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Dec-26-17
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: Thanks, <Penguincw>. Happy Holidays to my favorite penguin. |
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Jan-07-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: The perpetrators of the Climate Change Hoax are so devilishly clever, they have fooled animals and plants into changing their ranges and breeding times in response to the nonexistent changes in their surroundings that have not occurred over the years. https://ensia.com/features/natural-... |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Big Pawn: <The perpetrators of the Climate Change...> It used to be Global Warming, but then, when there was no warming, the switched it to climate change, which is meaningless because the climate, along with everything else under the sun, changes constantly. Speaking of science, science is supposed to be a more reliable way to discover facts about matter. But it does have anything to do with how we reason concerning those facts. That is entirely different. How we reason, draw inferences, use logic and so forth, that is not science at all. So when a guy with white lab coat gets on TV and says something, even about science, we should not put more faith into what he says that is warranted. But people think that just because they see the lab coat, and just because the conversation stars off with science, it all must be true. But it's not. There comes a point when the scientist is still talking but it's not science. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | saffuna: <...when there was no warming,> 2014, 2015 and 2016 were the three warmest years ever recorded. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | diceman: <saffuna: <...when there was no warming,> 2014, 2015 and 2016 were the three warmest years ever recorded.> Under Obama??@#$%?
Say it ain't so!!!
At least Soros made out like a stuck pig, shorting coal.
(having Obama as a climate puppet is fantastic)
Soros went back in at the Trump bottom! |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <BP>--"Climate Change" was a term invented by the GW Bush administration to make "Global Warming" sound less threatening and avoid signing the Kyoto Protocol, which was trying to do something about Global Warming. <Speaking of science, science is supposed to be...> You like to sit back and quibble about what this is supposed to be and what that is supposed to mean, but you never offer anything of substance. I notice you had nothing to say that disputes the facts and logic of the article I cited. Honestly, aren't you just marking time here before you ascend to Heaven? |
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Jan-08-18
 | | diceman: <Gregor Samsa Mendel:
but you never offer anything of substance.> BP, will you please supply climate data
and climate damage data 30 years from now, so GSM can have his "substance." As you fawn over 30 year computer models, GSM. I wonder what you've missed in the "substance" of a multi trillion dollar "Great Society"
where civil rights leaders watch the minority die? Where healthcare champions watch it implode under Obamacare? All the "substance" one would need exists right here in 2018. As you yap, yap, yap, about "climate change."
I'm a government is benevolent denier.
I'm a government is competent denier.
I'm a government is honest denier.
I'm a government isn't greedy and power hungry denier. What is climate change/global warming?
Doesn't matter if power hungry liars and frauds are put in charge of it. As Ive said before, balanced budgets exist.
Doesn't mean we're getting one anytime soon. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <diceman>--Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody, (roads, schools, a social safety net) regardless of whether they can afford "fair market" value. If you don't like that, you should move to a place where there is no government. <What is climate change/global warming?Doesn't matter if power hungry liars and frauds are put in charge of it.> Without any meaningful regulation, the future of Earth's climate is being determined by influential private interests concerned with short-term profits over all else--"power-hungry liars and frauds," as you put it. The same people who tried to convince us that cigarettes weren't addictive or didn't cause cancer were hired by global warming deniers to try and confuse the issue with climate change. As <BP> tried to say (but failed), you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. That's why democracy works, albeit rather awkwardly at times. But there are some people who can be fooled all of the time. <BP> and <diceman> think I'm one of those fools, but I suspect otherwise. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Big Pawn: <Gregor Samsa Mendel: <diceman>--Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody, (roads, schools, a social safety net) regardless of whether they can afford "fair market" value. If you don't like that, you should move to a place where there is no government.> America is a republic rather than a pure democracy. James Madison warned against a pure democracy. <what should be provided to everybody, (roads, schools, a social safety net)> Government is supposed to provide protection from invaders and would be conquerors, and to ensure that contracts are honored domestically and that law and order prevail. The idea that the gov't needs to "provide stuff" to people is not true. That would be to presuppose a liberal worldview. <The same people who tried to convince us that cigarettes weren't addictive or didn't cause cancer were hired by global warming deniers to try and confuse the issue with climate change.> Empty rhetoric. Try again. Better yet, why don't you disclose who these people are. Thanks. I'll wait. Remember, it changed from Global Warming to Climate Change when there was no warming. This is why the libs call it climate change. We all know that the libs don't call it climate change because they are trying to follow in the footsteps of GWB. heh, heh |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <<The same people who tried to convince us that cigarettes weren't addictive or didn't cause cancer were hired by global warming deniers to try and confuse the issue with climate change.> Empty rhetoric. Try again. Better yet, why don't you disclose who these people are. Thanks. I'll wait.> https://www.scientificamerican.com/... <Government is supposed to provide protection from invaders and would be conquerors, and to ensure that contracts are honored domestically and that law and order prevail.> There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Big Pawn: <gsm: There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.> Just FYI, I think it's cute when you try to sound profound. < Gregor Samsa Mendel: <<The same people who tried to convince us that cigarettes weren't addictive or didn't cause cancer were hired by global warming deniers to try and confuse the issue with climate change.>Empty rhetoric. Try again. Better yet, why don't you disclose who these people are. Thanks. I'll wait.> https://www.scientificamerican.com/... No response.
Look, if you want to discuss this with me, then you need to be serious. If you don't care then fine, I will be on my way. I understand. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <BP>--Here's another non-response: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merch... <Just FYI, I think it's cute when you try to sound profound.> It's definitely not profound when you try to sound cute. At least I get my quotes right. Now go on your way. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | saffuna: Pay attention <gsm> , <big pawn> sets the rules here on his forum. |
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Jan-08-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <BP>--I deleted your post because it only insulted me and didn't add anything to the debate. I believe that you have deleted my posts to your forum in the past, and gave similar reasons. |
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Jan-09-18
 | | saffuna: Delete mine, then. |
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Jan-09-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <saffuna: Delete mine, then.> Naah, you're cool. You didn't insult me. |
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Jan-09-18
 | | OhioChessFan: <Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody> Says who? So easily you say that without considering or citing the philosophical underpinnings of democracy. I will also add that any time a liberal starts talking about what "should" happen, I reach for my wallet and hold on tight, because I know they're coming to take money from me to pay for what they insist "should" happen. |
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Jan-09-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <OCF>--When a conservative like you starts talking about philosophical underpinnings of democracy, they tend to reflexively reach for their wallets at the same time. Of course, they still allow their wallets to receive social security checks. |
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Jan-09-18
 | | diceman: <Gregor Samsa Mendel:
<diceman>--Like it or not> Now we're getting somewhere!
Once we get past your limited understanding of government,
the wanton slaughter/destruction of the minority has a "like" option. Who Knew????
<The same people who tried to convince us that cigarettes weren't addictive> Awwwww, isn't that sweet?
As GSM pats himself on the back for
saving us from cigarettes.
(which could take you into your
50s, 60s, 70s)
He ends life in the inner-city in your 20s, with the "addiction" of the hand-out. Nice!
...and all he'd like to do is expand it.
<convince us that cigarettes weren't addictive> Too bad he didn't mention, "for profit."
So I could focus on GSM's politicians.
Doubtful Obama would stomp his people
for minimum wage, but wave millions and
mansions under his nose and you
got a Toyota.
<Of course, they still allow their wallets to receive social security checks.> Yes GSM, the inability of your church/
house of worship, to ever be wrong,
guarantees we will always have "Social
Security."
Even after all the money runs out.
Of course, eligibility will be 92 years
old, and your check will be 38 cents.
Obamacare Death Panels with suffer
the growing pains of implementation
by Government incompetents.
No wonder, no one will fear "climate" anymore. |
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Jan-09-18
 | | OhioChessFan: <GSM: Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody> <OCF: Says who? So easily you say that without considering or citing the philosophical underpinnings of democracy. I will also add that any time a liberal starts talking about what "should" happen, I reach for my wallet and hold on tight, because I know they're coming to take money from me to pay for what they insist "should" happen. > <GSM: When a conservative like you starts talking about philosophical underpinnings of democracy, they tend to reflexively reach for their wallets at the same time. Of course, they still allow their wallets to receive social security checks.> I'm sure that's very interesting, but the question I asked was "Says who?". |
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Jan-09-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <diceman>--Quite a tirade. Perhaps I hit a nerve. The poor and powerless don't have money on their side to induce elected representatives to look after their interests, but they do have numbers. I have no problem allowing those with numbers and without power to use their votes as influence, counteracting the influence of those who will use their wealth to bend the rules of society in their favor. I think those who have benefited from society should give back a little of what they have received (or taken) from it, in order to promote the general welfare. The Founding Fathers considered "pursuit of happiness" to be an inalienable right--how can one pursue happiness if they don't have access to minimal housing or medical care? Government may not always be efficient, but it's supposed to answer to the people--private companies are answerable only to their shareholders, even if shareholders' interests run counter to those of the rest of society. <OCF--Says who?>--in a representative democracy, usually people go along with the will of the majority, as long as nothing illegal happens or no violation of rights occurs. But I see conservatives who don't like demographic trends reacting in ways to subvert majority rule. (Getting voter ID is free! Who cares if we make certain groups jump through a few more hoops, or drive a few more miles, to get it?) In the long run, though, I think trying to stop the changes taking place here will be like trying to hold back a tsunami with just your white, wrinkled fingers. I'm not sure why you care so much--don't you think the Second Coming will save you from these gays and ethnics within your lifetime? |
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Jan-09-18
 | | OhioChessFan: <OCF--Says who?> <GSM: --in a representative democracy, usually people go along with the will of the majority, as long as nothing illegal happens or no violation of rights occurs. But I see conservatives who don't like demographic trends reacting in ways to subvert majority rule. (Getting voter ID is free! Who cares if we make certain groups jump through a few more hoops, or drive a few more miles, to get it?) In the long run, though, I think trying to stop the changes taking place here will be like trying to hold back a tsunami with just your white, wrinkled fingers. I'm not sure why you care so much--don't you think the Second Coming will save you from these gays and ethnics within your lifetime?> I'm sure that's very interesting, but to refresh the context, you said: <Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody> And I have now asked for the third time:
<Says who?> |
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Jan-09-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: <Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody. Says who?>
I think that if that's what the majority of voters wants, it's fine with me. I'd rather see people fight the unfettered greed of the privileged few with the ballot box instead of the cartridge box. History has shown that when the 1-percenters keep trying to bend the rules of society in their favor, revolution is the eventual result. Sorry if that opinion offends your philosophical underpinnings. Seriously--don't you think the Second Coming is likely within your lifetime, or not much later? |
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Jan-09-18
 | | OhioChessFan: <Like it or not, in a democracy the people without power use government to provide what should be provided to everybody.> <Says who?>
<I think that if that's what the majority of voters wants, it's fine with me.> I'm sure that's very interesting, but the question I asked was "Says who?" <Seriously--don't you think the Second Coming is likely within your lifetime, or not much later?> No idea. I don't much care. I think nothing going on in Israel today has any relevance per Scriptural prophecy. |
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Mar-10-18
 | | Gregor Samsa Mendel: Bunnies have been fooled by the fake news regarding climate change, and have stopped changing into their winter coats. http://www.newsweek.com/animals-sto... |
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