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|May-09-16|| ||luftforlife: <MissScarlett>: Thank you as always for your superlative research, for your incisive comments, and for your game submissions. I had got the impression from perusing pieces in The Brooklyn Daily Eagle that Rosebault had been a strong player as a member of Manhattan Chess Club; thanks for confirming this. Reckless he was; perhaps this helped him in his chess-playing, in which he was far from feckless.|
|May-09-16|| ||luftforlife: "For the post of referee and foreign representative for the forthcoming New York-Havana international masters chess championship tournament, the management has appointed Leopold Hoffer, the London critic and writer, according to a statement given out yesterday by F.D. Rosebault of the Manhattan Chess Club, who is the managing director of the congress which has been scheduled to open in this city on November 30, with January 4 as the starting date at Havana. This appointment will be hailed the world over wherever the games to be played in this great contest will circulate, as in every respect most fitting."|
"Chess Referee Chosen," The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Sunday, August 11, 1912, Sporting Section, p.5:
|May-09-16|| ||luftforlife: "According to a cablegram from Leopold Hoffer of London received by the management of the New York-Havana chess championship tournament, yesterday, all hopes of the participation as a competitor of Dr. Emanuel Lasker, the world's champion, were completely shattered, inasmuch as such terms were laid down by the latter as to preclude the possibility of their acceptance. At any rate, this was the sense of a statement given out by F.D. Rosebault, the managing director, . . . . |
. . .
"The sum that Dr. Larker [sic] requires as a guarantee is $5,550, which is within $2,000 of the total prize fund the management expects to distribute, and entirely apart from Dr. Lasker's share in that fund as a prize winner.
. . .
"Dr. Lasker also calls for an apology from Capablanca for the latter's reference to the unfairness of Dr. Lasker when the Cuban replied to the conditions laid down by Dr. Lasker to govern the proposed match for the championship between them.
. . .
"F.D. Rosebault, the managing director of the New York-Havana tournament,, gave out the following statement shortly after the receipt of Mr. Hoffer's cable message yesterday:
'Dr. Emanuel Lasker, chess master, philosopher, and humorist, bids the world to smile. Are we to understand from the conditions he prescribes that he intends barring himself from all future tournaments in which Capablanca may participate? It is needless to say that such a course would be at least as injurious to Dr. Lasker as it would be to Capablanca. It is possible that he believes that by shelving himself he is injuring Capablanca?
'As regards his money demands, nobody knows better than does Dr. Lasker the difficulty that is always experienced in raising sufficient funds for first class international chess tournaments, and it is quite safe to say that he is well aware that it would be out of the question for the management of this or any other tournament to consider paying such an absurd amount to any one player.'"
"Prohibitive Terms by Chess Champion," The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Sunday, Sept. 22, 1912, Sporting Section, p.9:
|May-11-16|| ||MissScarlett: <Latest update: 9 May 2016.>|
Eppur si muove!
|May-30-16|| ||MissScarlett: I present <The Curious Case of Capa's Chimeric Consort>:|
Edward Winter, <Capablanca: A Compendium of Games, Notes, Articles, Correspondence, Illustrations and Other Rare Archival Materials on the Cuban Chess Genius José Raúl Capablanca, 1888–1942>, McFarland, 1989, p.54:
<A rumor that went the rounds at this time  was that Capablanca had married, in Summit, New Jersey. It soon spread to Europe (e.g. the October <British Chess Magazine>, pages 426-427). Even Juan Corzo wrote, on page 530 of <El Figaro> of 8 September 1912, that Capablanca was expected that day in Havana from the United States, accompanied by his new spouse. He wished the happy couple "an everlasting honeymoon." The chess press in general gave vent to its fertile wit ("Capablanca is Mated"), but all in vain for, as Corzo reported in the following week's column (page 546), the news had been "a canard from Florida." <Capablanca-Magazine> (15 September, page 149) also pointed out good-naturedly that congratulations to Capablanca were inappropriate.>
Miguel Sanchez's <Jose Raul Capablanca: A Chess Biography>, McFarland, 2015, pp.171-72, covers the same territory but with little progress:
<The Cuban departed back to Cuba on September 7 aboard the steamer <Saratoga>. A press wire reported he traveled accompanied by a lady whom he had espoused in the United States. Many came to the Havana port with flowers for the bride, but discovered that there was no such bride and that apparently it had just been a love affair. [...] When Capablanca arrived in Havana and was asked about his wedding, he said that such information was not true, "because it was missing the main piece, the bride." In the journal <Diario de la Marina> of September 11, 1912, Capablanca stated that he was still unmarried.>
All very interesting, I hear you say, but why raise it here? Read on....
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 29th August, 1912, p.21:
<It has just come to be known in chess circles that Jose R. Capablanca figured recently as the principal at a quiet wedding ceremony held in Summit, N. J. The bride, who comes from a prominent family in the Far West, was too modest to court the publicity which would naturally attach to the marriage of so widely known a public figure as the Cuban champion, and the latter therefore made the announcement only to his intimates. Mated so early in life, it does not follow that the young master will not continue to checkmate many an opponent on the checkered squares.>
The Sun (New York), September 1st, 1912:
<Two weeks ago F. D. Rosebault, the manager of the forthcoming New York-Havana Congress walked into the office of a chess publication and announced that he had been having a rather busy time and that he was unable to have attended to some minor business in connection with the international congress. On being pressed to give some particulars about the things that had kept him so busy he quietly said: "to begin with I want to inform you on the strict q. t. that Capablanca saw fit to take unto himself a wife, a beautiful girl from the Western coast. But mind you, don't publish anything about it. The young bride does not want any notoriety and her maiden name is positively not known east of Chicago. She hails from a good family and abhors the idea of having her maiden name mentioned in all the papers of the land and abroad. The quiet marriage ceremony took place at Summit, N.J., and that is all I can say at present."
The news was released on Friday, but Mr. Rosebault positively refused to give any additional particulars beyond the fact that the young bridal couple shortly will sail for Cuba in order to spend a brief honeymoon at the Cuban metropolis. While at Havana the Cuban matador will likewise arrange certain matters in connection with the New York-Havana Congress and thus, as the saying goes, kill two birds with one stone.>
|May-30-16|| ||MissScarlett: The Sun (New York), September 6th, 1912:
<It will be a surprise to chess players to learn that Jose R. Capablanca, who has been intimately identified with the Manhattan Chess Club since he first came to this country in 1904, and has been its ardent champion and representative in his travels around the world, has severed all connection with that organization. The brilliant Cuban master has long felt that certain interests in the club were none too friendly to him, but it was not until Tuesday night, when the directors acted in a manner particularly offensive to him, that he decided to resign.
It was stated at the rooms of the Manhattan Chess Club yesterday that Capablanca's resignation had not come officially before the directory of the club, and the directors present were of the opinion that the whole trouble had been exaggerated, and would be smoothed over in a short time. The grievance of the Cuban originated, they said, in the re-election of a certain member.
When F. D. Rosebault, Capablanca's personal representative, was apprised of the sentiment of the club, he immediately sought out Capablanca and obtained from him the following signed statement with the request that it be made public:
To Whom It May Concern - I hereby certify that on the evening of September 3, 1912, I officially tendered my written resignation as a member of the Manhattan Chess Club, the same to take effect immediately.
(Signed) J. R. Capablanca. New York, September 5, 1912.
Capablanca, accompanied by Mrs. Capablanca, will sail for Havana on board the steamship Saratoga at 1 o'clock tomorrow afternoon.>
The Sunday Times (Perth, AUS), November 17th, 1912, p.15:
<The following has been going the round of the British and Colonial press: - "An interesting marriage ceremony, quiet rather than clandestine, although it did not become generally known until some weeks later, was celebrated at Summit, N.J., U.S.A., on August 16. The bridegroom was no less a notable than Jose R. Capablanca, and the blushing bride a beautiful girl from the golden west, a scion, so the story goes, of a prominent family, and whose extreme modesty forbade promiscuous publishing of the banns. A dainty pocket chess board, we understand, forms one of the trinkets Mrs. Capablanca now always keeps about her, and it is apparently her intention to share with her husband the deep delights the magic squares alone can afford." Mr. Hoffer, in the "Field," quotes the following from a letter he has received from Mr. Rosebault, the manager of the forthcoming New York-Havana Tournament, dated September 19:-"In case you happen to see any reports of Capablanca's marriage, I will say that they are not correct. He is not married.">
So what to make of it all? It appears that Rosebault was the sole source for the story. If there wasn't some actual basis to it, at least, a 'love affair' as Sanchez puts it, what motive could Rosebault have for spreading it? Assuming Capa knew of Rosebault's involvement, and its hard to see how he wouldn't, did it further contribute to the breakdown of their friendship?
More needs to be discovered. What was the original source of the article attributed to the 'British and Colonial press'? Can Hoffer's piece in <The Field> be located? Did any of the American papers that carried the marriage news (which included <The New York Herald> and <The
Chicago Tribune>) get around to correcting the record?
|May-30-16|| ||Granny O Doul: Say what you will about this guy, he did lift us out of the Depression.|
|May-30-16|| ||perfidious: As so often in history, 'twas someone else who got the credit for all his good deeds, however: that wretched cousin of his Frankie, from up Hyde Park way.|
|May-30-16|| ||MissScarlett: The reason for including the excerpt from the <The Sun> article of September 6th, 1912, regarding Capa's resignation from the Manhattan CC, is my suspicion that Rosebault may have been instrumental in that decision, as well. With Rosebault out of the picture by December 1912, Capa would withdraw his resignation, as reported by the January 1913 <ACB>.|
|May-30-16|| ||zanzibar: OK, <MissSusan> has uncovered an interesting episode, or so it seems.|
I don't understand the relationship between Capablanca and Rosenbault. If Roenbault is being charged with fabricating the story then how could he be Capablanca's "personal representative"? It also seems apparent that he was not the "certain member" whose re-election aggrieved Capablanca.
Also, Rosenblaut writes Hoffer on Sept 19 with a denial of the story he planted?
My original thought was that it's possible that Capablanca did indeed get married in NJ, but without the parent's involvement, or something along those lines. The idea being that the marriage was annulled almost immediately, and Capablanca did set sail for Havana without a bride. And after the quick annulment, no marriage either.
Then every denial then becomes truthful, as they generally said "Capablanca is not married", rather than "Capablanca never married".
And the "no bride, no marriage" statement is revealed as rather sly.
|May-31-16|| ||Tabanus: I find no Capablanca marriage record. But he seems to have married Gloria Simoni Betancourt in 1921,|
|May-31-16|| ||MissScarlett: < It also seems apparent that he was not the "certain member" whose re-election aggrieved Capablanca.>|
That was not my implication. I'm naughtily suggesting Rosebault, whose role as Capa's manager may have aroused a degree of jealousy and animosity within the club, could've used his (mal)influence to turn Capa against elements of the membership.
< The idea being that the marriage was annulled almost immediately, and Capablanca did set sail for Havana without a bride. And after the quick annulment, no marriage either.>
There may have been irreconcilable differences in the respective libido levels.
|May-31-16|| ||MissScarlett: <Rosenbault...Roenbault...Rosenblaut>|
The name is Rosebault.
|May-31-16|| ||MissScarlett: <From Sergey Prokofiev Diaries 1915-1923 translated and annotated by Anthony Phillips (London, 2008) [...]:|
12  November 1918: ‘With Capablanca to see Miss Eleanor Young, the lady he lived with for six years. She is a most refined young woman, slender, pale, very charming and very American. Colossal success (mine with her). Capablanca, who is on the point of marrying someone else, counsels me to exploit this success.’ (Page 357)>
<Tabby>, I realise it's not much to go on, but see if you can narrow down a list of possibles.
|May-31-16|| ||zanzibar: <The name is Rosebault.>|
"A Rosebault is a rosebault is a rosebault."
-- Alice B. Toklas
|May-31-16|| ||zanzibar: From
José Raúl Capablanca: A Chess Biography
By Miguel A. Sánchez
Notes Ch 6 N9 p510
<9. A formal inquiry (Number 1192515) to the office of Statistics and Registry of the State of New Jersey about the wedding certificate of José R. Capablanca in 1912, received the response: "There is not any record on file for the marriage of Jose R. Capablanca and Eleonor [sic] Young." Document No.: A0008.476.376/ Nov 21, 2012. If the news of the wedding by Helms prove to be truth, most probably the bride was not Miss Young. The information about the supposed wedding was published in Diario de la Marina, October 27, 1912, p. 9.>
Susie was holding out on us!
|Feb-24-17|| ||MissScarlett: Before I was rudely interrupted...
<<In December 1912, Capablanca had a falling out of his former business partner, F. D. Rosebault. Capablanca had to go to court to answer a summons that Rosebault accused Capablanca of taking personal effects from the office which they formerly occupied in Westfield, New Jersey. Capablanca took some of Rosebault’s papers, letters, cigars, and liquor bottles from the office and said he would return them in after Rosebault returned Capablanca’s gold medals given to him by the city of Havana. (source: Virginia Gazetter, Jan 2, 1913, p. 7)>>
Frederick Dana Rosebault (kibitz #4)
Plainfield Courier-News, Thursday, December 26th, 1912, p.8:
<CHAMPION CHESS PLAYER IN COURT
Jose R. Capablanca, the chess champion, was in the New York court on Tuesday on charges preferred by his former manager, F.D. Rosebault, of Westfield.
Mr. Rosebault accused Mr. Capablanca of taking personal effects from the office which they formerly occupied. The champion produced a waste basket containing papers, letters, cigars and liquors, which, he declared, was all the property in question, and which he had offered to Rosebault any time he wanted it. He demanded in return the gold medals given him by the city of Havana, otherwise, he said, he would bring counter-charges.
At the suggestion of James W. Osborne, Capablanca's counsel, the case was postponed until Friday.>
That would put the court date as December 24th. Was the case resumed or did they 'man up' and settle out of court?
|Feb-25-17|| ||TheFocus: "A rosebault by any other name..."|
|Feb-25-17|| ||TheFocus: What's the connection here with <Citizen Kane>?|
|Feb-25-17|| ||HeMateMe: odd, a female middle name?|
|Feb-25-17|| ||perfidious: <HMM>, Dana is gender-neutral; I have known perhaps a half-dozen men with that forename, about the same number of women--dated one of the women, from down your way.|
|Feb-25-17|| ||MissScarlett: <In 1987 we gave the following brief item (C.N. 1520):|
Page 190 of the December 1920 American Chess Bulletin reported on the festivities held at the New York home of the violinist Mischa Elman on 7 December 1920. The guests, who presented Reshevsky with a diamond ring (the ideal gift for a nine-year-old ...), included ‘Mr and Mrs Rosebault’.
Was this F.D. Rosebault? If so, it is the first post-1912/13 reference to him that we have found.>
More likely to be Mr. and Mrs. Charles J Rosebault. Rosebault suddenly came to prominence in 1917/18 with a succession of pro-war, anti-German newspaper homilies on behalf of <The Vigilantes>, 'a non-partisan organization formed by the writers of America for patriotic purposes.'
|Feb-25-17|| ||MissScarlett: Asbury Park Evening Press, November 10th, 1924, p.2:|
<RED BANK, Nov. 10. -- Walter M. Rosebault, until a week ago a resident of Elizabeth, died last night at the home of his son in Eatontown. He leaves a wife and two sons, one of whom resides in California. Arrangements, in charge of Undertakers Mount and Son, will be announced later.>
A notice appearing in the same paper the following day, relates the funeral service was held in the home of his eldest son, Leonard W., and confirms that he is survived by two sons.
But there were three brothers - Leonard, Fred and Alfred. It may, naturally, simply be a reporting error, but it raises two other possibilities - i) Fred was away in California and Alfred, the youngest son, had died or was otherwise absent (in the 1920 Census, he's listed as being with the Army in Europe), or ii) that Fred had become estranged from the family, and was considered persona non grata, which might, in turn, explain why he changed his surname to Welles (although there's no evidence this had happened by 1924).
<Tab>, see if you can find anything germane on Alfred, reportedly born June 1889 in NY.
|Feb-25-17|| ||MissScarlett: I was a bit gobsmacked to find that Charles J. Rosebault published a book in 1931 called <When Dana Was The Sun: A Story of Personal Journalism>, but it turned out to be about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charl...|
Still, if Charles turned out to be related to Walter - the <Asbury Park Evening Press> mentioned he also had two surviving brothers - that might well explain whence Fred got his transgender name.
|Jan-10-18|| ||MissScarlett: We've traced the career of Rosebault from juvenile delinquent and enfant terrible of the Manhattan CC, through the rise and demise of his friendship with Capablanca, but what became of him? The only inkling comes in the unlikely form of a sanitation notice!|
<Marin Herald> (San Anselmo, CA), May 30th 1930, p.9:
<Delinquent Tax List in and for Sanitary District No. One
DEFAULT HAVING BEEN MADE in the payment of Taxes levied in the year 1929 for Sanitary District No. One, for the year ending June 30th, 1930, upon the real and personal property described in the DELINQUENT LIST hereto appended.
4492- F. Dana Rosebault Wells [sic]: Isabelle Welles. Tract of land bd N by land of Wm. Berger, E by Butterfield Road, S by land of C. Schafer, W by 40ft road. Contg 1.82 acres, except 0.87 acres assessed in Acquisition and Imp. Dist. No. 1; bal .95 acres.............$ .99
4493- F. Dana Rosebault Welles: Isabelle Welles. Tract of land bd N by land of Wm. Berger, E by Butterfield Road S by land C. Schafer W by W line of Acquisition and Imp. Dist. No. 1. Contg 0.87 acres....$2.98>
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