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|Apr-30-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: <jessicafischerqueen:
...I hope people don't read my posts as if the estate of Marie Antoinette endorsed them.>
I read them while eating cake.
|Aug-16-16|| ||OhioChessFan: I read your comments in the cg.c forum and ran into some 3 year old comments about the same problem child. If I may, I find this contradictory:|
<Beyond a doubt <MF> seeks to sway others to his point of view and defends his actions by posting in various forums, yours included. Often, however, instead of simply telling him to stop, his comments are ignored or simply given a non-committal response. These non-committal responses are taken by <MF> as tacit approval of his actions and he continues with his disruptive ways. >
Summary: Not responding encourages him.
<I recognize that you have addressed both of them and implored them to stop, and you have noted that promising to stop is not the same as stopping. This is fine, but it is doomed to failure as each will continue to defend themselves in response to you....If we all stop talking about it and stop trying to make it stop, it will stop on its own.>
Summary: It's best to not respond to him.
Maybe it depends what day of the week it is, but I sway between those two at time also. I'm in a not respond mode right now.
I continue to be at a loss how the most disruptive kibitzer in this site's history, magnitudes the worst, yes, even far surpassing <AJ> and <tolengoy>, has such a following.
|Aug-16-16|| ||Robed.Bishop: <OCF> Thank you for stopping by. Without going back to the original posts, I cannot put those two quotes into context, but I certainly agree with you that they are contradictory. |
I don't want to get in a discussion over which poster was/is the most disruptive here at <CG>, but I also agree with you that he has to be in the top three. I recall being puzzled by Daniel's lack of action regarding <AJ>, but I was never involved or followed the <tolengoy> problem. Here, again I am puzzled by Daniel's patience.
I posted a short-lived note in the <CG> forum describing <UNF> as a drama queen, telling him to take responsibility for his part in this mess, and that the resolution of his problem is his simply leaving <CG>. Apparently, Daniel didn't think much of that post as it was swept up with the other debris.
I agree with most of what you have posted regarding the situation. I personally don't care who is right and who is wrong. I don't see, however, why this is being discussed in public at all. This attempt by <UNF> to "publicly shame" Daniel is simply distasteful. But he has the temperament and discretion of a child and this will repeat itself as he continues to aggravate people, again refusing to recognize that he plays a critical role in creating these messes.
I certainly don't condone the posting of links to family pictures, but I'm mindful of the fact that nobody would have known who they were (or actually ever seen them; after all, how many people here actually look at that stuff?) had not <UNF> told everyone he could find in order to express his indignation. Further, while most of our members may well not be aware that the AMA doesn't regulate the licensing of doctors (it is done by the individual states), anyone who cared enough to check could have easily done so before taking <UNF's> word on that "fact," a charge that he was repeating over and over again. Knowing that to be untrue, any uninterested observer would question the truth of his other statements. It's hard to overlook libel.
I have agreed with most of what you've said about the matter. As far as which direction is best now, I don't know. My posts on the subject have tended to fire it up simply so I can watch the fall out. After all, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If I'm going to be subjected to the noise, I might as well enjoy it.
I continue to have the option, however, of changing my mind and committing once again to the position that posting responses only prolongs the issue.
|Aug-17-16|| ||User not found: Well I'll bow out of this conversation <about me> leaving you one piece of advice. There's a button you can press where I magically vanish, it's called the ignore button. |
Oh yeah. ✌
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: Excuse me love..
Nakamura vs A J Goldsby, 2003
Robed.Bishop: <AJ> I don't care if those two users are Mark Finan,>
They most definitely were NOT. ✌
<<and I don't know why you are giving us your opinion. What do you want me or <other users to do about it?>>>
You like <thinking> you're in a majority don't ya? Picking on AJ Goldsby, you should be ashamed of yourself love. And okay if you're soooooo interested let's put it to the vote regarding me and <both> tpstar <and> Keyser Soze? I'll give them a 0-7 half time lead... LoserS leave the site for good? Let's get this done :)✌✌✌
<Go post it on the Teacher's Pet Forum.>>
Which teachers pet forum would that be then? The one you've just been to with an apple for teacher?
|Apr-05-17|| ||Robed.Bishop: I have no idea what the reference to a post I made to AJ is meant to convey, but it means nothing to me. Further, I didn't pick on AJ because I thought the majority thought it was okay, nor do I care if my opinion is the majority opinion now. |
My opinion of you as a troll isn't based solely on your dispute with tpstar, but on your continuing self-made problems here as a whole. As for taking sides, I think you're both in the wrong.
As you must know by now, I post what I want when I want. I don't care if you or others don't like my posts; I don't post to please others, nor would a popular vote change my opinion.
As for the rest of your post regarding a "Teacher's Pet Forum," I have no idea what that means. Given that before today I haven't posted since early February, I think you've confused me with someone else. Otherwise, see above.
So you have a nice day.
p.s. I was actually chuckling out loud when I posted on the "main page." Life is too short to pass up on all the fun. If it's any consolation to you, I doubt it will stay up long.
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: Hi <RB>
<As you must know by now, I post what I want when I want. I don't care if you or others don't like my posts; I don't post to please others, nor would a popular vote change my opinion.>
YES! I love that attitude! And yes life's too short for all this nonsense but things have happened recently that are beyond any flame war. I won't bore you with the details :)
A<s for the rest of your post regarding a "Teacher's Pet Forum," I have no idea what that means.>
Well you said it darling.
|Apr-05-17|| ||N0B0DY: <Robed.Bishop> Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon.|
No matter how good you are the bird is going to @#$% on your forum and strut around like it won anyway.
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: <N0B0DY: <Robed.Bishop> Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon.>|
It is?? I can't wait to read this exciting and well thought out analogy!! (PS. We're not arguing!)
<<<No matter how good you are the bird is going to @#$% on your forum and strut around like it won anyway.>>>>
LMAO 😂 😂 😂 😂 anyone for a memorable quote? Lol
|Apr-05-17|| ||Robed.Bishop: Nobody makes a point like <Nobody>! Your analogy might well take wind and fly the distance. Indeed, while I'm not adverse to feeding birds in the park, it does seem to end in a mess, doesn't it? |
Rest assured that I've scraped the excrement off my boot and I'm ready for a fresh stroll in the park. I wonder if I have any old bread?
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: <Robed.Bishop: Nobody makes a point like <Nobody>!>|
And Nobody pops up in the middle of a so called flame war like <NOBODY> either! He's harmless enough I guess....
I've just been looking though some of your old posts <RB>..You're <<worse>> than me when it comes to somehow winding people up the wrong way LOL. Do you want me to show you some of your best bits? I'll show you yours and you show me mine!!? C'mon RB.. I'm bored :)
|Apr-05-17|| ||Robed.Bishop: <Unf> No need. I acknowledge that I'm better at it than you.|
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: Wanna wager the princely sum of $27 (a membership) I can find more offensive posts of yours than you can mine, sweetheart? I <know> I'll win, lol.|
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: <Robed.Bishop: <Unf> No need. I acknowledge that I'm better at it than you.>|
Oh right. I read that wrong! Well I must say this is a genuinely new experience for me.. Someone who admits that they're more offensive than me! :)
|Apr-05-17|| ||Robed.Bishop: <Unf> I'm afraid that you'll have to follow the conversation a bit closer than that. I acknowledged that I am better at winding people up than you, not that I'm more offensive. I'm afraid the honor of more offensive belongs to you. |
You've worked hard for this distinction and you should wear it with pride.
|Apr-05-17|| ||User not found: You're probably right. I have a temper and sometimes I lose my rag. It's better than having a completely <lost> rag 24/7 like one or two people here though, right? As for being obnoxious and rude with no humour whatsoever towards people you don't know I think you thrash me... Want to play,? C'mon??|
|Aug-22-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: <R.B>
I already wrote about saturated fat in <morfishine>'s forum. Here is the link:
morfishine chessforum (kibitz #4876)
|Aug-23-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: <R.B.>
Thanks for the discussion.
|Aug-23-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: Anyway, thought you might enjoy this article from Mark's Daily Apple, the website by Mark Sisson. It is the definitive guide to edible oils.|
I actually thought about starting my own nutrition website, but he does such a great job that I don't want to even try to compete with him.
|Aug-24-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: <R.B> Your idea of home made wine vinegar sounds great! I am sure it has lots of healthy plant phytonutrients too.|
|Sep-12-18|| ||OhioChessFan: Posting here instead of the chessgames.com forum which I think should be left pretty much for site discussion.|
<Robed> here's my take, and I'll start by addressing <jbc> <jbc>, yeah, I get ya, there's a new sheriff in town, but who exactly elected or appointed him, or does the mere fact he had the keys to the courthouse and could get the badge out mean he's in charge? Well, yeah, that's a bit of a point, but making an issue of it strikes me as making a show of your cleverness in making the point. Life goes on, whether you score points or not. One way or another, he has the ability-even if not the truly warranted authority-to do what he's doing.
<Robed> I'll be as careful as possible in responding to you. I do not want anyone banned, that's not for me, it wouldn't bother me if some were, but I'm not calling for it. But if there were a game imposed on me, whereby I <had> to vote one person off this site, it would be <morfishine> And it would be an easy vote. And I am certain I wouldn't be the only one to cast that vote. His incredible coarseness and vulgarity and chiding and hypcocrisy and what have you are off the rails. I see a disconnect there, in that he apparently doesn't recognize how awful his behavior has been the last couple of years. To have a person like <that> going around and pushing buttons and blowing the whistle against people who are philosophically opposed to blowing the whistle is beyond infuriating. What exactly is one to do? IMHO, he's a punk who purposely provokes people, and when they respond 1/10th as much in kind as he provokes, he runs and tells. That is a very tough position to be in if you are a person who thinks blowing the whistle should be for the most egregious violations. Everyone has their breaking point, and I suspect that if a group of people decided to go after him and blow the whistle on his horrible posts, it wouldn't take long to see him on the sidelines. And he really doesn't see it coming! Anyway, I think it's childish and hypocritical and a lot of other things, and truly infuriating.
|Sep-13-18|| ||Robed.Bishop: <OCF> As always, you are welcome to post here. I will address your points. |
I posted my comments on the <cg> page only because thatís where <jb> posted his comment. I didnít take your posting here as a criticism.
I agree with your thoughts to <jb>; they mirror much of what I said.
Iím not sure why youíre careful in your comments to me as I donít have a short fuse and our conversations have always been civil. Indeed, I doubt thereís a single thing a person could say on this site that would upset me as I have no friends here and I donít get personal in discussions, meaning I do not sling mud. Perhaps, however, I missed the meaning behind your words. I certainly have no ill will for you nor any resentment. If I have done or said anything that would lead you to think otherwise, then I apologize.
I am not critical of <jbís> issues with <morf>. While I donít share them, I donít have a dog in the fight. I get along with <morf>, but I rarely interact with him. Further, and more importantly, <morf> is a big boy and should be able to take care of himself, and I am not here to defend him. If heís not capable of taking care of himself, then he shouldnít be fighting. That was not the point of my post, and I hope it didnít come across as such.
Without addressing <morfís> conduct specifically, I agree in general with your statement regarding users who create their problems, then run to the admins to solve them. In my opinion, this fits Mark exactly and was hinted at in my recent post mentioning him.
As for banning users, please allow me to expand on this topic beyond what you have stated. I do not have a problem with this site banning users, though I might have issues with how this power is applied in a particular situation. My personal view is that this should be done in only extreme situations and as a last resort.
As you may recall, I was one of the <CG7> suspended in the war with <AJ>. It was my opinion then that Daniel should have banned <AJ> from the site and my opinion has not changed in that regard. Indeed, more recently Iíve thought that Daniel should have banned Mark from the site, though Iíve never before stated as such. I will not go into my reasons for that. The point is, Iím not against banning users.
I understand that some members are against such action as it hinders or is antithical to free speech. This site, however, is private and there is no guarantee of free speech. Further, and more to the point, taking the position that the owners of this site canít regulate speech here is a limitation on the ownerís right to run his business as he or she sees fit. I donít agree with this proposition. If I donít like how itís run, I am free to leave. If I were the owner, I certainly wouldnít want someone else having the power to tell me what I must or must not allow my members to say. The fact that this site allows input on the subject is nice, but letís not get carried away. We are, after all, just users. Having said that, I agree that members calling for the banning of others is distasteful at best.
If anyone joined his site thinking they could say anything they wanted without consequences, then they were fools. I cannot say whether <BP> saw his suspension coming, but I certainly knew that one day I would have to pay the piper for my actions with <AJ>. That was a choice I made, and Iíve never complained about serving my sentence.
If <jb> wants to continue his war of words with <morf>, thatís okay with me. But letís not blame the admins for the results. Should puishment run both ways? Of course, if the actions by both merit such punishment. One would hope that the admins understand that, and Iím confident they do, but what do I know? Certainly Mark is still posting, but maybe thatís because no one (not <nobody>!), has blown the whistle. Again, hard to believe that would be necessary. Iím sure Iím not the only person who rolls his eyes when Mark says heís going to ďget backĒ to posting about chess.
As to whether <jb> (or morf) deserves a suspension, I donít have an opinion.
|Sep-13-18|| ||Robed.Bishop: <OCF> One final thought. It is my impression that once Daniel started investigating a complaint, then everyone involved would be at risk. If that is correct, then the fact that <morf> blew the whistle would be irrelevant as the whistle applies to them both, assuming the admin is aware that the problem spans more than one page. Hopefully, the first step in the investigation is reviewing the posts and getting input from the other user. |
I am not in a good position to speculate on this, however, as I donít know the procedure. I have never used the whistleblowing function nor been the subject of one that Iím aware of besides the <AJ> affair.
I understand that it almost always takes two to tango.
|Sep-20-18|| ||morfishine: <Robed.Bishop> I very much appreciate, your sober and sound comments and objective postings over at the <chessgames.com> forum |
I want to clear something up between <OCF> and myself, since this may shed some light onto his actions and positions on matters here at <CG>. When I first came onboard here about 10 years ago or so, he was someone I looked up to and followed. He was a huge advocate of following the rules, you know, no personal attacks, no off-topic posts, no obscenity, etc. I followed that idea by "blowing the whistle" often against people who were out of line, but not necessarily attacking me, (against anybody breaking the rules).
However, when I began criticizing the GOTD puns a few years ago, <OCF> blacklisted me. He in essence became a hypocrite. Now, whenever I would blow the whistle, his tune became "Oh, his feelings are hurt, oh the little baby, etc.".
<OCF> pursues whatever suits him, which includes him having to become a hypocrite. He's one to approach with great caution: The religious hypocrite can be the most dangerous snake
<john barleycorn> is a different matter. He attacked a friend of mine <DcGentle> repeatedly during a challenge game a few years ago to the point I had to tell him to shut up or leave the game.
Its been all downhill ever since. But its easy to see he's a cyber bully who finds posts he doesn't agree with and simply tells this person what an idiot he is. I've seen it a hundred times.
I am no cyber bully at all. However, I will defend my friends and myself. <john barlycorn> has an unfortunate MO of just floating around and using his derisive, arrogant and condescending comments against anyone who crossed his path
Sorry, nobody bullies me around
Thank you <Robed.Bishop> for weighing in with your refreshing objectivity, its not your concern but its good to see people at <CG> who actually care about <CG>
|Sep-21-18|| ||Robed.Bishop: <morf> Thank you.|
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