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|Mar-21-05|| ||Runemaster: <meloncio> I have only just seen your post about Sting's song "Russians" - I remember the song well.|
On a different point, I also recall reading Prok's autobiography many years ago, which included a drawing by (I think) himself, showing Prok and a friend playing chess. They were both obsessive players and the drawing imagined them a hundred years later, now ancient with long beards and cobwebs hanging off them, still playing chess.
|Mar-21-05|| ||Runemaster: <Bill RobeRTiE> Again, I have only just seen your post in which you say you don't like Prokofiev's music. |
Everyone has their own taste, of course, but I find it surprising that if you like Rachmaninov (as I do myself) you wouldn't appreciate some of Prok's works which are also in a late Romantic style.
As I can see you are a music lover, then if you don't know Prok's "Romeo and Juliet" that was mentioned above by other kibitzers, perhaps you could spend a few dollars on a CD (Naxos, which is nice and cheap) and try it out. I would be surprised if you didn't like it (particularly the gorgeous slow piece at the end "Juliet's Death") - if not, you can take the CD back to the shop and curse me. (Also try Prokofievs' "Classical Symphony" - the name really says it all).
Prokofiev, like Stravinsky, had phases and particular works that are much more "modernist" and more difficult to listen to, and others that are more conventional. For Stravinsky, his ballet music for "Pulcinella" and "The Firebird" is straightforward and elegant - Naxos does a "Best of Stravinsky" that includes extracts from both.
These guys could really compose well in any style they liked!
(By the way, I am not trying to publicise any music label, but just to suggest some of the cheapest and most easily available recordings I can think of.)
|Mar-23-05|| ||BiLL RobeRTiE: <runemaster> I'll make sure to check those out - thanks a lot for your recommendations! |
|Mar-23-05|| ||Runemaster: <BiLL RobeRTiE> I hope you like them. |
|Mar-23-05|| ||Larsker: <He wanted to come to Hollywood to score movies but Stalin didn't let him, alas.> Prokofiev did go abroad and made different productions but he was lured back to Russia by Stalin who wanted him as a symbol of the thriving Soviet culture. Once he got back to Soviet, it turned out that the promises were exaggerated - but he stayed at home this time around. If you read about Rackmaninov and how he missed Russia once he had moved abroad, you get a different perspective on this whole thing. |
As to Prokofiev's music, it's better to start with the easy pieces - and then, if you will, move on to the more complicated. I made the mistake of starting with Skythian Suite (which I still don't really like) but it's recommendable to start elsewhere. Even in the pieces which are not so fantastic, there are that special prokofian tone and way of blending the moods which can be quite addictive. He reused his own music on many occasions in different pieces.
One thing that puzzles me concerning his character: He was a very stern man with the mindframe of your average chess GM and could be outright cruel to other people. Yet his music is brimming with humour, irony and elegance.
|Jun-11-05|| ||WMD: From an article by Edward Winter, The Genius and the Princess, Olga Capablanca reminisces:|
"Another well-known musician often came to join us at dinner. I well remember the bell boy paging us nearly every evening: 'Mr. Prokofiev is waiting...'.
"Luckily we were all soon to depart to other destinations. I had not enjoyed Mr. Profokiev's company. He was rather what in those days was called a 'sourpuss'. I don't think he liked me either, for I represented a bit of old Russia, which he officially hated. A couple of times we had arguments. If I were to compare him to someone I would think of Alekhine. The same tinge of nastiness in a rather colorless face.
"Capa's taste in music was much stricter than mine. Bach was his favorite, then came Mozart and Beethoven, while I preferred more modern composers. Chopin, Rachmaninov, Grieg, Debussey, etc. We both adored symphonic orchestras, but while I was indifferent to chamber music, in Capa's opinion the string quartet was music's highest expression. Neither of us cared for jazz."
|Jun-11-05|| ||ughaibu: I wonder which chess players were fans of Stravinsky or Lutoslawsky?|
|Jun-11-05|| ||WMD: Fischer's favourite muscial artist seems to be Jackie Wilson.|
|Jun-11-05|| ||ughaibu: What was Chernev's comment about Nelson Eddie and Short'nin' Bread?|
|Jun-11-05|| ||paladin at large: <WMD><From an article by Edward Winter> Very interesting - thanks.|
|Jun-11-05|| ||Hanzo Steel: <Supersymmetry: Since language represents the mind conforming to reality, I don't believe one can regard someone who is, say, speaking 5 languages by the age of 10 a prodigy in that respect.>|
I think this reflects a blank slate, empirical perspective on language. Many studies, however, indicate that the human brain is specially equipped to learn languages. For example, when chimps and babies are raised together, the chimps never develop language skills. Another way that Noam Chomsky puts it is that we "grow" language rather than learn it. Since humans are able to develop this kind of language hardware that animals can't seem to develop, it seems to me plausible that some people could develop better hardware than others as "language prodigies."
|Aug-03-05|| ||Runemaster: <ughaibu: I wonder which chess players were fans of Stravinsky or Lutoslawsky?>|
A good question. Hubner? I'm guessing.
|Aug-03-05|| ||rexeterna: <Larsker:He never wrote a good opera - even if he tried 10 times - in my opinion because he couldn't take the melodrama seriously but had to ironize all the time.> |
I have to disagree with you on that one. Opera isn't all about melodrama, and it's not as if a good opera has to have some sort of melodrama. You could take any of Mozart's comedic operas (that some people consider the greatest ever) that have little to no melodramatic aspects whatsoever. Same with some Rossini, Donizetti, even Wagner. And yes, Prokofiev. The clear contradiction to that would be his "War and Peace," which is <quite> melodramatic and is quickly becoming a classic in the repertoire. But even some of his other comedies, particularly, "Love for Three Oranges," "Betrothal in a Monastery," and even "The Gambler" (which is really more comedy-drama) are all works of genius and quality.
|Apr-02-07|| ||aragorn69: More on Prokofiev, Capablanca and Botvinnik in recent Chess Notes : http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...|
|Apr-02-07|| ||keypusher: <aragorn69> Thanks for posting that. This is his description of Rubinstein: <our own Rubinstein – a coarse, unintelligent-looking face, a touch of the shopkeeper about him, but modest and talented compared to Tarrasch, erratic but dangerous to any opponent>|
Curious that he describes Rubinstein as erratic before the tournament began.
|Apr-02-07|| ||paladin at large: <aragorn69> Marvelous link and rich lore. Prokofiev is a fine chronicler, too. I had read somewhere that Humphrey Bogart was regarded as the best chess playing celebrity ever, but I wonder if Profkofiev was not better, considering he beat Tartakower straight up and gave Capablanca difficulty in simuls.|
|Apr-02-07|| ||keypusher: <paladin at large> Prokofiev is too good a chessplayer to count as a celebrity. :-)|
As is this guy: Marcel Duchamp
|Oct-12-07|| ||Whack8888: After getting the tip from adair10, I looked up Prokofiev on youtube. This is one of my favorite pieces of all time.|
It is the second movement of his 7th Piano Sonata.
|Jun-28-08|| ||apple pi: Favorite Prokofiev piece: Violin Concerto No. 1, especially the third movement - "The one with the wierd chromatics"|
|Sep-02-08|| ||ravel5184: My favorite Prokofiev piece: Toccata in D minor|
|Sep-02-08|| ||ravel5184: My favorite part - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSPD... @ 1:28|
|May-17-10|| ||BobCrisp: Some of my earliest chess memories are watching the BBC's coverage of the 1984-85 world chess championship match, presented by Jeremy James and Bill Hartston and with this memorable theme tune:|
|Sep-14-11|| ||Antiochus: [Event "Moscow blind"]
[White "Alexander Alekhine"]
[Black "Sergey Prokofiev"]
click for larger view
[Source "Franco Pezzi"]
1. f4 d5 2. e3 c5 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. Be2 e6 5. b3 Be7 6. O-O Nc6 7. h3 Bxf3 8. Bxf3
Bf6 9. Rb1 Nge7 10. Ba3 Qa5 11. Qc1 Nb4 12. Bxb4 cxb4 13. a4 Rc8 14. g4 g6 15.
d4 Qc7 16. Qd2 Qc3 17. Qe2 O-O 18. Rbc1 Bg7 19. Rfd1 Rc7 20. h4 f6 21. h5 gxh5
22. gxh5 Kh8 23. Kf2 e5 24. e4 f5 25. exd5 e4 26. d6 Bxd4+ 27. Kf1 Nd5 28. dxc7
Ne3+ 29. Kg1 Nxd1+ 30. Kh2 Ne3 31. Bh1 Qxc7 0-1
|Feb-13-13|| ||norami: As far as I can tell, Prokofiev wrote the last piece of music to make it into the standard repertoire of symphony orchestras - his 5th symphony, written in 1945. Since then - nothing, nothing by anybody. It's a dead art.|
|Apr-16-13|| ||Xenon Oxide: Shostakovich, Benjamin Britten? They both wrote some good stuff after 1945.|
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