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   Oct-06-15 chessforum (replies) Boomie; we're working on it. The official site ( ) has PGN like this (just a snippet) 8. Qxd4 {[%clk 1:28:13] } Bg7 {[%clk 1:25:08] } 9. Be3 100 12255 100 12255 0 0 9234 0 0:00:01 0:00:01 --:--:-- 33853 {[%clk 1:26:45] } O-O {[%clk 1:22:54] } 10. ...
   Oct-06-15 16th Poikovsky Karpov Tournament (2015) (replies) Fun fact: you can always check CG server time here:
   Oct-06-15 Biographer Bistro (replies) <The editor notes section has become a deluge of location amendments> Do you want a logfile system or don't you? There should be a deluge of entries, because there has been a deluge of edits. The point of Editor Notes is not so we can peruse the Editor Notes at our ...
   Oct-05-15 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies) The leaderboard is correct as it stands. The winner of the Summer Chessbookie Leg is <<SwitchingQuylthulg>> with a whopping 42,996 chess bucks. He receives a free year of Chessgames membership. By my count that's the 9th time he has come in first place. The other ...
   Oct-03-15 World Cup (2015) (replies) Everybody is invited to join us for third round, broadcast live: Svidler vs Karjakin, 2015 .
   Sep-18-15 A Matanovic vs H Kramer, 1951 (replies) The reason for the = notation is this miracle draw discovered by Stockfish: 72...Re1! 73.Ra7+ Kh6 (...Kg8? 74.Kxe1 h2 75.Bc4+ ) 74.Ra8 h2 75.Rh8+! Nh7 76.Rg8! and Black has nothing better than the perpetual, ...Ng5 Rh8+
   Sep-08-15 Wei Yi vs J Santos Latasa, 2015 (replies)
   Sep-07-15 Sinquefield Cup (2015) (replies) A number of off-topic posts have been deleted here. If you'd like to discuss world politics please use a member chess forum, the Kibitzer's Cafe, or the page of Kenneth Rogoff.
   Aug-31-15 W So vs Nakamura, 2015 (replies) <Actually changed GSM's "Mate Me in St. Louis" to "Mate You in St. Louis"> That was actually a typographical error. It should conform to the movie title as closely as possible. Corrected. Pun aside, it truly is a remarkable game.
   Aug-27-15 Aronian vs Carlsen, 2015 (replies) Please note that Friday is a rest day; this game will begin on Saturday at 2pm USA/Eastern.
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Premium Chessgames Member <Miss S> Sorry, your submission didn't go through. The last game we received was Capablanca vs Harold Godfrey Cole, 1913.

Incidentally, if you are ever unsure if a submission didn't go through, there's never any harm in submitting it again. It won't create duplicates.

Oct-05-15  zanzibar: Question about Opening Explorer's identifcation of "novelties":

In CK 4...Nd7 variation

Opening Explorer

I Rabinovich vs A Selezniev, 1914

is identified as first game, but there's also this:

A A Smorodsky vs Nimzowitsch, 1914

The latter was St. Petersburg (1914), the former Triberg (1914).

I think St. Petersburg came first, but the question is this -

<How does Opening Explorer determine who came first when there are several games from the same year?>

I suspect it's arbitrary, and would suggest showing the multiple possibilities in such cases.

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  Penguincw: Hi <cg>. The Summer 2015 leg is over, so you can/should begin checking the logfiles.
Oct-05-15  sonia91: <> Now World Cup (thanks for the coverage) it's over, I think you should upload games from other major tournaments currently underway (on October 1 you wrote "Agreed, we've gotten caught up in Baku fever, meanwhile other major events are taking place."): Poikosvsky (as you did in the previous years: Tournament Index search: "poikovsky"), FIDE Women's Grand Prix currently underway in Montecarlo (previous years: Tournament Index search: "women%27s grand prix"), PokerStars International Chess Tournament (last year: Tournament Index search: "pokerstars").

All the PGNs can be found on ChessBomb.

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  Annie K.: <sonia91> ChessBomb gamescores are not downloadable (to non-members at least) as a single large PGN file for the whole tournament, with header data et al, so it would be a very inconvenient source for <cg> to use. Finding actual PGN file sources for the tournaments you would like to see here would help a lot. :)
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  Annie K.: Poikovsky 2015 games from TWIC:

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  Annie K.: FIDE Women's Grand Prix PGN source (not yet uploaded):

PokerStars 2015 from TWIC:

Premium Chessgames Member <Zanzibar> I had to check the code to make sure, but the "debut" works like you'd think it would, it finds the one with the earliest date. (Not year, date.)

However, there's a wrinkle. If the exact date of a game is unknown, it will show up as 1914-00-00 as opposed to 1914-01-06, so the one with the unknown date will always appear to be the debut, since 00 is less than 01.

(If two games are tied at 1914-00-00 it will pick one randomly, or at least in an unpredictable fashion.)

Arguably, it ought not do that; perhaps only games with known dates should be allowed to compete for the debut.

In any case, if we found out the actual date of I Rabinovich vs A Selezniev, 1914 and updated it, after some time the OE will reprocess that node and switch the debut game.

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  Annie K.: <sonia> ChessBomb, ChessDom, chess24 are all the same story: they only allow download to members. Try TWIC or the official sites for free PGN files. :)
Oct-05-15  sonia91: The PGNs can be downloaded also from chess24
Premium Chessgames Member About our network outages:

Today we signed a contract to rent a sophisticated router and switch from our hosting company. The flakey hardware will still be used for 2-3 more days, but they've agreed to reboot the machine, if needed, until they get the new equipment in place.

We're very sorry for these problems and hope that they are permanently resolved before the weekend.

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  Annie K.: Great news. :)
Premium Chessgames Member Here are two events to whet your appetite, more on the way:

16th Poikovsky Karpov Tournament (2015)

PokerStars IoM Masters (2015)

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  Penguincw: Uh <cg>, it seems that on the homepage, you linked it to the 2014 PokerStars IomM page: PokerStars IoM Masters (2014).

The one you listed above is the correct one.

Oct-05-15  zanzibar: <chessgames>

<(If two games are tied at 1914-00-00 it will pick one randomly, or at least in an unpredictable fashion.)

Arguably, it ought not do that; perhaps only games with known dates should be allowed to compete for the debut.>

That's close to my argument, I would propose listing a "reasonable" number of the ties.

Please note: having the exact date vs just the year should be considered a tie as well.

Oct-05-15  zanzibar: It would probably be too much to ask, but it would be nice to have two debuts for an opening line - the earliest example, and the "pratical" debut, i.e. the game which is accepted as causing the opening to be adopted in "general practice".

Capablanca vs Marshall's famouse game comes to mind.

But, like I said, it's probably too much to ask for, and a little redundant with the notable game list for a given opening.

Premium Chessgames Member < on the homepage, you linked it to the 2014 PokerStars IomM> Ooops, thanks so much.
Oct-06-15  Boomie: <>

Perhaps a page for <FIDE Women Grand Prix 2015-16> should be opened. Just about everyone who's anyone in women's chess is playing.

Premium Chessgames Member Boomie; we're working on it. The official site ( has PGN like this (just a snippet)

8. Qxd4 {[%clk 1:28:13]} Bg7 {[%clk 1:25:08]} 9. Be3 100 12255 100 12255 0 0 9234 0 0:00:01 0:00:01 --:--:-- 33853 {[%clk 1:26:45]} O-O {[%clk 1:22:54]} 10. Qd2 {[%clk 1:26:59]}

It's going to be a mess to clean up. Can anybody find the TWIC dossier for it?

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  notyetagm: < ... It's going to be a mess to clean up. Can anybody find the <<<TWIC dossier>>> for it?>

I just checked. I do not see a <TWIC DOSSIER> for this Women's GP event.



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Does this mean "percentage of time spent calkulating the move?"

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  SwitchingQuylthulg: TWIC file:
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  Annie K.: <cg> hmm... just as I already said, it looks like FIDE itself is pushing for this clock info inclusion in the PGN lately.

And I'm still wondering if maybe we'll just have to accept that this format is going to be the standard a few years down the road, and get the viewers to accommodate it - in which case, "cleaning up" these "early model" PGNs may eventually become something we'd regret doing. :\

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  Knight13: <> To what extent do intentionally bleeped out profane words count against rule #1 of posting guidelines? Does context matter?
Oct-06-15  zanzibar: Actually, isn't the clock info encoded inside standard PGN comments?

So, shouldn't the cleanup be as easy as stripping out comments?

I downloaded one round from the tournament, and I couldn't find any nonconforming PGN.

Is <CG> adding the extra fluff, e.g. after 9.Be in the snippet here: chessforum (kibitz #23556)

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