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Kinghunt
Member since Oct-26-08 · Last seen Feb-12-16
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Career supertournament wins by player
Updated 1 February 2016

<Active players>
Carlsen: 26
Kramnik: 23
Anand: 23
Topalov: 21
Ivanchuk: 15
Gelfand: 13
Aronian: 12
Caruana: 8
Karjakin: 5
Grischuk: 3
Nakamura: 3
Andreikin: 1
Jakovenko: 1
Tomashevsky: 1
So: 1

<Retired players for comparison>

Karpov: 42
Kasparov: 38

My definition of supertournament is quite broad: any closed international event with at least two players who have been in the top 10 in the last year constitutes a supertournament. Neither matches nor rapid/blitz events count as supertournaments, regardless of who is playing.

If there is a tie for first, it will be counted for all players involved unless the tournament used tiebreaks, in which case only the player they declared winner gets to count it. Please see posts below for details on the events considered but not counted for this list.

Also, for what it's worth, in case of a tie, the first player to reach X supertournament wins will remain listed higher.

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   Feb-04-16 Tradewise Gibraltar (2016) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: If I'm understanding this right, Anand walks away from the event with literally $0 in prize money? http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.c...
 
   Feb-02-16 M Esserman vs Anand, 2016 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: The draw may have been the pragmatic choice given the strength gap, but white had excellent chances to push for a win instead. For white's 20th move, Komodo 9.3 gives 20. h5 Bc6 21. Qe3 with a score of +0.76 (d=38).
 
   Feb-01-16 Tata Steel (2016) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: < BOSTER: < Kinghunt>. Why do you count the winning supertour? Maybe is better to count the winning world champ matches. For ex. Kasparov-6. Carlsen-2.> I count tournaments because it is easy for anyone to look up world championship wins. It is much harder to find
 
   Feb-01-16 Magnus Carlsen (replies)
 
Kinghunt: I have just updated my list of supertournament wins by top players. You may view it on my forum, here: User: kinghunt In summary, it seems to have been a "quiet" year for the list. Players added victories, but nobody passed anyone, and the rankings remain unchanged. Carlsen is ...
 
   Feb-01-16 Kinghunt chessforum (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <Events added:> Norway chess 2015, won by Veselin Topalov Sinquefield 2015 - won by Levon Aronian London 2015 - won by Magnus Carlsen (on tiebreak over Giri, MVL) Tata 2016 - won by Magnus Carlsen Dortmund 2015 - won by Fabiano Caruana Bilbao 2015 - won by Wesley So on ...
 
   Dec-28-15 Qatar Masters (2015) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: Thanks < siamesedream>. I had thought the tiebreak would be your standard S-B, but it seems that if Carlsen draws and Yu Yangyi wins, there will be a blitz playoff to determine the winner.
 
   Dec-10-15 London Chess Classic (2015) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: There are so many draws because Carlsen is drawing all of his games. In a typical tournament, Carlsen is involved in about half the decisive games.
 
   Dec-04-15 Hydra vs Adams, 2005
 
Kinghunt: Quite impressive not only that Hydra won in such a fashion, but that it also did it in an opening system that Adams is a specialist in. The position through move 15 had been seen dozens of times, and after only 12 further moves, Adams has to throw in the towel.
 
   Dec-04-15 M Vachier-Lagrave vs Carlsen, 2015 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: I suspect the outcome of this game depends strongly on which Carlsen shows up in London.
 
   Nov-16-15 Carlsen vs Aronian, 2015 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: This is probably the worst game I have ever seen from Carlsen. White's 22nd move: the opening hasn't gone particularly well, but things are okay for white. Black has more active pieces, so countering them is imperative. Particularly of note is the attack on f2, which is barely ...
 
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Feb-19-15
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  Kinghunt: Correction: Magnus Carlsen won Baden-baden 2015, not Zurich 2015, which is currently ongoing (thanks Nf8!)

Career supertournament wins of Carlsen:
Wijk aan Zee 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015
Baku 2008
Aerosvit 2008
Nanjing 2009, 2010
London 2009, 2010, 2012
Bazna 2010, 2011
Biel 2011
Bilbao 2011, 2012
Tal Memorial 2011, 2012
Candidates 2013
Sinquefield Cup 2013
Zurich 2014
Gashimov Memorial 2014
Baden-Baden 2015

Events excluded: Biel 2007 (insufficient strength)

Feb-19-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Tournament added: Bilbao 2013, won by Levon Aronian (thanks Nf8!)

Career supertournament wins of Levon Aronian:
Linares 2006
Wijk an Zee 2007, 2008, 2012
Sochi 2008
Nalchik 2009
Bilbao 2009 , 2013
Tal Memorial 2010
Alekhine 2013
Wijk an Zee 2014

Events excluded: Tal Memorial 2006, 2011 (lost both on tiebreak)

Feb-19-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <Nf8: Note sure if Dortmund 04 should be counted; its format included knockout & non-classical games (it was identical with that of the 2002 "Candidates" event, from which Leko qualified to the match with Kramnik)>

Thanks for pointing that out, that's a really tough one to make a call on. However, I think I will keep it included. Anand was the only one at +2 after the "normal" rounds, plus he won the playoff, so however you look at it, he was clear winner, and I don't think adding "extra" games at the end takes too much away. While trying to remain as consistent as possible, I think this is close to a tossup.

Feb-19-15  sinusitis: Haha...right after all these tie break arguments we got a controversy today when the Zurich organizers changed the original tie break rule towards the end of the tournament and decided on a blitz armaggedon winner take all game.

http://www.chess.com/news/nakamura-...

Only in the chess world do you get this! Kasparov would have walked right out of the playing hall at this kind of disrespect.

Feb-24-15  Olavi: Re Karpov's tournament wins: as <Nf8> pointed out Biel 1990 meets the criteria. It was played in July, and of the other players Andersson was world number 11 on July first, but he was nr. 9 in January and nr. 8 in July 1989.
Feb-27-15  Lambda: This seems like a good place to post the results of a supertournament survey I've done, somewhat inspired by the one here, which looks back far further into history, at all the world champions and a few others, and also counts the total number of supertournaments competed in (between a player's first and last victory), to try to make figures over vastly varying rates of occurrence slightly more meaningful. (Several players start off winning them reliably then compete in many more with little success, I've extracted additional partial figures for them.)

I'm using a somewhat different definition, it needs to have four top 10 players (or at least three other than the player currently under consideration), and otherwise just needs to be classical, all play all, and not a training tournament. A tie is counted as half a win (or a third for a three-way tie). Chessmetrics was used until 2004, because it puts all the information in one place and makes things easy. A few irregularities: Alekhine is counted as winning Mannheim 1914, which he was leading when WWI brought it to a premature end, Rubinstein is counted as top 10 for Berlin 1918 despite being technically unrated because he clearly was at that level, and Fischer is counted as competing in the candidates tourney he pulled out of. (Would be nice to add maybe Ivanchuk, Topalov and Aronian, but modern players are more work.)

player time-period years wins/played win-rate (wins/played per year)

Steinitz 1870-1882 12 <3>/4 <75%> 0.25/0.333

Tarrasch 1885-1907 22 <6.33>/14 <45%> 0.288/0.636

Lasker 1895-1924 29 <8.5>/10 <85%> 0.293/0.345

Rubinstein 1907-1912 5 <4.5>/9 <50%> 0.9/1.8

Rubinstein 1907-1925 18 <6>/19 <32%> 0.333/1.056

Capablanca 1911-1936 25 <5.5>/13 <42%> 0.22/0.52

Alekhine 1914-1934 20 <8.33>/15 <56%> 0.417/0.75

Bogoljubow 1922-1928 6 <4.33>/11 <39%> 0.722/1.833

Euwe 1934-1934 0 <0.33>/1 <33%> N/A

Keres 1937-1952 15 <4.5>/12 <38%> 0.3/0.8

Keres 1937-1962 25 <5.0>/25 <20%> 0.2/1

Reshevsky 1937-1937 0 <1.33>/3 <44%> N/A

Botvinnik 1935-1956 21 <7.5>/14 <54%> 0.357/0.666

Bronstein 1948-1955 7 <2.5>/6 <42%> 0.357/0.857

Smyslov 1949-1956 7 <3>/7 <43%> 0.429/1

Tal 1957-1961 4 <5>/6 <83%> 1.25/1.5

Tal 1957-1979 22 <5.5>/19 <29%> 0.25/0.864

Petrosian 1959-1976 17 <5>/18 <28%> 0.294/1.059

Spassky 1961-1983 22 <3.5>/17 <21%> 0.159/0.773

Fischer 1962-1970 8 <3>/5 <60%> 0.375/0.625

Korchnoi 1957-1973 16 <1.83>/15 <12%> 0.102/0.938

Karpov 1971-1986 15 <13.5>/23 <59%> 0.9/1.533

Karpov 1971-1989 18 <16.5>/30 <55%> 0.917/1.667

Karpov 1971-1996 25 <17.83>/41 <43%> 0.713/1.64

Kasparov 1982-2002 20 <25.5>/35 <73%> 1.275/1.75

Kasparov 1982-2005 23 <26>/38 <68%> 1.130/1.652

Anand 1991-2015 24 <15.83>/63 <25%> 0.660/2.625

Kramnik 1995-2014 19 <13.5>/55 <25%> 0.711/2.895

Carlsen 2008-2015 7 <12>/27 <44%> 1.171/3.857

Apr-26-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Event added: Gashimov Memorial 2015, won by Magnus Carlsen

Career supertournament wins of Carlsen:
Wijk aan Zee 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015
Baku 2008
Aerosvit 2008
Nanjing 2009, 2010
London 2009, 2010, 2012
Bazna 2010, 2011
Biel 2011
Bilbao 2011, 2012
Tal Memorial 2011, 2012
Candidates 2013
Sinquefield Cup 2013
Zurich 2014
Gashimov Memorial 2014, 2015
Baden-Baden 2015

Events excluded: Biel 2007 (insufficient strength)

With this, Carlsen moves to 24 career supertournament wins - ahead of Kramnik, Anand, and in fact all other active players! (Still significantly trailing Karpov and Kasparov, but well on pace to catch them before turning 30.)

Apr-27-15  sinusitis: So who are you giving the Zurich tournament to? Or maybe it should not be included due to the last minute change in tie break regulations.
Apr-27-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <sinusitis> Thank you for the reminder, I forgot to add the event. As for who gets credit, I stand by my decision just before the rapid games were played:

<Whoever the tournament organizers declare the ultimate winner will get the tournament victory here. If Nakamura ends up triumphing, while it might seem strange to give him credit, I do not think it would be any stranger than some of the Bilbao-style scoring results (for example, Biel Chess Festival (2012), where Carlsen finished on +4 and Wang Hao finished on +3, but because of the scoring rules in place, Wang Hao was awarded tournament victory).>

So plus one victory to Nakamura!

Apr-27-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Event added: Zurich 2015, won by Hikaru Nakamura

Career supertournament wins of Hikaru Nakamura:
Wijk an Zee 2011
Zurich 2015

Events excluded: Donostia 2009 (insufficient strength)

May-07-15  devere: <Kinghunt> It seems that many users (myself included) have now been excluded from posting on Wesley So's player forum, but you have not. If I were you, I'd be a bit insulted. LOL
May-09-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <devere> Haha. I'd like to think that most of my posts there, as unpopular as some of them are, are sufficiently fact-based to not warrant being labeled as trolling or unreasonable. You have my sympathies, though.
May-14-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <kinghunt> and <daisuki>.

I came upon this site that offers Monte Carlo simulation of the Grand Prix:

https://chessnumbers.wordpress.com/...

Perhaps you are already aware of it.

May-20-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <Tiggler> Yes, that is a great site! It does its simulations in quite a similar way to how I ran mine for the Candidates, but with the added benefit of me not needing to do any of the work! I have been following its updates quite closely and am a big fan.
Oct-18-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: I just had an interesting idea for an interesting future for man vs machine matches. It was sparked by realizing that it has been nearly 10 years since any human beat any top chess program under tournament conditions (Ponomariov vs Fritz, 2005). Clearly, humans cannot hope to win a match against computers anymore. But maybe, with enough tries, they can still win a single game. So, here's the idea...

A $1 million prize fund is created. An open challenge is then issued to all GMs - beat the machine, and all the money is theirs. If they lose or draw the game, they get nothing. They do not need to commit to more than one game at a time, but are free to try as many times as they'd like. Obviously, a rigid anti-cheating system would need to be in place.

Given the nature of this challenge, the engine should not be handicapped in any way. It should be running on very strong hardware (like the 24 core server Komodo's handicap exhibition matches are played with), and have full access to opening books and tablebases.

Dec-28-15  EeEk: Time to update the list <Kinghunt>?
Jan-03-16  Rolfo: Happy New Year!
And then there is some update to do :)
Jan-03-16  Hawkman: A friend of mine showed me a QP opening where White just tries to drive the Queen's pawn all the way down the board. I don't play much QP games and would greatly appreciate it if someone could please tell the name and the notation of this QP variation. Thank you very much!
Feb-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <Events added:>

Norway chess 2015, won by Veselin Topalov

Sinquefield 2015 - won by Levon Aronian

London 2015 - won by Magnus Carlsen (on tiebreak over Giri, MVL)

Tata 2016 - won by Magnus Carlsen

Dortmund 2015 - won by Fabiano Caruana

Bilbao 2015 - won by Wesley So on tiebreaks

FIDE Khanty Mansiysk 2015 - shared by Jakovenko, Nakamura, and Caruana

Tblisi 2015 - won by Evgeny Tomashevsky

<Events excluded:>
Millionaire 2015 - won by Nakamura, but doesn't count (open)

Qatar 2015 - Carlsen, but doesn't count (open)

Biel 2015 - insufficient strength

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Career supertournament wins of Carlsen:
Wijk aan Zee 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015, 2016
Baku 2008
Aerosvit 2008
Nanjing 2009, 2010
London 2009, 2010, 2012, 2015
Bazna 2010, 2011
Biel 2011
Bilbao 2011, 2012
Tal Memorial 2011, 2012
Candidates 2013
Sinquefield Cup 2013
Zurich 2014
Gashimov Memorial 2014, 2015
Baden-Baden 2015

Events excluded: Biel 2007 (insufficient strength), Qatar Masters 2015 (open)

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Career supertournament wins of Levon Aronian:
Linares 2006
Wijk an Zee 2007, 2008, 2012
Sochi 2008
Nalchik 2009
Bilbao 2009 , 2013
Tal Memorial 2010
Alekhine 2013
Wijk an Zee 2014
Sinquefield Cup 2015

Events excluded: Tal Memorial 2006, 2011 (lost both on tiebreak)

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Career supertournament wins of Hikaru Nakamura:
Wijk an Zee 2011
Zurich 2015
Khanty Mansiysk 2015

Events excluded: Donostia 2009 (insufficient strength), Millionaire Chess 2015 (open)

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Updated career supertournament wins of Veselin Topalov: Madrid 1993, 1996, 1997 (shared)
Dos Hermanas 1996 (shared)
Amsterdam 1996 (shared)
Vienna 1996 (shared)
Novgorod 1996
Leon 1996 (shared)
Antwerp 1997
Cannes 2002
Benidorm 2003
San Luis 2005
Sofia 2005, 2006, 2007
Wijk an Zee 2006 (shared), 2007 (shared)
Bilbao 2008
Nanjing 2008
Linares 2010
Grand Prix London 2012 (shared)
Grand Prix Zug 2013 (shared)
Norway 2015

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Career supertournament wins of Fabiano Caruana:
Dortmund 2012, 2014, 2015
Zurich 2013
Paris 2013
Baku 2014
Sinquefield Cup 2014
Khanty Mansiysk 2015 (shared)

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Career supertournament wins of Dmitri Jakovenko
Khanty Mansiysk 2015 (shared)

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Career supertournament wins of Wesley So:
Bilbao 2015 (on tiebreak over Anish Giri)

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Career supertournament wins of Evgeny Tomashevsky:
Tblisi 2015

Feb-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  rogge: Thanks for updating your list!
Feb-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Shams: Cool list!
Feb-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eyal: Hi <Kinghunt>, here are a few supertournaments that I think you missed:

<Caruana> Kings Tournament (2013)

<Gelfand> [according to the count here - Kinghunt chessforum ]

Belgrade 91 (http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...)

- Alekhine Memorial 92 (shared with Anand - http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...)

- Wijk aan Zee 92 (shared with Salov - http://www.tatasteelchess.com/histo...)

You say the last one was excluded - but Salov was also a top-10 player according to the January 92 rating list - http://www.olimpbase.org/Elo/Elo199...).

On the other hand, Malmo 99 shouldn't be counted (insufficient strength).

<Ivanchuk> [according to the count here - Kinghunt chessforum ]

- Novgorod 94 (shared with Kasparov - http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...)

- Donner Memorial 96 (shared with Granda Zuniga - http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...)

Feb-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  fivealpha: Hi, Kinghunt, maybe you could add these tournaments to Wesley So's careen wins: Capablanca, ACP Masters Bergamo and Unive 2013. Including his Bilbao Masters, I believe his total is now 4 tournament wins
Feb-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  fivealpha: I think i made a mistake. The other tournaments do not have top ten players. So wesley has only one, bilbao.
Feb-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  twinlark: <Kinghunt>

frogbert's live ratings project started off like this in his bio, before he took it to its own dedicated site on the internet and having it take on a life of its own.

Not saying that will or should happen with this project , but it is very interesting as it is the first time I've seen someone define a super tournament.

Perhaps you could list the super tournaments referred to, if not in the bio of this page then cross referencing it to the bio of another page you could open for this purpose?

More or less thinking out loud here.

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