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|May-19-13|| ||keypusher: Not to be rude, but why on earth is Ross Youngs in the HOF? I know, Veterans Committee. I don't recall hearing about that as one of the crazier selections before though.|
|May-19-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <keypusher> Well, there are several things:|
1) Good ballplayer with a .322 lifetime average who played on five pennant winners in his ten-year career;
2) Tragedy factor: died from Bright's Disease at the age of 30
3) New York bias; played entire career with the Giants;
4) The Veterans Committee which elected him in 1972 was made up of former teammates. Ahem.
|May-19-13|| ||perfidious: <keypusher>: You're not the only one who has wondered, and there are worse selections than Youngs in Cooperstown.|
The halo effect mentioned by <Phony Benoni> counts for something (it certainly got Earle Combs in, amongst others), though in my opinion, Youngs' career average-while good-was nothing special compared to the greatest players of the time. The 1920s saw bloated offensive numbers all round. Those were the days of Harry Heilmann and Rogers Hornsby hitting .400 multiple times each.
None of this would have been enough to see Youngs home but for the Veterans Committee, though.
|May-19-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Batting averages and power were so high in the 20s and 30s that a lot of players look better today than they were.|
|May-19-13|| ||perfidious: <Jim>: The converse is also true: Lefty Grove's career ERA (3.06, 180th) would be lucky to get him consideration, but the numbers he posted in the era were eye-popping, all in hitters' parks:|
|May-19-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I think people pay attention more to the gaudy win-loss records in that era, rather than ERA. Those certainly don't compare to Mathewson and others at the beginning of the century.|
|May-22-13|| ||Phony Benoni: Probably not exactly the way he would have chosen to go out, but ending as a Bear was the right thing to do:|
|May-22-13|| ||Travis Bickle: You're right Phony, The Bears didn't have enough class to sign him to a final deal. |
P.S. Take care pal, let me know if somebody's bothering you.
|May-23-13|| ||perfidious: <Phony Benoni>: Seems to me Urlacher had tried to sign with Minnesota, but their interest at his price was lukewarm at best. Never heard anything more until the retirement announcement.|
Urlacher was a terrific player and is Canton-bound.
|May-23-13|| ||Phony Benoni: <Travis> Everything's fine. Some days are just quieter than others.|
However, I note with some glee that Miguel Cabrera leads Mike Trout in the All-Important WAR stat, 2.6 to 1.9.
|May-23-13|| ||perfidious: <Phony Benoni>: That makes Trout the early frontrunner for MVP, don't you know.|
|May-23-13|| ||Shams: How's that Michael Piņeda <-> Jesus Montero trade looking now?|
|May-23-13|| ||perfidious: <Shams>: Two can't-miss prospects who are missing out, aplenty.|
|May-23-13|| ||Shams: <perfidious> The Mariners seem to have a knack for helping can't-miss players miss. The one that really hurts is Ackley, but Smoak and Montero are let-downs for sure.|
|May-23-13|| ||perfidious: <Shams>: That ballpark does nothing to help their hitters (while, conversely, giving their mound mates a hand).|
Montero is young; maybe he'll come round with the bat in time, and the same with Smoak.
|May-23-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I read that Griffey Jr. hit a long fly which was caught when the stadium was in its first year, came back to the bench and said, "Get me out of here!"|
|May-23-13|| ||Shams: 'Ol Smoaky is 26 and per team observers has lost some bat speed the last couple years. It seems like if he was going to make it, he would have made it by now. I think maybe there's a bit less disappointment with him among the fans because we are used to power guys not working out, for the reason you mention, <perfidious>. |
Remember Adrian Beltre as a Mariner? He slugged the heck out of the ball in L.A., then his power disappeared at Safeco after the Mariners spent a fortune on him. It's kind of expected that power guys underperform in Seattle, and we don't seem to care much that they don't hit homers on the road either, even though it doesn't make sense that they don't.
Montero is a man without a position, so his numbers need to be quite a bit better to justify him at DH, no?
Anyway, Ackley was the big hope, because of draft position and a good offensive profile without a reliance on homers. But he looks paralyzed at the plate. And then there's Brendan Ryan, who hasn't even been near the Mendoza line this year (and not from the right side, either.) On the bright side, he stars in the first Mariners commercial to amuse me in five years.
I think the Mariners should move Iwakuma.
|May-23-13|| ||WannaBe: 12-3 final and we have a save, that's right. 12-3.
|May-24-13|| ||Phony Benoni: Ah, yes. the old 3-inning save. But what would you say to a 7-inning save?|
Not that he deserved it, giving up a hit and all.
|May-24-13|| ||Jim Bartle: I wonder what happened in that game, with the starter Myette throwing twice at the first batter and getting ejected. Then van Poppel was relieved after two hitless innings.|
|May-24-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Hadn't noticed that Rodriguez was hit in the top of the first, and it was on an 0-2 count. Plus there was a lot of tension between the teams in their previous series, and the umps warned them before the game.|
|May-24-13|| ||perfidious: <Jim>: Maybe it was on lines analogous to this famous 1917 no-hitter, long classed as a perfect game:|
|May-24-13|| ||Phony Benoni: Something I never noticed about that game before. Looks like the Red Sox catcher was ejected the same time as Ruth, so they brought in the notoriously weak-hitting Sam Agnew and he went 3-for-3 with two RBIs. Almost the player of the game.|
|May-24-13|| ||Phony Benoni: Hey, Travis, some better news from Da Land of Da Bears:|
|May-24-13|| ||Jim Bartle: Hard to believe Ditka hasn't been Bears coach for more than twenty years.|
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