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|Jan-15-17|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <Phony Benoni> Congratulations, and get better soon!|
|Jan-16-17|| ||WannaBe: If we are to take the (subset) of ESPN votes, there will be 7 elected to HoF this Wednesday:|
|Jan-17-17|| ||playground player: Barry Bonds in the Hall of Fame--that's obscene.|
|Jan-17-17|| ||WannaBe: With HoF announcement tomorrow, you can test your knowledge here:|
I scored one right (out of 5), down to Single-A ball for me.
|Jan-17-17|| ||OhioChessFan: <pp: Barry Bonds in the Hall of Fame--that's obscene.>|
Don't worry. His head won't fit through the door.
|Jan-17-17|| ||OhioChessFan: I got 2 out of 5, <Wannabe>, the 30/20 and catcher. Tough questions. The reliever question I had no clue, and the other two were my second choice.|
|Jan-17-17|| ||Penguincw: On that quiz, I got 1/5; the closer one.
< Barry Bonds in the Hall of Fame--that's obscene. >
Agree. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Bonds in the HOF for obvious reasons, but at the same time, gotta consider 2 things: PEDs help, but they don't it all. It still takes a lot of skill to be able to hit a baseball. And secondly, I'm sure MLB attendance was declining seriously in the late 90s/early 00s, and all this steroid use I'm sure help boosted attendance, so I'll give them credit for that.
Even considering this, I still wouldn't vote for Bonds. I would vote for guys like Clemens and Big Mac though...
And of course, I'm still disgruntled that Pete Rose is banned from the HOF. While I don't condone what he did as a manager, I'd like the HOF to recognize his achievements as a <player>, not a manager.
|Jan-18-17|| ||OhioChessFan: 6 years ago you got the pun. Please, explain it to me.|
M Holly vs M Bezuch, 2000
|Jan-18-17|| ||WannaBe: Three got elected to HoF, J. Bagwell, T. Raines, and I. Rodriguez.|
|Jan-18-17|| ||WannaBe: Over 60% of ESPN (fan) voters said both Bonds and Clemens belong in the HoF. Unfortunately, it takes 75% to get in.|
|Jan-18-17|| ||WannaBe: Lookin' ahead to next year's newly eligible players:|
Chipper Jones, Jim Thome, Scott Rolen, Andruw Jones, Omar Vizquel, Johan Santana, Johnny Damon and Jamie Moyer.
|Jan-19-17|| ||saffuna: I thought Moyer was just hitting mid-career.
I see Chipper Jones getting in pretty quickly, and Thome and Vizquel in another year or two. Maybe more time for Vizquel. The others have little chance.
Thome hit 600 homers, productive for many years. I remember a Bill James evaluation early in his career something like "third baseman, gets on base, little power but might develop some."
|Jan-21-17|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Baseball Mavens> Here's a tough one for you:|
Who was the only player to lead his league in RBIs three times during the 1950s?
My hat's off to anybody who knows this!
|Jan-21-17|| ||saffuna: Ralph Kiner?|
|Jan-21-17|| ||Penguincw: <pgp>
If I had to make one guess, it would've been Willie Mays, but I had a bunch of secondary guesses: Berra, Mantle and Williams.
Looking up the answer, *spoiler* one of them is right, so yay.
|Jan-21-17|| ||playground player: <saffuna>, <penguincw> None of the above. Oddly, neither Mays nor Berra ever led the league in RBIs. Williams didn't do it in the 50s, and Mantle only once, in 1956. Ralph Kiner was a good guess, but no cigar.|
|Jan-21-17|| ||Penguincw: Ah, I'm a fool. While my guesses were just guesses (no research, just whatever baseball knowledge I knew in my brain), my proofreading/research skills were horrible. I looked up the answer on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...), but didn't read the table properly. I thought one column was AL leader, and the other NL leader, but it was actually AL leader, and then AL runner-up.|
Checking http://www.baseball-reference.com/l..., I can actually see the answer to the question, and I hadn't even heard of him before.
|Jan-22-17|| ||OhioChessFan: Ummmmmm, no chance on that one. I've never heard of him either. I got a nephew who claims to be a Hall of Famer in sports trivia. I'll see what he can come up with.|
|Jan-22-17|| ||saffuna: This player was a big sports hero in the Bay Area in the late 40s. High school prodigy, All-American running back at Cal. I heard about him a lot because he was in my grandmother's English class at Oakland Tech.|
He was a good player, 1958 MVP, but as far as all those RBIs go, he had Ted Williams getting on base about half the time ahead of him. (And Williams wasn't driving himself in that much in the 50s.)
His career was relatively short because he had a severer fear of flying, and retired because of it.
|Jan-22-17|| ||playground player: Jackie Jensen--ah, how quickly we forget!
<saffuna> Fear of flying, eh? I didn't know that. BTW, it always helps the RBI leader to have someone in front of him who gets on base a lot. But you still have to drive him in. Enzo Hernandez couldn't have done it.
Being old enough to remember, and living on the East Coast, I'd say Jackie Jensen got a pretty fair amount of recognition while he was active. I remember he was a contestant--against Rocky Colavito (remember him?)--on the old <Home Run Derby> TV show.
But now--Jackie who?
|Jan-22-17|| ||YouRang: Just saw the sad news this morning that Yordano Ventura, pitcher for the Royals was killed in a car accident. He was 25.|
|Jan-22-17|| ||saffuna: < it always helps the RBI leader to have someone in front of him who gets on base a lot. But you still have to drive him in.>|
He was definitely a good player. I was just suggesting why he led the whole AL in RBIs three times, ahead of Mantle, Williams and others.
I saw the Red Sox play once, against the immortal San Francisco Seals in 1957. Willimas in left (in front of us), Jensen in right, and Jimmy Piersall in center. He did not climb the screen.
|Jan-22-17|| ||Penguincw: Aww, RIP to Ventura.
Also heard that prospect Andy Marte also died in the Dominican Republic in an unrelated car crash: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/....
|Jan-22-17|| ||WannaBe: Very sad, another young life lost, reminds me of Oscar Taveras in 2014 (pitcher for StL), same thing car accident.|
|Jan-22-17|| ||MissScarlett: G H Wolbrecht vs E P Elliott, 1909|
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