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|Aug-26-13|| ||bengalcat47: Interesting to know that Mingrelia is part of Georgia, but you won't find it anywhere near Atlanta!|
|Aug-26-13|| ||Thanh Phan: Apparently there is more then one Georgia location in the world, interesting things that can be learned here|
|Sep-02-13|| ||Lovuschka: Prince Dadian of Mingrelien was of course the best chess player of all time, winning every single game and then in only rare cases more than 20 moves are needed. He beat players with hundreds of years of experience like the famous NN.|
|Oct-24-13|| ||Penguincw: Happy Birthday Prince Andrey Dadian of Mingrelia.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||FSR: Undoubtedly the greatest chess genius of all time. He won every game, and in brilliant fashion to boot. Morphy and the rest are pikers by comparison.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||Bubo bubo: To be honest, I am indignant about today's <Player of the day>! What is this "nobleman" doing here?|
Andrey Dadian payed other players to "lose" scripted "brillancies" against him. That alone is despicable, but his hateful actions against Duz-Khotimirsky (challenged to a duel for publishing a win against Dadian) and Chigorin (expelled from Monte Carlo 1903 at Dadian's request) are just evil.
Instead of making this villain <Player of the day>, cg should rather consider to remove him and his fraudulent fabricated games from the database.
|Oct-25-14|| ||TheFocus: <Bubo Bubo> <Instead of making this villain <Player of the day>, cg should rather consider to remove him and his fraudulent fabricated games from the database.>|
You are absolutely right.
He should be listed as Villian Of The Day.
|Oct-25-14|| ||TheFocus: But I doubt they will do it.|
|Oct-25-14|| ||john barleycorn: Makes me wonder how much he paid Kolisch
Prince Dadian vs Kolisch, 1867
Prince Dadian vs Kolisch, 1885
|Oct-25-14|| ||zanzibar: zanzibar: I can't help help myself....
"Prince Dadian, the best chessplayer money can buy."
Couldn't pass the chance to make a joke.
But playing over the first game I can see how Kolisch could have stumbled. White was throwing all his pieces into the attack, sacrificing right and left.
For example consider this position:
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(Black to move and defend)
Kolisch played the natural looking 14...d6, which loses.
Then comes 15.Re1 Bd7 16.Rxd7+ Kxd7 17.Bb5+ Of course, not playing 17...Nc6 was a little suspect, but overlooking 17...c6 18.Qe7+ Kc8 19.Nd5! isn't totally obvious.
|Nov-09-14|| ||andrewjsacks: <Lashab> Mingrelia was a historical state in the current nation of Georgia, according to the Wikipedia.|
|Nov-09-14|| ||andrewjsacks: Mingrelia, of course, hosted a famous visit by the Miffentiff of Boffindale, an Indian Potentate, who valued the salutary health effects of the rare mineral deposits found on the banks of the Black Sea.|
|Nov-09-14|| ||andrewjsacks: Every school child in Georgia knows that story.|
|Mar-08-15|| ||perfidious: Greatest. Player. Ever.|
|May-03-15|| ||thomastonk: A published loss!*
From Steinitz' International Chess Magazine, June 1886, pages 181-182 (with thorough comments not reproduced here):
[Site "St. Petersburg"]
[White "Prince Andrey Dadian of Mingrelia"]
[Black "Alexander Vladimirovich Solovtsov"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4 Bb6 5. a4 a6 6. a5 Ba7 7. c3 Nf6 8. d3 d6 9. Be3 Ne7 10. Bxa7 Rxa7 11. Nbd2 Ng6 12. Qb3 O-O 13. Ng5 Qe7 14. h4 h6 15. Ngf3 c6 16. O-O-O Qd8 17. d4 d5 18. Bd3 exd4 19. Nxd4 Nf4 20. Qc2 c5 21. Ne2 Nxd3+ 22. Qxd3 cxb4 23. cxb4 b5 24. e5 Ng4 25. Qd4 Rc7+ 26. Kb2 Qe7 (26... Nxe5!) 27. Nf4 Rc4 28. Nxd5 Rxd4 29. Nxe7+ Kh7 30. Nc6 Rf4 31. g3 Rxf2 32. Rhe1 Bb7 33. Nd4 Rd8 34. Kc3 Rg2 35. Nf5 Nf2 36. Rb1 Rd3+ 37. Kc2 Ra3 38. Kb2 Ra4 39. Kc3 g6 40. Ne3 Rxg3 41. Rb2 Rxe3+ 42. Rxe3 Nd1+ 43. Kd4 Nxb2 44. Kc5 Bc8 45. Rb3 Nc4 46. Nf3 Be6 0-1 ("And after a few moves White resigned.")
Not a brilliancy, but no bad game either. And for Prince Dadian a very long game, though it is even incomplete.
About the date. Steinitz wrote: "The following toughly contested game was played, some time back, at St. Petersburg between ..." Furthermore, in the International Chess Magazine, August 1885, pages 249-250, Steinitz published another game** between the same opponents and stated that it was played recently. So, 1885 is one possible guess for the year of the game above.
*: Not the first one. <WilhelmThe2nd> found and <batgirl> republished another loss against Fyodor Ivanovich Dus Chotimirsky, played in 1902, in an article called "Lesser Known Games of Prince Dadian", see http://schach.chess.com/article/vie... .
**: Already found by <Calli> and also republished by <batgirl> here: http://www.edochess.ca/batgirl/Dadi... . That game is also present in the "Lesser Known ..." article, but I couldn't find there references to <Calli> for finding and to <Steinitz> for the comments.
|May-03-15|| ||tamar: Sacha Baron Cohen could play him in the movie version, and people would suppose that Prince Dadian and the kingdom of Mingrelia were wild inventions.|
|Nov-29-15|| ||offramp: I went to Mingrelia when I was young.
Really wacky place.
The only thing I remember clearly is that all the cars went backwards.
|Nov-30-15|| ||Karposian: Mingrelia.. they say in this guy's bio that it's a province of Georgia, of all places! |
Rather unknown. It must be up in that remote northern Georgia wilderness, you know? Where 'Deliverance' took place?
That banjo-playing inbred in the film, he must have been a so-called "mingrel" (not to be confused with a "mongrel" who is mixed-breed, i.e. the exact opposite of "mingrel").
Man, one learns new things every day..!
<offramp: The only thing I remember clearly is that all the cars went backwards.>
LOL. You're just pulling our leg. They don't have cars in Mingrelia. You've gotta use canoes up there.
Just watch the film.
|Jun-27-16|| ||Jim Bartle: "Excellent move, Your Highness. I hadn't seen your cunning trap."|
|Aug-21-16|| ||piltdown man: This fellow's chess prowess is similar to Kim Jong I'ls golfing exploits.|
|Oct-24-16|| ||Bubo bubo: Oh no - the Prince of Fake is <POTD> again! Is there really no worthy player born on October 24?|
|Oct-24-17|| ||Agferna: No losses; no draws; all wins!!!
Sniff, sniff, I'm starting to smell something and fully agree with historians' concerns.
|Oct-24-17|| ||theagenbiteofinwit: Don't let this man's record of destruction otb distract us from the fact that His Majesty was rocking skinny jeans over a century before it became cool.|
|Oct-24-17|| ||Bubo bubo: Imho <Player of the day> is supposed to be an award for a venerable player. Hence the widely and rightly despised Andrey Dadian, <The Disgrace and Scandal of Chess>, does not deserve to be POTD even once, let alone every year!|
If there is really no worthy player born on October 24, I propose our veteran NN instead: contrary to Prince Fake he never tried to hide his losses.
Details about the rogueries of the notorious "nobleman" can be found here: http://www.edochess.ca/batgirl/dadi...
|Oct-28-17|| ||Bubo bubo: <If there is really no worthy player born on October 24, I propose our veteran <NN> instead:>|
Wouldn't Ding Liren be an obvious choice for <POTD>, namely on his 25th birthday? But for some reason cg prefers an oldtime fraudster to a contemporary Super-GM! :-(
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