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|Jan-29-17|| ||zanzibar: Botterill, p15 in his <Open Gambits> book writes:|
<The analytical biography of the gambit is a sad story, with no hope of a happy ending for the gambiteer. In a way that is in keeping with the fate of Gioachino Greco (c. 1600-c.1635). There is a tale that, having won some 5,000 crowns by overcoming France's leading players in 1621, he was robbed of all his prize money by outlaws while visiting England in the following year. During his lifetime he peddled manuscripts on chess openings to wealthy patrons. When these were collected and published after his death they became enormously influential for more than a century. Yet in the long run his pioneering analyses were received with little gratitude, since masters who came after him - like Stamma and Philidor - were more eager to stress their own superiority than to accord credit that was due.>
|Jan-29-17|| ||Joshka: Well who did Greco learn the game from? Every game is NN. Much too strange.|
|Jan-30-17|| ||offramp: < zanzibar: Vintage early-period <offramp>:
<<offramp>: If Greco was given a few days to catch up on theory he would slaughter Kasparov, Kramnik et al! ;-)>|
Gioachino Greco (kibitz #25)
The irony remains, even if the smileys have disappeared.>
I did a slightly funnier version of the same thing at Mephisto (Computer) (kibitz #15).
|Apr-30-17|| ||sorrowstealer: Even Morphy played games to almost every infamous people (just you know some of their name and can put it)and here Greco was from 17th century|
|May-04-17|| ||Joshka: <dumbgai> Agree, this whole thing about GRECO is like most of our MSM "fake news" He's got games in 1590 and born around 1600..LOL So he learned chess from?? He NEVER lost a game??....these are all arranged, faked, ect.|
|May-04-17|| ||Petrosianic: <Joshka>: <Agree, this whole thing about GRECO is like most of our MSM "fake news" He's got games in 1590 and born around 1600..<LOL So he learned chess from?? He NEVER lost a game??....these are all arranged, faked, ect.>|
That's an insanely stupid argument. "None of his losses have been preserved, therefore he never lost a game at all, therefore none of his wins are real.
You might as well argue that 2+2=Purple.", therefore Purple is a small golfing umbrella.
|May-04-17|| ||perfidious: Gawdam, has the fake news craze migrated here, too? Enough already--take that horsebleep to the Rogovian mosh pit.|
|May-04-17|| ||Petrosianic: You forgot to mention the fact that he was such a good player even though he only played 79 games in his whole life. If we're going to be silly, at least take it to the logical conclusion.|
|May-05-17|| ||Joshka: Two games from 1590, then all the rest 30 years later!!!LOL....man you folks here are so gullible!!!|
|May-05-17|| ||Petrosianic: One sure thing about Joshka, when he makes a mistake, he always doubles down on it rather than being big enough to admit and correct it. (In this case, the mistake being that the database contains 100% of a player's games). It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't make so MANY.|
|May-24-17|| ||Sally Simpson: It must have been mentioned before but recently I've been reading how poor Greco's opponent were.|
These games are from the book 'The Chess Games of Greco' by Hoffmann which is misleading as Hoffman himself states these games were made up.
From the preface of Hoffmann's book.
"Of his contests over the board, unhappily, no records remain; but he left to succeeding generations a legacy in the shape of a collection of imaginary games...."
Nowhere in the book does Greco give his name or any other name. It is always 'White' and 'Black.'
He analysed the opening and closed with usually a sparkling finish for effect and was showing us what wonderful things could be done with the chess pieces.
We actually owe him a great deal. His book printed round about 1620 helped keep chess alive and fired the imagination and inspiration of all who read it for a few 100 years.
|Jun-30-17|| ||Christoforus Polacco: My opinion is - almost every Greco's brilliancy can be compilation of a few similar games played before against his not too strong oponents who were defeated by phenomenal Calabrese at real games. For example ten years ago my friend made such typical error like NN : 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 f6 ??? 5.N:g5 and black's position is lost. The same mistakes are cloned by centuries :)|
|Jun-30-17|| ||Christoforus Polacco: ANNEX. But one real game (or 'compiled' game) can be a source of a few another compositions. For example the real is my game above and black's real answer was : 5.... fg and next white's 6.Qh5+ with fast mate in a few moves. In such situation Greco usual analysed another sensible possibilities : 5....Nh6 6.Qh5+ Ke7 7.Nf7 Qe8 8.Qc5+ d6 9.Q:c7 etc. That analysis could emerge sooner or later at real Greco's game or ... never :) But I suppose Greco played a lot and also had a lot of occasions to test his theory in practice. I think that is the secret of Greco's method and his games agaist NN. We can say - NN is Greco's 'collective opponent' from quite veritable contests.|
|Jul-09-17|| ||offramp: <Joshka> you seem to be the only person on this site who <always> gets this wrong:
<...these are all arranged, faked, ect.>|
If you mean ect to be "et cetera" then the abbreviation is etc.
If you are referring to electro-convulsive therapy then you have been right all along and I apologise.
|Dec-17-17|| ||DarthStapler: Gioachino Greco facts:
- Deep Mind AlphaZero self-destructed when it heard it had to play against Greco
- Greco can mate with a king and two knights vs a king
- Greco can win against a tablebase from a losing position
- Greco once played a blindfold simul against Morphy, Capablanca, Alekhine, Tal, Fischer, Kasparov, and Carlsen, playing with just his king and one pawn against each. He won each game in under 10 moves.
- Greco can perform a triple check
- Greco can play 1. f3 and 2. g4 and still go on to win
- Greco is actually still alive. Death stopped coming for him because he was tired of being wiped off the board like a rank amateur.
|Dec-18-17|| ||DarthStapler: More Gioachino Greco facts:
- Some chess players can play blindfolded. Greco can play blindfolded bound and gagged in a straightjacket hanging upside down in a tank of water with 200 kg weights tied to each of his legs, and still escape before Harry Houdini can.
- Steinitz claimed he could give God pawn and moves odds and win. When asked about Greco, though, he fell silent.
- Greco has completed the Knight's Tour on an infinite chessboard. Thrice.
- Greco has never bothered to win the world championship for the same reason that Magnus Carlsen never bothered to win the championship of your local elementary school - too small scale and not worth his time.
- Greco was already at Grandmaster level when he was an embryo
- The first game of chess Greco played was against the doctor who delivered him, seconds after it happened. He won in 4 moves.
- Greco has only been checkmated once. He went on to win the game anyway.
- Greco was unanimously coronated as the God of Chess. As a romantic gesture, he decided to give the title to his then-girlfriend Caissa instead. Today, he still refuses to return her calls, telling her to 'git gud' first.
- Greco can win a game in -1 moves
- Greco can calculate combinations so many moves ahead that the board loops back to its starting position.
- Greco sometimes gives time odds: his opponents have as much time as they want, while he starts with 0 seconds on his clock, with no delay or increment. He always wins anyway.
- Greco is banned from chess puzzle solving competitions since, in the first one he entered, he ended up solving the entire game
- The only one ever to draw Greco was the guy who did the sketch of him in the upper right of this page.
|Dec-23-17|| ||DarthStapler: Yet more Gioachino Greco facts:
- The developers of the successful 'Play Magnus' app planned to follow it up with the release of a 'Play Greco' app. However it didn't make it past the focus groups when they discovered that all it consisted of was a single screen reading 'you lose'.
- A major scandal rocked the computer chess world championship recently when one of the engines was accused of consulting Greco for moves
- The usernotes of the old ICC user 'Smile' were actually accurate. What he doesn't tell you, though, is that he was Greco's student, and his teacher considered him a disappointment.
- Greco once played an illegal move. It then became legal.
- Mr. Spock once played a game of three-dimensional chess with Greco. When it was over, the Vulcan decided to take up 1-dimensional chess instead.
- Scientists once tried to program a computer based on Greco's brain. The result is what we commonly refer to as 'God'. Greco still gives it queen odds and wins.
- Greco can win games by sacrificing his king
|Dec-23-17|| ||PhilFeeley: Hey <Darth>. These belong on the Odd Lie page.|
|Dec-23-17|| ||HeMateMe: Boy, those Nuns could play a mean game of chess...|
|Dec-28-17|| ||DarthStapler: And even more Gioachino Greco facts:
- No one ever won a game of chess by resigning. Except for Greco.
- Alekhine once tried to use Alekhine's Gun in a game against Greco. He countered with Greco's Thermonuclear ICBM.
- Greco once published a chess puzzle with a 1500+ move solution that involved white sacrificing all of his pieces, promoting all of his pawns and sacrificing them, and then promoting his last pawn to a knight to deliver a smothered mate to black's king in the middle of the board. When people complained that the puzzle was too complex and could never have been solved in a human lifetime, Greco revealed that he just took it move for move from an ultrabullet game he played the previous night while he was half asleep.
- Greco, like Fischer, once won a tournament with a score of 11-0. The difference is that the tournament Greco played in only had 10 rounds.
- Greco receives a brilliancy prize every time he takes a breath
- NN used to be a famous and world-renowned player until Greco beat him so badly that he erased his name and identity out of shame.
- Greco's opponents kept inventing new types of odds to try to give them a chance against him. Once they got to King and 62 Queens vs. King and still couldn't win, they finally stopped.
|Jan-11-18|| ||Christoforus Polacco: <Darth Stapler> You are mistaken Greco with Chuck Norris ;)|
|Jan-11-18|| ||todicav23: <Darth Stapler> Very good job! We need more facts about Greco.|
|Jan-26-18|| ||Kaspablanca: <Christoforus Polacco> Chuck Norris and Mcgyver.|
|Feb-18-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Sally Simpson: It must have been mentioned before but recently I've been reading how poor Greco's opponent were.>|
Yes, only two of them even owned a pair of shoes.
|Feb-18-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: 'Tis a shame that Gioachino Greco never played Roman Dzindzichashvili|
We would have a ready-made pun - Greco - Roman Wrestling!
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