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|Oct-23-14|| ||DanLanglois: <yskid: I'm wondering however, what is your stance on LENR in general?>|
For me, there is a persuasive set of arguments as to why the whole idea of Rossiís E-Cat makes no sense and why the tests were meaningless. LENR defies what I know about nuclear reactions. I suppose that I could explain this in detail, but should I have to, Rossi has not provided more than the skimpiest details? I'm not actually a physicist. I want to be clear about that, actually..-->
It doesn't matter to me in the least, whether there is evidence for something interesting being observed in the many of the LENR experiments that have been conducted. Properly speaking, my position is that itís impossible for anyone to say that Rossi (or anyone else) has or does not have what is claimed Ö I can only say itís unlikely and thatís what I think.
The point, for me, is not even whether the tests were correctly conducted scientifically and/or whether the measurements are real. My position is not that the conditions of the tests and instrumenting was so poor that I think the paper and its conclusions are simply wrong. My reasoning is more by process of elimination. Start with this possibility: Rossi is not a fraud and the E-Cat works as claimed. I think this is hard to believe given what science and scientists tell us. I'd add, that I'm a trained scientist of a sort, btw, and it's not merely what 'science and scientists' are telling 'us', but what I'm telling you. But my point is not that I think this is hard to believe given etc..
Rather, my point is that letís say Rossi really has an energy generation system that performs as claimed whether itís based on LENR or pixie dust or whatever..
Then, why would he behave as he has? And HERE, is where the answer is kind of obvious. Perhaps others see this picture, and they suppose that what Rossi has is a trade secret that needs to be protected. But I have firm opinions about how people are supposed to behave, in that situation. I think that all of his deflections, secrecy, and obfuscations will eventually be found out, not because I'm such a big expert on science (though I am something of an expert), but because I am an expert on high risk investments, and investors' lack of due diligence. I rode the dot com boom/bust. I can't easily summarize the experience. I'm in my forties, I've been around people all my life. It's intuition.
Is Rossi a fraud and the E-Cat a hoax or is Rossi the herald of a new world? I am skeptical veering towards pessimism, and my reasons completely satisfy me. I wouldn't be embarrassed, if I turn out to be wrong on this one. I don't want to believe it, even if it's true, because only a moron could believe it nevertheless.
|Oct-23-14|| ||Tiggler: <DanLanglois>:<I don't want to believe it, even if it's true, because only a moron could believe it nevertheless.>|
I don't want to believe it, either, but not because only a moron could believe it. I don't want to believe it because it offends my values in the scientific and engineering endeavor. Scoundrels can and often do succeed in many walks of life, but true success in science only comes from painstaking effort. Those who stick to their knitting eventually succeed sometimes, but dilettantes never do.
Genius may give rise to a break-though, of course, but even the most perverse genius works hard, is single-minded and persistent. Rossi's record displays none of these qualities.
|Oct-30-14|| ||Chess Dad: <Tiggler: Scoundrels can and often do succeed in many walks of life, but true success in science only comes from painstaking effort.>|
I stayed away for a while since the whole thing is so absurd, but I just thought I'd come back to check on how things were going.
I still don't believe. But my disbelief isn't based on any wishes of mine. I simply can't believe it, even if I wanted to.
I know too much about nuclear reactions. I'm nearly done with my Master's degree in Nuclear Engineering, and I've worked nearly my entire adult life in the nuclear field, more than 20 years. My background makes this scam impossible for me to believe.
The history on Rossi provided by Dan just makes me more certain, if that were even possible.
|Nov-05-14|| ||yskid: <Oct-23-14
member DanLanglois: <yskid: I'm wondering however, what is your stance on LENR in general?>
Allow me to answer ....
To return to your question, -- well, if that's really the question that you want to be asking..?>Actually, ONLY question that I'm interested in is whether or not there is some LENR positive experimental indication. I quite enjoyed reading your reply and depiction of Rossi's "colorful profile" which certainly does not contribute to the credibility of his E-Cat project. I presume he'll have to provide confirmation of the experimental results to his newly found investors (something along McKubre's analysis of his test) yet this alliance provided him with a "code of silence" for the rest of us. Actually, when Nickster first let us know about "something looming" in the energy field I thought maybe news on Boron-fusion reactor are coming.
|Nov-07-14|| ||yskid: I have to expand my "question of interest" little beyond LENR. Reason for it is that discussion at Vortex, http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-... , brought in focus Fractional Quantum Hall Effect and "non-nuclear version of LENR" (for which LENR label would be inaccurate). Apparently "Several
times ...., the fractional Hall effect has been tied to thermal anomalies."
Incidentally, in the newly published Rossi's patent application it is referred to "non-conventional source of energy which lies between chemical energy and nuclear energy" which covers potentially "grey areas" (must give some credits to the lawyers sometimes).
|Dec-17-14|| ||Nickster: Finally an interview with one of the authors of the Lugano report:|
Bo HŲistad was interviewed last week:
|Dec-18-14|| ||yskid: <Dec-17-14
member Nickster: Finally an interview with one of the authors of the Lugano report:......>I believe that theoretical explanation will have to precede commercial building of the devices. Question is when or even weather or not will be published for the "retail audience" ?!
|Dec-24-14|| ||WinKing: Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to you & yours <Tiggler>! :)|
|Dec-25-14|| ||wordfunph: <Tiggler> Merry Christmas!|
|Dec-26-14|| ||cormier: Joyeux NoŽl ...|
|Dec-30-14|| ||Nickster: Happy Holidays to all and thank you <Tiggler> for the use of your forum.|
Unexpected news the other day:
|Dec-30-14|| ||Nickster: Today MFMP (Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project) will attempt to replicate the Russian's extraordinary results. MFMP is a group dedicated to researching Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (often referred to as LENR) while sharing all procedures, data, and results openly online.|
It is funded by donations and is totally Open Source.
If you wish to follow there will be a live feed!! A link will be given soon on their web page:
Wish them luck. Positive or negative it should be interesting ...
|Dec-30-14|| ||Nickster: We have a link:
Just about to start ...
Just so you know what we are seeing:
Russian researcher Alexander Parkhomov 'claims' to have replicated the 'Rossi Effect'. He gives specific instructions on the fuel he used. MFMP is trying to replicate his replication.
|Dec-30-14|| ||Nickster: To see the actual data go to:
Select 'View' for 'Dog Bone Test'. Check 'Update With New Data' to get periodic live updates.
They are now doing calibration tests. This is without the 'fuel'. This is needed for a baseline. The loaded test will be done later.
This is going to take a while. Very slow moving but for someone playing Corr. chess I guess maybe not so slow.
|Dec-30-14|| ||Nickster: The test is over. Results are negative. No excess heat. You come to your own conclusions.|
In the coming days/months the MFMP team will try different fuel combinations.
|Dec-31-14|| ||yskid: Happy New Year to all!
Thank you Tiggler for letting us use your site for LENR posting.
Thank you Nickster to bringing E-Cat to our attention.
|Jan-01-15|| ||ketchuplover: peaceful 2015 to ye|
|Jan-02-15|| ||Tiggler: Happy New Year to all, and thanks to those who left their greetings here, especially that rare bird, the ketchu plover.|
|Mar-30-15|| ||Tiggler: <Nickster> I just moved my copy of the pdf file "lugano report" to the recycle bin. I guess it is safe to assume this topic belongs there.|
|Mar-31-15|| ||Nickster: <Tiggler> I have not been posting much because I am waiting for a 'credible' replication to happen. So far nothing. Zilch. But things have been happening in the world of LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions).|
For all the news/gossip E-cat World has grown enormously in the last few months.
This is the place for the latest news.
The controversial 'lugano report', even with all it's flaws, has had a strong impact in the world of LENR. There has been a 'resurgence' of sorts. While in the past cold fusion was practically a taboo subject, it has now been given a second chance.
Even though it's still considered 'pseudoscience' some scientists are at least willing to look at it. Many countries have publicly started LENR research programs. Countries like Sweden, India, Japan etc. Where all this will lead to I'm not sure.
|Mar-31-15|| ||Nickster: There are some big players coming into the scene.
Airbus, a multi-billion dollar company, has recently submitted a patent application for LENR. Surprisingly similar to the Rossi patent application.
'Airbus Representatives to Attend LENR-Cities Event on April 10 in Milan ó Another ĎVery Big Groupí interested in LENR Research'
I guess we will have to wait until April 10 to find out who this ĎVery Big Groupí is.
|Mar-31-15|| ||Nickster: There are some who are claiming success at replication.|
Italian company Prometeon:
More importantly is the work of Russian physicist named Alexander G. Parkhomov. His first report from Dec.25 (translated into english) can be found here:
A second replication lasting 3 days was claimed last week. The report (translated into english) can be found here:
Dr.Parkhomov is retired and is willing to share his findings.
|Mar-31-15|| ||Nickster: As I mentioned in a previous post MFMP (Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project) attemted a Parkhomov replication. The attempts were broadcast live:|
First attempt: No Excess heat found. Apparently the hydrogen had leaked out before reaching the desired temperature.
Second Attempt: Fixed leak. After reaching a certain temperature the reactor ... exploded !!
Hmm. Bob Greenyer, one of the MFMP scientists, decided to fly down to Moscow and meet with Dr.Alexander Parkhomov. Pictures were taken of his setup. More importantly exact FUEL SAMPLES were taken. Once back from his trip samples of the fuel were shipped to labs around the world (I think four or five). Attempts at replication are now being attempted.
Is Parkhomov another quack or did he release the cat out of the bag? I guess we'll know the results in the coming weeks.
|Mar-31-15|| ||Nickster: Meanwhile Singor Rossi has been doing exactly what he said he would be doing. He has built a 1 MW plant and it's being tested now. Some pictures were released:|
A quick google search states that 1 MW can power 1000 homes. A couple of points:
- Plant producing heat not electricity.
- Plant is portable. Consists of two containers.
- One containing plant and one is the control room.
- It has been in operation the last few months.
- Initially had some issues but now running smoothly.
- The trial period will end around the end on the year.
- Results of the one year trial (Positive or Negative) will be posted.
- If results Negative the customer will NOT pay.
|Mar-31-15|| ||Nickster: That's it for now. Everything is moving slowly ... ever so slowly. Anyway I continue to follow this story. Hey it's not costing me anything ...|
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