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chessgames.com: <Miss S> You asked <z> this: <Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.> His answer was sensible but perhaps not ...
 
   Aug-16-17 Nakamura vs Kasparov, 2017 (replies)
 
chessgames.com: We tested this game with our upcoming Stockfish feature, you can see the results here: Nakamura vs Kasparov, 2017 [eval] . The skinny is this: Kasparov's 38...Ke5 was inaccurate: 38...g5 would lead to equality, but after Naka played 39.Ke3 the eval was +1.08 in White's ...
 
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chessgames.com: <barleycorn> Thanks for the replies. I'm still confounded, particularly because when I look at the logfile the losing bets I referred to were round 4 bets — I don't see ANY bets for round 6, winning nor losing. What I see is that you haven't been playing lately (which ...
 
   Aug-10-17 Anand vs M Vachier-Lagrave, 2017 (replies)
 
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   Aug-05-17 Sinquefield Cup (2017) (replies)
 
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Aug-13-17
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  chessgames.com: <saffuna> You're welcome.

<zanzibar> Just to let you know, I'm not ignoring your post (in fact I read it twice) but I can't rekindle this debate at this time.

I think we both agree that PGN in Steve Edward's original definition is not fully capable of representing a database as rich as what you find at ChessBase and Chessgames etc. It doesn't even have a mechanism to allow two players named Kurt Richter to co-exist without some kludgy hack like calling one "Kurt2 Richter." I don't regard this a fault of PGN per se, because PGN was designed to describe *games* and not players. So to differentiate the Kurt Richters, something above and beyond the core PGN is required. The exact same situation applies to the Site tags: and to know which cities the Lasker-Steinitz match took place in, as well as which individual games were played in which cities, PGN falls just a little bit short of the mark. (Again, we can't blame PGN, as it's unit of data was intended to be the game and not the locations or players or events.)

That's our common ground (at least I hope it is.) We differ only in the opinions of exactly what that "extra something" should be. I honestly don't know, so I can't even say I disagree with you. Let's continue this discussion, but I'm sorry I cannot discuss it in earnest for a few weeks as I'm very busy with some very important infrastructure changes. Thanks as always for your input.

Aug-13-17
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  john barleycorn: <saffuna: No, <chessgames>, I am just giving the only possible reason that Wesley So would have put me on ignore. I would note however that this is his <player> page, not a <forum>.

Brings up a question: can posters such as <tpstar> and <phony benoni> delete posts on the <tony palmer> and <david moody> player pages, respectively? ...>

your posts on the Wesley So page are still there. monuments for all future generations.

Aug-13-17  Dr Winston OBoogie: <saffuna: No, <chessgames>, I am just giving the only possible reason that Wesley So would have put me on ignore. I would note however that this is his <player> page, not a <forum>. Brings up a question: can posters such as <tpstar> and <phony benoni> delete posts on the <tony palmer> and <david moody> player pages, respectively?>

To answer your question <straight> as opposed to dancing round the subject.. Yes Jim, they can and do. It all depends on how much Daniel likes you and how much you convince him you don't break rules even though he, I mean <if> tpstar broke the rules himself everyday..

Chessgames.. Shall I blow the whistle on these rule infringements or.... In fact never mind :)

Aug-13-17
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  saffuna: I understand. Look at the abuse <alan shaw/perfidious> has taken on his player page. Based on personal conflict, very little related to his chess.
Aug-13-17  Dr Winston OBoogie: Jim.. I assume you're referring to <Big Pawn> ? Well I spoke up about that at the time. Perf should have deleted everything BP said about him, some of it untrue and quite nasty as well. Perfs a good man and if the others get to moderate their forums so should Alan. AJ Goldsby did, I mean he was still made a scapegoat by the admins here but he did moderate his own forum in his final months at the site.

Basically.. If you're in Daniel's good books you can do what you want here. Speak up for yourself, speak out against the special treatment and you're on his blacklist.

Aug-13-17
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  Big Pawn: <speak out against the special treatment and you're on his blacklist.>

"Blacklist?"

Sounds racist to me. Blow the whistle on this guy!

<perf> everything I said about him was both true AND in response to his attacks.

I spanked him good and he's learned to mind his manners a bit.

And as far as the tuna complaining about tga posting about him on his forum with him on ignore, what a joke!

Desperate libs ALWAYS trying to control everyone! And <mark>, you're such a clown that you make bozo look serious.

True humor here. Comedy gold.

Aug-13-17
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  saffuna: <<perf> everything I said about him was both true AND in response to his attacks.>

He has every right to delete them, and not give any reason. That's the rule.

As far as <tga> is considered: A coward, unless he stops posting about me where I can't respond.

Aug-13-17
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  perfidious: I have never asked for the right to moderate my games page, nor do I intend to, despite the content referred to by <Doc W> and <saffuna> and my views on it.
Aug-13-17  Dr Winston OBoogie: That's because unlike some you're "tolerant", Perf. And respect to you for it but I wouldn't have my character assassinated by a racist simpleton like he attempted with you. You're the bigger and better person and I think the whole site would agree with me on that :)
Aug-13-17
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  zanzibar: The stuff on <perf>'s player page stands as testament to the idiocy certain, er, "elite" posters are capable of stooping to.

.

Aug-13-17
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  zanzibar: <chessgames> I appreciate your post, and the time you took to read mine.

These issues aren't going away anytime soon, so there's no real rush. Still, the sooner a good framework is setup, the less work will be needed down the road.

Aug-14-17
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  morfishine: This game should be added as a Rubinstein "notable game" without doubt: Rubinstein vs Bogoljubov, 1922

Its simply brilliant, and especially so since its against the player who boasted "As Black, I win because I'm Bogoljubov"

*****

Aug-14-17
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  zanzibar: <morfishine> put the game in one of your collections - and try to convince your friends to do the same.
Aug-15-17
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  chessgames.com: We'll run it as GOTD soon with one of our outstandingly ingenious puns. That might give it the shove to push it into Rubinstein's top 10 list.
Aug-15-17
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  Big Pawn: < chessgames.com: We'll run it as GOTD soon with one of our outstandingly ingenious puns. That might give it the shove to push it into Rubinstein's top 10 list.>

How's that work?

If x number of people save a game in their favorites collection, it achieves notable game status?

Aug-15-17
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  WannaBe: <Big Pawn> Yes.
Aug-15-17
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  chessgames.com: It just shows the 10 games that are found in the most collections. (People who put the same game in multiple collections are only counted once.)

Some newcomers assume these are games that were selected by some group of editors, but no, it's far more democratic.

The unwanted side-effect of this method is that our democracy is at mercy of the "bully pulpit." If I want to promote games as being notable all I have to do is run it as GOTDs or a puzzle. A good example is A E Post vs Nimzowitsch, 1905. It's actually an obscure game that's hard to find in literature, but because of the quirky endgame, we've been able to use it as GOTD and for stalemate puzzles on many occasions.

Aug-15-17
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  MissScarlett: <Lasker - Steinitz World Championship (1894), New York, NY USA, rd 4, Mar-24

Round 4 game, played in NYC. Fine and dandy, but there's no info about where the tournament was held. Someone might expect all the games were played in NY.>

Might this person not also assume that all games were played on March 24th? Let us credit our hypothetical visitor with a degree of intelligence.

What percentage of games in the DB, would you estimate were played in events that had multiple locations?

Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.

Aug-16-17
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  whiteshark: For some (keyboard layout?) reason it reads <"&‌iexcl;Akiba, Akiba!"> on Rubinstein vs Bogoljubov, 1922 whereas on the cg.com hp it's a sight better: <¡Akiba, Akiba!>
Aug-16-17
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  tuttifrutty: <Big Pawn: < chessgames.com: We'll run it as GOTD soon with one of our outstandingly ingenious puns. That might give it the shove to push it into Rubinstein's top 10 list.>

How's that work?

If x number of people save a game in their favorites collection, it achieves notable game status? Aug-15-17
Premium Chessgames Member WannaBe: <Big Pawn> Yes.>

Watch it...but please don't point finger on me when all of a sudden all Wesley's games becomes GOTD...

Aug-16-17
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  morfishine: Thanks, I added the Ruby game to my collection, we'll see if others do too
Aug-16-17
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  zanzibar: <chessgames> a quick questions.

In my profile, there's this setting:

<( ) Use figurine notation (♔ ♖ ♘ etc.) where possible>

Notice that I don't want figurine notation, and yet, it is forced on me on game pages:

Nakamura vs Kasparov, 2017

I don't like figurine, for several reasons. One of which is simply the readability.

Another is the omission of information - like checks and capture notations.

Anyways- the question is this:

<Why, it my preference is for non-figurine notation, do I see it at all?>

Aug-16-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  zanzibar: <<Missy> Might this person not also assume that all games were played on March 24th? Let us credit our hypothetical visitor with a degree of intelligence.>

At present, it is hypothetical, though not the visitor's...

<What percentage of games in the DB, would you estimate were played in events that had multiple locations?>

You tell me. (But first tell me why it's a concern)

<Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.>

I prefer preferable - but this begs the essential question.

You have never elaborated why the GameSite/comment approach doesn't suit you, in either an operational or functional sense. I suppose it's strictly a matter of esthetics then?

Let's start with a simple, and very specific question - what software are you running at home, if any, my dear <Missy>?

Aug-17-17
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  chessgames.com: <zanzibar> <In my profile, there's this setting:

<( ) Use figurine notation (♔ ♖ ♘ etc.) where possible>>

Keen eye my friend. That feature hardly does a thing yet, but soon it will be implemented in all sorts of places.

<Notice that I don't want figurine notation, and yet, it is forced on me on game pages>

Yes, that's because pgn4web uses only figurine notation.

<I don't like figurine, for several reasons. One of which is simply the readability.>

I feel for you. Another valid reason is that cutting-and-pasting brings up difficulties. Some people just don't like that font. These are all good reasons to make it a preference option and not force it on people.

<Another is the omission of information - like checks and capture notations.>

That's a byproduct of pgn4web code—you can't hang that one on figurine notation.

<Anyways- the question is this: Why, it my preference is for non-figurine notation, do I see it at all?>

There are at least two major projects taking place behind the scenes right now at CG which should bear fruit in 3-6 weeks. One is the creation of a new viewer to provide an alternative to pgn4web. I am hoping it will be so hands-down better than pgn4web that it will become the default. It will respect your figurine setting, and it will also show checks and captures (whether or not you activate figurines.)

The other major project (which we've been leaking out in dribs and drabs) is our powerful dedicated Stockfish server. It's not just for stuffing the Opening Explorer with variations, it's also for analyzing entire games (see Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 [eval] for a taste.)

So in short, the option is available now even though it does very little, but in the future it will become more important, and might even become the default setting if the site becomes more international. I know we have a lot of Spanish, Russian, Indian (etc.) members who are clever enough to be multilingual when it comes to chess notation—but to provide them with figurines would be a nice feature for them. And of course, some English speakers prefer algebraic figurine notation as well.

Stay tuned! The new changes are going to be great.

Aug-17-17
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  chessgames.com: <Miss S>

You asked <z> this:

<Instead of having a special <GameSite> tag, it would be prefrable to have, where required, an <EventSite> one, in the same way one has the optional <EventDate(s)> tag.>

His answer was sensible but perhaps not very clear. Not to put words in his mouth, but I've discussed it with him enough that I think I can give an answer that cuts to the chase.

If you invent a new tag, current software will either ignore it entirely or display it as a side-effect with no real change in the software's behavior. That's how it goes with adding non-standard tags.

Therefore, if we use the standard <Site> tag to represent ALL of the cities that an event takes place in, and then use an invented tag to store the SPECIFIC city that particular game took place in, software like SCID will have an easy time grouping the games from that tournament. It will see the same <Event> names, the same <Sites>, the same (or close) years, and therefore know to group them. Meanwhile our invented nonstandard <GameSite> tag will contain important information but it will be either ignored or displayed in some fashion depending on the software you employ.

However, if we use the <Site> tag to represent only the city that the specific game took place, and an invented <EventSite> tag to store all of the cities, SCID (and other databases) will ignore our invented tag and be confounded when trying to group the games into a tournament automatically.

As I said before I don't want to rekindle this argument now, but that's what (I believe) it really comes down to.

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