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Yifan Hou 
World Junior Championship, Gaziantep, 2008
Photograph courtesy of Wikimedia Commons.
 
Yifan Hou
Number of games in database: 896
Years covered: 2003 to 2013
Last FIDE rating: 2617
Highest rating achieved in database: 2639
Overall record: +297 -163 =290 (58.9%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      146 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (168) 
    B93 B42 B30 B92 B31
 Ruy Lopez (119) 
    C78 C67 C95 C65 C88
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (53) 
    C95 C88 C84 C92 C89
 French Defense (52) 
    C11 C10 C18 C03 C05
 Caro-Kann (40) 
    B18 B17 B13 B10 B11
 Sicilian Najdorf (35) 
    B93 B92 B90 B94
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (137) 
    B84 B22 B90 B81 B50
 Nimzo Indian (53) 
    E32 E37 E34 E46 E58
 French Defense (40) 
    C11 C07 C18 C01 C02
 Queen's Gambit Declined (39) 
    D38 D31 D30
 Sicilian Scheveningen (35) 
    B84 B81 B80 B83 B85
 Queen's Pawn Game (32) 
    A46 E10 E00 A40 D05
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   J Smeets vs Yifan Hou, 2008 0-1
   Yifan Hou vs M Sebag, 2011 1-0
   Yifan Hou vs Sasikiran, 2009 1-0
   M Fierro vs Yifan Hou, 2009 0-1
   Yifan Hou vs Judit Polgar, 2012 1-0
   Yifan Hou vs Le Quang Liem, 2012 1-0
   Yifan Hou vs Beliavsky, 2009 1-0
   Yifan Hou vs Short, 2008 1-0
   Yifan Hou vs N Zhukova, 2006 1-0
   Yifan Hou vs V Laznicka, 2008 1-0

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YIFAN HOU
(born Feb-27-1994) China
PRONUNCIATION:
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Grandmaster and 2010 and 2011 Women's World Champion. Having lost the Champion's title in 2012, she will challenge for it in 2013.

Yifan was born in Xinghua City, Jiangsu, China. She is the youngest female in the history of chess to acquire the GM title, and was the youngest GM in the world when she acquired the title. At 14, she was the youngest ever finalist in a Women's World Championship contest. Winning the Women's World Championship title in 2010 at the age of 16 made her the youngest Women's World Champion ever, beating the mark long held by the legendary Maia Chiburdanidze who won the title in 1978 at the age of 17. In 2011, she successfully defended her title by winning the best-of-ten Hou-Koneru Women's World Championship (2011) by 5.5-2.5 (+3 =5 -0), also making her the youngest Women's World Champion to defend her title, and the youngest to do so successfully.

Yifan started playing chess at age 6, and in 2003 she won the U10 Girls division of the World Youth Championships in Halkidiki, Greece. In 2004, she contested the Boys' U10 World Championship in Heraklio, Crete, placing third. She came fifth in the 3 Arrows Cup in 2005 in Jinan, recording a performance rating of nearly 2400. At the age of 12, she contested the FIDE Women's World Championship (2006) in Ekaterinburg, Russia, defeating Nadezhda Kosintseva and Natalia Zhukova in the first two rounds before falling to Nino Khurtsidze in the third round.

Yifan played in the 37th Chess Olympiad: Women (2006) on the Reserve Board (Board 4), winning the silver medal with 11/13 and a performance rating of 2596. She scored 9/12 in the World Junior Championship (Girls) (2006) and secured second place on countback behind Yang Shen. In June 2007 she broke through to win the Women's Chinese National Chess Championship in Chongqing city, a title she successfully defended in Beijing the following May. Also in 2007, she won a team gold and individual gold and silver medals on board 2 at the 2007 Women's World Team Championships. In 2008 she also won the Isbank Ataturk Women Masters (2008) outright by a clear point ahead of Pia Cramling, and came third in the World Junior Championship (2008) (for both sexes) behind Abhijeet Gupta and Parimarjan Negi . In 2009, Yifan came equal third in the 8th Asian Continental Chess Championship (2009) (open) with 7/11, half a point behind GM Surya Shekhar Ganguly and GM Zhou Weiqi, qualifying her for the World Cup (2009) in which she bowed out in the first round after losing to Arkadi Naiditsch. Also in 2009, she won team gold and individual bronze playing top board fror China in that year's edition of the Women's World Team Championships. In April 2010, after relatively modest results in the Moscow Open (2010) and Aeroflot Open (2010) in February, she won the 3rd Kuala Lumpur Open with 7.5/9, came second with 7.5/11 in the Women's Grand Prix in Nalchik after Tatiana Kosintseva and won the FIDE Women Grand Prix (2010) in Ulan Bator, Mongolia with 8/11 and a 2649 performance rating. Later in the year, she then lead her country to a silver medal in the Chess Olympiad (Women) (2010); she also won bronze for her efforts on the top board where she scored 8/11 (+5 -0 =6). Yifan capped 2010 and her career so far by becoming the Women's World Champion in December, defeating Ruan Lufei in the tiebreaker 3-1 after drawing the classical games 2-2. Her win earned her China Central Television's 2010 award for Sportsperson of the Year involved in a sport that is not included in the Olympic category* and her title win also qualified her for participation in the World Cup 2011.

She competed in the "open" Chinese Championship (2011), scoring 6/11 (+2 -1 =8), won the 1st Women Master Tournament 2011 at Wuxi with 7/9, and played in the 2nd Hainan Danzhou GM tournament where she scored 2 points from 9 rounds. Her poor form continued in the 10th Asian Individual Championships (2011) (4.5/9), the Airports Authority of India (2011) (3/10) and the 1st Hangzhou Women's GM Tournament (2011)(4.5/9). Yifan staged a partial recovery by winning the FIDE Women's Grand Prix (2011) with 8/11, coasting to a victory by a clear point ahead of Kateryna Lahno (to whom she lost in their individual encounter) after leading by 2 points midway through the event. She qualified for the World Cup (2011) by dint of her being the Women's World Champion, but lost to Sergei Movsesian in the first round after missing a winning combination in the second game. Soon after the World Cup, she won the Shenzhen Women's Grand Prix (2011) with a score of 8/11 (+5 =6). In December 2011 at the inaugural World Mind Games which featured rapid, blitz and blindfold chess alongside Go, Bridge, Draughts, and Xiangqi, Hou won gold in the women's blitz and in the women's blindfold.** She finished a successful 2011 by winning team gold and two individual silver medals at the FIDE Women's World Team Championship (2011), and by overtaking Koneru as women's world number 2 after Judit Polgar.

Hou started 2012 in dramatic style by taking equal first place at Tradewise Gibraltar (2012) with 8/10 (+7 -1 =2; TPR 2872), alongside Nigel Short (+6 =4; TPR 2838), however she came second on tiebreak when she lost the 2 game blitz playoff with Short by 1.5-0.5; her record against the 7 GMs she played, each of whom was rated over 2700 was 5/7, and included wins against Zoltan Almasi, Judit Polgar, Le Quang Liem and Alexey Shirov, draws against Michael Adams and Shakhriyar Mamedyarov and a loss to Krishnan Sasikiran. A few weeks later, she came close to winning the Reykjavik Open (2012), but failed to find the right continuation to defeat the eventual winner, Fabiano Caruana, in the last round; she scored 7/9 (+5 =4; TPR 2677) to place =2nd, albeit 6th on count back. Her results have been more modest since then, including 5/11 at the Chinese Chess Championships (2012), and 6/9 at the 12th Bangkok Open (2012), costing her 16 Elo points, and then reached a nadir by placing last with 3/9 (-3 =6) at the 3rd Danzhou Tournament (2012). Neither her =3rd at the FIDE Women's Grand Prix Kazan (2012) with 7/11 nor her outright win at the Women Grand Prix Jermuk (2012) enabled her to regain any of her lost rating points, but nevertheless she won the 2011-12 Women's Grand Prix which entitles her to challenge for the Women's World Championship in 2013 since she lost her title in the 2012 World Women's Championship knockout tournament. Yifan represented China on board 1 of the Chess Olympiad (Women) (2012), and helped her team to win team silver (missing gold to Russia on tiebreak), and also picking up individual gold on board 1. 2012 finished with Hou crashing out of the FIDE Knock-Out Women's World Championship (2012), losing to GM Monika Socko in the rapid game tiebreaker in round 2. As the winner of the 2011-2012 Grand Prix series, Hou will be entitled to challenge the winner of the Knockout Tournament and 2012 Women's World Champion, GM Anna Ushenina, for the women's title in 2013.

2013 started with Hou's inaugural participation in an open super-tournament, starting as the 14th and lowest seed in the category 20 Tata Steel (2013). After a string of early losses, she recovered well (especially when playing Black) to defeat current and previous 2700 players Anish Giri, Pentala Harikrishna and Ivan Sokolov to score 5.5/13 (+3 =5 -5) and a near 2700 performance to finish 10th, ahead of Fabiano Caruana, Erwin L'Ami and Sokolov. Seeded 4th, she came in at =4th (8th on tiebreak) with a relatively rating-neutral 5.5/11 (+3 =5 -3) result at the Chinese Championships (2013).

As a WFM, her rating topped 2500 in the January 2007 FIDE ratings before FIDE formally conferred her WGM title in late January 2007. Her results in the Aeroflot Open (2008) and the Isbank Ataturk Women Masters (2008) provided her with her first and second GM norms. She picked up her third GM norm in the World Junior Championship (2008) with a round to spare. Any lingering doubts about Yifan's GM norm from the Isbank Ataturk Masters were resolved when she acquired another GM norm upon defeating Koneru Humpy to reach the final of the Women's World Championship (2008) before losing the championship match against Alexandra Kosteniuk. In October 2012 she helped her team Cercle d'Echecs Monte-Carlo to win gold at the 28th European Club Cup (Women) (2012).

Hou's rating as of 1 May 2013 was 2617, well down from her peak of 2639 on 1 March 2012, but she is still the top rated girl (woman U20) in the world and the 2nd ranked woman in the world after Polgár. She remains the 9th ranked player overall in China. Her rapid rating is 2597 while her blitz rating is 2560.

Article about Hou being the youngest female GM: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/women * http://www.fide.com/component/conte... ** http://www.worldmindgames.net/en/ne...

Wikipedia article: Hou Yifan


 page 1 of 36; games 1-25 of 896  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Yifan Hou vs M Hejazipour  ½-½51 2003 Wch U10 GirlsC96 Ruy Lopez, Closed
2. A Kashlinskaya vs Yifan Hou  0-139 2003 Wch U10 GirlsA46 Queen's Pawn Game
3. Yifan Hou vs M Butuc  1-042 2003 Wch U10 GirlsB13 Caro-Kann, Exchange
4. G Madanasri vs Yifan Hou  0-146 2003 Wch U10 GirlsB20 Sicilian
5. Yifan Hou vs N Paikidze ½-½57 2003 WYCC - G10B92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
6. Yifan Hou vs J Bluebaum  1-050 2003 Wch U10 GirlsC18 French, Winawer
7. A Le Bail vs Yifan Hou  0-137 2003 Wch U10 GirlsB56 Sicilian
8. Yifan Hou vs M Danelia  1-061 2003 Wch U10 GirlsB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
9. N Szabo vs Yifan Hou  0-135 2003 Wch U10 GirlsB56 Sicilian
10. Ju Wenjun vs Yifan Hou  ½-½61 2004 Asian-ch (Women)A37 English, Symmetrical
11. Yifan Hou vs S Narayanan  1-047 2004 Wch U10B85 Sicilian, Scheveningen, Classical
12. P Zhao vs Yifan Hou  ½-½64 2004 Wch U10A46 Queen's Pawn Game
13. Yifan Hou vs Wang Yu  0-137 2004 Asian-ch (Women)C84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
14. S Meenakshi vs Yifan Hou  1-037 2004 Asian-ch (Women)E32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
15. Yifan Hou vs A A De la Rosa Lara  1-044 2004 Wch U10B92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
16. N Bortnik vs Yifan Hou  ½-½47 2004 Wch U10B22 Sicilian, Alapin
17. Yifan Hou vs S Vijayalakshmi  1-043 2004 Asian-ch (Women)C88 Ruy Lopez
18. M Ovezova vs Yifan Hou  0-1133 2004 Asian-ch (Women)A45 Queen's Pawn Game
19. Yifan Hou vs B Khvan  1-041 2004 Wch U10B71 Sicilian, Dragon, Levenfish Variation
20. A Galymzhanov vs Yifan Hou  0-156 2004 Wch U10B50 Sicilian
21. Yifan Hou vs J Moussard 0-152 2004 Championnat du Monde -10B76 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
22. Yifan Hou vs S Zigangirova  1-045 2004 Asian-ch (Women)B42 Sicilian, Kan
23. D Khachykian vs Yifan Hou  0-157 2004 Wch U10A30 English, Symmetrical
24. Yifan Hou vs Hiba Omrani 1-011 2004 Asian-ch (Women)C67 Ruy Lopez
25. Zhang Jilin vs Yifan Hou  1-038 2004 Asian-ch (Women)C18 French, Winawer
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Nov-29-11  Ladolcevita: I cant believe this...
<Wannabe>I remember you are an American Chinese,and thus you spoke?How should I understand your words?

I'm certainly living in Zhejiang.But then why should I put"I'm living in Zhejiang,China"on my profile?People might most likely presume:Oh,this user might well be a foreigner who lives in Zhejiang,since s/he seems quite used to speaking English,and he is just "living"there. So naturally I put"I'm from Zhejiang,China",which clearly states that I'm a native Chinese,and thus I might use the wrong word or do not understand some jokes or slangs here,or when in a discussion,or sometimes I may have not expressed my opinions as well as in Chinese or as some others in English,thus people might understand there might be a vague distance between my words and my opinion,so people would understand my posts better.

So what did you propose to demonstrate,when you reminded us of the literal meaning of the word"from"?Were I not living there,how can I justify myself stating"CG is not blocked here"?Clearly,there's not much ambiguous in my profile line,if one has also read my posts.

<Hemateme>
As I and some other users have already explained in that Hou-Koneru match page,the main reasons are twofold:1.language barrier 2.chess is known to few here,and I should add that:thanks to the wonderful success some Chinese chess players have achieved,chess gained some reputation and fame here,otherwise probably chess would be known to fewer people,since there are Chinese chess and Go and some other local games already,and overall such board games are usually less popular too. So how many Chinese people would you expect to come to CG.com?And how many who actually have visited CG would you expect to post comments too,especially when they are not really versed in the language?

And as for the censorship,I can tell you,some years ago,I can go to blogspot and youtube too,I presume it is because there appears to be too much negative information about China or Chinese government that they were finally blocked,and wikipedia once was blocked here,but at present I found it work,so I guess our government is doing censorship for some reasons,not blocking any sites as you presume,like CG.com,and what's the most ridiculous in your post is something like"<I guess thats a bit of progress. Although Face Book is banned in China, she doesn't get in trouble for claiming to use it when travelling outside of China>",or"<I see a reluctance here of people who are actually living in Russia or China to make it very clear that they are in fact in Moscow, Beijing, Hong Kong, St. Petersberg, and so forth. I believe this stems from a lingering fear of censors, who are still active, or from the very real fear that the chat room sites are officially frowned upon.>"... Let me tell you like this,people here criticizes the government as much as people elsewhere,and indeed there are many social or historical issues and problems here,so no one fears to be officially frowned upon,and let alone claiming one's accurate location in a foreign site,there's really nothing special.Frankly these things I have never thought of,and I guess only someone who perhaps have similar experiences or of such knowledge would invent such a topic out of nowhere and introduce it to people,is it you?

Anyway I hope you know that only those who respect others would receive others' respect,after all It's not really subtle that you intend to arouse other people replying to you,and tread upon people's social contract,but people who still replies to you has already seen you in a lower position,and decides to reply to the topic for its own sake.

Nov-29-11  Ladolcevita: <HeMateMe>
You should know that in both India and Philippines,English is an official language.This explains a great deal.

And thanks for your praise as you imagined that I was American or a Briton,etc.,but that I was not.

And let me tell you more about the online censorship here. Yes,one would get arrested here if one had posted something that really damages our society,for instance some one posted rumors about earthquakes,causing the massive panic in particular areas,and affected people's normal life,so do you think it not fair them to be arrested by government according to their IP and accurate location?But why would a government follow a random guy in some foreign sites,some complaints people make in their chatting.Just imagine how many Chinese people there are,and you see how unfeasible it is to monitor any people talking about politics or suchline online.I myself also had occasionally talked about politics with some of my friends online,and we feel quite easy and comfortable,it's just normal talk,exchanging our opinions,so it's difficult for me to understand your words such as "officially frowned upon"...I think western people have taken these issues totally wrong,they thought everyone the same,every country the same,yes,they are similar,but certainly different,it's not what you have imagined would necessarily be true in another land,another culture,another country.They do not remember when Columbus reached an island long time ago,how warm the native people welcome them,giving them valuable things,yet what he had in his mind,and expressed in his letter to perhaps the Spanish Queen,cant really remember,that they should send more ships here to take possession of the island,to make native people their slaves,etc.Well,this is just one small instance,anyway...

I really find it hard,as a Chinese,that nowadays,western people still prefer criticizing others,while never talking about their own mistakes the history has seen.They just always say things like"Oh,China is blocking sites",yet they never understand more.Dating back to a very ancient time,China has already put forward ideas like"all over the world,we are friends""When a friend comes from afar,isnt it so delightful?",it's not about blocking sites,but rather,anyone who knows about freedom and politics should not hold such a one-sided opinion.I would rather consider them excuses and guises to other ends.

Anyway,I will just stop here...Besides,I guess from my words,one can also see that I'm a native Chinese.

Nov-29-11
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  HeMateMe: <Lad> We always criticize ourselves, here in the USA. Our political television shows are nothing but a food fight, night in and night out.

China has....1.3 billion people right now? The better educated populace, who speak English are living in the urban areas, which have the greatest internet access. If you google "chess" this site will come up. 1.3 billion people, and there is a shortage of those who play chess and speak English? I'm afraid you won't be able to convince me of this. I believe there is still censorship going on, both actual blockage of sites where one can "chat" with others around the world, and also fear of users in some countries of being randomly observed by government censors.

Nov-29-11  Catholic Bishop: <We don't seem to have that sort of dialogue going on. For me, the only logical conclusion is that these sites with chat features are blocked in Russia and China, or government censors sporadically monitor citizen's web accounts and can make trouble for those who are too outspoken.> Funnily enough, you can ariive at the same conclusion about Japan since I barely see any Japanese commentators on Nakamura's page.
Nov-29-11  Petrosianic: <Funnily enough, you can ariive at the same conclusion about Japan since I barely see any Japanese commentators on Nakamura's page.>

You probably don't see many Cubs fans on Lou Brock's page either. There is such a thing as sour grapes.

Nov-29-11  Ladolcevita: <HeMateMe>
All right,I see:)
Yes,I've seen a British General Election Debate once,and that's really very impressive!

And with regard to your question,I think I've already explained it before:

<<Hemateme> As I and some other users have already explained in that Hou-Koneru match page,the main reasons are twofold:1.language barrier 2.chess is known to few here,and I should add that:thanks to the wonderful success some Chinese chess players have achieved,chess gained some reputation and fame here,otherwise probably chess would be known to fewer people,since there are Chinese chess and Go and some other local games already,and overall such board games are usually less popular too. So how many Chinese people would you expect to come to CG.com?And how many who actually have visited CG would you expect to post comments too,especially when they are not really versed in the language?>

Statistics could be misleading anyway,and maybe for you,it is difficult to visualize a world where chess is peripheral and English-speaking is rare.Yes,indeed the Chinese government attaches great importance to English in the national education system,but most people study English because they have to pass exams,and usually they dislike English because they feel its hard and say why should they study it,when they never meet a foreigner in their entire life,and Chinese is completely sufficient(yes,actually here one doesnt hear English at all,all people are speaking and only speaking Chinese or dialects,english only belongs to the school and the international areas that most people usually dont partake in);and for those who are pretty good at English,they perhaps have never touched a chess board at all or never heard about it,or rather,merely heard about it somewhere in some news perhaps;and then for those who are interested in chess,as you said,they might google(or I guess baidu is more likely,the Chinese counterpart of google,though that mainly offers one Chinese sites and perhaps a small number of English sites,if one searches an English item,so I checked the word"chess",and I simply cant find CG.com in the first 10 pages,where I decide not to continue,and moreover, most likely they pehaps will baidu the Chinese translation of chess:guojixiangqi(I will just type pinyin here)/literally means international chess,or xiyangqi/the translation perhaps popular in Hongkong,Taiwan,etc./literally means western chess;so apparently it's impossible to find CG.com by such means),but still,for those who actually find CG.com,with also a good command of the language,yet to register and post comments is even another matter.Just imagine,if you went to sites that is not in your mother tongue,and though you perhaps have a knowledge of it,do you really feel easy,effortless and thus comfortable there?Do you want to embark upon a journey where you probably have to modify and modify a post,to meet new words endlessly,and sometimes slightly at a loss when you fail to express your opinion as well as in your own language,or sometimes you write and write until you dont know where you are,and miss some points here and there?Is it not tiresome? For me,you see,I dont really come here very often and usually I just post short comments.But in fact CG.com is quite a splendid site:)

So you see,what you found not convincing is actually very simple and reasonable,so I hope you can understand it now.

Nov-29-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: <Ladolcevita> People always ask me where I am from, I always reply 'My mother's womb'.

To me, from doesn't not necessary mean where you are now. But I was more or less teasin' <Chessmoron> than anything else.

I can also put "I am from Siberia" in my profile, but does that really mean I was originally born in Siberia and/or still living there? No, 'course not. =)

What <Chessmoron> was trying to tell us was the censorship issue, and he used you as an example of accessing the internet.

And unfortunately, I also used you as a counter example to his argument. Big mess, aye?!

Yes, I am American, with my biological father/mother being Chinese. (Don't think I was adopted... At least they haven't told met yet.) I am from my mother's womb, even though she won't admit it.

Nov-29-11  Catholic Bishop: <You probably don't see many Cubs fans on Lou Brock's page either. There is such a thing as sour grapes.>

Lol trust me the Japanese would find such an analogy utterly absurd. They go by blood, not the cute little flag thingy on the table blocking the view of the board. And better yet, you couldn't even tell he's mixed.

Nov-29-11  Petrosianic: You could be right, I don't know much about Japanese culture. I do something similar myself. I follow the Tennessee Titans, because to me they're still the Houston Oilers.
Nov-29-11  ChessXin: <HeMateMe>
I hope you learn some Chinese and visit some Chinese sites to read what people say about the Chinese government. You will be surprised to see how much criticism is there.

Your assumption that Chinese people don't post on this site because of censorship is plainly wrong. First, there are not a lot of people care about Chess. Second, if you can use your native language to post, why use the second language?

By the way, CNN and BBC don’t have such a good reputation in China. Some people view them as anti-China propaganda machines, not the real news organizations.

Also, it is true that there is a lot of political debate in West. But, in my opinion, a lot of them are about the debating style to attract voters, not the solutions of actual issues. How many times have we seen a politician make a promise he/she can’t keep?

Nov-29-11
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  HeMateMe: <Lad> I stand behind my comments, because mainland China has a history of censorship. As I said, just recently the Chinese government requested that computers shipped to China with MS Word built in be equipped with a function that allows your government to either block certain sites or monitor the activity on these sites.

I doubt University students have 100%, unmonitored access to the internet. Tiananmen Square was not so long ago, and you still don't have a democratically elected government.

Nov-29-11  s4life: <HeMateMe: I'm not offended or paranoid. Nor was I trying to get under your skin. But, one gets a sense of a poster's country from what they say, and how they say it.>

I think you went a bit too fast in your claims re: censorship and population distribution here at cg.com. I would tend to agree with chessmoron here.. there aren't many chinese posters around due to a language barrier rather than censorship per se... after all, why would they even need to come here? chinese is the dominant language in the internet by far.

Nov-29-11  chessmoron: <HeMateMe> Do you why CCP blocks Facebook, twitter, and blogs that is owned by wordpress or blogspot? Because CCP have no control. So what they do is inviting Chinese-American entrepeneurs to create copies of Facebook (Renren), twitter (Sina Weibo) and also blogs (Sina blogs and others) and impose self-censorship to things that is a threat to their leadership. Even with the self-imposed censorships, it hardly deters people to cancel their accounts and continue to voice their opinions.

So your point that history of censorship that deters Chinese and Russians away from chess blogs like chessgames.com is not true.

Nov-29-11
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  alexmagnus: <Chinese government attaches great importance to English in the national education system,but most people study English because they have to pass exams,and usually they dislike English because they feel its hard and say why should they study it,when they never meet a foreigner in their entire life,and Chinese is completely sufficient(yes,actually here one doesnt hear English at all,all people are speaking and only speaking Chinese or dialects,english only belongs to the school and the international areas that most people usually dont partake in)>

Reminds me of the (post-)Soviet situation. Everyone learned English at school but most don't speak it at any reasonable level :D.

Nov-29-11
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  alexmagnus: <HMM>As for Russia, I am a regular visitor to a Russian chess forum and they use CG too - just not to talk, only to watch/browse games :).

As for you meeting many (Russian) emigrants here - well, there are many. The population of European post-Soviet countries sinks - and emigration plays in that sinking about the same role as mortality. BTW I didn't see any Chinese emigrant here... Are there any at all?

Nov-29-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheFocus: I was going to comment on how cute Yifan was until I saw she was only 16.

Then I felt like a perv!

I have a son that old!

Nov-29-11
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  HeMateMe: <Do you why CCP blocks Facebook, twitter, and blogs that is owned by wordpress or blogspot? Because CCP have no control.>

That makes absolutely no sense. You are saying that the Chinese Communist Party blocks facebook, twitter, and international news sites like CNN and the BBC. Then, you claim that the authorities "look the other way", don't care if people use technological trickery to get around it?

Just the fact that the government blocks the websites in the first place should tell you that something is terribly wrong.

And, I find it hard to believe that people in Russia and China who speak passable English don't try and find out a bit more about the world around them, by talking about the government, world media, health concerns, and a lot of other subjects that concern us all. We DO get those comments from the posters here who live in India, Norway, Mexico and other countries.

I feel you are denying an embarrassing problem, denying it's existance.

Nov-29-11
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  alexmagnus: Don't know about China, but in Russia they talk about it all, just in Russian. And yes, with links to foreign websites too.

Anyway, talking about Russia <and> China is nonsensical, as the political situation is completely different in these two countries. As is the censorship-related situation.

Nov-29-11  chessmoron: <Then, you claim that the authorities "look the other way", don't care if people use technological trickery to get around it?>

They can with certain proxies where proxy owners doesn't update and don't get fixed. As far as in paid VPN goes, it seems that CCP can't figure out how to disrupt it.

<and international news sites like CNN and the BBC.> CNN and BBC news is NOT blocked in China BTW. You can check by supplying the appropriate websites and perform a test if it is blocked in China or not. Link: http://www.websitepulse.com/help/te...

It also says that chessgames.com is hardly blocked at all.

<Just the fact that the government blocks the websites in the first place should tell you that something is terribly wrong.> Not going to argue you over that however it is irrelevant to why can more Russians and Chinese come to chessgames.

<We DO get those comments from the posters here who live in India, Norway, Mexico and other countries.> I don't hear it from the French, Hungarians, Brazilians, etc. I guess they are so afraid of being suppressed.

Nov-30-11  Ladolcevita: <WannaBe>
All right,I see:)
Yes,I understand what you meant,the nationality is different,I know.But the reason why I was surprised before was that you seemed quite hostile to China when you are biologically Chinese.I mean,if I were a Chinese born otherwhere,I would perhaps do not care China that much,but at least I might willingly say some good words or clarification when the occasion arises(like<dumbgai>did in Hou-Koneru page),or at least would not stand opposed to China.That seems more natural to me.So then I was somewhat surprised. But anyway,now I see your point:)
Nov-30-11  Ladolcevita: <ChessXin>
Yes,many are just to attract voters,but it's still quite impressive when you can hear those leaders or candidates talking about their views in public.But yes,that doesnt mean they will keep their promises after election...anyway,I'm just talking about it from the perspective of an audience.
Nov-30-11  Ladolcevita: <HeMateMe>
I'm really tired of your endless accusations...
I wonder how many people here have you on ignore,I once did,but I felt it was weird to have someone on ignore,so I undid it...anyway,as I said,usually I didnt come here so often.I can only hope that you learn what courtesy means,and if you keep meddling with the conversation and annoying others,I'm sorry,people have their own business,they dont have to spend time on someone they neither admire nor respect nor feel friendly.

BTW,isnt ignore a censorship?Why is censorship necessarily undesirable?And which government has no censorship in any time anywhere on the earth? You said<Mainland China has a history of censorship>,so I open a book,of some selected writings by Thomas Jefferson,and there's one article named<censorship of books>,talking about the religious censorship at that time.This is just one of the endless instances,because I only bought this book long time ago to improve my English,I really didnt mean to find any proofs for today's discussion. And talking about religion,also one could recall that Bruno who was burnt in a square,and clearly his books were censored.Such instances abound,so I think it's obvious who have a history of censorship. And then talking about the censorship,why is it necessarily undesirable? Yes,if the government is doing the wrong censorship,that is wrong,but what's wrong with blocking sites that are full of violence,porn,negative information etc.? Just imagine,if you have a kid,do you want them to browse those websites,in the name of freedom?Yes,freedom,so why not give your kid freedom to take drugs,to bring the negative information to them so that they lose any positive faith when they dont even grow up?Become a cynic or suchlike?The world is not all a fine place,but I believe all parents will do for their kids is to protect them from such kind of things.So isnt that a censorship,and is that wrong?If your government doesnt filter things for you,who will do?So it's not censorship that matters,it's whether the government is doing the reasonable censorship,or patently wrong censorship.

Nov-30-11  Ladolcevita: Secondly,you said<and you still don't have a democratically elected government.>democracy,I can see you dont understand this either. Normally a democratic country is more difficult to make progress,because everyone is thinking about themselves.But it is good because by that we can correct our mistakes when it is not too late,like sometime in history.But actually if the government is good enough,if the people are kind and sensible enough,it's not necessarily that terrible if there's no demoracy.To put it in brief,whether it is democracy or not,people remain roughly the same,they still make mistakes and there are still murders etc.,it's not what matters that whether it is democratic or not,but it's the people,the real situation under the big terms of its regime.For instance,China,especiall the past China,not much westernized,people are genuinely warm and kind to others.So as I've said once in CG.com,when Sommerset Maugham once visited China,and he was totally surprised how democratic people were,and more democratic than the west,even though the regime was completely feudalism,when he saw what happened between an official and a coolie.It's hard for me to explain everything,but traditional Chinese do not view the world as westerners view,yet the westerners could never stretch their minds a little larger to understand what others are actually like,and perhaps slightly different from themselves...Yes,I do not say democracy is not good,or China doesnt need democracy,I just mean it depends.And I can see how valuable democracy is to western people,because people there are pehaps self-centred and independent,the individualism someone will say,and also according to the history,western people invades other countries and wages wars,so without demoracy,I guess western world will make such mistakes too.But to China,a country that sends her fleet to as far as the India,the Africa,the Middle East at roughly the same time when some western countries sends their fleet to invade and colonize other countries,yet China never did that,they just came back from the ocean,after some commercial trade or offical visits in those areas.And dont forget,that it is China that invents the compass,the bomb,the printing,yet she never uses these things in a terrible way.It is western countries that often make science a regretful achievement.So I always think western countries should learn from history more than other countries,because I felt many other countries,like China,per se is quite pacific,though as I have also stated before.they are different but similar,I do not intend to beautify my country,since there are many social or historical problems here too,and China is more and more westernized after the invasion,and we are all human beings too,naturally all have made many mistakes in history.

Anyway,I would stop here.I'm not an official,not a historian,not a writer,I cant explain everything,and with a pleasant pen.I'm just saying these because I'm Chinese,and I hope it will suffice to let people understand my country a little better.

Nov-30-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: <Ladolcevita> An interesting read.And thanks to you for trying to give a view of how life can be in China !

See you & cheers!

Nov-30-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: <Lad> You are an army of one, most admirable. And as for the other 1,299,999,999 folks in your neck of the woods....? I'm afraid I would have to have a bit more feedback, before I change my opionion. I feel you are in the minority, and speaking out of hope, instead of acknowledging an unfortunate reality.
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