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Bureaucrat
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   Bureaucrat has kibitzed 3857 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Dec-12-17 Kenneth S Rogoff (replies)
 
Bureaucrat: <Meanwhile the President has a great opportunity <right now> to take advantage of the failed impeachment and get Congress to pass an enabling act giving him the necessary unilateral authority to do what must be done to quash emerging threats to our national security.>
 
   Aug-07-17 Sinquefield Cup (2017) (replies)
 
Bureaucrat: Lucky Carlsen was lucky to beat unlucky So just because lucky Carlsen was lucky. That's how lucky Carlsen beat unlucky So.
 
   Aug-07-17 W So vs Carlsen, 2017 (replies)
 
Bureaucrat: <ChessEscudero: Wesley So was distracted. I think there are some personal problems with him. As well as jetlag problems. Not to mention he is very generous and hospitable. The past-his-prime Carlsen was very lucky Wesley is not in his form. :-))> Lucky Carlsen beat So ...
 
   Aug-06-17 thegoodanarchist chessforum (replies)
 
Bureaucrat: <thegoodanarchist>, good evening! Thanks for elaborate answers and challenging posts. I need a little time to think. Will be back in a day two.
 
   Aug-04-17 Bureaucrat chessforum (replies)
 
Bureaucrat: Oppussing er aldri gøy. Du har min medfølelse! Imponerende av de danske fotballdamer. Vi ønsker Danmark lykke til på søndag! :-) I Norge er det lite som skjer for tiden. Det er fortsatt sommer, og samfunnet er i gå-sakte-modus. Jeg har så vidt begynt å jobbe igjen etter ferien, ...
 
   Aug-02-17 Magnus Carlsen (replies)
 
Bureaucrat: I like that system!
 
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Dec-23-13  rogge: Nipper til en Weissbier, God Jul!
Dec-23-13
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  moronovich: Kære <Bureaucrat> !

Du og dine ønskes en rigtig Glædelig Jul og et godt Nyt År,med tak for fine stunder i det gamle !

Dec-24-13  Diademas: God jul til deg!

Familien er i bingen, pinnekjøttet fortært og huset tatt. En liten hjemmelaget IPA og en sigar fra en karibisk/kommunistisk øystat er alt som står imellom meg og sengen. Noen ganger er det allraight... :)

Dec-24-13  wordfunph: Bureau, merry Christmas!
Dec-25-13
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  Bureaucrat: Merry Christmas, good people! Thanks for visiting. :-)
Mar-08-14
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  Bureaucrat: Lærer irettesetter elev på nett. Hva f?
Mar-08-14
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  moronovich: God morgen <Bureacrat> !

Alt vel,håber jeg.
Her er det tidlige forår på vej.. :)bigsmiley

Og snart går det løs hos kandidaterne.
Håber på Kramnik,da han og Carlsen står enormt godt til hinanden.

Mar-08-14
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  Bureaucrat: God dag, moronovich!

Jo da, alt vel. Hagesesongen har begynt her, og vi har endelig fått litt sol i dag.

Jeg gleder meg til kandidatturneringen. Enig med deg, Kramnik skulle bli en bra vm-motstander. Vi krysser fingrene for Big Vlad!

Fortsatt god vår. :-)

Mar-08-14
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  moronovich: <Hagesesongen har begynt her,>

Også her.Kaffen smager så godt efter en tur med redskaberne ;) <Fortsatt god vår. :-)>

Absolut det samme til dig !

Og ved du for resten hvorfor de spiller VM-match allerede i år !?? Og bliver der en igen i 2015 ?..

Mar-10-14
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  Bureaucrat: Jeg vet ikke hvorfor VM-matchen er allerede i år, men så vidt jeg vet er den neste planlagt i 2016.
Mar-10-14
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  moronovich: Tak for dit svar !

Her skinner solen helt vildt og foråret
pibler frem overalt.

Og kun tre dage til kandidatturneringen starter ;)

Dec-25-14  wordfunph: Bureau, Merry Christmas!
Dec-27-14
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  Abdel Irada: A merry Yule to you, too. :-)

Dec-27-14
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  moronovich: God Jul <Bureaucrat> og et godt Nyt År til dig !
Aug-01-17
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  thegoodanarchist: Welcome back to premium status!
Aug-01-17
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  Bureaucrat: Thanks!
Aug-01-17
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  moronovich: God aften <Bureaucrat> !

Godt at se,du er tilbage igen.Håber alt er vel.Og så endda med den gode gamle avatar :)

Aug-01-17
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  Bureaucrat: <moronovich>! God aften! Davs!

Alt vel her, særlig etter at jeg har fått tilbake fiske-avataren.

Noe nytt i Danmark?

Aug-03-17
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  moronovich: God aften igen !

Gruer for en restaurering af vores hus(vi er 20 andelsboliger,i forlængelse af hinanden),hvor de næste 3-4-5 uger kan blive ret hårde.Ellers var det jættecool at vores fodbolddamer gik i finalen efter en stor indsats her til aften.Meget fortjent. Og så bliver det spændende at se om Magnus
kan finde hans A-game igen i St Luis !?

Og hvordan går det i Norge !?

De bedste hilsner fra -moro-.

Aug-04-17
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  Bureaucrat: Oppussing er aldri gøy. Du har min medfølelse!

Imponerende av de danske fotballdamer. Vi ønsker Danmark lykke til på søndag! :-)

I Norge er det lite som skjer for tiden. Det er fortsatt sommer, og samfunnet er i gå-sakte-modus. Jeg har så vidt begynt å jobbe igjen etter ferien, men har ikke helt klart å omstille meg til arbeidslivet igjen. Man blir lat av ferie. Heldigvis er det action i St Louis, og i går klarte den godeste Carlsen å spille et riktig bra parti mot Karjakin! Imponerende. Jeg håper han kan klare å snu den negative trenden i langsjakk med et bra resultat i denne turneringen. Det blir spennende!

Aug-04-17
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  moronovich: God aften !

Bare en time til det går løs i St Luis.
Og sikke et parti Magnus diskede op med i går!.Det føltes som den "goe gamle" Carlsen.(Min egen teori er at hans nye kærlighedsliv har kostet på skakkontoen).

Jeg håber du finder din mojo igen efter ferien.Men jeg genkender,at det kan være svært efter gå-sakte-modus,som jeg i øvrigt holder meget af.Skulle ideelt set være sådan hele året :)

Med ønsket om en go tur til St Luis og en fin weekend !

Aug-04-17
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  thegoodanarchist: Thank you <Bureaucrat> for two excellent posts in my forum.

I will respect them by putting some thought into them, before I reply.

Aug-05-17
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  thegoodanarchist: My response to this post:

thegoodanarchist chessforum (kibitz #341)

is this:

<Bureaucrat:

... my assumption has been that human rights have no meaning without the existence of states and governments.>

I disagree that human rights have no meaning without the existence of government. This is because rights are not derived from the existence of government.

I strongly agree with the USA Founding Fathers (FFs):

<We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their <<<<<Creator>>>>> with certain unalienable Rights,>

Yes, EXACTLY! This TRUTH is/should be self-evident. Rights are endowed by our creator, not our creation (government).

<Bureaucrat:

I have always thought of the existence of human rights as dependent on the existence of <states>.>

I agree that the existence of <states> plays a key role in human rights. What role? Not to create our rights, mind you, but to *defend* them from violation.

Again from our FFs:

<...to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...>

Again, exactly right! Thank you, Thomas Jefferson! What a true American hero!

The main purpose of government is to defend the rights of its citizens, which already existed before creation of the government itself.

Response is also in my forum here:

thegoodanarchist chessforum (kibitz #350)

Aug-05-17
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  thegoodanarchist: <Aug-04-17 Bureaucrat: (continued)>

I have edited your continuation for clarity in my response. I also have two parts.

Part 1:

<Bureaucrat:

<tga: I can be alone on a tropical island. Free to speak my mind... I don't need government to *provide* that.>

True. But you are also free to collect food, cultivate crops... (i.e. the equivalent of economic rights)...

Do you think civil and political rights existed <before> the formation of modern states, while social and economic rights did not?>

No.

What you call economic rights, such as collecting food and water, cultivating crops, hunting animals, I consider subsistence. These activities are included in our inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

<Civilization and the rise of states curbed some (or most) people's economic and civic freedoms in return for "protection" by the state.>

This is another way of saying that, in order to live in harmony with other people, everyone has to make compromises. So freedom of speech does NOT include the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, for example.

<Thus, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly gained <value> (in comparison to your tropical island), because it would allow people to challenge the power of the state. That is why dictatorships always restrict freedom of speech.>

That is an interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing it.

<The Universal Declaration of Human rights emphasises the obligation of states (i.e. governments and state institutions) to protect human rights of citizens.>

So far all of the rights we have discussed are exercised by the individual, with his or her own internal motive force. Free speech, freedom to collect food & water, etc.

<It includes healthcare, social security, and equality before the law as fundamental human rights>

Social security needs further clarification as to what you mean by it. Equality before the law is a self-evident right.

However, healthcare is unlike any of the others discussed so far.

What if NO ONE wanted to become a doctor or a dentist or a nurse?

Then how do you provide healthcare without compelling someone to become a doctor or a dentist or a nurse without depriving other people of their liberty?

<...alongside civil and political freedoms such as freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. You argue that some of those rights are not rights at all, but <services> proviced for the citizens.>

Correct.

<However, when services are <necessary> in order to protect the rights of the citizens, I don't see how useful or important that distinction is.>

Really? You don't? To me it is THE MOST USEFUL distinction.

Once healthcare is declared a right, then the government is compelled to provide national health care. It no longer becomes debatable politically.

That means all citizens are suddenly faced with the financial burden of providing universal healthcare, without any say in the matter! The entire issue is removed from discussion, and the political will of one group becomes utterly victorious and is imposed (without recourse) on all political opposition, who are utterly defeated on the issue.

But my money is the same as my time, which is limited. I get income from selling my time, along with my skills, to an employer. So a portion of my limited time on this earth is then converted to limited money, which I can use for my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

And that is the situation until socialism wins on an issue, and declares healthcare (for example) a right, and my time/money is confiscated by a fascist state without my consent nor representation, because it is a "right" and so even my elected representatives cannot oppose it!

Aug-05-17
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  thegoodanarchist: Part 2:

<Bureaucrat:

<tga:...

For you to think that the time and efforts of OTHER PEOPLE exist for YOU to help yourself to, at your whim, IS FASCISM.>

Wow! That's some statement. Isn't that exactly what government services are for, to employ people whose job it is to provide services for anyone entitled to receive those services? If society decides that it's the people's right to have access to free healthcare (in the meaning, paid for through taxes and run by the state)..., it's not like the doctors are free to decide whether to do their job or not. They will have an obligation to treat anyone in need of treatment.>

Yes, of course! And this is EXACLTY why our USA FFs created a constitution, with a Bill of Rights, and a very specific process for amending the Constitution. And, I will add, a small government frame work in understanding of these very issues.

To have the government in the first place, you have to have some intrusion in the lives of private citizens, but amending the Constitution was made difficult to ensure that government did not run amok in making every little thing into a "right".

And so I ask you, who the hell are the people who wrote the <Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 25:>

I didn't vote for them. They don't run America. Who the hell are they to tell me how *they* will spend my time/money? Especially without going through the legal process of amending the LAWS of MY country, as agreed upon by the founders of the country?

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