< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 34 OF 34 ·
|Dec-26-13|| ||alexmagnus: World Champions beating World Champions (not necessarily reigning ones):|
Steinitz: 8 wins against Lasker. Total: 8.
Lasker: 26 against Steinitz, 2 against Capablanca, 3 against Alekhine, 3 against Euwe. Total: 34.
Capablanca: 6 against Lasker, 9 against Alekhine, 4 against Euwe, 1 against Botvinnik. Total: 20.
Alekhine: 1 against Lasker, 7 against Capablanca, 28 against Euwe. Total: 36.
Euwe: 1 against Capablanca, 20 against Alekhine, 2 against Botvinnik, 1 against Smyslov, 1 against Fischer. Total: 25.
Botvinnik: 1 against Lasker, 1 against Capablanca, 1 against Alekhine, 2 against Euwe, 29 against Smyslov, 12 against Tal, 4 against Petrosian, 1 against Spassky. Total: 51.
Smyslov: 7 against Euwe, 24 against Botvinnik, 4 against Tal, 6 against Petrosian, 3 against Spassky, 1 against Fischer, 1 against Karpov, 1 against Kasparov. Total: 47.
Tal: 12 against Botvinnik, 3 against Smyslov, 4 against Petrosian, 7 against Spassky, 4 against Fischer. Total: 30.
Petrosian: 1 against Euwe, 7 against Botvinnik, 4 against Smyslov, 5 against Tal, 10 against Spassky, 4 against Fischer, 1 against Karpov, 2 against Kasparov. Total: 34.
Spassky: 5 against Smyslov, 9 against Tal, 11 against Petrosian, 11 against Fischer, 2 against Karpov, 2 against Kasparov. Total: 40.
Fischer: 1 against Euwe, 3 against Smyslov, 2 against Tal, 8 against Petrosian, 17 against Spassky. Total: 31.
Karpov: 3 against Smyslov, 1 against Tal, 1 against Petrosian, 14 against Spassky, 21 against Kasparov, 3 against Kramnik, 5 against Anand. Total: 48.
Kasparov: 6 against Smyslov, 2 against Tal, 2 against Petrosian, 2 against Spassky, 28 against Karpov, 4 against Kramnik, 16 against Anand. Total: 60.
Kramnik: 2 against Karpov, 5 against Kasparov, 8 against Anand, 4 against Carlsen. Total: 19.
Anand: 1 against Tal, 1 against Spassky, 11 against Karpov, 5 against Kasparov, 10 against Kramnik, 6 against Carlsen. Total: 34.
Carlsen: 4 against Kramnik, 6 against Anand. Total: 10.
|Jan-11-14|| ||alexmagnus: Just noticed Karpov is the oldest living player with a peak rating over 2700... Making kind of a collection of all "oldest living" players and the history of each of these "titles". So far oldest living:|
GM: Averbakh (last change of hands: 2010, death of Lilienthal).
World Champion: Spassky (last change of hands: 2010, death of Smyslov)
Peak-2700: Karpov (last change of hands: 2008, death of Fischer).
Peak-2800: Kasparov (last change of hands: 1990, Kasparov becoming first 2800 player ever).
|Jan-11-14|| ||alexmagnus: History of each "oldest living" title...
...GM (including honorary grandmasters, since old 1950 GMs were partly "honorary"):
1950: first GM titles are awarded. Oldest of them: Mieses.
1954: Mieses dies, new oldest living GM is Bernstein.
1962: Bernstein dies, Kostic (born 1887) is the new oldest living GM
1963: Kostic dies, new oldest living GM: Sämisch
1975: Sämisch dies, new oldest living GM: Euwe
1977: Canal, who is five years older than Euwe, gets awarded the GM title.
February 1981: Canal dies, Euwe oldest living GM again.
November 1981: Euwe dies, new oldest living GM: Kashdan.
1983: Lundin, a year older than Kashdan, gets awarded the GM title.
1985: Monticelli, two years older than Lundin, gets awareded the GM title.
1995: Monticelli dies, new oldest living GM: Koltanowski.
2000: Koltanowski dies, new oldest living GM: Paoli.
2005: Paoli dies, new oldest living GM: Lilienthal
2010: Lilienthal dies, new oldest living GM: Averbakh.
1886: First official World Championship Match gets won by Steinitz.
1900: Steinitz dies, the only living World Champion is Lasker.
1941: Lasker dies, new oldest living WC: Capablanca
1942: Capablanca dies, new oldest living WC: Alekhine
1946: Alekhine dies, the only living WC is Euwe. 1946-48 is so far the last time only one world champ is alive.
1981: Euwe dies, new oldest living WC: Botvinnik.
1995: Botvinnik dies, new oldest living WC: Smyslov
2010: Smyslov dies, new oldest living WC: Spassky.
1971: Elo ratings get introduced, Fischer is the only, and thereby oldest living, 2700+.
1980: Tal, who is seven years older than Fischer gets over 2700.
1992: Tal dies, the oldest living peak-2700 title gets back to Fischer
2008: Fischer dies, new oldest living peak-2700: Karpov.
1990: Kasparov becomes first 2800 player ever. Since then nobody born before him got over 2800.
|Jan-15-14|| ||MarkFinan: I just read your profile and your forum page, and I see you're the statistics guy around here. It's interesting to me but I also think it's just too hard to judge and compare chess players from different eras. I see you make a good go of it though. I think it's hard for people like me to judge who was strongest because I'm not qualified to. I can give my opinions, but I can't be a *good* judge because I don't understand chess like the players themselves! So my opinion is Kasparov is the greatest ever, with the very real possiblity of Carlsen overtaking him before his career is over. I guess there's a good case for Fischer too. But I do disagree strongly that there's someone out there who has never played the game that could beat either of them! |
|Jan-31-14|| ||twinlark: <alexmagnus>
Why did the schachkronik site close? It was a superb resource. It's true that olimpbase provides similar information, but the graphs and tables in SK were excellent.
It's closure followed what seemed to be some extensive hacking attacks.
Do you know anything more?
|Feb-01-14|| ||alexmagnus: <twinlark> I don't know but I can contact the owner of you wish. I don't know him personally but had some correspondence with him in one of those heated rating inflation debates :D|
|Feb-01-14|| ||twinlark: <alexmagnus>
Could you ask him if the information and graphics from that site are still available? His site was an invaluable research tool.
|Feb-02-14|| ||GREYSTRIPE: To find a window in a room without a door or opening of any kind do not walk to Tallahassee and find a friend to agree with your assessment that you were right all along when you said 'I am the greatest thinker in the room.'.
|Mar-07-14|| ||alexmagnus: Just beat <age 10> on the PlayMagnus app. Age 11 next :D|
|Mar-07-14|| ||alexmagnus: Took me like 20 games.|
|Apr-21-14|| ||alexmagnus: I once had a joking tracing of the WC title if the WC changed by winning one tournament game against the curent titleholder, starting with Steinitz. Undofrtunately, I got stuck in 1919 due to missing dates. |
Now attempting to do the same starting with Anand winning Mexico:
Anand lost to Radjabov on January 12, 2008 Radjabov vs Anand, 2008
Radjabov lost to Aronian on January 19, 2008 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Aronian lost to Topalov on February 15, 2008 Topalov vs Aronian, 2008
Topalov lost to Shirov on February 19, 2008
Shirov lost to Anand on February 28, 2008 Anand vs Shirov, 2008
Anand lost to Vallejo Pons on May 30, 2008 Vallejo-Pons vs Anand, 2008
Vallejo Pons lost to Anand, apparently on the same day (maybe a faulty dated PGN, round number counted)Vallejo-Pons vs Anand, 2008
Anand lost to Topalov on September 5, 2008 Topalov vs Anand, 2008
Topalov lost to Aronian on September 9, 2008 Aronian vs Topalov, 2008
Aronian lost to Radjabov on September 13, 2008 Aronian vs Radjabov, 2008
Radjabov lost to Van Wely on November 15, 2008 Van Wely vs Radjabov, 2008
Van Wely lost to Ziska on November 16, 2008 H Ziska vs Van Wely, 2008
Ziska lost to Ramirez on November 19, 2008 A Ramirez vs H Ziska, 2008
|Apr-23-14|| ||alexmagnus: 2009:
Ramirez lost to Lenderman on May 30 Lenderman vs A Ramirez, 2009
Lenderman lost to Kacheishvili on June 1: Lenderman vs G Kacheishvili, 2009
Kacheishvili lost to Zapata on July 3: A Zapata vs G Kacheishvili, 2009
Zapata lost to Kamsky on July 5: A Zapata vs Kamsky, 2009
Kamsky lost to Jakovenko on August 10: Jakovenko vs Kamsky, 2009
Jakovenko lost on August 16 to Bacrot: Bacrot vs Jakovenko, 2009
Bacrot lost to Inarkiev on August 20: E Inarkiev vs Bacrot, 2009
Inarkiev lost to Aronian on August 23: Aronian vs E Inarkiev, 2009
Aronian lost to Grischuk on September 6: Grischuk vs Aronian, 2009
Grischuk lost to Karjakin on September 8: Karjakin vs Grischuk, 2009
Karjakin lost to Navara on November 27: Navara vs Karjakin, 2009
Navara lost to Karjakin on November 28: Karjakin vs Navara, 2009
Karjakin lost to Gelfand on December 6: Karjakin vs Gelfand, 2009
|Apr-24-14|| ||alexmagnus: 2010:
Gelfand lost to Aronian on January 6 Aronian vs Gelfand, 2010
Aronian lost to Sasikiran on January 9 Sasikiran vs Aronian, 2010
Sasikiran lost to Le Quang Liem on February 6 Le Quang Liem vs Sasikiran, 2010
Le lost to Kuderinov on April 21 K Kuderinov vs Le Quang Liem, 2010
Kuderinov lost to Yu Yangyi on April 22 Y Yu vs K Kuderinov, 2010
Yu lost to Li Chao on April 27 Li Chao vs Y Yu, 2010
Li lost to Ni Hua on April 28 Ni Hua vs Li Chao, 2010
Ni lost to Lu Shanglei on May 26 Lu Shanglei vs Ni Hua, 2010
Lu lost to Zhou Jianchao on May 27 Lu Shanglei vs Zhou Jianchao, 2010
Zhou Jianchao lost to Zhou Weiqi on May 31 Zhou Weiqi vs Zhou Jianchao, 2010
Zhou Weiqi lost to Wang Hao on June 3 Zhou Weiqi vs Wang Hao, 2010
Wang Hao lost to Zhou Weiqi on June 14 Zhou Weiqi vs Wang Hao, 2010
Zhou Weiqi lost to Li Chao on June 18 Li Chao vs Zhou Weiqi, 2010
Li Chao lost to Shulman on September 29 Li Chao vs Y Shulman, 2010
Shulman lost to Mikhalevski on October 1 V Mikhalevski vs Y Shulman, 2010
Mikhalevski lost to Bogosavljevic on October 18 V Mikhalevski vs Y Shulman, 2010
Bogosavljevic lost to McShane on October 23 B Bogosavljevic vs McShane, 2010
|Apr-25-14|| ||alexmagnus: 2011:
McShane lost to Le Quang Liem in January 22 Le Quang Liem vs McShane, 2011
Le lost to Wojtaszek on January 23 R Wojtaszek vs Le Quang Liem, 2011
Wojtaszek lost to Sargissian on January 25 G Sargissian vs R Wojtaszek, 2011
Sargissian lost to Le Quang Liem on January 26 Le Quang Liem vs G Sargissian, 2011
Le lost to Cheparinov in February 15 Le Quang Liem vs I Cheparinov, 2011
Cheparinov lost to Vitiugov on February 16 I Cheparinov vs N Vitiugov, 2011
Vitiugov lost to Kraemer on Match 19 M Kraemer vs N Vitiugov, 2011
Kraemer lost to Spoelman on March 20 W Spoelman vs M Kraemer, 2011
Spoelman lost to Sokolov on June 25 W Spoelman vs I Sokolov, 2011
Sokolov lost to Swinkels on June 29 R Swinkels vs I Sokolov, 2011
Swinkels lost to Giri on July 3 A Giri vs R Swinkels, 2011
Giri lost to Ponomariov on July 22 Ponomariov vs A Giri, 2011
Ponomariov lost to Le Quang Liem on July 25 Le Quang Liem vs Ponomariov, 2011
Le lost to Dominguez on October 19 L Dominguez vs Le Quang Liem, 2011
Dominguez lost to Le Quang Liem on October 25 Le Quang Liem vs L Dominguez, 2011
|Jul-23-14|| ||alexmagnus: Shortest games by world champions (including exhibition games):|
Win: Steinitz vs Wechsler, 1867 (7 moves)
Draw: Steinitz vs Mackenzie, 1883 (10 moves)
Loss: Steinitz vs H Voigt, 1885 (12 moves).
Win: Hartlaub vs Lasker, 1911 (9 moves)
Draw: Hromadka vs Lasker, 1923 (13 moves)
Loss: Bird vs Lasker, 1892 (12 moves)
Win: Capablanca vs E B Adams, 1909 (9 moves)
Draw: Capablanca vs Teichmann, 1911 (8 moves, but some sources say it lasted about 20)
Loss: Capablanca vs A Kramer, 1914 (9 moves)
Win: Alekhine vs A Kaufman, 1918 (8 moves)
Draw: Alekhine vs Gruenfeld, 1925 (12 moves)
Loss: F J Perez Perez vs Alekhine, 1943 (12 moves)
Win: Euwe vs Cortlever, 1940 (11 moves)
Draw: a tie between Euwe vs A J van den Hoek, 1942 and C B van den Berg vs Euwe, 1950 (10 moves each, actually the two games differ only by a half move)
Loss: Wiersma vs Euwe, 1920 (9 moves)
Win: I Mazel vs Botvinnik, 1938 (11 moves)
Draw: a three-way tie between Petrosian vs Botvinnik, 1963, Botvinnik vs Petrosian, 1963 (two consecutive WC games!) and Ivkov vs Botvinnik, 1967 (10 moves each)
Loss: P Izmailov vs Botvinnik, 1929 (14 moves)
Win: K Spraggett vs Smyslov, 1985 (14 moves; being from the Candidates, probably the most high-ranked decisive game on this list)
Draw: a six-way tie between J Sunye Neto vs Smyslov, 1978, Smyslov vs S Fedder, 1980, Hug vs Smyslov, 1991, Smyslov vs Velimirovic, 1994, Smyslov vs G Giorgadze, 1995 and Smyslov vs Zhu Chen, 1998 (9 moves each)
Loss: Smyslov vs Hjartarson, 1995 (16 moves)
|Jul-23-14|| ||alexmagnus: Continuation:
Win: Tal vs Vaganian, 1973 (12 moves)
Draw: a tie between Tal vs Korchnoi, 1972 and Tal vs S Arkhipov, 1992 (7 moves each)
Loss: Dzindzichashvili vs Tal, 1991 (18 moves)
Win: Petrosian vs H Ree, 1971 (8 moves)
Draw: D Marovic vs Petrosian, 1979 (7 moves)
Loss: Kotov vs Petrosian, 1949 (13 moves)
Win: Spassky vs R Behling, 1985 (13 moves)
Draw: a six-way tie between Spassky vs Timman, 1973, Spassky vs Najdorf, 1982, Spassky vs Suba, 1985, Huebner vs Spassky, 1986, J Nikolac vs Spassky, 1987 and V Malaniuk vs Spassky, 1988 (9 moves each)
Loss: Spassky vs Rodgaisky, 1948 (8 moves)
Win: a tie between J Altusky vs Fischer, 1954 and Fischer vs J Jones, 1964 (8 moves each)
Draw: Fischer vs Benko, 1961 (12 moves)
Loss: A W Conger vs Fischer, 1955 (12 moves, involves premature resignation)
Win: a tie between P Sangla vs Karpov, 1968 and Karpov vs L Tagmatarxis, 2001 (11 moves each)
Draw: Karpov vs Leko, 1995 (1 move)
Loss: Christiansen vs Karpov, 1993 (12 moves)
Win: Kasparov vs G West, 1977 (12 moves)
Draw: a tie between Kasparov vs Spassky, 1986 and Kasparov vs Kramnik, 2000 (11 moves each)
Loss: Short vs Kasparov, 1993 (15 moves)
Win: a tie between Kramnik vs Shirov, 2001 (blindfold game gone completely wrong) and V Gashimov vs Kramnik, 2009 (14 moves each)
Draw: a tie between Kharlov vs Kramnik, 1990, Kramnik vs Glek, 1992, Y Dokhoian vs Kramnik, 1994 and Grischuk vs Kramnik, 2011 (8 moves each)
Loss: apparently a tie between Anand vs Kramnik, 2005 and Kramnik vs Topalov, 2005 (20 moves each)
Win: Anand vs NN, 1993 (7 moves)
Draw: a three-way tie between W Watson vs Anand, 1989, Ulibin vs Anand, 1990 and Gulko vs Anand, 1993 (9 moves each)
Loss: A Zapata vs Anand, 1988 (6 moves)
Win: Bill Gates vs Carlsen, 2014 (9 moves)
Draw: a tie between B Kvisvik vs Carlsen, 2001 and Carlsen vs S Rukovci, 2001 (6 moves each)
Loss: Pelletier vs Carlsen, 2005 (15 moves)
|Jul-23-14|| ||alexmagnus: Longest games by world champions (if drawn, longest decisive game is added):|
Steinitz: G Neumann vs Steinitz, 1870 (win, 124 moves)
Lasker: Tarrasch vs Lasker, 1908 (draw, 119 moves); decisive: a tie between Bird vs Lasker, 1892 (loss, 102 moves) and Tarrasch vs Lasker, 1916 (win, 102 moves)
Capablanca: Capablanca vs Lasker, 1914 (draw, 100 moves); decisive: J Cukierman vs Capablanca, 1938 (win, 91 moves)
Alekhine: Sultan Khan vs Alekhine, 1933 (win, 108 moves)
Euwe: Grob vs Euwe, 1948 (win, 101 moves)
Botvinnik: Botvinnik vs Ravinsky, 1944 (win, 126 moves)
Smyslov: Smyslov vs Lilienthal, 1941 (draw, 125 moves); decisive: Smyslov vs Filip, 1958 (win, 109 moves)
Tal: Korchnoi vs Tal, 1956 (draw, 132 moves); decisive: Bronstein vs Tal, 1975 (loss, 121 moves)
Petrosian: Petrosian vs B Ivanovic, 1980 (win, 122 moves)
Spassky: Vaganian vs Spassky, 1983 (loss, 117 moves)
Fischer: Yanofsky vs Fischer, 1962 (win, 112 moves)
Karpov: Karpov vs Van Wely, 1998 (win, 133 moves)
Kasparov: Kasparov vs Yusupov, 1993 (draw, 118 moves); decisive: Kamsky vs Kasparov, 1989 (win, 107 moves)
Kramnik: McShane vs Kramnik, 2010 (draw, 139 moves); decisive: Leko vs Kramnik, 2001 (win, 133 moves)
Anand: Anand vs Gelfand, 2009 (draw, 128 moves); decisive: Van Wely vs Anand, 2000 (loss, 113 moves)
Carlsen: Shirov vs Carlsen, 2010 (draw, 174 moves); decisive: Carlsen vs J L Hammer, 2009 (win, 107 moves)
|Sep-26-14|| ||SnakeEyes: Be ready to insert a new entry on your domination list for Caruana with a score of around 80 when the official FIDE ratings list for October are released. Just below Topalov:84, but well above Aronian:72 (who was the former #2 in the world before Caruana overtook that position as well).|
|Oct-09-14|| ||alexmagnus: Completing my "one-game titleholders". Starting with 2012. As you can see above, by the end of 2011 the "title" was held by Le Quang Liem.|
Le lost to Hou Yifan on January 31: Yifan Hou vs Le Quang Liem, 2012
Hou lost to Wang Chen on March 27th: Wang Chen vs Yifan Hou, 2012
Wang lost to Li Shilong on March 28th: Li Shilong vs Wang Chen, 2012
Li lost to Ding Liren on March 29th: Ding Liren vs Li Shilong, 2012
Ding lost to Negi on May 11th: Negi vs Ding Liren, 2012
Negi lost to Saleh on May 13th: A R Saleh Salem vs Negi, 2012
Saleh lost to Akopian on June 11th: A R Saleh Salem vs Akopian, 2012
|Oct-09-14|| ||alexmagnus: 2013:
Akopian lost to Grigoryan on May 9th: Akopian vs K Grigoryan, 2013
Grigoryan lost to Dubov on May 10th: K Grigoryan vs D Dubov, 2013
Dubov lost to Laznicka on May 13th: V Laznicka vs D Dubov, 2013
Laznicka lost to Beliavsky on May 16th: Beliavsky vs V Laznicka, 2013
Beliavsky has no classical losses in the database for 2013 (he was eliminated in the World Cup by Yu Yangyi, but both losses came in rapids).
|Oct-09-14|| ||alexmagnus: 2014:
Beliavsky lost to Nakar on March 5th: E Nakar vs Beliavsky, 2014
Nakar lost to Dvirnyy on March 6th: D Dvirnyy vs E Nakar, 2014
Dvirnyy lost to Laznicka on March 7th: V Laznicka vs D Dvirnyy, 2014
Laznicka lost to Lupulescu on March 14th: V Laznicka vs C Lupulescu, 2014
Lupulescu lost to Topalov on August 5th: Topalov vs C Lupulescu, 2014
Topalov lost to Kramnik on August 6th: Kramnik vs Topalov, 2014
Kramnik lost to Kasimdzhanov on August 8th: Kasimdzhanov vs Kramnik, 2014
Kasimdzhanov lost to Nakamura on August 9th: Nakamura vs Kasimdzhanov, 2014
Nakamura lost to Mamedyarov on August 14th: Mamedyarov vs Nakamura, 2014
Mamedyarov lost to Caruana on September 18th: Caruana vs Mamedyarov, 2014
Caruana hasn't lost since, and so is the current "titleholder".
|Oct-12-14|| ||alexmagnus: Caruana lost to Andreikin in the 7h round of Grand Prix, so Andreikin holds the "one-game title" now.|
|Oct-13-14|| ||alexmagnus: Andreikin lost to Tomashevsky, who now gets the "one-game title".|
|Oct-19-14|| ||alexmagnus: Another "empirical" argument against the rating inflation (with respect to actual skills) talk: Judit Polgar becoming a top-100 player at the age of 12. |
No 12-year-old since came even close to top-100. Also, her "inflation-adjusted" (in terms of inflationists, f.x. by the average of top-100) rating barely grew since she was 12. By some 50 points or so, and now it is probably even lower than it was at 12.
Now, what's more realistic - Polgar having been so close to her peak at 12, or Polgar gaining 180 points between 12 and her peak? I think the latter.
Even Polgar's <rating> at 12 was reached by very few (if at all, didn't look up. But I think Karjakin did).
|Oct-30-14|| ||alexmagnus: <Even Polgar's <rating> at 12 was reached by very few (if at all, didn't look up. But I think Karjakin did).>|
Even Karjakin didn't: his highest rating before his 13th birthday was 2547, Polgar's at 12 and 5 months was 2555.
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 34 OF 34 ·
Take the Premium Membership Tour