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|Oct-28-14|| ||parisattack: LOL! I can't speak to the Leningrad although it seems to be the Top Tulip these days. Antoshin under a cloud, perhaps a shot?|
Win with the Classical Dutch - Williams. Probably my fav Dutch tome.
Classical Dutch - Pinski.
Win with the Stonewall Dutch - Johnsen/Bern. Also quite good.
Dutch Stonewall - Aagaard. I find this fellow exceptionally annoying as a writer but its a decent book.
Diamond Dutch - Moskolenko. Like all his books.
If you are OK with the French, 1. ...e6 is great. You'll also get 2. c4 a lot which gives you more options with the Dutch. It also avoids the wild sidelines.
|Oct-28-14|| ||Shams: <parisattack>I should have said, I'd like a book from White's perspective, one that covers all of Black's systems. At the moment I'm not keen on the Staunton gambit or the early Bg5 lines but I could be persuaded.|
The Stonewall is one variation I'm more than happy to face-- Ng1-h3-f4-d3 and Nb1-d2-f3 gives White an easy game.
|Oct-28-14|| ||FSR: I'm a 2.Bg5 man myself. I also respond to 1...e6 with 2.e4! to avoid getting trapped into wimpy lines against the Dutch. As for books, I'll have to look at my library when I get home. Incidentally, Moskalenko in <The Diamond Dutch> says that he likes 2.Bg5! as White. He obviously isn't too happy with the Black side of that line.|
|Oct-28-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> <I also respond to 1...e6 with 2.e4! to avoid getting trapped into wimpy lines against the Dutch.>|
How often do you end up playing a French, and what variation do you head for when you do?
|Oct-28-14|| ||FSR: After 1.d4 e6 2.e4, almost everyone plays 2...d5, and I play 3.Nd2. I like this book: http://www.amazon.com/How-Beat-Fren... Probably with my present level of knowledge, I'd be afraid to play 2.e4 in a tournament game.|
|Oct-28-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> The Tarrasch French is highly annoying to face as Black. But then, so is the 6.a3 Advanced Variation, and the theoretical load is less for the White player. Against 3.Nd2 Black can try the old main line, the Guimard, The Romanishin/Moro move 3...Be7!?, or ....d5 with a further branch depending on whether Black retakes with the Queen or the c-pawn. |
You probably know all this already; I'm just thinking out loud.
Caruana - Vallejo from a couple years ago is about the latest word in the 6.a3 Advanced. Per <csmath>, Black is close to strategically busted in that line. But then, Caruana makes things look easier than they are sometimes...
|Oct-28-14|| ||FSR: Caruana vs Vallejo-Pons, 2012 - what a crazy game! It would probably take me about five hours with an engine to understand it.|
|Oct-28-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> I'd be keen to take a look at any 15/0 games you have in the 2.Bg5 Dutch.|
|Oct-28-14|| ||FSR: <Shams> I don't see the Dutch much. Here's a 5-minute game: http://chicagochess.blogspot.com/20.... btw, I trust you know about this cute trap in the 2.h3 Dutch: http://chicagochess.blogspot.com/20....|
|Oct-29-14|| ||parisattack: Andrew Martin's The Contemporary Anti-Dutch is a bit old (1990) but a nice discussion of 2. Bg5 and other Dutchie sidelines.|
Just looked at 365chess - 2. Bg5 seems quite strong tho I think digging deeper would find the games a bit skewed to stronger-player/weaker-player (ratings). I believe you can do such filtering with ChessBase tho I don't own it. Bought v9 or so once, never even unwrapped it. Bought Fritz recently, hardly touched it either...what old age can do to you, I guess. I'm quite content with books.
|Oct-29-14|| ||FSR: This is a really cool miniature: M Cebalo vs Vasiukov, 2014.|
|Oct-29-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> Wow, that is a cracking little game. If you're trying to get me hot and bothered about 2.Bg5 it might be working.|
|Oct-29-14|| ||Shams: Housekeeping note: in my post on the French below I wrote, |
<or ....d5 with a further branch depending on whether Black retakes with the Queen or the c-pawn.>
But of course Black recaptures with the <e>-pawn in that line.
|Oct-30-14|| ||parisattack: Sorry <Shams> housekeeping notes not permitted. ;) It is strictly 'touch-write' here at CG.com.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <parisattack> Without the 'delete' link I'd have long since been banned from this site.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||OhioChessFan: I thought I was the only one. Just as important is the preview button, where at least you can get your venom out, look at it, realize it's not appropriate for public consumption, and then x out the window.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <OCF> The football coach at my high school also happened to be one of the best teachers (history and government), but as you might imagine he had to put up with a lot of "I understand you're just the football coach" garbage from parents and even other teachers. |
One day the math teacher sent him a condescending note and he wrote a juicy missive in reply, mentioning among other things that he had taken lots of math in college, including several calculus courses, never getting anything but As; so apart from being qualified to teach history and government he could also teach math at the school.
One day I asked him how the letter had gone over. "I never sent it," he told me. "An old trick from Harry Truman: write the letter, then throw it away."
|Oct-30-14|| ||FSR: <Shams> I may give up on the Tarrasch French. There's tons of theory to learn - all for a line I'd only be playing once in a while. Also, White tends to get endings where he has a tiny advantage that he has to play very precisely to try to exploit. Not really my forte, so maybe I'll just play 1.d4 e6 2.c4, allowing the Dutch. OTOH, if I'm ever going to get really good - say FIDE Master - I'm probably going to have to learn to squeeze slightly better endings. That's how Hawkins improved.|
A guy in an online correspondence game just got to a Dutch against me by another offbeat move order, which I hadn't seen before - 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 f5.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> I find 1.d4 d6 very annoying as after 2.Nf3 the Saemisch KID is off the table. |
I agree about the Tarrasch French being too much work if you aren't an e4 player. A different story if you played the French as Black of course, but I've given up hope of that happening.
|Oct-30-14|| ||FSR: <Shams> Ouch! Good point - it hadn't occurred to me that Black can avoid the Saemisch that way. As Silecki says, 1.d4 and related openings are full of move-order problems. I guess that leaves me with about three alternatives: (a) 1.d4 d6 2.e4. I have to learn something against the Pirc - not sure what the best line is considered to be these days.|
(b) Alternatively, there's 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5! 3.Nc3, which I think is supposed to give White a plus - as long as he avoids getting massacred, Huebner vs Kasparov, 1985.
(c) 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.e4 0-0 6.h3, which AFAIK is the best-scoring line against the King's Indian. Opening Explorer
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> Yes, that last line with 6.h3 (Krasenkow variation) is what I play against the KID when Black takes the Saemisch off the table. There's a great video on it online that I'll dig up a link to if you're interested.|
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> I think this line has been scoring well for Black lately in that KID variation:|
P Cramling vs Navara, 2014
|Oct-30-14|| ||FSR: <Shams: <FSR> Yes, that last line with 6.h3 (Krasenkow variation) is what I play against the KID when Black takes the Saemisch off the table. There's a great video on it online that I'll dig up a link to if you're interested.>|
Yes, I'd definitely like to see that.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Shams: <FSR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shEi...|
At the moment I can't seem to find part 2.
|Oct-30-14|| ||FSR: <Shams> Thanks, I'll check it out.|
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