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Kinghunt
Member since Oct-26-08 · Last seen Feb-01-15
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Career supertournament wins by player
Updated 28 January, 2015

Kasparov: 40
Karpov: ?
Kramnik: 23
Anand: 23
Topalov: 22
Carlsen: 22
Ivanchuk: 15
Gelfand: 13
Aronian: 10
Caruana: 6
Karjakin: 4
Grischuk: 1
Nakamura: 1
Andreikin: 1

My definition of supertournament is quite broad: any closed international event with at least two players who have been in the top 10 in the last year constitutes a supertournament. Neither matches nor rapid/blitz events count as supertournaments, regardless of who is playing.

If there is a tie for first, it will be counted for all players involved unless the tournament used tiebreaks, in which case only the player they declared winner gets to count it. Please see posts below for details on the events considered but not counted for this list.

Also, for what it's worth, in case of a tie, the first player to reach X supertournament wins will remain listed higher.

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   Kinghunt has kibitzed 4302 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Feb-01-15 Kinghunt chessforum (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <dumbgai> In general, if I do not have a player listed, it is because I have not looked at them. I am sure Leko won several events in his career. <sinusitis> I am not including matches, and I consider KO events like the World Cup to be much closer to a series of matches
 
   Jan-31-15 Tradewise Gibraltar (2015) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <Kinghunt: <HeMateMe: is it Wei/Nak, next round? WAY cool. Watch Nak decide to "teach the kid a lesson," get overextended and lose the game. You heard it here, first.> I bet you 100000:1 Nakamura doesn't beat Wei Yi tomorrow morning.> It seems I misread your post, but ...
 
   Jan-29-15 Carlsen-Anand World Championship (2014) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: When the last game of a world championship match doesn't even need to be played, somebody got stomped. Simple as that. Of all the top players, I think only Caruana has a reasonable chance of defeating Carlsen in 2016. However, I am less certain of his ability to win the Candidates.
 
   Jan-26-15 Wesley So (replies)
 
Kinghunt: Wesley So surpassed my expectations, not only in his final score, but also in the quality of his play. Congratulations!
 
   Jan-26-15 Tata Steel (2015) (replies)
 
Kinghunt: Very impressive win by Carlsen. He was making some of his worry - he went two tournaments in a row before this finishing only in second place. Of his 30 tournaments since Nanjing 2009, he has only failed to win at least one of two consecutive tournaments three times (3rd at London ...
 
   Jan-25-15 Carlsen vs I Saric, 2015 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: Carlsen may not hold grudges, but regardless of the tournament situation, he never backs down when he smells blood in the water. Saric is the bottom seed, and has been performing even below his rating. Carlsen will not let an opportunity like this slip by. He probably won't take ...
 
   Jan-25-15 Magnus Carlsen (replies)
 
Kinghunt: <I hope [Carlsen] keeps his crown until Wei Yi gets big (or someone completely unknown right now rises).> You may not be waiting too long. With a win tomorrow, Wei Yi will be rated 2700. To get into the next candidates, he has to make the World Cup finals, which is obviously ...
 
   Jan-25-15 I Saric vs R Wojtaszek, 2015 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: Absolutely no way Wojtaszek's 26...g6 was prep. The move times suggest it could have been (Wojtaszek spent less than a minute on that move and only two minutes in elapsed clock time up to that point), but there's no getting around the fact that it's just a bad move. At d=30, ...
 
   Jan-10-15 Ding Liren vs Caruana, 2015 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: What is the point of 31. f5? It looks like it just gives up a pawn for little to no compensation, and my engine concurs, but surely there was some idea behind it, even if it didn't end up working.
 
   Jan-10-15 Carlsen vs W So, 2015 (replies)
 
Kinghunt: Carlsen will play 1.e4, Wesley So will respond with a Berlin, and there's a 50-50 chance Carlsen will manage to break through.
 
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Dec-14-14  sinusitis: Just read on chess24.com that Anand won three supertournaments in 2014.
Dec-17-14
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  Kinghunt: 35...Bc7

(#11) Depth: 31/31 00:00:37 53089kN
36.Rxc7 gxh5 37.e7+ Ke8 38.Bd7+ Kf7 39.Rc8 Rxc8 40.Bxc8 Rf2+ 41.Kg3 Rf3+ 42.Kxf3 Ke8 43.Bb7 g6 44.Bxc6+ Kf7 45.e8Q+ Kg7 46.Re7#

Dec-17-14
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  Kinghunt: Bishop moves previously analyzed:

35...Ba5: #13
35...Bc5: #11 36.bxc5 gxh5 37.Kg2 hxg4 38.Kxf1 Ke8 39.Rxa7 h6 40.gxh6 Ra8 41.Rxa8+ Ke7 42.hxg7 Kf6 43.g8Q Kf5 44.Qxg4+ Kf6 45.e7 Kf7 46.Rf8#

Currently analyzing 35...Bd8

Other moves I plan to analyze: Bd4, Be3, Bf2, Bg1 (feel free to pick any of these for your own analysis, just post saying that you're doing so so we don't duplicate efforts).

Dec-17-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Bd8 is taking my little machine a really long time to solve, I am moving on and hopefully someone else can take care of that one.

Bd4:
(#12) Depth: 35/46 00:04:46 457mN
36.e7+ Ke8 37.Rexd4 Rf5 38.Bxf5 gxf5 39.Kg3 c5 40.bxc5 h6 41.Kf4 Rc8 42.Kxf5 Rxc5+ 43.Ke6 Re5+ 44.Kxe5 Kf7 45.Rxa7 hxg5 46.Rd8 g6 47.e8Q#

Be3:
(#12) Depth: 34/49 00:13:22 1209mN
36.hxg6 Rf2+ 37.Kg3 hxg6 38.Rxe3 Rf1 39.Rxa7 Ke8 40.e7 c5 41.Bd7+ Kf7 42.Bc6 Kg8 43.Bd5+ Kh7 44.Kg2 Rf2+ 45.Kxf2 Rf8+ 46.exf8N+ Kh8 47.Rh3#

Bf2:
(#12) Depth: 36/62 00:34:05 5410mN
36.Kg2 Rc1 37.Rf4+ Ke8 38.Rxf2 Rc4 39.Kh3 Rc2 40.Rff7 Rd2 41.Rxd2 Rd8 42.Rdd7 Rxd7 43.exd7+ Kxf7 44.d8Q gxh5 45.Qd7+ Kf8 46.Be6 h6 47.Qf7#

Bg1+:
(#17) Depth: 39/60 00:37:58 9114mN
36.Kg2 Rf5 37.Bxf5 gxf5 38.Re5 Ke8 39.Kxg1

Other lines previously solved:
35...Ba5: #13

35...Bc5: #11 36.bxc5 gxh5 37.Kg2 hxg4 38.Kxf1 Ke8 39.Rxa7 h6 40.gxh6 Ra8 41.Rxa8+ Ke7 42.hxg7 Kf6 43.g8Q Kf5 44.Qxg4+ Kf6 45.e7 Kf7 46.Rf8#

35...Bc7: #11 36.Rxc7 gxh5 37.e7+ Ke8 38.Bd7+ Kf7 39.Rc8 Rxc8 40.Bxc8 Rf2+ 41.Kg3 Rf3+ 42.Kxf3 Ke8 43.Bb7 g6 44.Bxc6+ Kf7 45.e8Q+ Kg7 46.Re7#

This leaves Bd8 as the only bishop move we don't have an explicit mate announcement for. Most, if not all of these lines can probably be improved - I moved on to the next as soon as I saw a mate declaration.

Dec-24-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to you & yours <Kinghunt>! :)
Dec-25-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  wordfunph: <Kinghunt> Merry Christmas!
Jan-22-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Time odd match results:

As a subject of curiosity, I have started a series of time odds matches between different engines, all with Stockfish 5. Here are some of the results:

+12 -6 =2 against SOS 5.1 (2559) at 100:1 time odds (10 minutes vs 6 seconds)

+13 -4 =3 against Spike 1.2 (2746) at 10:1 time odds (10 minutes vs 1 minute)

I should note that I am running Stockfish on a single core, and on a single core it is rated 3205 (vs 3284 on 4 CPUs)

Jan-25-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Kinghunt: Tournaments added: Bilbao 2014 and London Classic 2014, both won by Vishy Anand.

Updated career tournament wins of Anand:
Corus 1989, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2006
Dortmund 2004
Reggio Emilia 1992
Linares 1998, 2007, 2008
Alekhine 1992
Gronigen 1993
Biel 1997
Dos Hermanas 1997
Belgrade 1997
Madrid 1993, 1998
Tilburg 1998
Mexico City 2007
Baden-Baden 2013
Candidates 2014
Bilbao 2014
London 2014

Events excluded: Open tournaments from his youth, World Cup 2000 (insufficient strength), Dortmund 1996 (lost on tiebreak), Dortmund 2000 (lost on tiebreak)

Jan-25-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Event added:
Wijk an Zee 2015, won by Magnus Carlsen.

Career tournament wins of Carlsen:
Wijk an Zee 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015
Baku 2008
Aerosvit 2008
Nanjing 2009, 2010
London 2009, 2010, 2012
Bazna 2010, 2011
Biel 2011
Bilbao 2011, 2012
Tal Memorial 2011, 2012
Candidates 2013
Sinquefield Cup 2013
Zurich 2014
Gashimov Memorial 2014

Events excluded: Biel 2007 (insufficient strength)

Jan-25-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: Events added: Baku 2014, won jointly by Caruana and Gelfand, Sinquefield Cup 2014, won by Caruana, and Tashkent 2014, won by Andreikin

Career tournament wins of Andreikin:
Tashkent 2014

Career supertournament wins of Fabiano Caruana:
Dortmund 2012, 2014
Zurich 2013
Paris 2013
Baku 2014
Sinquefield Cup 2014

Events excluded: Bilbao 2012 (lost tiebreak playoff), Sigeman 2012 and Reykjavik 2012 (insufficient strength)

Career supertournament wins of Boris Gelfand:
Biel 1993
Dos Hermanas 1994
Belgrade 1995
Tilburg 1996
Vienna 1996
Rubinstein Memorial 1998, 2000
Malmo 1999
Cannes 2002
London Grand Prix 2012
Tal Memorial 2013
Baku Grand Prix 2014

Events excluded: Wijk an Zee 1992, Pamplona 2004, Bermuda 2005, Biel 2005, New Horizons 2010 (no other top 10 players), Alekhine Memorial 2013 (lost on tiebreak)

Jan-25-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: <+12 -6 =2 against SOS 5.1 (2559) at 100:1 time odds (10 minutes vs 6 seconds) >

Unbelievable. 6 seconds against GM strength?!

Jan-26-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <OhioChessFan: <+12 -6 =2 against SOS 5.1 (2559) at 100:1 time odds (10 minutes vs 6 seconds) > Unbelievable. 6 seconds against GM strength?!>

Essentially, yes. However, to be more precise, at 6 seconds, it appears to roughly as strong as a GM playing a 10 minute game. This suggests that to be GM strength at tournament time controls, Stockfish needs approximately 1 minute of total time. (The precise amount may be higher or lower, depending on the precise class of GM you want it to match and the hardware you're running it on.)

Given these results, and some hardware benchmarks that I've seen, I imagine that running on a modern octocore i7, Stockfish could probably take on any human in the world on equal terms with roughly one minute of total time for the game. (And ponder off, obviously, or time odds wouldn't make sense.)

Jan-26-15  Nf8: <With this victory, Carlsen moves up to 22 total supertournament wins. He has just passed the career total of Veselin Topalov (21) and is only one victory away from catching up with Anand and Kramnik (both have 23). For details, please visit my forum.>

Not that it really matters about the essential point regarding Carlsen in comparison to the older generation, but I think he "only" just caught up with Topalov:-) In your count of his tournament victories (Kinghunt chessforum) you’ve actually omitted his most memorable one, San Luis 2005 (the FIDE World Championship)… Btw, in your count of Gelfand’s wins the Paris GP 2013 (which he won jointly with Caruana) is missing.

Jan-26-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <Nf8> I aim to keep records as accurate as possible, but I obviously miss a few events here and there. Thank you for your kind corrections, I will update the respective lists and totals of Gelfand and Topalov immediately.
Jan-26-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: New tournament added: Paris Grand Prix 2013, won jointly by Gelfand and Caruana (previously credited only to Caruana)

Career supertournament wins of Boris Gelfand:
Biel 1993
Dos Hermanas 1994
Belgrade 1995
Tilburg 1996
Vienna 1996
Rubinstein Memorial 1998, 2000
Malmo 1999
Cannes 2002
London Grand Prix 2012
Tal Memorial 2013
Paris Grand Prix 2013
Baku Grand Prix 2014

Events excluded: Wijk an Zee 1992, Pamplona 2004, Bermuda 2005, Biel 2005, New Horizons 2010 (no other top 10 players), Alekhine Memorial 2013 (lost on tiebreak)

Tournament added: San Luis 2005, won by Topalov
Updated career supertournament wins of Veselin Topalov: Madrid 1993, 1996, 1997 (shared) Dos Hermanas 1996 (shared)
Amsterdam 1996 (shared)
Vienna 1996 (shared)
Novgorod 1996
Leon 1996 (shared)
Antwerp 1997
Cannes 2002
Benidorm 2003
San Luis 2005
Sofia 2005, 2006, 2007
Wijk an Zee 2006 (shared), 2007 (shared)
Bilbao 2008
Nanjing 2008
Linares 2010
Grand Prix London 2012 (shared)
Grand Prix Zug 2013 (shared)

Jan-28-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: I always follow with interest the records of tournaments won. Just so you know someone out here appreciates your efforts.
Jan-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: The discussion on the Gibralter page about Topalov and his strategy to get to the Candidates has made me think again about how I would design it, if I were in charge. So read on for my musings on the subject, if you are interested.

I have two basic ideas that underlie most of my proposal. First, it is much easier to pick a handful of players containing the best challenger than it is to determine which of them is that best challenger. In other words, the part of the Candidates system most in need of optimizing is selecting the Candidates in the first place, but rather deciding which of them is the best challenger. And second, it is difficult to find event sponsors, as evidenced by the shortening of the Grand Prix. "Frivolous" events should therefore be excluded when possible.

So, given these considerations, what would my system look like? I propose a six player quadruple round robin (20 rounds total) composed of the following players:

1. Loser of previous world championship match
2. "Norms"-style rating qualifier
3. Average rating-based qualifier
4. World Cup winner
5. World Cup runner-up
6. Organizer nominee

I think 1, 4, 5, and 6 are all self-explanatory, but my rating qualifiers require some explanation. In short, the "norms" qualifier is selected by (repeated) peak performance, while the average rating qualifier is selected by consistency. Both involve defining a time window, which I imagine as continuous 2-year periods (ie, 2014-2015 is the time window for the 2016 candidates, 2016-2017 for 2018 candidates, etc).

The "norms"-style qualifier is the player who has the best average TPR over any three tournaments played in the last two years (weighted by tournament length). Any FIDE-rated player and any FIDE-rated events are eligible for consideration here. This is a way to reward risk-taking players who have both good and bad events, as well as players who simply compete in a lot of events, and players that have recently gained more strength than their rating reflects. Minimum 24 games over the three selected events.

The average rating qualifier is simpler. It is the simple average of live rating over the whole time period, weighted by games. Thus, a 10 game tournament will contribute 10 live ratings to the weighted average, while a two month period of inactivity will not contribute anything. This rewards players who are able to maintain their high level of play over a sustained period of time. Minimum of 60 games over the two year time window.

The organizer nominee must have entered the top 10 at some point during the time period under consideration (unofficial live ratings okay).

Now, while I do not believe the World Cup is a particularly good way to qualify players, I understand the appeal of a KO format as well as the idea it embodies that anybody can get into the Candidates if they are good enough. Plus, I think the "best" player is extremely likely to either be the defeated previous challenger or win one of the rating slots, so it is not of the utmost importance if a "wrong" player gets a spot via the world cup. Even so, I would suggest making the last three rounds two games longer (so 4, 4, and 6 game matches), and partially compensate in terms of total length by eliminating the first round and just cutting the field size to 64. As far as I know, nobody seeded in the bottom half has ever made it past the third round, much less anywhere close to the finals, so that should not cause any significant problems and may actually make organization easier.

And, just to avoid the technicalities FIDE is currently allowing... the reigning world champion is ineligible to earn a Candidates spot for any reason.

With the candidates selected, the tournament itself can finally begin. It will be a quadruple round robin event, for a total of 20 rounds. While this is a long event, I think it is reasonable - the current Candidates format is 14 games, while the World Cup is 16 games plus any tiebreaks along the way. With enough rest days, I do not think 20 rounds is an unreasonable length.

A longer event also makes ties less likely. However, should there be a tie, it may be broken with head-to-head score. If that is even, there will be a rapid playoff match consisting of up to 12 games (6 guaranteed plus up to 3 additional pairs if needed the following day), and a classical 'bidding' armageddon if that is still not decisive.

Jan-29-15
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  Kinghunt: That leaves just decisions about the title match itself. I think the most important thing about the title match should be that it does not go the way of Anand-Gelfand, where both players are content to draw all the classical games and the title is decided on rapid tiebreak. There are a couple ways to solve this, but they all revolve around the same idea: the match winner should be declared immediately after the final classical game, and both players should know in advance who will win if the classical games are drawn.

My proposed solution is very simple: play tiebreaks (as described above) before the match. It will warm up both the players and the audience and strongly motivate at least one of the players to try for a win in the classical games. It will create much more tension throughout the entire match. Plus, it guarantees that the deciding moment in a match, the final game, will happen in a classical game, not a rapid/blitz one.

Finally, I would also support slightly lengthening the match - from 12 games to 16. This is enough to make slightly more room for mistakes, hopefully allowing the players to play a little more freely and give us (the spectators) a little more to watch, while still not being any type of drastic change.

Jan-29-15  EeEk: <Kinghunt> Is the date of last update correct? If so, it's time to update the list! :)

I suppose Carlsen and Anand should have one event added, and Caruana at least two?

Jan-29-15  EeEk: Ah, I see it's included, so I suppose only the date needs to be updated. :)

Good work!

Jan-29-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: I can't be sure I didn't miss anything in my updates, but as far as I know, the list is now current, and I have just fixed the date on it to reflect this. Thanks for pointing that out.
Jan-29-15  dumbgai: Have you not examined Leko, or has he never won a super-tournament? If it's the latter, I guess we can truly say he was the elite drawmaster.
Feb-01-15  sinusitis: Are you including knockout events such as the FIDE WC ones and now Gibraltar?
Feb-01-15
Premium Chessgames Member
  Kinghunt: <dumbgai> In general, if I do not have a player listed, it is because I have not looked at them. I am sure Leko won several events in his career.

<sinusitis> I am not including matches, and I consider KO events like the World Cup to be much closer to a series of matches than a tournament. This is especially true since so many matchups are decided by rapid/blitz.

Gibralter, however, is not a KO event, but a Swiss open. In general, there are extremely few Swiss opens strong enough to even think about including. However, with Topalov, Nakamura, and Svidler all at Gibralter, it is a very difficult event to win. That said, I did define a supertournament as a <closed> event when I started this list. So I am of two minds and have not yet decided if this should be included.

Feb-01-15  EeEk: <Kinghunt> I used your list in an article for chess24: https://chess24.com/en/read/news/ca...

Eyal01 points out that for Topalov, Antwerp 1997 was not strong enough (no players except Topalov among top 10) and Benidorm was a rapid event. So the correct number for him should be 20, no 22.

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