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| May-29-09 | | myschkin: . . .
Six-time City of London Chess Club champion. Many chess databases give Mr. Lawrence's first name as <Charles> but this is incorrect. According to Hilburt's account, Lawrence had only been playing chess since about 1890 or 1891. |
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Aug-15-15
 | | MissScarlett: <vonKrolock: Was (?!) this the player that played in the Brooklin Chess Club Championship in 1907...> <Many chess databases give Mr. Lawrence's first name as <Charles> but this is incorrect.?> This DB gives Mr. Lawrence's first name as <Thomas>, but this is incorrect: T F Lawrence vs C Curt, 1907
Charles A Lawrence: http://www.edochess.ca/players/p432... |
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Oct-07-15
 | | offramp: Slight difference of opinion here, Jeffrey:
<myschkin:...Many chess databases give Mr. Lawrence's first name as <Charles> but this is incorrect.> <MissScarlett:...This DB gives Mr. Lawrence's first name as <Thomas>, but this is incorrect:T F Lawrence vs C Curt, 1907...>
I am in an absolute quandary. I no longer know who to believe - or if I should believe anyone... |
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Nov-24-16
| | MissScarlett: The (London Evening) Standard, June 21st, 1895, p.7: <An interesting display of blindfold chess took place at the Ludgate Cafe, under the auspices of the Chess Bohemians. Messrs. T. Lawrence and A. Curnock contested six games blindfold and simultaneously. Mr. Lawrence has, as far as we know, never given an exhibition of blindfold play in public, and the entertainment aroused some amount of interest, and proved highly interesting. [...] The games throughout were played in first-class style. Mr. Lawrence's play especially coming as a revelation to most. Some really elegant combinations were played by both. Play commenced about 6 o'clock and continued till eleven pm., by which time the score read - Mr. Lawrence two wins and four draws, this being a highly creditable result to Mr. Lawrence, for it is no easy task to defeat so able an opponent as Mr. Curnock.> |
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| Oct-03-17 | | Jonathan Berry: My go-to reference is Gaige, Jeremy: Chess Personalia, A Biobibliography, 1987.
There was a time when I would open it at least weekly. Now it has been years...
Gaige settles the question: there were two players, one English, one American.<br>
Charles A. Lawrence, born New York 1873, died 1908.
Thomas Francis Lawrence, born London 1871, died 1953.
Gaige refers to BCM (British Chess Magazine), 1953, pages 66-67, which would be a chess obituary of TFL. I'd like to see that. |
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| Mar-02-21 | | Eastfrisian: Any photo of him? |
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| Mar-02-21 | | Z truth 000000010: <Eastfrisian> I believe he's next to Pillsbury, 2nd row from bottom, right-most portrait: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe... Here's also somewhere in here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:... |
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Sep-17-24
 | | GrahamClayton: Not to be confused with TE Lawrence and certainly not DH Lawrence. :-) |
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Sep-17-24
 | | plang: or Lawrence of Arabia |
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Apr-27-25
 | | NewspaperChessArchiv: Thomas Francis Lawrence also ran a chess column in the Sunday People, which ran from about 1901 till the outbreak of war, The Sunday People, London, London, England, Sunday, February 06, 1916
The Scarcity of Paper.
How to Ensure Getting 'The People' Regularly.
The Government action in commandeering ships hitherto used to bring paper and paper-making materials to this country has caused something approaching a paper famine. This has necessitated all newspapers being reduced in size. 'The People' has therefore been reluctantly compelled to discontinue for the while, many popular features including chess, draughts, cards and puzzles to enable all the latest home and war news to be given in full as heretofore. The supply of paper being compulsorily limited. January 12, 1902 We opened our chess column under the nom de plume of “Sphinx.” Our distinguished contributor now permits us to give his real name. Mr. T. F. Lawrence is too well known among lovers of the game to need more than this formal introduction. Inauguration to finale, 1901 - February 06, 1916 “The Scarcity of Paper” chess discontinued. Column reboot, 01/29/1922 under penmanship of A. G. Conde. https://chess-columns.blogspot.com/... |
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Apr-27-25
 | | jnpope: Do we know where he died? Gaige gives no location information regarding his death. The best I could come up with is <Chanctonbury, Sussex, England> from a family tree, however there is no village/town/city called "Chanctonbury" in Sussex. There is the geographic location of Chanctonbury Hill atop which sits Chanctonbury Ring. Did Lawrence die while visiting that historic location? |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: Gaige also has him born in London, but the family tree gives <Holland, Noord-Brabant, Netherlands>, his parents were two British nationals Henry and Caroline Lawrence. |
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Apr-27-25
| | MissScarlett: <Chanctonbury Ring> Sounds painful. |
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Apr-27-25
 | | perfidious: The more so in such a peaceful area as West Sussex. |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: I guess it is formally known as the <Chanctonbury Rural District>? |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: Now was he born in London or Holland? |
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Apr-27-25
| | MissScarlett: Surprised you didn't find him in the National Probate Record. He's said to be <of The Forges, West-street Storrington Sussex>. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storr...
A map of Storrington includes the Chanctonbury Leisure Centre and Chanctonbury Playschool. |
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Apr-27-25
| | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> There are a few cemeteries in the vicinity. https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery... |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: <MissScarlett: Surprised you didn't find him in the National Probate Record.> I only have access to US records at Ancy.com (middle tier account). |
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Apr-27-25
| | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope>
The Daily Telegraph, London, Greater London, England, Tuesday, January 27, 1953
Lawrence-On Sunday, Jan. 25, at Storrington, Sussex, THOMAS FRANCIS LAWRENCE, dear husband of Mary Campbell Lawrence, in his 82nd year. Cremation Lewes Road Crematorium, Brighton, Wednesday, Jan. 28, at 2 p.m. "while there isn't specific official data or policy about scattering ashes on Chanctonbury Ring, it's a common practice for people to do so on National Trust sites like Chanctonbury Ring, including Stonehenge. People often choose to scatter ashes in nature or on sites that hold significance for the deceased or their family." |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: Residencies and burial locations are useful biographical information, but I'm specifically looking for place-of-birth and place-of-death. |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: I'm going with Storrington as the POD as we at least have a newspaper source citing that location and it aligns with the NPR residency. Still seeking his place-of-birth. |
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Apr-27-25
| | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> I found a record on MyHeritage which may be helpful in confirming place of birth. Thomas Francis Laurence
In Netherlands, Civil Births, 1811-1915
Name Thomas Francis Laurence
Gender Male
Birth Mar 2 1871, Velsen, North Holland, Netherlands
Father Henry Laurence
Mother Esther Jane Izard
Collection: Geboorteakten van de gemeente Velsen, 1871
Institution: Noord-Hollands Archief
Archive: 358.127
Registry #: 11871
Document #: 39
Source place: Velsen, North Holland, Nederland
Source date: Mar 3 1871
Volume date: Mar 3 1871
Notes: Provenance: A2Acollection NL-HlmNHA_358.127-11871_54_A2A.xml van NHA https://www.myheritage.com/research... |
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Apr-27-25
| | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> From the report you gave, <Chanctonbury, Sussex, England> points to ashes getting scattered there. Makes sense, since he was cremated. The only way to be 100% certain of it is to contact the family tree owner you mentioned. |
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Apr-27-25
| | jnpope: <NewspaperChessArchiv>, thanks for the info. |
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