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|May-14-04|| ||ruylopez900: <Gypsy> What gives you that idea? Ruy Lopez analyzed the opening (aka the Spanish) an gave it a positive grade. Do you really think it would be named after him if he had scorned it and laughed at it? |
|May-14-04|| ||Gypsy: No offense, <ruylo>, this is just a kind of folklore, perhaps an urban legend, that goes around and gets repeated in several inrotoductory texts. It essentially states that Ruy Lopez was contrasting 3.Bc4 (Italian) to 3.Bb5 (Spanish) and gave preference to the former. I hope that someone here can easily either confirm the legend or debunk it. After all, Ruy Lopez writings still exist.|
We do know that the initial encounters of Ruy Lopez with the Italians were successful for Ruy. But, in 1574, Leonardo of Calabria defeated Ruy Lopez in a match and for the next hundred years the Italian school of chess dominated (Polerio, Salvio, Greco...). As a playing style, the romantic school reigned yet another hundred years or more. That could easily give a rise to the urban legend I mention: Authors coppy from each other, change wording, meaning drifts, and, over time, an urban legend is born.
|May-14-04|| ||ruylopez900: <Gypsy> I would definitely believe that he would prefer the Italian for one reason. Back then not gambitting a pawn was considered chickening out. The Italian was as "quiet" as it got. The Ruy Lopez was considerably quieter and more positional in nature.|
--The Bishop attacks the Knight that defends the pawn that's attacked by the Knight-- (the House that Ruy built)
|Jul-19-04|| ||Jesuitic Calvinist: I really wish some books of (or about) the very early players were available. Any suggestions much appreciated. |
|Mar-18-05|| ||aw1988: Actually, if I may clear something up: Ruy Lopez is named after this player... but, he did indeed call 3. Bb5 weak! |
|Mar-18-05|| ||Eric Schiller: <AW1988> Quite right, and that is why most of the world calls the opening the Spanish Game. |
|Jul-29-05|| ||Knight13: The Old-times Unofficial World Champion! Considered a very strong player back then. RUY LOPEZ, Bb5! YEAH!|
|Dec-05-05|| ||tintin: Yeah, his opening idea 3.Bb5 wasn't a bad idea except for the fact that ..3.Nd4 refutes it ;) GO THE BIRD!|
|Feb-03-06|| ||McCool: Why aren't there more Ruy Lopez games, this guy was great!|
|Feb-24-07|| ||SirBruce: Ercole Del Rio, the 18th century Italian chess writer, didn't have very high praise for Ruy Lopez:|
"This writer [Ruy Lopez] made but little progress after Damiano; he, also, having few openings, and these so inconclusive and defective, that the Student can learn very little from them. He was a barren genius, and entirely deprived of that enthusaism whish is so necessary, particularly in the attacks."
|Feb-25-07|| ||vonKrolock: <SirBruce> That's a very interesting quote, and one that should be better known... Do You known if it's in Ercole's "Sopra il Giuoco degli Scacchi" (1750), or elsewhere?!|
|Feb-25-07|| ||SirBruce: It's from "The Incomparable Game of Chess" originally published, according to J.S. Bingham's translation, in 1769. Chapter 5 has a section where he discusses his opinion of previous writers of the game: Damiano, Ruy Lopez, Greco, etc.|
|Feb-26-07|| ||dw98: Damiano analyzed a poor opening and rightfully condemned it, but it was named after him anyway - See Ruy Lopez vs Leonardo di Bona, Rome. I read that Senior Lopez gave advice such as to place the board such that the light shines in your opponents eyes. Anyway, I think the opening named after him is quintessential chess.|
|Feb-26-07|| ||SirBruce: Yes, and the Greco Defence is not one that seems to have ever been played by Greco, but rather illustrative of his opponents' tendancies of bringing the Queen out too early.|
|Feb-26-07|| ||SirBruce: Anyway, your point may have been that Del Rio's first sentence referred simply to the openings Ruy Lopez wrote about, and that may be so, but the second sentence seems to clearly refer to the man himself.|
|Sep-13-07|| ||greenrook: Does anyone know how "Ruy" should be pronounced?
I have heard people speak it as Roy/Rye/Roo-ee but have never been sure.
|Sep-19-07|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: <greenrook>, I have bad news for you. I was taught a fourth pronunciation which is the hardest of them all--for lack of a better idea, I'll spell it "Rwooee," and pronounced with only one syllable. If that's possible.|
|Sep-19-07|| ||elLocoEvans: It's quite easy, it goes something like "Rooeeh Lohpeth deh Segoorah" , one syllable as said above, a short name.|
|Oct-22-08|| ||vikinx: walalallalla I'm getting my tounge twisted up!|
|Dec-10-08|| ||Fusilli: <<elLocoEvans> it goes something like "Rooeeh Lohpeth deh Segoorah"> Correct if you want the Spanish-Spanish pronunciation. Most Spanish speakers in the world (who aren't Spanish, just like most English speakers are not English) would not pronounce the last letter in Lopez as "th" (the Spanish sound) but simply as "s". When it comes to Ruy Lopez, I believe the most common pronunciation mistake is the wrong stress on the "pez" part of "Lopez". Stress should be put on the "Lo" part. In fact, "Lopez" is actually spelled "López", and that's what the "acento" is indicating: stress on "Lo", not on "pez".|
|Apr-10-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: They should name an opening after him!|
|Oct-30-09|| ||Petrosianic: <ruylopez900> <Ruy Lopez analyzed the opening (aka the Spanish) an gave it a positive grade. Do you really think it would be named after him if he had scorned it and laughed at it?>|
Yeah, it just might. That's pretty much how Damiano's name got onto Damiano's Defense.
|Jul-14-10|| ||technical draw: I heard that Ruy Lopez had an encyclopedic knowledge of the openings. Of course there was only one opening then.|
|Dec-15-13|| ||EGarrett: Best thing is that he was literally a Bishop.|
|Dec-30-14|| ||john barleycorn: Ruy Lopez never played the Ruy Lopez according to this database. In fact, he used it as an example for bad play. Steinitz followed him in that assessment.|
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