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|Jun-11-12|| ||Petrosianic: I may have been mistaken. I've glanced through several rating lists from the 50's, and haven't seen Gresser over 2200 in any of them. I could have sworn I'd read somewhere that she'd made Master, but I can't find it at the moment. Ditto with Karf.|
|Jun-11-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <Petrosianic> Savereide could be the first to make 2200. USCF started inflating their ratings about that time, to try to halt the membership decline in the post-Fischer era. Lots of bonus points were given out for unusually good (or lucky) tournaments.|
|Jun-12-12|| ||Petrosianic: I didn't know there was a decline after Fischer, though it might have grown slower than they'd hoped.|
But I thought ratings might have been inflated very early on. I'm pretty sure that both Fine and Reshevsky were well over 2700 in the very early 1950's, though I haven't dug that list up yet.
Sonja Graf is another one to check out as a possible early woman master. I don't know if she made it or not. People were very unconcerned about ratings in those days, and they were rarely mentioned outside of a rating list.
Does anyone know for sure that Savereid was the first to hit 2200, or are we guessing? I do know that there was a time when she was the ONLY American woman over 2200. But whether she was also the first, I'm not sure.
|Jun-12-12|| ||Kolyas: Gresser was first woman to become a US master. See Chess Life, March 2001 article. She was also given a WIM title in 1950 by FIDE.|
Lane was never rated as a master, but had a low Expert's rating.
Graf was a German master before moving to the US.
|Jun-12-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <I didn't know there was a decline after Fischer, though it might have grown slower than they'd hoped.>|
There was, but not as large as I thought. By 1992 they had passed the 1974 peak. Evidently this was largely due to an infusion of low cost scholastic memberships, which didn't cover their costs to USCF. How many of these eventually became full-paying adult members I don't know. The number of former Soviet and Eastern European players in the US also increased radidly in the 80s and 90s.
USCF membership Year Members
1940 1,000 (approx)
2010 80,000 (approx)
|Jun-27-12|| ||SBC: |
<"The First Chess Beauty Queen" http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
Interesting article about Lisa Lane from our own User: SBC>
I recently published an article called, The Village Gambit," from Prof. Frank Brady's "Chessworld" magazine. It highlights the chess scene in NYC in 1964. Rossolimo's and Lisa Lane's chess venues are featured in it and anyone interested in that time might really enjoy it:
|Aug-07-12|| ||perfidious: < kramputz: ....Rossolimo also had a studio in the neighborhood. Good old times for chess...>|
My first time in Rossolimo's was to play in a simultaneous against the old master himself at Memorial Day 1975, a few weeks before his accident.
|Aug-07-12|| ||gezafan: It's too bad Lane stopped playing.
The derogatory comment attributed to Fischer reflects badly on Fischer, if he actually said it. One wonders what kind of effect Fischer's comments had on Lane.
Fischer should have encouraged Lane rather than insult her. Perhaps he was jealous of the attention she was getting.
|Aug-07-12|| ||diceman: <gezafan:
Perhaps he was jealous of the attention she was getting.>
Yeah, there were a few rumors:
Fischer Spassky 1972,
was going to be,
Lane Spassky 1972.
|Aug-14-12|| ||SBC: .|
Fischer and Lisa Lane, I was told, actually got along very well. An acquaintance of mine told me he was in the Queen's Pawn when Fischer came in. At the time RJF was trying to set up a record-breaking 400 bd simul planned to take place on Nov. 27 of 1963 in the Grand Ballroom of the Hotel Astor. Kennedy, who was supposed to be in NYC that day received an invitation, but was assassinated on the 22nd and the simul was postponed. Before the simul could take place, the Grand Ballroom was gutted by fire and the simul plans fizzled out and it never took place. My acquainance actually met Fischer who personally signed him up for the simul and left him a sheet of rules, time, etc.
|Aug-16-12|| ||technical draw: <<perfidious> < kramputz: ....Rossolimo also had a studio in the neighborhood. Good old times for chess...>
My first time in Rossolimo's was to play in a simultaneous against the old master himself at Memorial Day 1975, a few weeks before his accident.>|
I was there in 1967. I played someone for a dollar a game. I lost 3 bucks.
|Aug-17-12|| ||technical draw: Wasn't she Superman's girlfriend or something?|
|Aug-17-12|| ||NakoSonorense: Newsflash from the past:
<Apr-26-07 NakoSonorense: Hey, isn't she Superman's girl?>
|Aug-17-12|| ||technical draw: <Nako> Yes, you asked first. Now I see that Superman's girlfriend is Lois Lane. Lisa Lane is Bart's sister.|
|Oct-31-12|| ||perfidious: <SBC> Nice article on the scene in 1964.|
Sad to learn that Chumley's closed down a few years back and (so far) has not reopened. Got to enjoy the atmosphere on several visits to the city in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
|Apr-25-13|| ||brankat: Happy Birthday Miss Lane!|
|Aug-22-13|| ||perfidious: <Marmot PFL: .....USCF started inflating their ratings about that time, to try to halt the membership decline in the post-Fischer era. Lots of bonus points were given out for unusually good (or lucky) tournaments.>|
The classic example: George Francis Kane.
After Kane's meteoric rise, USCF modified their bonus point awards at some level above 2200 and finally eliminated bonus points altogether over 2100 level in fall 1981.
|Aug-22-13|| ||Caissanist: The US Chess Hall of Fame says that Savereide was the second woman to achieve a US master rating, and Gisella Gresser the first. I swear I remember statements at the time that Savereide was the first woman master; since Gresser was born in 1906, I suspect that she was a master when the first ratings systems were getting started, so whether she was the first rated female master could be open to interpretation. In any case, this confirms that Lane was not a master.|
|Aug-29-13|| ||Caissanist: User: FSR has dug up the relevant article--it seems that Gisela Gresser did in fact make master in 1963 (by which time the rating system was of course well established in the USA).|
|Aug-29-13|| ||OhioChessFan: Anyone else think she looks a bit like the missus?
|Aug-29-13|| ||Robed.Bishop: <OCF> The one with blonde or dark hair?|
|Aug-29-13|| ||TheFocus: I well remember the days of tall hair and the ladies at church used to fuss over their beehives so much.|
|Sep-12-13|| ||TwoKnights: Says on the earthlore site she was a 7 time U.S. Champion:|
|Sep-12-13|| ||Tomlinsky: <TwoKnights: Says on the earthlore site she was a 7 time U.S. Champion>|
As far as I can see it states: "Lisa, by the way, was several times the United States women's chess champion."
|Sep-12-13|| ||TheFocus: She won in 1959 and tied with Gresser in 1966. Correction was made in the bio.|
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