User Profile: M61MG Wrestler

M61MG Wrestler
Member since Jun-28-09 · Last seen Sep-27-12

A forum for wrestling with the truth about the 2008 publication, "My 61 Memorable Games."
The book's authorship is in dispute, but words on the cover say "Bobby Fischer"--and that's where the wrestling match begins. Kibitzes on this page originally were posted to the Mrs. Alekhine discussion forum, which has now been returned to its original purpose. All posts are welcome, and only Chessgames.com normal kibitzing rules are in effect.
<///////Brief Kibitz History to Date\\\\\\>
Links to important debates/revelations (Please suggest improvements or corrections)
(Note: Links within CG.COM may not direct properly if you have users on ignore.)
10. Dec 2007 Book Announced for Sale
Posts from this time period on CG.com removed by Admins. Pls suggest other links. External refs:
<GothicInventor> 15Dec,2007 <Ed Trice> First mentions book: http://hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic....
Chessvibes:- http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/l...
Chess.com:- http://www.chess.com/forum/view/gen...
15. GeaxCool's Auction Research
M61MG Wrestler chessforum
20. Jan22,2008 First Surviving Mention of MG61MG on CG.COM Robert James Fischer
30.Mar23,2008 <Edward Labate> cites Larry Evans Robert James Fischer
Evans 1st M61MG Article http://main.uschess.org/content/vie...
Evans 2nd M61MG Article http://main.uschess.org/content/vie...
40. Mar 26, 2008: <Ed Trice> proposes the real "Helgi" http://z13.invisionfree.com/Gothic_...
50. User: hackmate Joins Chessgames
<Hackmate> introduces himself as a flight attendant Robert James Fischer
60. First reported ownership of book
Robert James Fischer
Pictures of book
http://s542.photobucket.com/albums/...
http://my61memorablegames.files.wor...
70. User <Joshka> receives his copy of book Robert James Fischer
80. Jan19,2009 <chancho> links <hackmate> to <Art Hamilton> Travis Bickle chessforum
90. <Hackmate> defends the Fischer as author Robert James Fischer
100. Jan 30-Feb2 2009 Big Discussion Days
Robert James Fischer
Noteworthy: <James Demery> challenge with <hackmate> reply Robert James Fischer
110. Actual Authorship Essays
Mar04,2009 <JonD'SouzaEva>on Chesstalk thread, proposes real author http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/sho... (Also see Labate's post in same thread)
http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/sho...
Aug09,2009 <JusttoClarify> gives rough timeline M61MG Wrestler chessforum
120. First use of "M61MG"
M61MG Wrestler chessforum
130. Mar03,2009<IMlday> Quotes his column on M61MG Lawrence Day
140. <IMlday> Discusses book and authorship
Mar04,2009 Robert James Fischer
Mar13,2009 Robert James Fischer
May03,2009 M61MG Wrestler chessforum
Aug06,2009 M61MG Wrestler chessforum
<Lively discussions follow each post>
150. Mar04,2009 <Joshka> announces Crag's List sale Robert James Fischer
160. Mar18-Mar20 2009-: <Ed Trice> explains events to <Jim Bartle> Ed Trice
170. <Edward Labate> Sums up the Opposing POV M61MG Wrestler chessforum
180. Edward Labate's page Defensive Exposé
http://www.edwardlabatecards.com/61...
<///Similarity of Kibitzers <Ed Trice> and <hackmate>\\\>
210. "Post your name" challenge 1 Robert James Fischer = challenge 2 Lawrence Day
220. Accusation pattern: Ed Trice & Hackmate: "How does it Feel"
Robert James Fischer = M61MG Wrestler chessforum (copy used because <Ed Trice> forum is closed)
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If you know of an important milestone, event, or kibitz on M61MG, please suggest it for inclusion in the links above. Good links will go up here (your post with the suggestion will be removed).
</////OTHER SITES\\\\\>
Wikipedia:Talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:M...

Chess Ninja: http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt... (note posts by <hoaxingfool>)

   M61MG Wrestler has kibitzed 22 times to chessgames [more...]

   Sep-27-12 M61MG Wrestler chessforum

M61MG Wrestler: === It would be interesting to know how many of the former wrestlers on this forum are now one of the 500+ "connections" of <Ed Trice> on his "linked in" account: http://www.linkedin.com/in/edtrice Highly unlikely that he has been back to Chessgames.com. Anyone ...

   Sep-27-12 Adams vs Gelfand, 2012

M61MG Wrestler: Whereas Adams is seventh place....he needs to try harder. :)

   Feb-15-12 Robert James Fischer

M61MG Wrestler: <=== UGH ===> <Joshka: <rannewman> Those notes were collected and written over decades, and according to reports I've read, they ...

   Jun-23-11 jessicafischerqueen chessforum

M61MG Wrestler: New entry on my forum. ;-)

   Aug-12-09 chessgames.com chessforum

M61MG Wrestler: In my profile I am having difficulty getting certain lines to separate, without adding a blank line in between. How can I ensure that a line of text starts on a new line? Here is an example that DOES NOT SEPARATE with a carriage return: Evans 1st M61MG Article ...

   Jul-25-09 Kibitzer's Café

M61MG Wrestler: /////NO ONE BANNED\\\\\ Reminder to all: If you want to discuss or investigate the book "My 61 Memorable Games", I invite you to visit my ...

   Jul-25-09 Shirov vs R Panjwani, 2009

M61MG Wrestler: /////NO ONE BANNED\\\\\ If you want to discuss or investigate the book "My 61 Memorable Games", I invite your to visit my chessforum, on which no ...

   Jul-03-09 H Olafsson vs P Smirnov, 2008

M61MG Wrestler: ////LINKS NEEDED\\\\ I'm looking for good links to headline the "Uncovering the Truth" page. See the short kibitz history on my forum. Improvements

   Jun-29-09 chancho chessforum

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   Jun-29-09 Lawrence Day

M61MG Wrestler: New location for discussing "My 61 Mem Games", including all* previous posts on that topic from Mrs. Alekhine's forum. Click my Avatar to join in. Anyone is welcome. *some pruning has occurred on irrelevant posts.

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Apr-28-11		M61MG Wrestler: <///////Retrospective\\\\\\> Accounts that were "flushed into the open" <hackmate> Last post=May26, 2009 (M61MGWrestler) Abandoned accounts: <Edward Labate> Last post=May 29, 2009 (M61MGWrestler) <GeauxCool> Last post=June 16, 2009 (M61MGWrestler) Accounts that went dormant within 1 month of <Ed Trice> disappearing from CG.com: <Ed Trice> Last post=Aug3 2009 (Anatoli Karpov) <danfreely> Last post=Aug 1 2009 (M61MGWrestler) <sharro> Last post=Aug 4, 2009 (M61MGWrestler) <robmtchl> Last post=Sep8 2009 ( (M61MGWrestler) Disappeared Trice-Whackers: <MageofMaple> Last post=Oct6, 2009 (M61MGWrestler) <JustToClarify> Last post=Nov9,2009 (M61MGWrestler) Still Active (somewhere): <Joshka> <Chancho> <Jim Bartle> <Blacksburg> <Colonel Mortimer> <MrMelad> <IMlday> <capatal> <NakoSonorense> <Travis Bickle> <JonDSouzaEva> <jessicafischerqueen> <riverbeast> <Shams> <Me> and many others.....

May-26-11		PinnedPiece: Two more abandoned accounts (Dec 2008) that discussed the book with Hackmate, in a manner that would suggest a sockpuppet audience: <missing kasparov> and <deep guppy> .

Jun-23-11		M61MG Wrestler: <=== IMPORTANT NOTE ===> CG.COM has given the M61MG Wrestler forum an honorary lifetime membership. This page has gone permanent. .

Jun-25-11		jessicafischerqueen: Congratulations! And hats off to CG.com to turn this fine forum into a shrine. You guys not only saved the Fischer page, you saved people from buying a fake book all over the world.

Sep-08-11		robmtchl: I'm still here. Has anyone heard from Edward Labate?

Oct-14-11		Maatalkko: I agree that this page is a valuable public service. I somehow missed this entire controversy, probably because I was busy getting a master's degree around this time. At first the idea of M61MG sounded interesting and kinda plausible. With Fischer you can always expect the unexpected. However, the unspeakably awful writing sample on page 5 is enough to bury it for me.

Nov-29-11		robmtchl: Edward is alive and well and has recovered well. Edward Labate National Chess Master Athens, AL 35611 edwardlabatechess@charter.net and his new website; http://edwardlabatechess.com/cart/i...

Dec-01-11		JustToClarify: I haven't posted here since 2009 ever since we chased Trice from the chess community. But, I thought of Tirce when I read a story that went far and wide in the blogosphere this week about one Marc Stephens, who used nearly the same tactics Trice does to silence his critics: http://rhysmorgan.co/2011/11/threat... Once this blog was posted, it spread like wildfile on the net, resulting in multiple articles in the mainstream press being posted about these despicable practices. Trice was damn lucky that stories about his attempts to stifle free speech were not as widely spread among bloggers and never made the mainstream press.

Feb-15-12		drkodos: The REAL republication of new edition of the original book was an important point in time as well and did much to settle the dust.

Feb-16-12		King Death: This <Ed Trice> sounds like a piece of work.

Feb-16-12		PinnedPiece: This discussion forum was created initially by <jessicaFischerQueen> as a place to debate the book instead of creating a disastrous climate on the Fishcer page, which newcomers would be likely to visit, then scamper away in a hurry because of the curses and harangues going on there because of the M61MG controversy. Just now <Joshka> has reintroduced the topic and once again it threatens to create an unpleasant environment there. On this page, unpleasantness is tolerated (and expected) in regards to the book. Some will recall that a couple users were actually prevented from posting on the Fischer page by the CG.com admins. This forum was the alternative. .

Feb-17-12		OhioChessFan: I went back to page 5 and read the excerpt. <riverbeast> comment on it is the end of the story: <The crap in '61MG' is the typical prose (I've seen it hundreds of times before) of someone TRYING to sound smart...And failing miserably>

Feb-17-12		technical draw: <OCF> I agree with <riverbeast>. People trying to sound smart just obfuscate their prose.

Feb-20-12		JustToClarify: You know, I really wish Joshka and IMDay would just give up already. They are holding on to it longer than Trice has (Trice put the nail in the coffin of his involvement with the chess community when he took down the Gothic Chess web site a few weeks ago; while he still owns the domain, the page now points to a GoDaddy domain parking page) Joshka, IMDay: You guys lost. My 61 Memorial Games was yet another Trice scam; Fischer had nothing to do with it. Stop kicking the dead horse already. Holding on to this and starting a years-dead flame war again just makes you two look foolish.

May-22-12		PinnedPiece: Visual check for corrosion and dirty air. No action needed.

Sep-27-12		M61MG Wrestler: === It would be interesting to know how many of the former wrestlers on this forum are now one of the 500+ "connections" of <Ed Trice> on his "linked in" account: http://www.linkedin.com/in/edtrice Highly unlikely that he has been back to Chessgames.com. Anyone interested in a superfast CPU? ===

Apr-22-13		Gallicrow: Ed Trice is back and making new friends! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?t...

Apr-22-13		OhioChessFan: I've always said you can't trust that TD Bank: Wire transfers can be sent to: <TD Bank 657 Conchester Highway Boothwyn, PA 19061 610-485-2080>

Apr-22-13		Jim Bartle: A company paid for a supercomputer which wasn't delivered on time, and he can't get a refund, right? And it turns out the computer is not as powerful as advertised? The highly-laudable piece in the Inquirer turned out to be an ad and not an article? What am I missing?

Apr-22-13		technical draw: Important notice: Technical Draw is not now nor has ever been associated with TD bank. However if someone comes up with a cool Ponzi then I'm in.

Apr-23-13		JustToClarify: Ed Trice is now hated by the Bitcoin community: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?t...

Apr-23-13		OhioChessFan: User: Mercy

Apr-23-13		Jim Bartle: That is brutal. I like this post: "It is so sad that someone as great as Trice-a-roni has had such obsticles cast in his way. His university has no record of him graduating. The company he claims to work for is lost in the "Marvel" universe. He has been crushed by a car and divorced by a wife he never had. He lost Donald Trumps 15 million dollar debit card and then wonders why George Ross won't return his calls. He can't come up with the money for a retainer because he thinks folks should work for free. He travels to Iceland and gets sick when Fischer won't see him. Make two other trips back to Iceland( and meets Fischer but has no witinesses and then Fischer dies). His collaboration with Fischer on "my 61 memorable games" appears to have been ghost written with him by the imaginary Fischer he met with. The USCF has managed to screw up his rating, and only his, so badly that a 2277 rating claimed by Trice- a-roni can't peak above 1430 after five years of play!( The USCF program must have it in for him!) His Delorian stopped running after the professor took his flux capacitor and it spends it's life on blocks at his mommy's house"

Apr-23-13		Gallicrow: > JustToClarify: I wish I'd posted that... Wait a minute, I did!

Apr-23-13		Jim Bartle: Very nice, and you didn't even get into Gothic Chess and the multi-million dollar match with Karpov.

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