10.

Rating:

Carlsen's 1 June 2013 FIDE ratings are:

<Classical>: 2864, making him the top ranked player in the world. By the end of the June 2013 rating period, he will have been world number one for a total of 34 months. He holds the record for the longest period as the world's top ranked Junior (U20) - 36 months - from 1 January 2008 until 31 December 2010. He was also both world number one junior and world number one player for the first 10 months of 2010. Furthermore, he holds the record for the highest rating acquired by any player aged 13, and 15 through to 22 inclusive.

<Rapid>: 2845, number 1 in the world; and

<Blitz>: 2856, number 3 in the world after Karjakin (2873) and Grischuk (2858).

Other:

Carlsen won the Chess Oscars for 2009, 2010, and 2011, and he was also awarded Norway's annual Peer Gynt Prize for 2011 for being "a person or institution that has achieved distinction in society".* He has two sisters, Ellen Oen Carlsen and Ingrid Oen Carlsen. Carlsen helped Anand prepare for the World Chess Championships in 2007 and 2008 and 2010. Carlsen modeled for G-Star Raw's Autumn/Winter 2010 advertising campaign.

Sources and footnotes:

Wikipedia article: Magnus Carlsen; live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; official website: http://www.magnuscarlsen.com/; blogs: http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?b... (English language) and http://simonsenlaw.no/ (Norwegian language); * http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/03...


 page 1 of 61; games 1-25 of 1,509  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. K Ovesen vs Carlsen 1-038 2000 Det åpne NMA46 Queen's Pawn Game
2. Toan Thanh Pham vs Carlsen 1-032 2000 Det åpne NMB70 Sicilian, Dragon Variation
3. Carlsen vs H Sannes 1-060 2000 Det åpne NMA27 English, Three Knights System
4. A Flaata vs Carlsen 1-024 2000 Stjernen Grand PrixA07 King's Indian Attack
5. Carlsen vs J Svindahl 0-142 2000 Det åpne NMA36 English
6. H Bartels vs Carlsen  ½-½48 2000 Bayern-chI Bank Hofmann 4thC59 Two Knights
7. M Svendsen vs Carlsen 1-039 2000 Det åpne NMC02 French, Advance
8. G Kaiser vs Carlsen 0-136 2000 Bayern-chI Bank Hofmann 4thB08 Pirc, Classical
9. Carlsen vs I Cordts 0-130 2000 Bayern-chI Bank Hofmann 4thA31 English, Symmetrical, Benoni Formation
10. Carlsen vs P Brantzeg 0-152 2000 ASKOs Pinseturnering, Gruppe BC18 French, Winawer
11. Carlsen vs L Olzem  ½-½36 2000 Bayern-chI Bank Hofmann 4thD00 Queen's Pawn Game
12. T Christenson vs Carlsen 0-146 2000 Det åpne NMB70 Sicilian, Dragon Variation
13. Carlsen vs T Nielsen 0-145 2000 Det åpne NMA10 English
14. Carlsen vs I Cordts  0-130 2000 Bayern-chI Bank Hofmann 4thA31 English, Symmetrical, Benoni Formation
15. Carlsen vs T Solstad ½-½21 2000 Det åpne NME04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
16. J Banas vs Carlsen  1-070 2001 ECCA35 English, Symmetrical
17. Carlsen vs S Sollid 0-126 2001 Open NOR-chC63 Ruy Lopez, Schliemann Defense
18. Carlsen vs J L Hammer 1-045 2001 Nordic-chTD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
19. K Stokke vs Carlsen ½-½12 2001 Bergen Chess InternationalA36 English
20. Carlsen vs O Hole 0-136 2001 Classics IMAB12 Caro-Kann Defense
21. Carlsen vs Y Miellet-Bensan 0-151 2001 Nordic ChampionshipsB33 Sicilian
22. Carlsen vs A Moen 0-129 2001 Troll MastersC42 Petrov Defense
23. M Kouvatsou vs Carlsen  ½-½37 2001 ECCC55 Two Knights Defense
24. R T Andersen vs Carlsen  0-132 2001 Astlandserien 01/02 div. 1, SOSS - AskerE53 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3
25. Carlsen vs S Rukovci ½-½6 2001 Open NOR-chA21 English
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Sep-02-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  MrMelad: There's no doubt Giri has superb talent but I think we shouldn't underestimate the difference between being in the top 50 and being in the top 5. In the entire world, there are only few players that are capable reaching those heights, and even less that can dominate it.

Lay it easy on the kid, he doesn't need the pressure to be the next Carlsen, he can be the original Giri and now I think he needs to enjoy his life and his chess and only then maybe one day it we'll see him at the very top. Same goes for Karjakin, and SO all the youngsters should all drop the comparison to maximize their efforts.

Sep-02-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  SetNoEscapeOn: I have a hard time believing that a player has peaked at age 19- even if he sports a 2826 rating.
Sep-02-10  freakclub: <SetNoEscapeOn: I have a hard time believing that a player has peaked at age 19- even if he sports a 2826 rating.>

Personally, I'm also having a hard time accepting Elo Ratings as the true statistical measure of the player's strength.

A case in point is Pavel Eljanov, another lame-o who's now in the World Top Ten. This excerpt from his biographical capsule in CG speaks a lot, <Pavel Eljanov: September 2010 FIDE rating was 2761 making him the world’s number 6 and the number 1 player in the Ukraine, ahead of such luminaries as Vassily Ivanchuk and Ruslan Ponomariov, though he has yet to beat either.>

Sep-02-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  goommba88: exactly, it is possible carlsen has
come close to peaking in terms of rating
points, but being 2800+ isnt the end all
be all of chess.
if memory serves, anand has been in the
2780-90 range almost the whole time
he has been champion.
Sep-02-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Billy Vaughan: You guys talk as if Carlsen's nothing special except for his rating. Food for thought: when was the last time Carlsen finished below 2nd in a classical tournament? When was the last time Carlsen finished a tournament with a minus score? What do you see when you ask the same questions of other elite players?
Sep-02-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  acirce: <when was the last time Carlsen finished below 2nd in a classical tournament? When was the last time Carlsen finished a tournament with a minus score?>

So he's been on a lucky streak lately..

Sep-02-10  e4d4: The world is still adjusting to such classical play. Somewhere down the line they will figure it out.Hopefully, Magnus will manage the transition. Romantics aren't exactly fans of the classical school.
Sep-03-10  freakclub: <e4d4: The world is still adjusting to such classical play.>

The world has long suffered from this kind of play during the reign of Anatoly Karpov. But at least Karpov had some truly fascinating games.

And yet he never managed to join the 2800 Elo Bus.

Sep-03-10  ycbaywtb: i can read stuff here on Magnus' page, but on Wesley So's page i can't read anything, so i don't visit it.
Sep-03-10  Sistah: Good, stay here, no one poking your eyes to go read whatever you can't.
Sep-03-10  frogbert: <So he's been on a lucky streak lately.>

yup, that must be it, acirce. :o) and when "lame-o" eljanov can be consistently higher rated than freakclub's favourite nakamura, it's obvious that ratings don't mean much!

<This excerpt from his biographical capsule in CG speaks a lot, [...] "[Eljanov] has yet to beat [Ivanchuk/Pono]">

i guess freakclub is discreetly asking me to make an improved top player ranking only based on 2700+ records or maybe even more pointed: wins against the strongest (2730+ maybe?) players. is that it, freakclub? :o)

Sep-03-10  freakclub: All I'm saying is that the Elo Rating is not the true measure of a player's greatness. Carlsen currently has the highest rating in world. So what? Is he among the greatest already? Remember that Fischer's highest peak was 2780. Karpov never broke the 2800 barrier.

I find it hard to believe that Carlsen, at any point in his young life, at least so far, has exceeded Fischer and Karpov already.

Carlsen is a strong player, maybe very strong, but to use the words of Michael Buffer, there are stars, there are superstars, and there are legends.

Sep-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Billy Vaughan: I don't think anyone said Carlsen already exceeded Fischer and Karpov.
Sep-03-10  freakclub: Duh, their Elo Ratings say so...
Sep-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Billy Vaughan: <I don't think <anyone> said Carlsen already exceeded Fischer and Karpov.>

The Elo System is not a person.

Sep-03-10  freakclub: <Billy Vaughan> I sure do hope that you're not nit-picking here. My argument is that based on their Elo Ratings, Carlsen is better <greater> than Fischer and Karpov at any time of their lives.

If that is not so, and if you agree with me, then you must admit that the Elo Ratings are not the true standard of measuring the player's strength.

And if you agree with me, then that's it, as simple as that.

Sep-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Billy Vaughan: Elo ratings are not the only or "true" way of measuring a player's strength.

Also, the sky is blue.

Sep-03-10  ycbaywtb: what's the argument about ELO? we all know the ratings inflate over the years, and in the end you can't readily compare players of different eras

bottom line if Carlsen continues playing as he has, he will establish his own history

Sep-03-10  freakclub: <ycbaywtb> I haven't heard that Elo Ratings inflate. In fact, chess players of antiquity (before the establishment of the Elo System) are now given Elo estimates. Now, that's very distasteful, to say the least.
Sep-03-10  frogbert: for the period of january 2009 to july 2010 frogbert proudly presents the

<*** ultimate shark slayer champions rankings ***>

these are the rankings for real men - rankings that don't care about sissy draws or players that scoop up "rating points" by beating up on patzers, kids and old men. to top the shark slayer rankings you need to kill some of the 2730+ sharks in the big pool, you need to be gutsy and brave and take down prey with mighty sharp teeth, prey that fights back and doesn't surrender easily. these are the ultimate rankings - fide go home!

and without further ado - here they are!!!

<the top ten crazy wild shark slayers>

1. Carlsen: 20 kills
2. Aronian: 17
3-4. Grischuk: 13
3-4. Ivanchuk: 13
5. Topalov: 12
6. Anand: 11
7. Gelfand: 9
8. Svidler: 8
9. Radjabov: 7
10-11. Inarkiev: 6
10-11. Shirov: 6

<compulsive shark slayers with an eye for top prey>

12-15. Eljanov: 5 (Aronian, Gelfand, Radjabov, Leko, Wang Yue) 12-15. Karjakin: 5
12-15. Kramnik: 5
12-15. Ponomariov: 5
16-22. Bacrot: 4
16-22. Caruana: 4
16-22. Gashimov: 4
16-22. Kamsky: 4
16-22. Mamedyarov: 4
16-22. Van Wely: 4
16-22. Wang Yue: 4

<shark slayer apprentices learning to swim>

23-27. Akopian: 3
23-27. Alekseev: 3
23-27. Jakovenko: 3
23-27. Motylev: 3
23-27. Movsesian: 3
28-38. Areshchenko: 2
28-38. Bu: 2
28-38. Dominguez: 2
28-38. Jobava: 2
28-38. Kasimdzhanov: 2
28-38. Leko: 2
28-38. Nisipeanu: 2
28-38. Nyback: 2
28-38. Sasikiran: 2
28-38. Tomashevsky: 2
28-38. Vitiugov: 2

<wannabe slayers with only one kill>

(shared 39th to 70th)

*Adams: 1 (Wang Yue)
Adly: 1 (Gashimov)
Bartosz: 1 (Carlsen)
Belov: 1 (Grischuk)
Bezold: 1 (Shirov)
Cheparinov: 1 (Jakovenko)
Drozdovskij: 1 (Shirov)
Harikrishna: 1 (Karjakin)
Kasimdzhanov: 1 (Aronian)
Khenkin: 1 (Ponomariov)
*Malakhov: 1 (Svidler)
Naiditsch: 1 (Shirov)
*Nakamura: 1 (Gelfand)
*Nepomniachtchi: 1 (Grischuk)
Ni: 1 (Svidler)
Oleksienko: 1 (Gashimov)
Onischuk: 1 (Shirov)
Polgar: 1 (Gelfand)
Predojevic: 1 (Movsesian)
Ragger: 1 (Movsesian)
Rodshtein: 1 (Aronian)
Sakaev: 1 (Radjabov)
Saric: 1 (Jakovenko)
Shulman: 1 (Naka)
Sjugirov: 1 (Svidler)
Smeets: 1 (Ivanchuk)
So: 1 (Ivanchuk)
Solak: 1 (Karjakin)
Vladimir Georgiev: 1 (Eljanov)
Volokitin: 1 (Movsesian)
*Wang Hao: 1 (Movsesian)
Zhao Jun: 1 (Wang Yue)

<lost among goldfish>

*Almasi: 0
*Fressinet: 0
*Navara: 0
Nilsen: 0
Timofeev: 0
Vallejo: 0
*Wojtaszek: 0

(* = current live top list entries)

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look out for the next edition of frogbert's ultimate shark slayer champions rankings! until then, remember to brush your teeth!

Sep-03-10  frogbert: btw, the "lame-o" eljanov seems to be a "compulsive shark slayer" according to the shark slayer rankings. several others are not...

Eljanov: 5 (Aronian, Gelfand, Radjabov, Leko, Wang Yue)

Sep-03-10  frogbert: but admittedly, and i assume to freakclub's pleasure, the shark slayer rankings put ivanchuk well above eljanov in terms of kills - but eljanov is right alongside fellow shark-killer ponomariov, both having 5 kills each. :o)
Sep-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  rogge: Shark for crazy wild shark slayer Carlsen!

shared 39th to 70th are dead herrings!

Sep-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  Rolfo: Very good frogbert, the best posting ever? :)
Sep-03-10  frogbert: further analysis shows that some of the sharks have more than once fallen prey to the slayer wannabes:

movsesian - 4 times
shirov - 4 times
svidler - 3 times
aronian - 2 times
gashimov - 2 times
gelfand - 2 times
grischuk - 2 times
ivanchuk - 2 times
jakovenko - 2 times
karjakin - 2 times

among those who <never> have been caught off guard by a slayer wannabe, we find anand, kramnik, topalov... and leko & mamedyarov. no big surprises there either, i guess.

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