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|Jun-24-09|| ||kingscrusher: Excuse me "BatGirl" (SBC)- can you explain this comment a little bit more - I am intrigued:|
"While searching I came across a funny bit of nonsense worth mentioning. This site, http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial... , asserts that "The Giuoco Piano is named after an Italian chess player called Gioachino Greco who lived in the 17th century.""
Does not Gioachino relate to "Giuoco" !
Does anyone know for sure if Chesscorner is right or wrong about this. I'm currently studying Greco and doing some youtube videos of his games at youtube.com/kingscrusher and am currently interested in his impact.
|Jun-24-09|| ||JonathanJ: giuoco means "game" in italian. giuoco piano means "quiet game".|
|Jun-24-09|| ||kingscrusher: Yeah, but it would have been very easy for FIDE to rename it from Giuoco Piano to something else - e.g. people that Analysed it.
Here is an analogous precedent to consider:
was originally called the "Greco Counter Gambit".
Maybe it was left as Giuoco Piano in respect of Greco's first name - i.e. his first name "Gioachino". They sound the same. Also maybe also because they already zapped his Greco Counter Gambit - and left him with a rather poxy variation called the "Greco defence" - 1.e4 e4 2.Nf3 Qf6, than more respect was deserving of Greco and the Italians in general for their influence in the evolution of chess ?!
The Greco Counter Gambit was later renamed by Fide to be the "Latvian Gambit" because of a lot of later analysis done it by Latvian players.
|Aug-06-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <kingscrusher> What's to analyse with the Latvian Gambit? It's garbage, end of story!|
|Sep-21-09|| ||Karpova: In C.N. 6320 Jeremy Silman wrote to Edward Winter in order to express his admiration for Greco. It's a long Chess Note with some annotations also, so it's definitely worth checking out.|
Here are some remarks:
Jeremy Silman: <There are many games which show Greco toying with his hopelessly over-matched opponents, and one gains the impression that he was a master of tactics and of open games, and that he was so far beyond other players of his time that it was, in effect, a case of a grandmaster versus players rated between 1000 and 1800. Once in a while, Greco would face someone who could fight back, which allows us to see Greco’s positional skills. It is possible that some, or even all, of the games were fabricated, but even if they were inventions they still show a chess understanding centuries ahead of his time.>
<My impression is that Greco was further ahead of his contemporaries than any player who came after him. He was clearly of grandmaster strength at tactics, his openings were (for his time) cutting-edge, and his play in open positions was world-class. Yes, he took liberties which would not stand up against stronger opponents, but I think that he was well aware of his opponents’ failings and thus had little or nothing to worry about – he swung the bat freely in an effort to create classic mates and attacks that no doubt amused him.
He had solid positional skills too.>
|Sep-21-09|| ||Gypsy: I love how SBC, just in passing, drops profound comments on the nature of games:
<... modern chess proved to be more tactical, and therefore more strategical (as all tactics flow from good positions). ...>|
|Jun-05-10|| ||SU1989: I recently started reading an openings book by the Turkish author Umit Unkan. In his book he gives the following game between Greco and a certain Marconi:|
<White: Gioachino Greco, Black: Marconi. (Genoa, 1619) 1.e4 e6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bd3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.h4 0-0 6.e5 Nd5 7.Bxh7+ Kxh7 8.Ng5+ Kg8 9.Qh5 Bxg5 10.hxg5 f5 11.g6 and mate to follow>
Now, I am not sure if this game is in the database or not. However, considering that all Greco's opponents were NNs, I found it interesting that the name of this player was given in the book. Maybe not all Greco's games were composed?
|Jun-05-10|| ||Calli: <SU1989> The game is here: Greco vs NN, 1620 Unkan probably meant Mariano Morano but, as far as I know, none of Greco's opponents are identified.|
|Jun-05-10|| ||SU1989: <Calli> Thanks for the link to the game. <as far as I know, none of Greco's opponents are identified.> That's why I found it very interesting that Unkan has provided a name. I had suspected that the name "Marconi" is stereotypically Italian and thus could have been made up, but a simple "Greco-Marconi" search gives this: (I believe it is in Spanish)|
|Jul-14-10|| ||fm avari viraf: Greco Sir, Nescio Nomen is at your service always but pardon me of my Chess tactics!|
|Jan-14-11|| ||kevins55555: Gee, the NN opponent must be easy!|
|Aug-11-12|| ||torrefan: RIP master Greco. We were saddened by your untimely demise.|
|Aug-11-12|| ||Petrosianic: Yeah, none of us will ever forget that day.|
|Aug-11-12|| ||perfidious: NN certainly wasn't displeased to see him pass on, I'm sure. Had the two never met, there would be a mere 480 losses against NN's ledger.|
|Jan-27-13|| ||dumbgai: Born "around 1600" but has two games dated 1590. ?|
|May-27-13|| ||offramp: RIP master Greco.|
|May-27-13|| ||Fiona Macleod: He's dead already??|
|Mar-09-14|| ||offramp: If he came back today he'd need a couple of hours to catch up on theory then he'd be world champion again. Chess really is that easy.|
|Apr-10-14|| ||Conrad93: Great player + way ahead of his time + domination over his contemporaries= greatest player ever, therefore Greco is the greatest player ever.|
|Apr-10-14|| ||Conrad93: The same reasoning used by Morphy fanboys.|
|Aug-18-14|| ||Ke2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGX...|
|Jan-09-15|| ||Avun Jahei: When I play the Giuco Piano (rarely) I usually play the moves of Greco's game Nr 45 (with White!), for it was the first game I studied in my life when I was a child. At least one time the resulting game was allmost exactly like the historical one|
So I guess - though those games are certainely composed - he too did actually play most of them. Maybe more than once. Because they are, for the most part, just illustrations of common opening traps.
|Jan-09-15|| ||Avun Jahei: Giuoco Piano of course.|
|Jan-26-15|| ||FSR: <perfidious: NN certainly wasn't displeased to see him pass on, I'm sure. Had the two never met, there would be a mere 480 losses against NN's ledger.>|
As you can see from the game list, Greco was so much NN's bęte noire that he beat NN twice 10 years before he (Greco) was born!
|Jan-26-15|| ||perfidious: <FSR> Superior talent will out!|
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