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|Nov-21-14|| ||zanzibar: Doing my collection for <Biel izt 1993> I came across this error message for the first time:|
<ERROR: You are limited to 450 games per collection.>
Any possibility that <CG> can relax this restriction?
(<Biel izt 1993> has 481 games, including 14 stubs. I'm not sure what the level should be, let's say 1 or 2k maybe?)
|Nov-22-14|| ||Benzol: <chessgames> Regarding the 450 game limit what was the final ruling about the two collections that made up the New York 1889 tournament?|
Game Collection: New York 1889
Game Collection: New York 1889, Part II
Oh, I've just realized that the two collections total 429 games.
Hopefully <suenteus po 147> will now complete the work he started earlier.
|Nov-22-14|| ||chessgames.com: I think 1000 is overdoing it without a software upgrade. (The editing page surely has already become unfriendly without pagination.) Let's just take it one step at a time—500 for now. Let me know when you run into need for a bigger one.|
|Nov-22-14|| ||chessgames.com: <Whats the point, the actual game? or to display some nonsensical play on words?>
Of course the game is the point. We wouldn't feature mediocre filled blitz game between 1800 players no matter how hilarious of a pun we have. I know a lot of games appear to be picked "just for the pun" but the game should have some merit as well. I can't say we're entirely innocent of that temptation, and some real lemons have slipped through the cracks, but it's to be avoided. |
<[Every] week, there are plenty of GM level games played all around the World that would make great Games of the Day>
Occasionally we feature a recently played game, but for the most part the games that are "in the news" are to be found in <Recent Kibitzing> and also on the homepage <Hot Games> feature. Right now you'll find yesterday's Anand vs Carlsen, 2014 at the top of Hot Games, as you'd expect. No matter what we have as GOTD, the top of Hot Games is truly the game of the day. It would be superfluous for us to make it GOTD.
|Nov-22-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <We wouldn't feature mediocre filled blitz game between 1800 players no matter how hilarious of a pun we have. >|
Too bad. What's mediocre filled mean, anyway?
|Nov-22-14|| ||DPLeo: Hello <chessgames.com>, just wanted to let you know that GM Arkadij Naiditsch did not make a move yesterday.|
|Nov-22-14|| ||zanzibar: Hi <chessgames>, I thought you'd just give me 500. Wonder how 450 ever came about (it not being a nice round D-note).|
First of all, thanks for bumping the limit up, now I can finish off <Biel izt 1993>.
This highlights one of the problems with overloading collections with normalization. I would say a collection should really be different than a tournament. A tournament should be an Event/Site/Year combination in the PGN that users should be to search on.
A collection would then be games of note, either thematically or by player (or even by tournament). Users wouldn't pick them just to group them for purposes of normalization, but for the content of the games inside.
Using <MillBase> (a descendant of the Dutch Rebelbase normalized for use with SCID), I find all of the following tournaments have more than 500 games:
< Date Players Games Elo Site: Event Winner
1 2013.11.08 187 679 2562 Warsaw POL: 19. European Teams
2 2013.10.20 287 880 2447 Rhodes GRE: 29. ECC Open 2013
3 2013.10.10 103 513 2409 Jakarta INA: Indonesia Open 2013
4 2013.08.11 126 550 2669 Tromso NOR: FIDE World Cup 2013
5 2013.07.23 119 662 2367 Belgrade SRB: Spring
6 2013.07.19 209 711 2390 Pardubice CZE: Czech Open A 2013
7 2013.06.09 60 892 2602 Khanty-Mansiysk RUS: FIDE World Blitz 2013
8 2013.05.05 270 1315 2513 Legnica POL: 14. Euro Indiv 2013
9 2013.02.23 226 581 2444 Cappelle la Grande FRA: 29. Open
10 2013.01.22 196 549 2436 Caleta ENG: 11. Gibraltar Masters
11 2012.12.03 88 569 2467 Kolkata IND: 5. Kolkata Open
12 2012.10.27 264 658 2439 St Petersburg RUS: Chigorin Memorial
13 2012.10.11 211 582 2504 Eilat ISR: 28. European Club Cup
14 2012.08.28 607 1990 2477 Istanbul TUR: 40. Olympiad Open
15 2012.08.28 210 522 2348 Istanbul TUR: 40. Olympiad women
16 2012.07.20 223 712 2397 Pardubice CZE: 23. Czech Open A
17 2012.03.20 332 1589 2514 Plovdiv BUL: 13. EICC
18 2012.02.07 128 516 2406 Moscow RUS: 11. Aeroflot Open B
19 2012.01.28 185 686 2442 Moscow RUS: Moscow Open 2012 A
20 2012.01.24 178 574 2458 Caleta ENG: Gibraltar Open
21 2011.11.03 183 640 2570 Porto Carras GRE: 18. European Teams
22 2011.10.14 204 588 2433 St Petersburg RUS: Chigorin Memorial Open
23 2011.09.25 347 857 2468 Rogaska Slatina SLO: 27. ECC
24 2011.07.22 240 694 2389 Pardubice CZE: Czech GM Open A
25 2011.04.10 117 678 2446 Dubai UAE: 13. Dubai Open
26 2011.03.22 333 1242 2519 Aix-les-Bains FRA: 12. ch-EUR
27 2011.02.26 236 547 2441 Cappelle la Grande FRA: 27. Open
28 2011.01.25 163 532 2448 Caleta ENG: Gibraltar Masters
29 2010.12.18 234 572 2483 Warsaw POL: European Rapid Championship
30 2010.10.28 234 669 2439 St Petersburg RUS: Chigorin Mem Classic Open
31 2010.10.17 290 752 2493 Plovdiv BUL: 26. European Club Cup
32 2010.09.21 577 2001 2484 Khanty-Mansiysk RUS: 39. Olympiad Men
33 2010.09.21 217 574 2348 Khanty-Mansiysk RUS: 39. Olympiad women
34 2010.08.03 112 516 2423 Chotowa POL: 49. WJun
35 2010.07.23 246 533 2406 Pardubice CZE: 21. Cz
36 2010.03.06 366 1672 2505 Rijeka CRO: 11. EICC Men
37 2010.03.06 127 533 2354 Rijeka CRO: 11. EICC women
38 2009.12.19 225 571 2447 Warsaw POL: 9. Amplico Life Rapid
39 2009.11.24 210 890 2145 Belgrade, Obrenovac: XXII Belgrade Trophy 09
40 2009.10.22 183 617 2551 Novi Sad SRB: 17. TCh-Eur
41 2009.10.16 238 708 2446 St Petersburg RUS: Chigorin Mem Open
42 2009.10.04 341 908 2472 Ohrid MKD: 25. ECC
43 2009.07.24 247 689 2376 Pardubice CZE: Czech Open A
44 2009.03.06 295 1359 2496 Budva MNE: 10. EICC
45 2008.12.20 232 573 2436 Warsaw POL: 8. Amplico AIG Life Rapid
46 2008.11.13 626 2163 2467 Dresden GER: 38. Olympiad
47 2008.11.13 235 599 2349 Dresden GER: 38. Olympiad women
48 2008.10.17 410 1087 2464 Kallithea GRE: 24. ECC
49 2008.10.13 136 531 2456 Beijing CHN: 1. WMSG Blitz Team
50 2008.08.03 102 500 2444 Gaziantep TUR: WCh-Junior>
That's 50 more tournaments with > 500 games, the max being 2001 (so I was close, but a little under, estimating the current max needed - better make it 3k).
Sorry if the above is unreadable. You can see a better formatted list of the large tournaments here:
|Nov-22-14|| ||zanzibar: By the way, I just noticed that these super-sized tournaments are a recent phenomena, starting from around 2008.|
|Nov-22-14|| ||zanzibar: Another idle-moment suggestion...
To put the number of games at the top and bottom of the list of games in a collection - for both editing and viewing.
At present the number of games only shows up when viewing all user game collections:
zanzibar's Game Collections
or at the bottom of a game collection list when editing:
But nowhere for outside users to see when viewing it:
Game Collection: Biel Interzonal 1993 (FIDE)
(I wanted to see how many games were missing from the 481 total - 14 stub = 467 games. Only two more games to go!)
|Nov-22-14|| ||chessgames.com: <But nowhere for outside users to see when viewing it> That's a good point. I just fixed that.|
|Nov-22-14|| ||chessgames.com: ANNOUNCEMENT
<Re: the Upcoming Holiday Present Hunt>
We've decided that we will welcome puzzle suggestions from members for the annual Chessgames Present Hunt Clues Page.
A few notes:
1. It's OK if you submit a puzzle and also play in the contest. However, obviously, you cannot solve your own puzzle. In fact, you are strictly forbidden to give the slightest hint while the puzzle is online; even tiny things like "You're on the wrong track" or "Google won't help you" are hints.
2. We trust that that nobody will cheat and whisper the answer to a friend. But just to be on the safe side, we're going to avoid giving out the "special prizes" to user-submitted puzzles.
3. To submit puzzles you should be familiar with the contest and have a feel for the diverse nature of clues we give. If you haven't been on this site for a year, you should review the many years of the contest from our Chessgames Present Hunt Clues Page.
4. The puzzles must be solvable, preferably without "hints". We want puzzles that are hard, but not "hard for the wrong reasons." We'd rather have an easy puzzle that's cracked in 5 minutes than a really obscure one that lasts for more than a day. The sweet spot is a puzzle that lasts 2-6 hours, but experience has shown this is very difficult to achieve.
5. Some puzzles that seem almost impossible are easily solvable simply by pasting their contents into Google and studying the results. It's hard to avoid this, but we try to. Before suggesting a puzzle run it through that test and see if Google cracks it instantly.
6. We don't like puzzles that easy to solve only when you have a premium membership. For example, if the Opening Explorer is employed in finding the solution it should involve the first few moves so that non-premium members can get at the answer.
7. If your puzzle needs some graphical representation, that's no problem, just describe what you need and we'll design it from there.
8. Please don't be upset if we don't use your suggestion.
9. Send suggestions to firstname.lastname@example.org. We will let you know if your idea is used so you can be on the lookout for it.
|Nov-22-14|| ||Penguincw: Just a random question that came to my head: what if I submit a puzzle, and someone submits a better puzzle with the same answer, and that game ends up being used? Can I claim the prize upon that game?|
|Nov-23-14|| ||chessgames.com: <GOTD has not changed for today.> Oops! Thanks Phony.|
<Penguincw> I don't know, that sounds like a pretty crazy coincidence. I guess it might happen if two people think of a clue that solves to the first 7 digits of pi, or something like that. (That would take you to C Lutz vs J Tihonov, 2006.) I guess we'll cross that bridge if we come to it.
|Nov-23-14|| ||MissScarlett: Can you explain how often you update the site with regard to submitted games and corrections? I appreciate that you cannot simply wave through all submissions without review, but it's frustrating not knowing when, or if, one's contributions will appear.|
|Nov-23-14|| ||Caissanist: My apologies if this has been mentioned before, but isn't User: Geordi is a spambot, or perhaps a spam person?|
|Nov-23-14|| ||Alien Math: Adding preview then dot, <preview.> before tinyurl.com from Geordi kibitz shows <Preview of TinyURL.com/chessgamesexchange
This TinyURL redirects to:
findings of <http://unipark.de/uc/> appear as German survey site
|Nov-24-14|| ||whiteshark: <User: Geordi> It's a chess-related questionaire (in English; on exchange-sacs) from a German University project.|
Where else would you look for this special 'subject group'? (and 20 post isn't such a big number)
<spambots> Thin about posting thousands of Y-tub music links at the Kibitzer's Café...
|Nov-24-14|| ||chessgames.com: <MissScarlett: Can you explain how often you update the site with regard to submitted games and corrections?> From the admin's point of view both processes look very similar. The admin sees a list of contributions which can be sorted by username, size, type, and most importantly by "time waiting." |
I'm actually processing games right now so I'll give you a little window into what the process looks like.
I see this poor fellow who's been waiting since 2013 and I review his submission. It's been reviewed earlier this year without decision, now it's time for me to finalize it. His first game looks like this:
[White "Loui J."]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 d6 4. d4 Be6 5. d5 Bc8 6. Bxf4 g6 7. Nc3 Bg7 8.
Qd2 Nd7 9. Nf3 a5 10. O-O-O Ngf6 11. e5 dxe5 12. Nxe5 O-O 13. Nc6 bxc6 14.
dxc6 Qe7 15. cxd7 Nxd7 16. Bd5 Rb8 17. Bxc7 Ba6 18. Bxb8 Rxb8 19. Bxf7+ Qxf7
20. Qxd7 Qf4+ 21. Qd2 Qb4 22. Qd5+ Kh8 23. Kd2 Qf4+ 0-1
(Note that it doesn't really say "NN" but I don't want to embarrass who is most likely the submitter. It does however say "Loui J.")
I have several complaints. The [Event "?"] and [Site "?"] is pretty shoddy. No ratings, so I wonder how strong they are. I play through a King's Gambit, it has the typical swashbuckle you expect from that opening. But nothing special that I can see. If you want a game like this to be inserted it would help if you filled out the comments, like "To my knowledge this is the first time 12.Nxe5 has ever been played." or "Black has been a tournament director in Wisconsin for over 50 years" or something that explains why it should be included.
It sort of makes me feel bad, because this guy might have typed the game in by hand, but it doesn't meet our standards. I take solace in the fact that I'm not deleting his contribution, just shuttling it to a backup directory of old forgotten submissions. Conceivably one day this could rise from the grave in an upcoming feature.
Now it's clear if I continue this, I might never get up to the Sep/Nov 2014 submissions, so I scroll to the top of the list and find somebody who's been waiting for a while, but not eons. So glancing at the top of the list, I see waustad. Been waiting for a month. OK, waustad's turn it is. Only one game:
[Event "Steirische Landesliga 2014/2015"]
[White "Moser, Eva"]
[Black "Meszaros, Michal"]
[WhiteTeam "SV Schachamazonen Graz"]
[BlackTeam "SPG Horn Ratten-Krieglach"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 a6 4. a4 Nc6 5. O-O Nf6 6. Re1 e6 7. Bf1 Be7 8. c3 e5
9. d4 Qc7 10. d5 Nd8 11. b4 O-O 12. bxc5 dxc5 13. Na3 Ne8 14. Nc4 f6 15. Qb3
Nf7 16. Qb6 Rb8 17. Be3 Bg4 18. Nfd2 Rc8 19. f3 Bd7 20. Nb3 f5 21. Qxc7 Rxc7
22. Nb6 Nf6 23. Nxd7 Nxd7 24. exf5 c4 25. Nd2 Nd6 26. g4 Bh4 27. Red1 Nf6 28.
Nb1 h6 29. Na3 Rfc8 30. Rab1 Rd7 31. h3 Kf7 32. Rb4 a5 33. Rbb1 Ke7 34. Bb6 Ke8
35. Rb2 Bg3 36. Bxa5 Ra8 37. Bb4 Rxa4 38. Nxc4 1-0
Beautiful. I play through it just to make sure the PGN works, not so much to judge the play quality. The white player is famous, the black player's name rings a bell.
Verdict: inserted. I wish they all could be that easy.
Note that I'm not processing game-by-game but rather member-by-member. So if you uploaded a game yesterday it could easily be inserted today, along with all of your other games that you've been waiting on. (I see you've been waiting since the 20th. We'll get to them soon.)
I went through those two just to give you a flavor of the process. It's very pell mell, I know. Comes to mind that old saying about people who enjoy sausages — they shouldn't see how they are made.
<I appreciate that you cannot simply wave through all submissions without review, but it's frustrating not knowing when, or if, one's contributions will appear.>
I sympathize and it's clear that this is not an efficient way to work. We'll have a better system one day. It's my belief that this job can only be accomplished effectively by crowdsourcing.
|Nov-24-14|| ||chessgames.com: <MissScarlett> One more thing: I notice that a lot of your corrections involve changes to the date and/or round numbers of the games. |
Are you aware that if you were a Chessgames Editor you could change this information without the need for Librarian action? Look at the first section, "GAME EDITING", in the Chessgames Editor Guide.
Becoming an editor is entirely voluntary and I've never asked that anybody volunteer, but I can say this much: if you email me to ask to become an editor, I would be inclined to approve you.
|Nov-24-14|| ||chessgames.com: <User: Geordi> We've always been friendly toward research efforts based on Chessgames data and Chessgames members. Just recently we donated some data to a group at MIT who produced those cool live statistics during Millionaire Chess. Unfortunately this fellow is going about it the wrong way. I'm sure he's not a spambot, I see a sincere chess researcher. Nevertheless, it's spamming by definition. I wrote him an email to explain that.|
|Nov-24-14|| ||Stonehenge: <[Site "Verschiedene"] >|
Verschiedene is German for various.
|Nov-24-14|| ||zanzibar: Hey, <chessgames>, I just submitted a small batch of <Carolus> games for <Biel 1993>.|
I stripped out all PGN headers like these, thinking it made life on <CG> easier:
[WhiteTeam "SV Schachamazonen Graz"]
[BlackTeam "SPG Horn Ratten-Krieglach"] >
So, I can just leave them in? That's better for me...
(Also - you actually play over each game by hand? Do you have also have a program check for legal PGN?)
|Nov-24-14|| ||chessgames.com: <So, I can just leave them in? That's better for me...> Yes, we don't care. The nonstandard PGN tags won't show up in the final version online, but it doesn't do any harm to include them.|
<Also - you actually play over each game by hand? Do you have also have a program check for legal PGN?> Not each and every game: if somebody submits a batch of 40 games we might play through the first two or three to make sure things looks kosher.
Yes, there are multiple layers which check for valid PGN. In spite of that there are still a few quirky things that you can do to get bad PGN into the database, for example neglecting to use the "x" to denote a capture.
|Nov-24-14|| ||john barleycorn: < Stonehenge: <[Site "Verschiedene"] >|
Verschiedene is German for various.>
"miscellaneous" is a better translation.
|Nov-24-14|| ||Alien Math: <john barleycorn: < Stonehenge: <[Site "Verschiedene"] >|
Verschiedene is German for various.>
"miscellaneous" is a better translation.>
A form of verschieden, variety, various or different, common usage in English could be used are miscellaneous form
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