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Jonathan Sarfati
Member since Sep-27-06 · Last seen Jul-14-18
F.M., Ph.D. (physical chemistry), New Zealand Champion 1988, author of six books and co-author of three more. See also bio

I was club captain of the Wellington Chess Club in New Zealand and Logan City Chess Club in Queensland, Australia for over a decade each. I admire Capablanca and Karpov for the clarity and effectiveness of their styles.

I recognize only the "lineal" world champions as real ones, I.e. those who won their titles by winning a match with the incumbent where available, not the FIDE ones who won silly knock-out tournaments. This means Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine, Euwe, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Fischer, Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik, Anand, and Carlsen. Full Member

   Jonathan Sarfati has kibitzed 1602 times to chessgames   [less...]
   Jul-14-18 B Hague vs C Burns, 2013
Jonathan Sarfati: Maybe Black resigned because of 20. Nd5, but then 20... Qxc1.
   Jul-11-18 Joy Shu Yan Qin vs B Carpinter, 2016
Jonathan Sarfati: Two games a day is hard work even for non-seniors, so he has a point. In this game, Bernard was playing something different from what he played in his younger days, but played it well. The R lift to g6 was well done and White was in trouble.
   Jul-11-18 C Laird vs D Beach, 1979
Jonathan Sarfati: Is this score complete? Beach definitely won this game, but IIRC it was a crucial last round game to decide a major prize, and Laird was the defending NZ champion and it was Beach's first championship. It's more likely that Laird would have made Beach work hard for the ...
   Jul-11-18 B Finegold vs M Esserman, 2012
Jonathan Sarfati: Because Morra-lover Esserman was Black and Morra-hater Finegold was White! Apparently he has been victorious as White in the Morra when Finegold played his claimed refutation. See the Amazon review of Mayhem in the Morra by "kamus".
   Jul-11-18 R Quesada Sr vs Prins, 1952
Jonathan Sarfati: Hard to believe that Evans was acting in good faith when he was a participant in the same tournament.
   Jun-25-18 Neil McKelvie
Jonathan Sarfati: Would be good to add this game:
   Jun-22-18 Fischer vs V Kovacevic, 1970
Jonathan Sarfati: <Then he shook the young opponent’s hand, said ‘Very good,’ signed the score sheet, and left.> Kovačević was born a year before Fischer.
   Jun-14-18 Jonathan D Sarfati
Jonathan Sarfati: <Jambow:> I think you have misunderstood the meaning of "days of Peleg"—see
   Jun-06-18 Peter Morten
Jonathan Sarfati: Belated condolences :(
   May-03-18 R L Perry vs Alphaeus Wei Ern Ang, 2016
Jonathan Sarfati: A good win by the late veteran. I don't know why his opponent played on for so long, but the earlier middlegame with opposite coloured bishops had some interesting points.
   May-03-18 Roger L Perry
   Apr-25-18 Jose Raul Capablanca (replies)
   Apr-19-18 twinlark chessforum (replies)
   Apr-19-18 A Smirnov vs Macieja, 2018
   Apr-17-18 Caruana vs Carlsen, 2018 (replies)
   Apr-17-18 visayanbraindoctor chessforum (replies)
   Apr-05-18 Csom vs Y Afek, 1994
   Apr-05-18 Y Afek vs M Kotliar, 1986
   Apr-03-18 G Meier vs Caruana, 2018 (replies)
   Mar-29-18 V Winz vs M Czerniak, 1939 (replies)
   Mar-29-18 Ehlvest vs Illescas Cordoba, 1991
   Mar-29-18 Schlechter vs J Perlis, 1911 (replies)
   Mar-16-18 Aronian vs Kramnik, 2018 (replies)
   Feb-19-18 H Ree vs Ftacnik, 1978
   Feb-18-18 L Lengyel vs Kotov, 1968
   Feb-01-18 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
   Feb-01-18 Terry Shen vs T Dowden, 2015
   Feb-01-18 Tony Dowden
   Jan-30-18 D Smerdon vs Arkell, 2012
   Jan-30-18 P Wang vs D Smerdon, 2009
   Jan-30-18 Carlsen vs Zhao Zong-Yuan, 2007 (replies)
   Jan-28-18 Carlsen vs A Giri, 2018 (replies)
   Jan-27-18 Botvinnik vs Smyslov, 1965
   Jan-24-18 J Esser vs J Barton, 1911
   Jan-23-18 Hort vs Gligoric, 1971 (replies)
   Jan-18-18 N H Hopewell vs T Dowden, 1980
   Jan-18-18 L McLaren vs A Ismail, 2017
   Jan-11-18 M Illingworth vs A H Abdulgalil Saleh, 2017
   Jan-09-18 Stanley Yee
   Jan-01-18 Keene vs Nunn, 1970 (replies)
   Dec-30-17 Carlsen vs E Inarkiev, 2017 (replies)
   Dec-29-17 Capablanca vs Ragozin, 1935
   Dec-29-17 Moscow (1936) (replies)
   Dec-28-17 Botvinnik vs Flohr, 1933
   Dec-27-17 Carlsen vs Anand, 2017 (replies)
   Dec-27-17 Carlsen vs Wang Yue, 2017 (replies)
   Dec-22-17 A F Ker vs Spassky, 1988
   Dec-20-17 O Sarapu vs P W Stuart, 1979
   Dec-20-17 P W Stuart vs D Gollogly, 1980
   Dec-20-17 P W Stuart vs D Gollogly, 1982
   Dec-20-17 Peter Wykeham Stuart (replies)
   Dec-05-17 M F Noble vs A F Ker, 1994
   Dec-04-17 Ponomariov vs Granda Zuniga, 2007
   Dec-04-17 de Firmian vs Granda Zuniga, 1996
   Dec-04-17 Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985
   Dec-04-17 A Giri vs Granda Zuniga, 2017
   Dec-04-17 Granda Zuniga vs Kamsky, 1996
   Dec-04-17 I Polovodin vs Glek, 1987 (replies)
   Dec-01-17 Euwe vs Bogoljubov, 1934
   Dec-01-17 Alekhine vs O Bernstein, 1934
   Nov-27-17 Reuben Fine (replies)
   Nov-27-17 Jonathan Sarfati chessforum (replies)
   Nov-20-17 Reti vs Spielmann, 1928 (replies)
   Nov-20-17 Alekhine vs Nimzowitsch, 1930
   Nov-18-17 Julio Ernesto Granda Zuniga (replies)
   Nov-09-17 Richard Taylor chessforum (replies)
   Nov-05-17 Andrei Sokolov
   Nov-04-17 Karpov vs H Hamdouchi, 2005
   Oct-31-17 Fischer vs Benko, 1963 (replies)
   Oct-31-17 A Carpinter vs K W Lynn, 1976
   Oct-26-17 Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 (replies)
   Oct-26-17 V M Mikhalevski vs J Reeve, 2009
   Oct-25-17 Marshall vs Capablanca, 1927 (replies)
   Oct-25-17 Marshall vs Capablanca, 1909
   Oct-25-17 Marshall vs Capablanca, 1927
   Oct-24-17 K W Lynn vs G Marner, 1999
   Oct-24-17 K W Lynn vs R Taylor, 2014
   Oct-24-17 R W Smith vs P W Stuart, 1992
   Oct-23-17 Chandler vs Plaskett, 1987
   Oct-22-17 P Garbett vs R W Smith, 1978
   Oct-22-17 Brian R Foster
   Oct-22-17 K W Lynn vs P Clemance, 1976
   Oct-22-17 B R Anderson vs P Clemance, 1978
   Oct-22-17 R W Smith vs P W Stuart, 1978 (replies)
   Oct-22-17 E M Green vs R W Smith, 2000
   Oct-22-17 L Aptekar vs Mark Evans, 1980
   Oct-21-17 J Bruce Kay vs R J Sutton, 1963
   Oct-21-17 M P Schwass vs M K Morrison, 1982
   Oct-21-17 J Sarfati vs Spassky, 1988 (replies)
   Oct-21-17 Castellvi vs Vinyoles, 1475 (replies)
   Oct-21-17 James Rodney Phillips
   Oct-21-17 D Lynch vs C P Belton, 1938
   Sep-29-17 S Manotas vs H Van Riemsdijk, 2001
   Sep-28-17 J Cooper vs Huebner, 1978
   Sep-20-17 A Muzychuk vs S Brunello, 2014 (replies)
   Sep-15-17 NN vs R Crepeaux, 1923 (replies)
   Sep-13-17 Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2017
   Sep-13-17 J Klinger vs Melanie Asal, 2002
   Sep-12-17 Lasker vs Schlechter, 1910
   Sep-11-17 M Matlakov vs Aronian, 2017 (replies)
   Sep-10-17 Aronian vs M Matlakov, 2017
   Sep-10-17 Benzol chessforum (replies)
   Sep-10-17 Carlsen vs Bu Xiangzhi, 2017 (replies)
   Sep-05-17 Y Porat vs Larsen, 1956
   Sep-03-17 Gelfand vs K Stupak, 2017 (replies)
   Aug-11-17 Szen vs Von Der Lasa, 1839
   Aug-11-17 Pinter vs Razuvaev, 1982 (replies)
   Aug-11-17 Ljubojevic vs Portisch, 1982
   Jul-31-17 Em. Lasker / Maroczy
   Jul-31-17 Laszlo Hazai
   Jul-31-17 Bela Perenyi
   Jul-25-17 Alekhine vs Milner-Barry, 1923
   Jul-25-17 J Pokojowczyk vs Ivkov, 1971
   Jul-24-17 D Smerdon vs J Sarfati, 1998
   Jul-23-17 Mayet vs Harrwitz, 1847
   Jul-23-17 Mayet vs Harrwitz, 1848 (replies)
   Jul-23-17 Euwe vs J van den Bosch, 1934
   Jul-23-17 Keres vs A Dueckstein, 1968
   Jul-22-17 Gufeld vs A J Love, 1986
   Jul-22-17 A M Borren
   Jul-20-17 A Novopashin vs Spassky, 1963
   Jul-18-17 Borbely vs Kovacs, 1948 (replies)
   Jul-11-17 Tom Lepviikmann
   Jul-06-17 O Sarapu vs D Lynch, 1954
   Jul-06-17 O Sarapu vs D Lynch, 1953
   Jul-06-17 O Sarapu vs D Lynch, 1955
   Jul-06-17 O Sarapu vs D Lynch, 1963
   Jul-05-17 A H Douglas vs O Sarapu, 1953
   Jul-05-17 A H Douglas vs O Sarapu, 1954
   Jul-05-17 Alec H Douglas
   Jul-05-17 D Lynch vs O Sarapu, 1952
   Jul-05-17 A Fletcher vs O Sarapu, 1952
   Jul-05-17 O Sarapu vs C P Belton, 1952
   Jul-05-17 V Lushkott vs O Sarapu, 1952
   Jul-04-17 S Grainger vs E Frost, 1992
   Jul-04-17 A Feneridis vs O Sarapu, 1973
   Jul-03-17 O Sarapu vs A Feneridis, 1969
   Jul-03-17 A Kuligowski vs O Sarapu, 1982
   Jul-03-17 Alekhine vs A Fletcher, 1928 (replies)
   Jul-03-17 A Feneridis vs J R Phillips, 1957
   Jul-03-17 O Sarapu vs H McNabb, 1954
   Jul-03-17 A F Ker vs M Steadman, 2014
   Jul-03-17 P Wang vs P Garbett, 2014
   Jul-03-17 A F Ker vs P Wang, 2003
   Jul-03-17 A F Ker vs M McNabb, 2000
   Jul-02-17 S Lukey vs D K Johansen, 2008
   Jul-02-17 S Lukey vs J P Wallace, 2001
   Jul-02-17 Jon R Jackson
   Jul-02-17 T Dowden vs B R Watson, 2008
   Jul-02-17 R F Cuthbert vs O Sarapu, 1962
   Jul-02-17 R F Cuthbert vs A Feneridis, 1961 (replies)
   Jul-02-17 L Aptekar vs A Feneridis, 1979
   Jul-02-17 R A Court vs A Feneridis, 1960
   Jul-02-17 A Feneridis vs O Sarapu, 1960
   Jul-02-17 Robert A Rasa
   Jul-02-17 C B Oldridge
   Jul-02-17 M P Schwass vs C B Oldridge, 1981 (replies)
   Jul-02-17 O Sarapu vs L Esterman, 1952
   Jul-02-17 Charles Patrick Belton
   Jul-02-17 L Esterman vs O Sarapu, 1963
   Jul-02-17 C Rose vs O Sarapu, 1952
   Jul-01-17 Keres vs Capablanca, 1939
   Jul-01-17 O Sarapu vs A Fletcher, 1953
   Jul-01-17 Robert O Scott
   Jul-01-17 J D Steele
   Jul-01-17 A E Turner vs O Sarapu, 1955
   Jul-01-17 Howard Percival Whitlock
   May-31-17 Gligoric vs A Lukic, 1955
   May-30-17 Gunsberg vs Capablanca, 1914
   May-05-17 Janowski vs Maroczy, 1899
   May-05-17 Janowski vs Pillsbury, 1899
   May-05-17 Tarrasch vs E Thorold, 1890
   May-01-17 B Hague vs P Chan, 2012
   Apr-30-17 O Sarapu vs Purdy, 1952
   Apr-25-17 Edward Tennenwurzel (replies)
   Apr-25-17 Kupchik vs Capablanca, 1918
   Apr-25-17 Capablanca vs O Chajes, 1915
   Apr-25-17 Capablanca vs A Hodges, 1916
   Apr-25-17 Capablanca vs O Chajes, 1916
   Apr-23-17 M Mchedlishvili vs M Parligras, 2015 (replies)
   Apr-07-17 Arianne Caoili (replies)
   Apr-07-17 J Sarfati vs A Caoili, 1999
   Mar-30-17 R Taylor vs P Morten, 2017 (replies)
   Mar-29-17 Francesco di Castellvi
   Mar-29-17 Narciso Vinyoles
   Mar-23-17 A Boswell vs Wayne Boswell, 1986 (replies)
   Mar-23-17 Anthony J Boswell
   Mar-19-17 Reshevsky vs W Adams, 1940
   Mar-18-17 Najdorf vs Yanofsky, 1946
   Mar-18-17 Yanofsky vs Charles Smith, 1938
   Mar-15-17 Prince Vetharaniam (replies)
   Mar-15-17 K Wong vs G A Hoskyn, 1995
   Mar-15-17 Vivian Smith (replies)
   Mar-15-17 Gordon Allen Hoskyn
   Feb-12-17 optimal play chessforum (replies)
   Feb-11-17 O Sarapu vs S Ramankumar, 1999
   Jan-27-17 Hector vs Short, 1983 (replies)
   Jan-24-17 Malcolm L Pyke
   Jan-20-17 Kenneth S Rogoff (replies)
   Dec-30-16 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
   Dec-22-16 David Vincent Hooper (replies)
   Dec-18-16 F Foster vs B Marsick, 1978
   Dec-18-16 J Sarfati vs F Foster, 1984
   Dec-18-16 K W Lynn vs R Waayman, 1970
   Dec-18-16 Averbakh vs K W Lynn, 1967
   Dec-17-16 Capablanca vs E G Sergeant, 1929
   Dec-06-16 OhioChessFan chessforum (replies)
   Dec-03-16 Taimanov vs Bronstein, 1958
   Dec-03-16 Reshevsky vs Bronstein, 1953
   Dec-03-16 Taimanov vs Bronstein, 1975
   Dec-03-16 Taimanov vs Geller, 1953
   Dec-03-16 Taimanov vs Bronstein, 1952
   Dec-03-16 Unzicker vs Taimanov, 1952
   Dec-03-16 Taimanov vs Lisitsin, 1949 (replies)
   Dec-03-16 Taimanov vs P Trifunovic, 1957
   Oct-26-16 Ivanchuk vs Karpov, 1994 (replies)
   Oct-25-16 Fedorowicz vs Alburt, 1988
   Oct-12-16 Short vs S Wastney, 2005
   Oct-12-16 John Sutherland (replies)
   Oct-03-16 Netway Masters (1992)
   Oct-03-16 J Sarfati vs O Sarapu, 1992
   Oct-03-16 B Martin vs M P Dreyer, 1992
   Oct-03-16 Benjamin Martin
   Sep-28-16 Moulthun Ly
   Sep-27-16 V Small vs Chandler, 1977
   Sep-22-16 E Torre vs M Ly, 2016 (replies)
   Sep-20-16 Marshall vs Teichmann, 1904
   Aug-25-16 A F Ker vs J Sarfati, 1985 (replies)
   Aug-25-16 J Sarfati vs R W Smith, 1984
   Aug-25-16 B R Anderson vs J Sarfati, 1984
   Aug-25-16 G Marner vs J Sarfati, 1984
   Aug-25-16 R Taylor vs M Le Brocq, 2006 (replies)
   Aug-23-16 J Wilson vs A Boshra, 2010
   Aug-23-16 Toldsepp vs Keres, 1934 (replies)
   Aug-23-16 B Nadj Hedjesi vs O Pardic, 2011
   Aug-06-16 Z Frankel vs R A Court, 1964
   Aug-04-16 Spassky vs Kholmov, 1973 (replies)
   Aug-04-16 Spassky vs Kholmov, 1964 (replies)
   Jul-13-16 P Morten vs R S Mitchell, 2004
   Jul-13-16 A F Ker vs R S Mitchell, 2011
   Jul-13-16 Robert Stronach Mitchell (replies)
   Jun-29-16 Botvinnik vs Euwe, 1963 (replies)
   Jun-28-16 Taimanov vs Botvinnik, 1963
   Jun-27-16 Euwe vs W J Muhring, 1947 (replies)
   Jun-27-16 Gligoric vs Euwe, 1960
   Jun-15-16 Fine vs Euwe, 1938 (replies)
   Jun-01-16 Euwe vs O'Kelly, 1939
   Jun-01-16 O'Kelly vs J H Donner, 1951
   May-31-16 J Edwards vs A Caoili, 1999
   May-27-16 Tartakower vs J Enevoldsen, 1939
   May-26-16 Botvinnik vs Smyslov, 1957 (replies)
   May-26-16 Wolfgang Heidenfeld (replies)
   May-26-16 W Heidenfeld vs Euwe, 1955
   May-22-16 Maroczy vs Teichmann, 1905
   May-06-16 J Sarfati vs P Frost, 2003
   May-05-16 Stanley Jebb
   May-05-16 Van der Wiel vs J Sarfati, 1992 (replies)
   May-05-16 E Frost vs J Sarfati, 1980
   May-05-16 J Sarfati vs R J Dive, 1986
   May-05-16 J Sarfati vs A F Ker, 1985
   May-05-16 S Danailov vs Kasparov, 1980 (replies)
   Apr-16-16 I Rabinovich vs Botvinnik, 1937
   Apr-11-16 E Lowe vs H Kennedy, 1849
   Apr-11-16 Nimzowitsch vs Salwe, 1911 (replies)
   Apr-07-16 Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927 (replies)
   Apr-05-16 C H Alexander vs Reshevsky, 1936 (replies)
   Apr-05-16 Bronstein vs C H Alexander, 1954 (replies)
   Feb-25-16 R L Perry vs T van Dijk, 1978
   Feb-25-16 Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2015
   Feb-25-16 G Marco vs Maroczy, 1899 (replies)
   Feb-25-16 H Suechting vs Marshall, 1902 (replies)
   Feb-22-16 Marshall vs Levenfish, 1925
   Feb-22-16 Marshall vs Levenfish, 1911
   Feb-21-16 Grigory Levenfish (replies)
   Feb-12-16 Carlsen vs Ulf Andersson, 2006 (replies)
   Feb-07-16 T Thorhallsson vs Flear, 1987
   Feb-06-16 Alexander Alekhine (replies)
   Jan-27-16 Saint Amant vs Staunton, 1843 (replies)
   Jan-26-16 Karpov vs Ulf Andersson, 1969 (replies)
   Jan-26-16 Karpov vs Korchnoi, 2006
   Jan-26-16 Capablanca - Alekhine World Championship Match (1927) (replies)
   Jan-25-16 Alapin vs Tarrasch, 1898 (replies)
   Jan-24-16 Janowski vs Alapin, 1905 (replies)
   Jan-21-16 M Matlakov vs Kramnik, 2015 (replies)
   Jan-21-16 Keres vs D Byrne, 1972 (replies)
   Jan-19-16 E Schultz vs Alekhine, 1914 (replies)
   Jan-19-16 Alekhine vs Nenarokov, 1918
   Jan-12-16 Arinbjorn Gudmundsson (replies)
   Jan-11-16 Keres vs Foltys, 1943 (replies)
   Jan-11-16 Paul Keres (replies)
   Jan-03-16 Capablanca vs Marshall, 1927 (replies)
   Jan-03-16 Alexey Sergeevich Selezniev (replies)
   Jan-03-16 New York (1924) (replies)
   Jan-01-16 Botvinnik vs Capablanca, 1936 (replies)
   Dec-26-15 Harry Nelson Pillsbury (replies)
   Dec-25-15 Capablanca vs Colle, 1930
   Dec-21-15 Vladimir Petrov vs Golombek, 1938
   Dec-11-15 A F Ker vs P W Stuart, 2013
   Dec-11-15 Eu Wen Aron Teh vs A F Ker, 2015
   Nov-23-15 Capablanca vs T van Scheltinga, 1939 (replies)
   Nov-18-15 Keene vs K Wockenfuss, 1977
   Nov-18-15 Smejkal vs L Bueno Perez, 1977
   Sep-30-15 Bronstein vs Reshevsky, 1973
   Sep-07-15 Reshevsky vs J Waxman, 1986 (replies)
   Sep-03-15 Reshevsky vs Geller, 1967
   Sep-03-15 Saemisch vs Nimzowitsch, 1923 (replies)
   Sep-03-15 V Small vs Panno, 1988
   Sep-03-15 Keres vs Panno, 1955 (replies)
   Aug-26-15 Tarrasch vs Allies, 1914 (replies)
   Aug-25-15 T Kasparova vs S Kasparov, 2010
   Jul-13-15 J Sarfati vs J P Wallace, 1992
   Jul-13-15 S MacLeod vs J Sarfati, 1996
   Jul-08-15 Stoltz vs Kashdan, 1937
   Jun-01-15 Mihaela Sandu (replies)
   May-21-15 Korchnoi vs Kasparov, 1983 (replies)
   Apr-23-15 Leonard J McLaren
   Apr-13-15 Euwe vs G Abrahams, 1939 (replies)
   Apr-13-15 Euwe vs G Abrahams, 1946
   Apr-13-15 Yochanan Afek (replies)
   Mar-17-15 M Basman vs J C Hawksworth, 1990
   Mar-16-15 J Lechtynsky vs J Kubicek, 1968
   Mar-06-15 V Tukmakov vs Petrosian, 1973
   Jan-30-15 Kevin Casey
   Oct-22-14 Vladimir Smirnov
   Oct-16-14 Bretislav Modr
   Oct-05-14 J Bruce Kay (replies)
   Sep-17-14 Peter Dely
   Aug-13-14 Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1994 (replies)
   Aug-11-14 Martin Paul Dreyer (replies)
   Aug-08-14 D Smerdon vs Aronian, 2014 (replies)
   Jul-15-14 Jozsef Horvath (replies)
   Jun-21-14 Larsen vs Petrosian, 1966 (replies)
   Jun-19-14 scormus chessforum (replies)
   Jun-19-14 Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858 (replies)
   Jun-19-14 Moshe Czerniak (replies)
   Jun-19-14 Tarrasch vs Showalter, 1898 (replies)
   Jun-18-14 G A Thomas vs E G Sergeant, 1927
   Jun-17-14 E Eliskases vs Keres, 1937 (replies)
   Jun-15-14 Wade vs Uhlmann, 1968
   Jun-13-14 J Sarfati vs A J Love, 1992
   Jun-12-14 Korchnoi vs Reshevsky, 1968 (replies)
   Jun-12-14 Spassky vs M Bieler, 2009 (replies)
   Jun-12-14 J W te Kolste vs Reti, 1925
   Jun-06-14 P D Hawkes vs Z Frankel, 1979
   Jun-06-14 J Lichter vs B Carpinter, 1976
   Jun-06-14 T Spiller vs B Carpinter, 1979
   Jun-06-14 Z Frankel vs T Spiller, 1979
   May-31-14 Kashdan vs Kotov, 1946 (replies)
   May-31-14 Bondarevsky vs H Steiner, 1945
   May-31-14 Bronstein vs Santasiere, 1945
   May-31-14 Kashdan vs I A Horowitz, 1936 (replies)
   May-31-14 Kotov vs Kashdan, 1945
   May-31-14 Kashdan vs Kotov, 1945
   May-30-14 Fine vs Boleslavsky, 1945 (replies)
   May-07-14 A Feneridis vs E Frost, 1968
   May-07-14 George E Trundle (replies)
   May-05-14 Raymond Song
   May-05-14 R Song vs N Croad, 2006
   May-05-14 T Eden vs N Croad, 2012
   May-05-14 R J Dive vs G Spain, 2003
   May-05-14 N Croad vs R J Dive, 2009
   May-05-14 Mark Van der Hoorn vs M K A Russell, 2013
   May-05-14 L R Jackson vs Michael Turner, 2005
   May-05-14 Ashley Koia
   May-05-14 G den Broeder vs W Wegener, 1982 (replies)
   May-05-14 H Bennett vs J Sarfati, 1995
   Mar-31-14 K Casey vs J Sarfati, 1999
   Mar-31-14 I Chelushkina vs A Caoili, 2006 (replies)
   Mar-30-14 M Vincent vs D Cooper, 1995
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  OhioChessFan: Sorry to attribute that to you <saff>
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  Jonathan Sarfati: <Big Pawn:> John Lennox's masterpiece, "Seven Days that Divide the World", has opened many people to the fact of long creation days. Now we present Dr Lennox's long-awaited sequel, "Three Days that Divide the World". Be prepared as Dr Lennox applies his great insights from his previous book to these pressing questions. He shows that Jonah was really billions of years in the great sea creature, and Jesus really spent millions of years in His tomb. ;)
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  Big Pawn: <JS>, do you think that Lennox would agree that the context of these three examples, (creation, Jonah and the NT) is the same, so that a fair comparison is being made?

I enjoyed reading your article on that you linked to above. However, Craig makes clear that he is agnostic about the true age of the universe, although he does tend toward the billions years old universe in his arguments, but then again, he's arguing from natural theology and using mainstream science to prove that the universe had a beginning, contrary to what atheists used to claim. They don't like answering for a universe with a beginning because of the strong theistic implications.

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  Benzol: Jonathan do you have any info about Tom Lepviikmann ? There isn't much here at this site.
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  Jonathan Sarfati: <Benzol:> You're certainly right. I will put something on his page from Ortvin Sarapu book. Any Kiwi champ deserves a decent mention.
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  Benzol: <Jonathan> Thanks matey.


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  visayanbraindoctor: Good morning <Jonathan Sarfati>. You might want to see my post in Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918

A part of me is glad that the Carlsen vs Bu Xiangzhi, 2017 has occurred. It gave chess pundits all over the world a gut-level perspective of the narcissistic generation syndrome debate, allowing them to concretely evaluate in real time the moves of a modern World Champion when faced with an unexpected Marshall type attack, and compare it with Capablanca's moves and performance when he had to face the same situation in 1918.

Current World Champion Carlsen crashed. On the other hand,

<Shajmaty: In 23 moves (between 14. ♕f3 and 36. ♗xf7+), Capablanca plays the best move (i.a.w. Stockfish) 21 times!>, and Capa ended up winning.

I do hope that this Watsonian nonsense meme of the best pre-WW2 chess masters being automatically weaker than today's current players (whose brains are touted to be developing computer levels of chess accuracy just because they were born in the 1980s and 90s and are active in the current era) is finally sunk in the sea of empirical evidence.

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  Jonathan Sarfati: G'day <visayanbraindoctor>. Yes, I think these two games are good evidence against Watsonism–Larsenism / narcissistic generation syndrome, and there are many more. Same with the old Alekhine > peak Keres and old Keres > peak Larsen you point out, and we could add 48yo Capa ~ 25yo Botvinnik and 50yo Botvinnik > peak Larsen.
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  Jonathan Sarfati: <visayanbraindoctor>, to reinforce that, Carlsen presumably had played through Capablanca's game at some time, while Capa had no predecessor to draw upon.
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  visayanbraindoctor: <Jonathan Sarfati> Capablanca had an uncanny ability to play novel openings (not variations but whole new opening STRUCTURES at the time the game was played) perfectly just as these openings were meant to be played positionally.


Sicilian Scheveningen

Lasker vs Capablanca, 1936

Modern Benoni

Capablanca vs Janowski, 1924

Alekhine vs Capablanca, 1927

Capablanca vs Marshall, 1927

(I think the Modern Benoni should be renamed into the Capablanca-Marshall)

Benko Gambit

Nimzowitsch vs Capablanca, 1914

Marshall Attack

Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918

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  visayanbraindoctor: <Jonathan Sarfati: <visayanbraindoctor>, to reinforce that, Carlsen presumably had played through Capablanca's game at some time, while Capa had no predecessor to draw upon.>

I know many kibitzers would rake me with flak but my gut feeling when following the games of current masters in the internet live is that Capablanca was definitely stronger than any of them. He had an unmatched ability for finding the best moves in critical positions, and at his best never committed a losing tactical error. He would be invincible in a match in any era in chess history. (Not to mention that with his extremely rapid play he would be the only player in history that I would give a more than 50% chance of winning the World Cup format every time he participated.) I've never seen anything like it.

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  beatgiant: <visayanbraindoctor> <whose brains are touted> In general, those who believe in the improvement of chess over history don't believe it comes from <brain physiology> but rather from <cultural development>.

What scientific studies there have been about chess seem to support the <chunking hypothesis>, which holds that chess mastery comes from having a big repertoire of chess patterns. This does not require an increase in brain capacity.

Here's a typical citation: Gobet, Fernand, and Herbert A. Simon. "Expert chess memory: Revisiting the chunking hypothesis." Memory 6.3 (1998): 225-255.

A quote from the abstract: "Masters in our new study used substantially larger chunks than the Master of the 1973 study..."

It could be that Capablanca had more, larger and better quality chunks than other masters of his time, but not necessarily of today's top players. I don't think it works to pick out an individual pair like Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 versus Carlsen vs Bu Xiangzhi, 2017 to come to far-reaching conclusions; one would need a carefully defined methodology to compare as a whole the works of Capablanca, Carlsen, and their contemporaries.

As for the brain's physical ability to create and store these structures, I think that has existed since the dawn of history and supported these impressive feats of creating all our languages, sciences and culture, of which chess skill is one small part.

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  visayanbraindoctor: <beatgiant> Define <chunks> as related to chess?

There is a theory that short term memory works in <chunks>. Essentially that means that your limbic system stores short term memory best in chunks of up to four. (In contrast long term memory is localized in the cerebral hemispheres' cortices.) That's why you can memorize something like phone numbers more efficiently if you divide them into chunks of 3 or perhaps up to 4. Are these authors claiming that somehow this proves that a pre-WW2 master can't play middegames and endgames as well as a present day masters? That's like saying 1 + 1 = 2, and using it to prove that 2 + 2 = 5.

<"Masters in our new study used substantially larger chunks than the Master of the 1973 study>

The quote that you cite sounds speculative hypothesis at best. The ones generally accepted worldwide enter our textbooks and that citation has not. Or at the very least are known by your local Psychiatrists, Neurologists, or neurosurgeons. If any of such similar studies specifically pertaining to has been accepted by most people trained in various fields of the Neuro Sciences, I certainty would have read of it in our textbooks, or heard of it from other Neurosurgeons, some of whom (including my old master and mentor who always would invite me to play chess with him in his spare time after he found out I used to be a below 13 age bracket National Chess Champion of our country) include chess among in their favorite hobbies.

Frankly, I don't agree with it if what they are implying is that pre-WW2 masters can't play chess as well as present-day ones. I've seen enough games pre-WW2 and post-WW2 that are counter examples.

If you have studied both Capablanca vs Marshall, 1918 and Carlsen vs Bu Xiangzhi, 2017, and read the evidences I and <Jonathan> have posted in this site, and still believe that pre WW2 masters can't play middegame and endgames as well as present day ones, I would say that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise that your thesis could be wrong. I am sorry to say that the simplest explanation why you are ignoring all the empirical data in front of you (and digging up more unclear speculations by the above authors) is that you have a bad case of the narcissistic generation syndrome yourself, and are acting like a die-hard Watsonian propagandist.

If you have been wondering why I haven't been discussing this topic with you anymore (except to correct more Watsonian propaganda if I come across it in other pages of this site for the sake of new kibitzers who are new to the topic), well... I don't quite have the time to repeat all the discussions about this topic with you in the Alekhine forum. I think you are an intelligent person, but the evidences I presented just flew past your head; not because you are unintelligent, but because of a bias that causes you to ignore clear empirical evidences.

Larsen was probably more intelligent than either one of us, yet was completely blinded by his own bias thanks to the narcissistic generation syndrome. How the heck could he say he would easily crush any 1920s master after: and

As for Watson, how could he claim pre WW2 Masters were inferior after getting crushed in Keres vs J L Watson, 1975

He actually insulted Keres' generation AFTER he already got crushed by Keres just when the old master was about to die of a heart attack a few months later. He was so blind that he did not realize that Keres began his career in the 1920s. That's how biases can affect judgment in quite respected and intelligent people.

Am I being judgemental of you? I guess I am, but I have already presented all the evidences needed again and again and you just keep on ignoring them. OK you'll shoot flak at me for saying out my mind, but seeing how you are still following me around after all the evidences I had presented in the AAA page, I believe this topic has become a kind of personal competition with you; and so IMO nothing else would work with you but the painful truth.

After saying the above, let me also say I admire your analyses in the various game pages of this site. You do good for the chess community with them. However, I do hope that someday you will realize you have the same blinders on that Watson and Larsen had.

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  beatgiant: <visayanbraindoctor> First, I just want to clarify one thing. My main point above was not just to take another shot in the age-old <masters of the past versus masters of today> debate.

Instead, my main point was: those who side with masters of today, don't do it based on <a brain theory of skill> but based on <a culture theory of skill>. Above, you said <brains are touted>, and I don't think that accurately represents anyone's position.

I'll respond to your other points briefly in a separate post later (again, not intending to reignite this debate on which we've both probably already made all our main points).

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  Jonathan Sarfati: <visayanbraindoctor: <Jonathan Sarfati: <visayanbraindoctor>, to reinforce that, Carlsen presumably had played through Capablanca's game at some time, while Capa had no predecessor to draw upon.>>

Just saw your comment at Anand vs Carlsen, 2015 where it is clear that Carlsen does respect the old masters and studies their games, just as Fischer used to. A few years ago, he said that he admires Reuben Fine, "It strikes me that what he was doing in chess is similar to what I was doing." (cited in

It's no accident that Fischer and Carlsen are two of the greatest post-WW2 players, along with the two Ks.

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  visayanbraindoctor: <beatgiant> I reacted strongly because the the quote <Masters in our new study used substantially larger chunks than the Master of the 1973 study> looks utterly non-nonsensical to me, and seems to just throw rotten eggs at the the old masters.

It implies that present-day players have limbic systems that somehow can memorize short term memories of more than 4 chunks, while the old masters can only manage up to 4. What?! The limbic system of every human in history has been 'hard-wired' by genes by age 4. It's not as if humans born after WW2 have a different 'wiring'.

Perhaps these authors are saying that present-day masters have memorized more opening variations? If so, I agree. But that certainly does not mean that the old masters cannot memorize more variations too, if they happened to have been born more recently; as what the statement to seems to be implying.

What's the definition of this? <a culture theory of skill>

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  visayanbraindoctor: <Jonathan Sarfati> Yes, in fact of all top level masters, I believe that it is Carlsen that most often cites games from the old masters.

<It strikes me that what he was doing in chess is similar to what I was doing>

Fine was known as being a positional monster during his heydays, playing unpretentious openings but aggressive accurate and positionally sound middle games. Well, that's precisely what Carlsen is today.

I can see the similarities of their style and I understand Carlsen's admiration for Fine.

BTW I could never completely comprehend why Fine quit chess so early in his career. Why in the world would he refuse to play in the 1948 Candidates? It was a great loss for chess. I do not think that it was merely to continue with his Psychiatry career.

One possibility I have entertained is that he lost heart after his failure in US chess- failing to ever win the US Championship, and failing to surpass Reshevsky. Maybe he was thinking 'If I can't even be the top gun in my own country, what's the chance for me against the Soviets?'

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  visayanbraindoctor: Fine had a respectable score against the competitors in the FIDE World Championship Tournament (1948)

Samuel Reshevsky beat Reuben Fine 5 to 1, with 14 draws, but before the event it was 4 to 1, and lots of draws.

Paul Keres beat Reuben Fine 3 to 1, with 8 draws, which is the best record against Fine, and it's not quite dominating.

Reuben Fine tied Max Euwe 2 to 2, with 3 draws, but before the event it was 3 to 2 for Fine.

Reuben Fine beat Mikhail Botvinnik 1 to 0, with 2 draws, so Fine had already proven that he could beat Botvinnik.

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  Jonathan Sarfati: There are a few likely reasons for Fine's dropping out.

One is the impossibility of making a living from chess in the USA of his day, and, related to this, the uselessness of the USCF. E.g. they didn't want FIDE to select the obvious Reshevsky and Fine for the world championship tournament, but wanted to pick the American reps.

Related to this was his career in psychoanalysis (really quite a farce overall, with his silly comments about chess and the Oedipus complex etc.). That was a reason he gave at the time, but decades later, he claimed that this was a Soviet fabrication. Fine was somewhat economical with the truth on a number of occasions.

Another major reason is that he lacked confidence in his play. During WW2, he had only inferior USA opposition for the most part, but the Soviets had improved by a lot. In those days, chess novelties travelled slowly. Pre-WW2, he outclassed the best players in the USSR apart from Botvinnik, e.g. Fine vs Lilienthal, 1937 and Levenfish vs Fine, 1937 But after the war, he lost rather easily to one of the second-string Soviets Boleslavsky vs Fine, 1945, against whom Botvinnik had an overwhelming plus score. And he always found Keres a hard opponent Keres vs Fine, 1946, while Botvinnik meanwhile had become stronger than Keres.

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  diceman: <Jonathan Sarfati: There are a few likely reasons for Fine's dropping out.

One is the impossibility of making a living from chess in the USA of his day>

That would get my vote.

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  Jonathan Sarfati: You you just replace “Fine” with “Carlsen” everywhere in this account below, except for the last sentence:

“Fine was a formidable player with a solid and sound style that had been compared to Maroczy, Euwe or Karpov. Arnold Denker even went so far as to compare Fine's play to that of Fischer. Fine’s play was rarely flashy and he was always prepared to make a passive, unspectacular move just to bide his time. He was always confident that an opportunity to gain the advantage would inevitably arise because he always thought he was the better player.

“In his notes to one game Fine described his approach: My chief objective was always precision, wherever that would take me. When he needed to win, he didn’t take risks in order to avoid the draw and seek critical positions. Instead he simply intensified the accuracy of his positional play—and scored win after win with surprising persistence.

“Fine’s style of play won’t appeal very much to most players because his games often appear to be dry. But, in reality they often contain many subtle and fine points that make them a model for positional play. And, it was his positional understanding and technical ability that accounted for many of his victories. Fine was an all-around player as demonstrated by the many books he wrote on all aspects of the game: openings, the middlegame and endings.”

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  visayanbraindoctor: I agree. I admire Carlsen for his incredible accuracy and persistence, but I don't particularity find his games very interesting or creative.

For ex, the game below could well have been played by Carlsen. Fine grabs material, then just keeps on improving his position from a rather cramped start, and wins in the end playing accurately.

Fine vs Stahlberg, 1937

Notice how Fine keeps a sound pawn structure, fends off any possible offensive or tactic, and makes sure his pieces remain coordinated even if for a time many of them were in the back rank. Notice that both Fine and Carlsen seem comfortable playing with their pieces on their first rank, as long as they are coordinated. And they are both quite 'materialistic' and prefer sound pawn structures.

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  visayanbraindoctor: To be more specific, IMO Carlsen style tends to:

1. Set up a sound pawn structure. If possible set this up as a classic pawn-occupied center. If not, make sure it is sound anyway.

2. Maneuver pieces behind and around this sound pawn structure, always prepared to grab more space, and create and target opponent's weaknesses, exploit any situational development that can lead to an offensive. Sometimes this entails maneuvering around his first rank, but Carlsen isn't adverse to this.

3. Maintain accuracy at all costs.

His latest game

Carlsen vs Caruana, 2017

shows Carlsen doing this precisely. Note the sequence of moves

9. e4 cxd4 10. Nxd4 Bb7 11. Be3 Bc5

and White has advanced a pawn in the center e4 square and maneuvered his Dark Colored Bishop behind it, targeting Black's weak Queen-side Black pawns and squares.

Then what IMO is a typical Carlsenesque maneuver (complete with a creeping Queen move in the first rank)

12. f3 O-O 13. Qe1 Rc8 14. Qf2

applying more pressure on the Black Queen-side Black pawns and squares, and suddenly it's clear that White has a long term advantage with a strong center and space behind to engage in even more maneuvers. (I am almost sure that Carlsen may have missed a win somewhere in the endgame, but I don't have a chess program to verify this. To is credit Caruana also defended well.) I like the 12. f3 13. Qe1 14. Qf2 sequence.

Fine also seemed to have such a style. It's not flashy, and carried over for the whole of the middlgame and endgame looks dry to many kibitzers. Their moves are not unexpected, and there is hardly a moment for the onlooker (and probably for their opponents as well) of 'Wow! I did not see that coming'.

Carlsen fans will probably flake me for saying this, but IMO there are hardly any interesting twists or imaginatively and unexpectedly creative attacks. But I am not saying that it's wrong. On the contrary, Carlsen may have the most positionally 'correct' style of all World Champions.

Rather than dry I would call it 'swampy'. It's a style that is very difficult to play against. Their opponents must feel like they're drowning in the mud of a swampy morass.

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  OhioChessFan: <vbd: On the contrary, Carlsen may have the most positionally 'correct' style of all World Champions.>

I think Carlsen's success has come from creating a style that is very effective against the current level of competition. I'm not sure what the style is, exactly, but less than rigorous openings, a middlegame style that is 60% aggressive and 40% solid, and an incredible ability to grind out wins in the endgame after a drawish looking middlegame that often comes due to a late game blunder by the opponent. I admire it, although I do understand why his detractors don't. I think Lasker is the closest predecessor in style to Carlsen, just a universalist who does what it takes to win. Perhaps Carlsen would evolve a new style if he needed to, but what he's doing now is working.

I don't see how you can compare players across generations(I think Capa and Alekhine would fare much better today, Alekhine with engine help is a frightening thought, than the average chess afficianado thinks),but if you had a Capa of 2017, I don't think Carlsen's style would work. Capa would play a faultless opening, maintain an advantage into the middlegame, and win or draw easily. An Alekhine of 2017 would blast some of the mediocre openings to pieces in less than 30 moves. A Karpov of 2017 wouldn't lose, ever, against a less than rigorous opening. I don't see any equivalent players of this generation who can challenge Carlsen. Aronian had a run, Caruana maybe a year's run, Kramnik still has something left, maybe So, but without demeaning them, I don't think they're an especially imposing bunch of opponents.

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  visayanbraindoctor: <OhioChessFan:(I think Capa and Alekhine would fare much better today, Alekhine with engine help is a frightening thought, than the average chess afficianado thinks),but if you had a Capa of 2017, I don't think Carlsen's style would work. Capa would play a faultless opening, maintain an advantage into the middlegame, and win or draw easily.>

I've already essentially said so in the past: I think Capablanca would be World Champion today had he been born in the 1980s to 90s. I follow live chess games of top GMs today in the internet (including Carlsen, Anand, Kramnik); and in my subjective view, they commit errors that IMO a prime Capablanca would never have done so. (For instance Capablanca during his unbeaten in 1916 to 1924 run would never have committed the errors Carlsen did in in Carlsen vs I Nepomniachtchi, 2017 or even in Carlsen vs Bu Xiangzhi, 2017 See my posts in those games.)

<An Alekhine of 2017 would blast some of the mediocre openings to pieces in less than 30 moves.>

AAA certainly had the ability to do so. Now there is an argument among some kibitzers that AAA could not do such a thing to modern top level GMs.

That's just plain false. There are dozens of games where he does this to top level masters. I've replayed enough of his games to know that if he gets a sound initiative from the opening (or middlegame) he is liable to blast any one off the board, even the strongest of masters. Ex 1: AAA shellacs a future USSR Champion and one whom Botvinnik couold not beat in their match Botvinnik - Levenfish (1937) right out of the opening, in the style of the classic 'immortal games' Alekhine vs Levenfish, 1912. Ex 2. AAA crushes Keres in a highly tactical double-edged middle game, seeing variations that Keres (one of the greatest tacticians of chess history) could not see Alekhine vs Keres, 1942

<A Karpov of 2017 wouldn't lose, ever, against a less than rigorous opening.>

Since I essentially grew up in the Karpov era, I have seen a LOT of his games, and I do agree. How the heck can you beat someone that plays like is in a match if you play only 'positionally' out of a <less than rigorous opening>? Karpov vs Gulko, 1996 (And this was already a has-been 1996 Karpov.)

<I don't see any equivalent players of this generation who can challenge Carlsen. Aronian had a run, Caruana maybe a year's run, Kramnik still has something left, maybe So, but without demeaning them, I don't think they're an especially imposing bunch of opponents.>

This is an important point. To make it more concrete, I will give a comparison.

Fils in general have nothing much to be proud of in the field of international competition (unless it's beauty contests of which we have won quite a lot recently thanks to a well established highly professional 'beauty' industry.) So when Pacquiao came along, nearly everyone here swooned over in joy.

I rarely watch boxing ever since operating on a boxer that got KO'd in a boxing bout in my residency days. But from what I have seen of his fights, Pacquiao seems to be one of the greatest fighters of his weight category.

Yet I also believe he was lucky. He arrived in an era wherein really great boxers in their prime were absent. My nationalistic countrymen will fry me for saying so, but IMO had Pacquiao been active in the time of Sugar Ray Robinson, or in the era of Sugar Ray Leonard/ Duran/ Hearns/ Hagler, then he would not have stood up head and shoulders above the pack. I think he would more likely have lost than won against them.

I know my views won't sit well with a lot of kibitzers (or my countrymen), but I have always tried to be unswayed by the pack in forming my opinions.

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