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|Jul-10-14|| ||OhioChessFan: Dortmund Moves Prediction contest hosted by <chessmoron> coming soon. Click on Elvis for details.|
|Jul-11-14|| ||Annie K.: <Switch> two very nice games, especially for you... ;)|
|Jul-12-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <Annie> Thanks. I think you may have shown game 2 to me before :) Will look at game 1 later.|
|Jul-12-14|| ||Annie K.: Heh, yes, I did. But I wasn't sure you were paying attention... ;)|
|Jul-20-14|| ||RcfM: Hello <Switch>!
It's me, Rich and I'm back from a somewhat not so long sabbatical. I looked up our friends' recent activity here and found out they aren't recent. Any idea where <Branko> is and how is he? Our other friend <Zahir> can be found in Facebook so I won't ask about him. :)
|Jul-20-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: Hi Rich! No, I haven't been in touch with <brankat> lately, I hope he's OK.|
How's Kiril? Has he learned to draw yet? ;-)
|Jul-20-14|| ||RcfM: Kiril will celebrate his 2nd birthday next month. How time flies fast, eh? |
Learn to draw before you learn to paint! He's still discovering the next best thing after being able to walk---running! And when the time comes for him to be introduced to chess, I'd show him some Leko games. :)
|Jul-28-14|| ||dakgootje: Hey <SQ>
Just dropping by a quick post.
Remember Finnish comic-girl? Of course you do, the comic was over 500 pages that you might have liked to see shortened by half ^^
Anyway, she has a new comic, which I won't promote too much.. because we're 150 pages in and the story only just started to move along a bit ;) But it's http://www.sssscomic.com/
<HOW?EVER!> why I drop by though: I remember we spoke a while ago about how prevalent alliteration is in Finnish (poetry). And one of the most recent pages (148) has quite a nice poem; which is apparently written in the Kalevala metre and therefore uses lots of alliteration.
Page is at http://www.sssscomic.com/comic.php?...
And if you can't be bothered to read :D Orrr if someone else wants to hear the Finnish pronunciantion: one of the readers recorded a reading of it: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ee56npHN07
Thought you might like it :) I did! But then again I'm no expert on Finnish wordimess :P
|Jul-29-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dakkie> Thanks for dropping by :)|
Is there a Dutch national epic? Or is all of Dutch literature too epic for any one work to have received such recognition?
|Jul-29-14|| ||dakgootje: Probably not. Couldn't think of one, and searching for something like 'nederlands episch gedicht' [dutch epic poem] gives nothing either. Only some wikipedia articles on epic poems.|
So naturally I looked there, and none of noted. As apparently one of the very very few European countries, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...
There are a number of reasons I can think of, but in all honesty I don't know why. It'd be mere speculation.
Wiki gives a couple halfhearted possibilities: Van den vos Reynaerde; Max Havelaar (by Multatuli); De avonden (by Gerard Reve). And at epic poetry also adds Karel ende Elegast.
The middle two, Max Havelaar and De Avonden, are modern (20th century) and indeed wellknown.. but nothing even close to hinting to a national epic. It's almost as if the writer took pity and thought 'well, let's just throw these in there..'
That leaves the other two - both from roughly the 13th century. So technically it's not Dutch yet - but Diets*. Both are.. possible.. to some extent. Certainly much better than the other two alternatives.
Very roughly: Karel ende Elegast is much more of a traditional epic hero poem. Problem is that I suppose.. oh let's say a quarter of the Dutch population knows the name. And who knows.. perhaps 1% will have read it - but probably that estimate is <much> too high.
Van den vos Reynaerde [about the fox Reynaerde] is, as the name implies, a bit of a mix between a fable and an epic poem. Big advantage is that it's fairly wellknown. Let's say upwards of 50% will know the name. A substantial portion of them could hazard a guess about the story. But once more, hardly anyone will have read it.
Perhaps something by.. let's say Bredero - but his works were more silly plays rather than epic poems :)
*Right, that's interesting come to think of it. You might remember some post years back [because you are you] about Diets and Duits, which used to be the same word. For ages. But currently Duits is German - so people tend to poke great fun at the national anthem, whereby the first verse includes 'ben ik van Duitschen bloed' [I am of.. German??? blood]. Which distinction didn't exist at the time, so the anthem only mentions that he [william of orange I think he's known in English] is Dutch. Problems mainly arise because we'd now use Nederlands or Hollands; as Duits is German, and Diets is history.
So you might remember the word. However, the reason I bring this up. The national anthem, Het Wilhelmus, might be the best guess for a national epic.
It's a song, or a poem. It's not overly long but.. well it does rhyme ;) Moreover, everyone knows it - and everyone will recognize it as being Dutch. Furthermore it actually recounts from a first-person perspective why William feels he has to cut the ties with Spain, starting the Dutch war of independance.
Soooo I guess it depends on the definition. All three older variants have some primary heroisch person, whose story is told in a poemy fashion. The 14th century entries are probably the most likely candidates regarding content, style and length. The anthem has it all, but in shorter supply; it's major advantange on the other hand that it's truly a national symbol.
|Jul-30-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: Perhaps it's just that the Dutch national epic hasn't been written yet. And if all the national epics had been written in the deep past, one would have to wonder what happened to mankind's creativity :)|
It could be an idea if the health psychology thing doesn't pan out. You wrote most of Shakespeare, after all, and that wasn't even in your native language. And you seem to like writing long posts :-)
I'm not sure I remember any old Diets/Duits post, but I do recall you complaining about complaining about the Dutch anthem... and now I look at it (Phony Benoni chessforum), maybe that is the post you had in mind.
|Jul-31-14|| ||Annie K.: Hmm, reminds me of a discussion I once had with a Belgian acquaintance, who said that her culture tends to ridicule heroics as foolish. If some of the neighboring countries have a similar cultural attitude, that might explain the lack of national epics?|
|Aug-01-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <Annie> Dunno. The Dutch seem to like their national football team, who have much in common with heroes... tragic heroes, of course :s|
Just replace the Germans with ice giants, the Brazilians with sorcerers from beyond the sea, the Spanish with evil tricksters and the referees with horned, two-faced demonic monsters, and wham, you have mythology.
|Aug-01-14|| ||dakgootje: Odd.. perhaps I wrote about Diet somewhere else. I can't quite recall. Didn't specially have that post in mind. I think.|
Heh, if there was any money in writing, I'd probably consider it. ;)
Heroism / heroics in the Dutch culture is an interesting subject, on which I've never really spend any time thinking. Spent? Spend.. You know, in Dutch we occasionally have verbs ending on -dt. Which would seem much easier, if it wasn't for the fact that there are RULES when it use it - and roughly 78% of the time at high school is spendet trying to remember those rules.
I'm not sure we really do.. heroes. The only people that spring to mind: admirals and other wellknown naval important persons from 17th century, when the Dutch rocked the sea. But then again, a few of them were privateers.. or perhaps occasionally pirates, so you know.. And I suppose some would called William of Orange a hero..
Not much else.
|Aug-07-14|| ||Domdaniel: There are many Dutch heroes, if you cast your net wide enough. I once asked film director Peter Greenaway about this: he's English, but now lives in Holland, and I met and interviewed him a few times in the 80s/90s. The last time we met, about three years ago, he'd been making a series of films about Dutch Masters -- Rembrandt, Vermeer, etc. I asked him whether he'd like to include Max Euwe. |
"Ah", he said. "You play chess".
|Aug-19-14|| ||wordfunph: Switch, thank you for making the chessbookie alive and kicking. No one can do it better.|
|Aug-19-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <wordfunph> Thanks, but there's always room for improvement :)|
|Aug-19-14|| ||Annie K.: <Switch> any more improvement, and you get to keep the job, because nobody else will ever be able to live up to half the standards you set... so watch it! ;p|
|Aug-26-14|| ||OhioChessFan: Sinquefield Cup Moves Prediction contest hosted by <chessmoron> coming soon. Click on Elvis for details.|
|Aug-31-14|| ||moronovich: Good Morning <Switch> !|
I hope everything is fine on the Northern Pole ;)
And I may say you are doing a fine job as eevryones bookie!Hope you are enjoing your task though I could imagine it is timeconsuming sometimes!?
And that you may be missing being a civil Citizen at the game :)
Have you thought about making something like a "Christmas Speciel" (No I am NOT joking;),say somewhere mid december if there is a tournamnent at hand (London?).
Something funny like : how many rookpawns will be moved/removed,will the Queens be off before move 35,will a check occur before say move 20.
Many other options,and I will return,but for now my wife is tripping
and claim the computer ):/(:
p.s..I am currently at 5.800 in the bookiegame(Egual to "old days" 4.800+1000!?).I think it is enough to make the cut.Do you agree ?
Take care,enjoy and see you up the road.
|Aug-31-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <moronovich> Contrary to the strange claim in my CG player bio, I do not in fact live at the North Pole. (Indeed, it would be impossible to do that, as the ice moves around too much.) Up here, of course, it's common knowledge I live in Finland; I'll have to fix that bio some day.|
I wouldn't feel comfy at c$5,800. There's a good chance it will be enough to qualify, but it might not, and the Pay Day will up the cut by more than just c$1,000 as it also provides a major economic stimulus.
I have in fact thought about special Christmas bets, but it's unlikely they'll happen (at least this year) as I will not be Bookie at the time; someone else, most likely <wordfunph>, is supposed to handle the Fall Leg. If the Fall Leg ends before then so Christmas is in the gap between two legs, that's another matter; it will be a time for whoever handles the Winter Leg to test things and experiment.
Of course it pains me that I'm not playing - especially when the odds are so often completely out of whack... But I'm still making bigger profits than anybody else, so that's OK :)
Thanks for dropping by, and good luck for the rest of the leg! In the Bookie game as well as the rest of your life :-)
|Aug-31-14|| ||dakgootje: <Of course it pains me that I'm not playing - especially when the odds are so often completely out of whack...>|
Yeah - but for some reason my mind rightout refuses to remember about chessbetting.
And gambling 8 hours before lines close goes against everything I believe in, including chocolate-chip-cookies and the universal right to arm bears.
|Aug-31-14|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dakkie> I'm sure I've suggested an alarm clock before :)|
|Sep-05-14|| ||wordfunph: <Switch> i have some concerns, email me at wordfunph at yahoo dot com. Thanks.|
|Sep-05-14|| ||wordfunph: <Switch> sent my reply. I'm having trouble with my email account, not sure if you'll receive my message.|
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