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|Jul-06-11|| ||jnpope: Two more Starbuck games can be found in the Nashville Daily American 1884.03.24 and 1884.03.31.|
|Jul-08-11|| ||Graham1973: <jnpope> Thanks!|
|Jul-08-11|| ||Graham1973: I've just checked the two games and they don't appear to be in the database. Good find. Transcription is going to be tricky though due to the poor scanner used.|
|Jul-09-11|| ||jnpope: Considering these are scans of photocopies of photographs, the quality is surprisingly good.|
|Jul-09-11|| ||TheFocus: <jnpope> Again, I want to tell you what a great job you and your gang are doing in the <Jack O'Keefe Project>!!|
I check in daily.
|May-17-12|| ||Graham1973: Going to try and transcribe the game in the 1884.03.24 issue as it looks much clearer than the last time I looked at it. The 1884.03.31 is unreadable in parts.|
If anyone else wants to look through the Jack O'Keefe project and post tips, feel free.
|Sep-25-12|| ||talisman: happy birthday to The Rainmaker!|
|Jan-25-13|| ||jnpope: Finally got around to entering some games into my database...
White: Starbuck,DFM [blindfold]
Black: Dr. Cooke
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.0-0 gxf3 7.Qxf3 Bh6 8.d4 Nxd4 9.Bxf7+ Kxf7 10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Bxf4 Bxf4 12.Rxf4 Nf6 13.Qg5+ Kf7 14.Raf1 Rg8 1-0
source: Nashville Daily American, 1884.03.31
|Feb-07-13|| ||jnpope: <The following game was played at the Cincinnati Chess Club a few days ago, between Dr. L. P. Meredith, formerly of this city, and Mr. D. F. M. Starbuck.> source: Cincinnati Commercial, 1880.05.01|
Starbuck,DFM - Meredith,LP [C44]
USA Cincinnati, OH, 1880.04
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.0-0 d6 7.bxc3 Bc5 8.Re1 Nf6 9.Bg5 0-0 10.Nbd2 h6 11.Bh4 Ne5 12.Nxe5 dxe5 13.Qe2 Qd6 14.Rad1 Bg4 15.Nf3 Qc6 16.h3 Bxf3 17.Qxf3 Bxf2+ 18.Kxf2 Qxc4 19.Bxf6 gxf6 20.Qxf6 Qxa2+ 21.Kg1 Qa5 22.Qxh6 Qb6+ 23.Qxb6 axb6 24.Rd7 Rac8 25.Re3 Rfd8 26.Re7 Re8 27.Rd7 Kf8 28.h4 Re7 29.Rxe7 Kxe7 30.h5 f6 31.h6 Kf7 32.Rg3 Rg8 33.h7 Rh8 34.Rg8 Rxh7 35.Rb8 Ke6 36.Rxb7 Kd6 37.Kf2 Kc5 38.Ra7 Kc4 39.Ra3 Rd7 40.Ke2 b5 41.Ra6 Rd6 42.Rxd6 cxd6 0-1 source: Cincinnati Commercial, 1880.05.01
|May-05-13|| ||Graham1973: <jnpope>Thanks for finding those. I'll see about uploading them.|
|May-05-13|| ||Graham1973: <jnpope>Both games have been submitted. Checking the sources found that both were annotated, but in the case of the 1880 game the annotator was not identified, so I've left those off. For the 1884 game the notes were by Starbuck himself.|
|May-11-13|| ||Graham1973: I've transcribed as best I can the text from the game between Starbuck & Cooke from the 1884.03.24 issue of the Nashville Daily American.|
Some of the text appears to be corrupt, I've indicated the problem areas with question marks. Help in resolving the issues will be greatly appreciated.
01. P-K4 P-K4
02. Kt-KB3 Kt-QB(?)
03. B-B4 B-B4
04. P-QKt4 BxP
05. P-B3 B-R4
06. P-Q4 PxP
07. O-O B-Kt3
08. PxP P-Q3
09. P-Q5 Kt-R4 (Or K4?)
10. B-Kt2 Kt-K2
11. B-Q3 O-O
12. B-Q3 Kt-Kt3
13. Kt-B3 P-QB4
14. R-Bsq B-B2
15. Kt-Kt3 R-Ktsq
16. Q-Q2 P-B3
17. Kt-B5 P-Kt4
18. K-Rsq P-B5
19. B-K2 Kt-Kt2
20. K-Kt-Q4(?) B-Q2
21. P-B4 Kt-B4
22. Q-K3 R-Ksq
23. Kt-Kt3 B-Kt3
24. P-B5 Kt-K4
25. Kt-Q5 KKt-Q6
26. KtxKtP KxKt
27. Kt-Q6 BxKt
28. Q-Kt5 K-B2
29. BPxB KtxP
30. RxP K-K2
31. RxKt K-Q2
32. Q-Kt7 R-K2
33. RxR QxR
34. B-Kt4 K-Ksq
35. Q-Kt8 Q-Bsq
36. Q-K6 Q-K2
37. B-R5 K-Bsq
38. R-Bsq Kt-B7
39. RxKt BxR
40. Q-R6 K-Ktsq
41. B-B6 Q-Q2
42. Q-Kt5 K-Bsq
43. B-Kt4 Q-QB2
|May-11-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <Graham1973> The moves you question appear to be transcribed correctly from the original. However, the transcription contains a few other errors:|
12.Kt-B3 (not 12.B-Q3 for the second move in a row)
13.Kt-K2 (possible because of 12.Kt-B3)
25.Kt-R5 (not 25.Kt-Q5)
These moves are all correct in the original. However, 27.Kt-Q6 ch is wrong, and should be 27.Kt-K6 ch.
Here is the score in algebraic:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 Bb6 8.cxd4 d6 9.d5 Na5 10.Bb2 Ne7 11.Bd3 0-0 12.Nc3 Ng6 13.Ne2 c5 14.Rc1 Bc7 15.Ng3 Rb8 16.Qd2 f6 17.Nf5 b5 18.Kh1 c4 19.Be2 Nb7 20.N3d4 Bd7 21.f4 Nc5 22.Qe3 Re8 23.Ng3 Bb6 24.f5 Ne5 25.Nh5 Ned3 26.Nxg7 Kxg7 27.Ne6+ Bxe6 28.Qg5+ Kf7 29.fxe6+ Nxe6 30.Rxf6+ Ke7 31.Rxe6+ Kd7 32.Qg7+ Re7 33.Rxe7+ Qxe7 34.Bg4+ Ke8 35.Qg8+ Qf8 36.Qe6+ Qe7 37.Bh5+ Kf8 38.Rf1+ Nf2+ 39.Rxf2+ Bxf2 40.Qh6+ Kg8 41.Bf6 Qd7 42.Qg5+ Kf8 43.Bg4 Qc7 44.Be6 1-0
It's a game worth preserving!
|May-11-13|| ||Graham1973: <Phony Benoni> I just tested the algebraic (After adding the annotation by Starbuck.) and got an "Error, Illegal Move: 20. Ne6+" message.|
Unsure what the program (Winboard) did not like.
|May-11-13|| ||Calli: Interestingly, this game with a bad score is given in Edward Winter's feature on Starbuck http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...|
You can try entering the moves manually at http://www.caissa.com/chess-tools/p...
|May-11-13|| ||Graham1973: <Calli>Duplication is always going to be a problem with these old games. I've been trying to weed out my downloads to avoid this, but obviously this one slipped notice. However, I'll see about uploading a version with Starbucks annotations.|
However for a rather frustrating 'dry hole' concerning Starbuck.
In the following issues of the Cincinnati Commercial:
Are mentions of a game of 'Living Chess' played on Wednesday 19th of February 1879 between teams comprising of Charles Miller, S.A. Charles & H. Loewe v Daniel F M Starbuck, H.H. Muller and a "Dr Meredith" (Sides unspecified).
There is no score provided in the chess column and I have the feeling that if it was recorded it may have been in the main portion of the paper which I have no idea how to access and search.
|May-11-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <Calli> It may not be a bad score. I went browsing through the St. Louis Globe Democrat, and found this:|
See the letter to the editor, titled "Studies with Starbuck", from Mr. Cooke. According to his account, three different games, starting in the position after White's 25th move, were published in the "Milwaukee Telegraph".
|May-11-13|| ||Graham1973: <Cali>Found the game you mentioned. It's in the St Louis Globe-Democrat of 15/03/1884. It gives the year of the game as 1883 in Chicago however 'Mates in two' would mean the game finished on turn 37. Also the annotations differ from the version I was working from.|
Looks like we may have a mystery.
|May-11-13|| ||Graham1973: <Phony Benoni>The Milwaukee Telegraph is not one of the newspapers currently covered by the Jack O'Keefe project and the Chicago tribune holdings end in 1879.|
|May-11-13|| ||Graham1973: <Phony Benoni><Cali> I've made the game from the Edward Winter article into a PGN and it's played successfully.|
Here are the first 25 moves from that game:
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 b4 Bxb4 5 c3 Ba5 6 d4 exd4 7 O-O Bb6 8 cxd4 d6 9 d5 Na5 10 Bb2 Ne7 11 Bd3 O-O 12 Nc3 Ng6 13 Ne2 c5 14 Rc1 Bc7 15 Ng3 Rb8 16 Qd2 f6 17 Nf5 b5 18 Kh1 c4 19 Be2 Nb7 20 N3d4 Bd7 21 f4 Nc5 22 Qe3 Re8 23 Ng3 Bb6 24 f5 Ne5 25 Nh5 Ned3...
Here are the first 25 moves of the game from the Nashville Daily American.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 exd4 7.0-0 Bb6 8.cxd4 d6 9.d5 Na5 10.Bb2 Ne7 11.Bd3 0-0 12.Nc3 Ng6 13.Ne2 c5 14.Rc1 Bc7 15.Ng3 Rb8 16.Qd2 f6 17.Nf5 b5 18.Kh1 c4 19.Be2 Nb7. 20.N3d4 Bd7 21.f4 Nc5 22.Qe3 Re8 23.Ng3 Bb6 24.f5 Ne5 25.Nh5 Ned3...
Also problem may have been with one of the annotations. I'm going to hold on uploading both until the dating issue can be sorted out. One other Starbuck Cooke game will be going up in the next few days and may have to be redated based on future research.
|May-12-13|| ||Calli: The Milwaukee Sunday Telegraph is tough to come by. The LOC lists only Wisconsin Historical Society with a what appears to be a complete run. http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...|
I suggest that the games, if submitted, be designated as "Other". They are testing an opening variation just like the Marshall-Capablanca Max Lange games.
|May-12-13|| ||Graham1973: <Calli>That is going to be tough, I'm on the other side of the world!|
The only other Starbuck v Cooke game I've located came from the Nashville Daily American of 31/03/1884. That game is only 14 turns long and is the one I've uploaded and am waiting for it to appear to provide corrections.
I'd designated it and the other two games as "Blindfold (White)" as that was how they were described in the primary sources.
|May-13-13|| ||Calli: <Graham1973> Guess I was looking at <PB>'s link which didn't mention the blindfold part. As far as the paper goes, some things are easy, some are difficult, but generally things are way more accessible today.|
|May-13-13|| ||Graham1973: <Calli>True, looking at the letter <PB> discovered it would appear that the correspondent could only find one of the games mentioned by Cooke in the Telegraph, but we have no idea how many issues were looked at. |
N.F. Cooke might be a worthwhile target for further exploration, I've stumbled across hints that he was a major figure in the Chicago chess scene.
|May-15-13|| ||Graham1973: Found another chess game between DFM Starbuck & N.F. Cooke (source not given in the article.|
And more details on the living chess game I mentioned on the 11th of May, but still no score.
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