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Career supertournament wins by player
Updated 18 April, 2014

Kramnik: 23
Topalov: 21
Anand: 21
Carlsen: 20
Ivanchuk: 15
Gelfand: 11
Aronian: 10
Caruana: Still to come
Karjakin: Still to come
Nakamura: Still to come

My definition of supertournament is quite broad: any closed international event with at least two players who have been in the top 10 in the last year constitutes a supertournament. Neither matches nor rapid/blitz events count as supertournaments, regardless of who is playing.

If there is a tie for first, it will be counted for all players involved unless the tournament used tiebreaks, in which case only the player they declared winner gets to count it. Please see posts below for details on the events considered but not counted for this list.

Also, for what it's worth, in case of a tie, the first player to reach X supertournament wins will remain listed higher.

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   Apr-22-14 Magnus Carlsen
 
Kinghunt: <Conrad93: The Fischer of 1972 would be in the top five in 2014.> Sure, but you don't need to posit rating inflation for that. Fischer had a peak rating of 2785 - that would make him world #4, behind Carlsen, Aronian, and Grischuk, tied with Anand.
 
   Apr-22-14 Karjakin vs Carlsen, 2014 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: White's pawns look scary, but black always has the option of playing Kf6 Bxe6. I do believe black's winning chances are gone now, though.
 
   Apr-22-14 Gashimov Memorial (2014) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <nok: <Fischer had to contend with a team of Soviet Grandmasters for his opening preparation. Carlsen has to face an entire world of chess engines> I would think Carlsen can use engines, too.> You're missing the point. Two points, actually. First, universally raising ...
 
   Apr-21-14 Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2014 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <Bobwhoosta: If he sweeps this tournament will it take him past [2900] ?> Yes. In fact, he "only" needs +7. Very unlikely, to be sure, not not much beyond the +6 he scored at Nanjing in 2009. And he's +2 already, so he just needs to score at least +5 in the next 8 games. ...
 
   Apr-21-14 Carlsen vs Mamedyarov, 2014 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <What about 11.e5 for Black?> It fails tactically, <exploit[ing] the fact that [Black] has not castled>. 11...e5 12. dxe5 Nxe5 13. Qd8#
 
   Apr-18-14 Kinghunt chessforum
 
Kinghunt: Tournament added: Wijk an Zee 2014, won by Levon Aronian Career supertournament wins of Levon Aronian: Linares 2006 Wijk an Zee 2007, 2008, 2012 Sochi 2008 Nalchik 2009 Bilbao 2009 Tal Memorial 2010 Alekhine 2013 Wijk an Zee 2014 Events excluded: Tal ...
 
   Apr-16-14 World Chess Championship Candidates (2014)
 
Kinghunt: <Petrosianic> I think this story, as often as it's repeated, is apocryphal. If you search 'house resolution 545 1987', for example, you get this: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bi... If you include 'Fischer' in the search, the only results are chess websites. There does not
 
   Apr-13-14 Viswanathan Anand (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <rating is just a number...it doesn't tell you how good you are in a given position....> Players make mistakes sometimes, even the best, yes. But come on - is there any position where you think a 2700 player would play it better than a 2900 player? <it is very difficult to
 
   Mar-27-14 Anand vs D Andreikin, 2014 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: 41. Rc4 requires total precision for several moves. 41. Kd2 does not.
 
   Mar-24-14 Levon Aronian (replies)
 
Kinghunt: I am baffled at Aronian's decision to repeat in Aronian vs Anand, 2014 . He had a position worth playing on in, and knew that this was his best chance to overtake Anand and claim the lead. I cannot understand what was going through his mind when he made this decision.
 
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Sep-15-13
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  Gypsy: <Events excluded: Russian championships (no international players)>

I would count those: Generally, extremely strong events. And some years with players that either before or after played for different flags (e.g., Gelfand, Karjakin). In similar fashion, Ukrainian, Armenian, and other such championships may be considered.

(My -2c-).

Sep-15-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Career supertournament wins of Boris Gelfand:

Biel 1993
Dos Hermanas 1994
Belgrade 1995
Tilburg 1996
Vienna 1996
Rubinstein Memorial 1998, 2000
Malmo 1999
Cannes 2002
London Grand Prix 2012
Tal Memorial 2013

Events excluded: Wijk an Zee 1992, Pamplona 2004, Bermuda 2005, Biel 2005, New Horizons 2010 (no other top 10 players), Alekhine Memorial 2013 (lost on tiebreak)

Oct-04-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <Gypsy> The reason I chose to exclude them is that they're open to a subset of the top players - and there are no alternatives for other players. If in the last 10 years, player A has won 17 international tournaments, and player B has won 13 international tournaments and 6 Russian championships, it would be misleading to say player B has more tournament wins. It's true, but since player A never had the chance to play in a national championship of significant strength, it skews the stats in player B's favor to count them. It's not that I don't think they're significant achievement, just that they're a different class than what I'm trying to tally here.
Oct-20-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Career supertournament wins of Veselin Topalov:

Madrid 1996, 1997 (shared)
Dos Hermanas 1996 (shared)
Amsterdam 1996 (shared)
Vienna 1996 (shared)
Novgorod 1996
Leon 1996 (shared)
Antwerp 1997
Cannes 2002
Benidorm 2003
Sofia 2005, 2006, 2007
Wijk an Zee 2006 (shared), 2007 (shared)
Bilbao 2008
Nanjing 2008
Linares 2010
Grand Prix London 2012 (shared)
Grand Prix Zug 2013 (shared)

Events excluded: several in/before 1995 (insufficient strength), Dortmund 2001 (lost on tiebreak), Linares 2005 (lost on tiebreak), Vitoria Gasteiz 2007 (insufficient strength), King's Tournament 2012 (lost on tiebreak)

Oct-20-13  Billy Vaughan: Sorry if you've addressed this already, but when you say that two top ten players are needed for a tournament to be considered elite, does that include the player in question or not? For example, if Aronian and Carlsen are the only two top ten players at a tournament, does it count as an elite tournament if Carlsen wins it? Or only if, say, Bacrot wins it, because only he faces two top ten opponents (whereas Aronian and Carlsen only have one top ten opponent each)?
Oct-20-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Career supertournament wins of Vassily Ivanchuk:

Linares 1989, 1991, 1995
Tilburg 1990
Reykjavik 1991
Munich 1994
Horgen 1995
Wijk an Zee 1996
Belgrade 1997
Montecatini Terme 2000
Aerosvit 2007
Sofia 2008
Moscow 2008
Bazna 2009
Jermuk 2009

Events excluded: several events prior to 1989 (insufficient strength), Yerevan 1989 (insufficient strength), Biel 1989 (insufficient strength), Capablanca Memorial 2005, 2007, 2010, 2012 (insufficient strength), Barcelona 2005 (insufficient strength), Linares 2009 (lost on tiebreak), Bilbao 2011 (lost on tiebreak), Gibralter 2011 (insufficient strength)

Oct-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Event added: Madrid 1993 - shared between Kramnik, Topalov, and Anand

Updated career tournament wins of Kramnik:
Dortmund 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011 Linares 2000, 2004 Dos Hermanas 1996, 1997
Moscow 2007, 2009
Madrid 1993
Horgen 1995
Belgrade 1995
Tilburg 1997
Wijk aan Zee 1998
Bilbao 2010
London 2011

Updated career tournament wins of Anand:
Corus 1989, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2006
Dortmund 1996, 2000, 2004
Reggio Emilia 1992
Linares 1998, 2007, 2008
Alekhine 1992
Gronigen 1993
Biel 1997
Dos Hermanas 1997
Belgrade 1997
Madrid 1993, 1998
Tilburg 1998
Mexico City 2007
Baden-Baden 2013

Updated career supertournament wins of Veselin Topalov: Madrid 1993, 1996, 1997 (shared)
Dos Hermanas 1996 (shared)
Amsterdam 1996 (shared)
Vienna 1996 (shared)
Novgorod 1996
Leon 1996 (shared)
Antwerp 1997
Cannes 2002
Benidorm 2003
Sofia 2005, 2006, 2007
Wijk an Zee 2006 (shared), 2007 (shared)
Bilbao 2008
Nanjing 2008
Linares 2010
Grand Prix London 2012 (shared)
Grand Prix Zug 2013 (shared)

Oct-21-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Trophies rescinded: Dortmund 1996 and Dortmund 2000 for Anand. Upon further review, it appears that both were won on tiebreak by Kramnik, and should not have been awarded to Anand.

Updated career tournament wins of Anand:
Corus 1989, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2006
Dortmund 2004
Reggio Emilia 1992
Linares 1998, 2007, 2008
Alekhine 1992
Gronigen 1993
Biel 1997
Dos Hermanas 1997
Belgrade 1997
Madrid 1993, 1998
Tilburg 1998
Mexico City 2007
Baden-Baden 2013

Events excluded: Open tournaments from his youth, World Cup 2000 (insufficient strength), Dortmund 1996 (lost on tiebreak), Dortmund 2000 (lost on tiebreak)

Dec-24-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  KKDEREK: Merry Christmas!!
Jan-29-14
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  juan31: Kinghunt: sorry for write in your forum, will you tell where you read about the schedule of the games in Zurich? Thank you in advance
Feb-02-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <juan31> Hi Juan, sorry for the delay, I actually don't check my own page often. I got my information from the official site: http://www.zurich-cc.com/pairings.h...
Feb-03-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  juan31: Thank you for the information
Feb-17-14
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  Kinghunt: <My proposed world championship format>

There are <six> Candidates, selected as follows:

1. World #1 by rating
2. World #2 by rating
3. World #3 by rating
4. World Cup Interzonal Winner
5. World Cup Interzonal Runner-up
6. Organizer nominee

FIDE picks its rating qualifiers by average rating. I would pick them as the players who maintain the highest live rating over any 20 game period. Only games played against foreign GMs count towards the 20 games. This would incentivize playing more games and risk taking, as only their best 20 game period is considered.

I would change the World Cup from its current KO format. Keep it at 128 players, picked in the same manner, but make it a 14 round Swiss. This would allow it to be quicker, eliminate the need for rapid/blitz tiebreaks, and reward aggressive play, rather than aiming to drawing to force tiebreaks. If there is a tie at the end, head-to-head is the first tiebreak, followed by average opponent rating.

The organizer nominee must have been ranked in the top 10 at some point since the last Candidates, either officially or by live rating.

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The Candidates themselves are a 6 player QRR (20 rounds total). It may be divided between two cities, or otherwise have a long break introduced in the middle to reduce fatigue.

In case of a tie, the default tiebreak is a classical six game match for no additional prize money. One player receives two extra whites, and the other receives draw odds. If both players want the same side, they have a standard tiebreaker rapid/blitz playoff, and the winner picks what side of the match they play on. Upon request from <both> players, this entire match may be replaced with a typical rapid tiebreak.

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The match itself is best of 18 games. The challenger gets 10 whites, and the champion only 8. In exchange, the defending champion receives draw odds.

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This system has minimal events to organize, is open to everyone, and should do a great job picking the best challenger. It could be easily implemented on a biannual basis, with the Candidates and title match occupying the same calendar slot in alternating years.

Feb-21-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: List of Candidates Winners and world rankings, 1950-1990

1951 - Bronstein - World #1
1954 - Smyslov - World #1
1957 - Smyslov - World #1
1960 - Tal - World #1
1963 - Petrosian - World #1
1966 - Spassky - World #1
1969 - Spassky - World #3
1972 - Fischer - World #1
1975 - Karpov - World #1
1978 - Korchnoi - World #2
1981 - Korchnoi - World #2
1984 - Kasparov - World #1
1987 - Karpov - World #2
1990 - Karpov - World #2

All winners were the highest rated players in the world (besides the defending champion), except for 1969, when Spassky was behind Fischer (who didn't compete) and Korchnoi (who Spassky defeated in the Candidates Final).

This suggests that the old Candidates format can be replaced with a much, much shorter one where players are picked by rating. I will post one such concrete suggestion soon.

Mar-14-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: From Gelfand vs Aronian, 2013:

<An interesting idea is to look for a surprise down the line. But how do you define a “surprise”? One possibility is to be able to find a good move that the opponent, human or machine, does not see. And one way to do this is to be able search to a deeper depth than the opponent, but I don’t see how this is any different than seeing farther over the horizon than the opponent.>

I have given some thought to this, as it may be the best way to tune engines to play well against humans. (Not that they need any help, but they may get better results by not jumping at so many incredibly hard to find threats.)

I think a "surprise" may be considered as a move that causes a drastic evaluation shift above a certain depth. Suppose an engine searches to d=24, and has two moves that it evaluates roughly the same. Normally it just picks whichever one is a centipawn higher. But I think it can do better than that. It should play the move that scores <worse> at lower depths (say, d=18).

The idea is simple - if the evaluation has risen with depth, it means the engine refuted several defensive tries - defensive tries that seemed very plausible even at d=18. Anything engine approved at d=18 is likely to tempt a GM, or at least make them spend time thinking about it.

Let's make this a little more concrete. Suppose we have the following position, black to move:


click for larger view

Let's say the two candidates are 17...d5 and 17...O-O. At d=18, we get the following lines and scores:

17...d5 18. g6 hxg6 +1.25
17...O-O 18. g6 d5 19. +1.77

Then say the engine runs to d=24, and gives the following:

17...d5 18. g6 hxg6 +1.13
17...O-O 18. Rdg1 Rfc8 +1.15

I would argue that the engine should choose the second line. Why? Because the opponent is going to be tempted by 18. g6, as was the engine at d=18. However, at d=24, it found that after 17...O-O 18. g6, it has the resource 18...Bf6!, which drops the eval to +0.78.

That is how an engine can detect "surprise" and use it to "trick" its opponents. It risks very little, as at full depth, the moves evaluate similarly anyway.

It is, of course, a matter of parameter tuning to determine when two moves evaluate "close enough" to employ this strategy without undue risk, as well as the lower search depth being compared with, and some kind of function to integrate the two.

I would appreciate any and all feedback on this idea. I may cobble together my own version of Stockfish with the move selection changed in such a manner to be deliberately difficult for humans to play against.

Mar-15-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Patriot: <Kinghunt> Here's a copy of my response.

<That's an interesting idea. So if it happens to be losing it goes with a move that is actually better for its opponent while giving them a tempting way to screw up, since their limited search depth only allowed them to see how "great" 18.g6 is. Very clever!

That's sort of the way strong human players play. When they are losing they may go with a crazy move that is worse but gives them the best chance to get back in the game. After all, they are only going from "lost" to "dead lost" if it doesn't work.>

Mar-15-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: I don't think such a strategy has to be limited to when losing, though. I could imagine the same system giving very good results whatever the evaluation.

For example, consider this position:


click for larger view

White to move

Let's say the two candidate moves are 18.Ra5 and 18. Bh6. At d=24, we get the following lines and scores:

18. Ra5 O-O-O 19. Rxa7 +1.05
18. Bh6 Na4 19. Qh4 +1.08

However, at d=18, we have these:

18. Ra5 Qb3 19. Nxe4 +0.72
18. Bh6 Na4 19. Qh4 +1.03

Clearly, something changed dramatically in calculation of the 18. Ra5 line. Indeed, if you take the start of the 18 ply line to 24 ply, it finds the resource 19. Rfa1, which brings the evaluation to +1.7. Thus, 18. Ra5 is considered the trickier move and should be favored.

Mar-15-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: (Lines and evals above are illustrative only. Some have been altered for sake of example.)
Mar-15-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Patriot: <Kinghunt> <I don't think such a strategy has to be limited to when losing, though.> Very true! I guess if I was the programmer one of my big concerns would be that the more "heuristic" logic interjected into the main calculation function, the slower it would be and would have a more limited horizon.

It may have something that goes "IF d>=18 THEN Trick_Eval() END" so the more complex logic is bypassed until it reaches that depth. But even such a simple statement could have a dramatic effect since it will be executed billions of times.

It's not to say it won't work--that's just a concern that I would have to test. Nonetheless I think your idea is brilliant!! It's definitely something worth looking into.

Mar-15-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Yes, this may also require MV analysis, which would also slow down the search. I guess it's a question of which would have a larger benefit: the slight increase in accuracy from getting in one extra ply in "normal mode" or the extra trickiness playing in "anti-human mode."
Mar-15-14
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  OhioChessFan: I have had ideas of engines using surprise moves. Your idea seems pretty straight forward and captures most of the important variants. As for your extra ply vs trickiness, an extra play isn't an extra ply. In some closed positions, one more ply is almost meaningless, whereas in an open position, it's crucial. But I would guess it's the open positions where the trickiness factor is also most important. I don't know if an eval factor could include an appeal to the type of position on the board before invoking the tricky subroutine, but it's an interesting thought.
Mar-16-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Patriot: <OhioChessFan> <I don't know if an eval factor could include an appeal to the type of position on the board before invoking the tricky subroutine, but it's an interesting thought.> You make a good point about open/closed positions. I guess you could set a global variable such as "OpenPosition = True" after a central pawn capture is made for example. And then that logic could be used along with search depth to determine if "Trick_Eval()", which is more complex, should be executed.

It's been years since I've done any real programming and I miss the creativity behind it.

Apr-18-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Event added:
Zurich 2014, won by Magnus Carlsen. His new career wins list:

Career tournament wins of Carlsen:
Wijk an Zee 2008, 2010, 2013
Baku 2008
Aerosvit 2008
Nanjing 2009, 2010
London 2009, 2010, 2012
Bazna 2010, 2011
Biel 2011
Bilbao 2011, 2012
Moscow 2011, 2012
Candidates 2013
Sinquefield Cup 2013
Zurich 2014

Events excluded: Biel 2007 (insufficient strength)

Apr-18-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Tournament added: Candidates 2014, won by Vishy Anand.

Updated career tournament wins of Anand:
Corus 1989, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2006
Dortmund 2004
Reggio Emilia 1992
Linares 1998, 2007, 2008
Alekhine 1992
Gronigen 1993
Biel 1997
Dos Hermanas 1997
Belgrade 1997
Madrid 1993, 1998
Tilburg 1998
Mexico City 2007
Baden-Baden 2013
Candidates 2014

Events excluded: Open tournaments from his youth, World Cup 2000 (insufficient strength), Dortmund 1996 (lost on tiebreak), Dortmund 2000 (lost on tiebreak)

Apr-18-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Tournament added: Wijk an Zee 2014, won by Levon Aronian

Career supertournament wins of Levon Aronian:
Linares 2006
Wijk an Zee 2007, 2008, 2012
Sochi 2008
Nalchik 2009
Bilbao 2009
Tal Memorial 2010
Alekhine 2013
Wijk an Zee 2014

Events excluded: Tal Memorial 2006, 2011 (lost both on tiebreak)

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