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|Mar-14-06|| ||MaxxLange: I play for blood against kids, you never know when you have been paired with one much stronger than you :)|
|Mar-14-06|| ||AlexanderMorphy: 1889!?!?!?!? omg if shes rated that highly then i must be rated over 3000!|
|Mar-14-06|| ||dafish298: that rating is probably fairly accuruate..she probably played alot of 2200+ players and lost and then had a draw or some wins against players rated under 2000 FIDE..fide rating system is very different than uscf|
|Mar-14-06|| ||apawnandafool: She must have studied De La Maza's Book:
She was 1663 on 2006 Mar 2
Cottrell vs. Schneider.
She was 1887 on 2006 Mar 8
Kleiman vs. Cottrell
|Mar-14-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Lose games and gain points!
She sounds like Milo Minderbinder from Catch-22, who bought eggs for 8 cents, sold them for 5 cents, and made a 2 cent profit.
|Mar-14-06|| ||AgentRgent: <apawnandafool> 1663 is her USCF rating, 1887 is here FIDE rating.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||whiskeyrebel: The Basherlor, do you know Kelly personally? I doubt it. You're just one of many internet marks passing judgement on her based on what they read. It's understandable that you pass judgement on her chess, but to attack her personally is cowardly (since you do so anonymously) and uninformed. What have you ever done that makes you any more interesting?..oops..you're an "anonymous" critic..we'll never know that.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||cade: <whiskeyrebel> Do you even know what mark means? Obviously not. Please only use words you actually understand from now on.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||whiskeyrebel: Cade, you're an anonymous "mark" too. You may be a very nice person, but you're just a "mark" not a chess insider..neither am I.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||The Basherlor: <cade: <whiskeyrebel> Do you even know what mark means? Obviously not. Please only use words you actually understand from now on.> <whiskeyrebel>'s answer is what we call in popular terms: "Self destruction, Autogoal".|
But don't misinterpret me. What I meant is that her participation in the US championship, blogging about dates, chocolates flowers, cell phone calls, etc. What is this? It looks like they created a reality show called: "Playing with the stars" in which any patzer was selected to share the same place with professional players...
What bothers me is not the fact she is a bad player, everyone has the right to do that. But participating in a tournament for being the wife of one organizers and the blogmeister of the official page, it is disrespectful with lots of people who work hard for being a chess professional in the US despite the strong cultural stereotypes against that in America. Her attitide in the blogs ishows me the lack of ambitious and seriousness of her participation.
A quote which seem that Ms Cottrell did not read (has she read something serious about chess?)
"Lose with grace and resign in a timely manner. If you are a lot of material down and don't have sufficient compensation, it is time to lay down your arms. This way you show your respect for both chess and your opponent."
|Mar-14-06|| ||whiskeyrebel: I don't think the blogs reveal a full picture of any of the players. One thing is for sure, her husband was not one of the organizers. He was just another player ( Ben Finegold). She qualified on her own to get into the tournament at the National open 2005 and even paid a fee ahead of time gambling that she might qualify. I understand a bit better why you don't like her..but unless you've met her or have seen a side of her beyond the internet it's sort of like the tale of the blind men and the elephant. Indeed, we are all marks here with the exception of posting chess players and organizers.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||Sneaky: Bashelor tries to explain what his gripe with Kelly is: <participating in a tournament for being the wife of one organizers and the blogmeister of the official page, it is disrespectful...> What a load of tripe. Where did you ever get that crazy idea? |
Oh yes, I can see it now "WANTED: Blogmeister for large non-profit website. Some experience required. Starting pay $20/hour plus bonuses - dental insurance, paid vacations, and a free entry into the US Championship."
|Mar-14-06|| ||cade: <Cade, you're an anonymous "mark" too. You may be a very nice person, but you're just a "mark" not a chess insider..neither am I.>|
Incorrect. A "mark" is a sucker, someone who you can easily take advantage of. It is used for instance to describe people who play rigged games at fairs or kids who believe professional wrestling isn't fixed.
If you believe what Fischer says about modern chess maybe we are all just marks, but I doubt that.
A mark does not mean someone is not an insider. That is simply wrong.
|Mar-14-06|| ||whiskeyrebel: Cade, I'm very familiar with the term "mark". I know a few professional wrestlers..my band (which had a working onetime ECW manager for a singer for 8 years) has recorded songs about the squared circle since the mid 80's. Would you be happier if I used the phrase "smart marks" or "smarks" in association with some of the folks here who think they're capable enough of judging an "insider" in the chess world by what they read on the net?? If one of the players from the U.S. championship or perhaps a chess enthusiast from Michigan (her home state) were lambasting Kelly's personality here It would be a more informed commentary. That doesn't seem to be the case though...it's anonymous "smart marks" who think they know what's going on.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||The Basherlor: <Sneaky: Oh yes, I can see it now "WANTED: Blogmeister for large non-profit website. Some experience required. Starting pay $20/hour plus bonuses - dental insurance, paid vacations, and a free entry into the US Championship.">|
Very funny, I realized I said "wife of organizer" instead of "wife of participant", so it was an involuntary mistake. Of course, this does not change the nature of my comment, but you are right in the precisions.
|Mar-14-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Hey, we'd better stop writing so much about her, or AJ will feel snubbed.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||MaxxLange: Your band does songs about wrestling? Sounds like fun!|
I don't think the bloggers were supposed to write only about serious chess; I had the impression they wanted to personalize their coverage of the tournament and told people to say whatever they wanted, just like real bloggers.
|Mar-14-06|| ||Jim Bartle: I think Kelly Cottrell's only sin was to play out absolutely hopeless positions to checkmate. She qualified and had every right to play (and played well until past the first time control in the last round), and could write whatever she wanted on the blog. I mean, other players wrote about the shortage of snacks. (Which brought results.)|
|Mar-14-06|| ||cade: <whiskeyrebel> You might be familiar with the term mark but you obviously don't quite grasp what it means.|
|Mar-14-06|| ||Jim Bartle: I remember a saying, "If you sit down at a poker game and can't spot the mark within five minutes, then it's you."|
|Mar-14-06|| ||Sneaky: <The Basherlor < I said "wife of organizer" instead of "wife of participant", so it was an involuntary mistake. Of course, this does not change the nature of my comment.>> Of course it doesn't, it's an inane comment either way. What exactly is your point? You are upset because of what, again?|
|Mar-15-06|| ||Karpova: <Sneaky: What exactly is your point? You are upset because of what, again?>
Some people don't need a reason to be upset. It's just their purpose in life.|
|Mar-15-06|| ||cu8sfan: OK, I know I'm late joining here but why, why on earth is there such a big discussion about this player?|
|Mar-15-06|| ||radu stancu: <cu8sfan> She participated in the US Championship where she didn't do very well (understatement...). IIRC, people wonder if the only reason she got it is because she's the wife of one of the organizers. We're just tired of the Kramnik/Topalov/who's the champ debate and needed a change. ;)|
|Mar-15-06|| ||Jim Bartle: Sorry, can't resist: Because she's the chess equivalent of the Cubs.|
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