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   Oct-23-16 Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship (2016) (replies)
jnpope: Would a format change like this... jnpope chessforum worthwhile? Would something like this cause a decline in the interest/quality of play or would it broaden the interest (i.e. more of a bloodsport where they fight for every point)?
   Oct-16-16 Saint Amant / M.F. de B vs Morphy, 1858
jnpope: The earliest source I've found so far gives initials for St. Amant's partner as: "F. de l'A." (source: Paul Morphy. Skizze aus der Schachwelt. Zweiter Theil., 1859, p28). I've have always suspected that the amateur "F." was <de l'Angleterre> (de l'A.). Which would be: Mr. F. ...
   Oct-09-16 jnpope chessforum
jnpope: Expanding upon my crazy idea posted elsewhere... Keep the World Championship match at a twelve "point" maximum (so we can keep the same schedule for the sponsors, etc.). The purse is split into two parts, 40% for the players as a base, and the remaining 60% is broken up into twelve ...
   Oct-07-16 Carlsen Play Live Simul (2016) (replies)
jnpope: Ah, another account goes on ignore. Stupidity abounds...
   Sep-29-16 Charles Seymour Whitman
jnpope: The Texas tower shooting was in 1966 by Charles Joseph Whitman.
   Sep-29-16 Blackburne - Zukertort (1887)
jnpope: <Dr. Zukertort has recently written to a friend in this country as follows: "It is over a year now that I quitted America, broken in health and chess reputation, as I found on my return to Europe. Of course, I was nobody, and I soon found during the tournament in London that I was
   Sep-26-16 Biographer Bistro (replies)
jnpope: <chessical>: I noticed you didn't use any of the St. Louis Globe-Democrat which has been available online since 2011 thanks to Joost van Winsen:
   Sep-21-16 Steinitz vs G Generes, 1883
jnpope: Played January 2nd, 1883, at the Chess Club on Common St., which I believe is barely outside of the French Quarter boundary.
   Sep-02-16 Pillsbury vs P Richardson, 1894
jnpope: I still call it a training match, but perhaps it was just a series of training games. I have no idea if there were a predefined set of conditions in place (necessary for a match in my opinion). Then again, I have no evidence that it was only a series either; i.e. no conditions and ...
   Aug-28-16 Steinitz vs Chigorin, 1889 (replies)
jnpope: This was a brilliancy prize game apparently... <<When Steinitz and Tschigorin met in the chess tournament in Havana last winter, Prince Dadian, of Mingrelia, announced that he would give a prize of three hundred francs to be awarded to the winner of the most brilliant game of ...
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  jnpope: I've begun revamping the Library over at the CA website. I'm still conducting my year-end survey of all the new books Google has added over the years.

The new format for the Library page is based on contributing library. I'm about 1/3rd complete. After this phase will be an attempt to color-code the entries to identify volumes which are incomplete.

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  thomastonk: <None of them can be attributed as being played by Philidor> I think it is even worse with other authors, say Gioachino Greco.

<Once CG starts deleting fake games I'll start posting real games...> I wish you success!

<Are they still writing that book?> Before the book was delivered a third party ruined my motivation for further serious contributions. This goes on for years.

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  Tabanus: <Not sure how somebody goes about getting mis-attributed games removed from this site.> Just click on Error Correction Form (represented below each game, player, and tournament as "submit a correction slip") and leave your comments. I'm sure Daniel will listen.

And thanks for your wonderful Chess Archaeology site!

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  TheFocus: Also list a source if you can. That really helps.
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  wordfunph: <jnpope> Merry Christmas!
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  zanzibar: And a quick note to you <jn>, I've found the new <Field> sources very helpful for <Baden-Baden (1870)>.

Many thanks.

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  zanzibar: <jn> I have various newspaper clips relating to <1st American Chess Congress (1857)>, including some NY Daily Tribunes missing from O'Keefe.

I'd like to somehow convey them over.


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  zanzibar: Also, is there a way to indicate missing sections for the reference works in your great index page?

Emanuel Lasker (kibitz #2094)

<ACB v7 (1910)> seems to lack about 10-20 pages (? some number, specifically p140).

A simple asterisk next to the link, with a footnote, would at least serve as a heads up.

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  jnpope: I'm definitely interested in the missing NY Daily Tribune coverage (not to mention any other coverage). I'll take whatever you have to offer.

As for marking incomplete issues in the CA library... sounds good. I'll add something to denote that issue as being incomplete. I haven't had a chance to check every item for completeness, so if you notice any other issues with missing pages just let me know.

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  zanzibar: <JN> Sorry, I missed your response out of neglect by not checking back.

Do you have an email or file-upload location? I could email them directly to you.

(If you wish, you can send me your email via a comment on my blog - since I moderate all comments, I'll delete the comment without publishing it.

Or would you prefer that I copy the scans to google drive and post links here? (Lots of ways to skin a cat...)

I'd like to set up a system where I can just send them off to you as I find 'em during research.

OK, let me know, and thanks.

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  jnpope: You should be able to send me an email to npope at my site.
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  zanzibar: Thanks, I'll try to go through my notes and see at least a couple of articles over tomorrow.
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  zanzibar: <jn> just sent two clippings for a start. Thanks.
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  jnpope: Thanks! It worked. I grabbed a larger set of images from the Library of Congress, but please keep sending along anything you find.
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  zanzibar: We're good to go then. Super.

Don't expect to sent too many updates, but it's nice to know the channel is open. Thanks again.

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  offramp: Could you answer a question at Alexandre Louis Honore Lebreton Deschapelles ?
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  Tabanus: <jnpope> Perhaps wrong of me to reveal the CG name of Thomas Niessen, but on the other hand, he did not make any ref. to the Popert page!

I'm no longer an editor. I deleted a bio made by another person (to enhance my point on off-topic posting on player pages), and replaced it with "Louis Stompers, American liberal jerk". The "house trolls" (and I'm not using the ignore list) now showed their touching concern for player bios, that I was a liability, etc. And CG did not take my point. Or pretended not to. So I asked them to remove me as an editor. Unfortunately there are no other sites that I know of having player pages with bio sections.

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  jnpope: I've been having difficulty reconstructing the following corrupt gamescores... I figured I would throw them out here to see if anyone would like to take a swing at solving them:

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  zanzibar: < I've been having difficulty reconstructing the following corrupt gamescores...>

No kidding!

Tidbit A:

Black's move 3, and White's 15 suggest difficulties ahead.

Black's 34 is the end of the line, but 34. Q to B3 is a good last ditch effort.

That gets one to move 36 and the end of any claim to a possible factual reconstruction.

As for the fiction which follows no real comment can suffice - but reality has never hindered my efforts before (cf. various Bistro suggestion of late)...


1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qa5 4.d4 Bf5 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.h3 Bh5 7.g4 Bg6 8. Ne5 e6 9.Bg2 c6 10.Bf4 Nf6 11.Qd2 Bb4 12.Nc4 Qd8 13.O-O-O Na6 14.a3 Be7 15.Rde1 Nd5 16.Nxd5 cxd5 17.Ne5 O-O 18.Bf1 Rc8 19.Nxg6 hxg6 20. Bxa6 bxa6 21.Re3 Bf6 22.Rc3 Qe7 23.Re1 Qb7 24.Ree3 Qb6 25.Red3 Rxc3 26.Qxc3 g5 27.Be3 Qd6 28.Qd2 Qe7 29.h4 g6 30.hxg5 Bg7 31.Bf4 f6 32. gxf6 Qxf6 33.Be3 Qf3 34.Qd1 Qf6 35.f4 Re8 36.Rd2 Qd8 37.Rh2 Qd6 38. Qd3 Qe7 39.Qxa6 Rb8 40.Qd3 Qb7 41.b3 Qe7 42.a4 Kf7 43.Rh3 Rh8 44.Rxh8 Bxh8 45.f5 gxf5 46.gxf5 e5 47.dxe5 Bxe5 48.Kd2 d4 49.Bf2 Bf4+ 50.Kd1 Be3 51.Bxe3 Qxe3 52.Qxe3 dxe3 53.Ke2 1-0


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  zanzibar: This is rather hopeless - but having foisted it upon us, you deserve the harvest...

Tidbit B:


1.e4 e5 2.f4 d6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bd7 5.fxe5 dxe5 6.Nxe5 Be6 7.d4 c6 8.Bc4 Bxc4 9.Nxc4 b5 10.Ne5 b4 11.Nb1 Nxe4 12.O-O Nf6 13.Qd3 Be7 14.Nd2 O-O 15.h3 Nd5 16.Ndc4 Bf6 17.Qg3 h6 18.Bd2 a5 19.Rae1 Ra7 20.Re4 Kh7 21.Rg4 Rg8 22.Re4 Re8 23.Rg4 h5 24.Re4 g6 25.Ne3 Qb6 26.Kh1 Nxe3 27.Bxe3 c5 28.Qf4 Ra6 29.Qh6+ Kg8 1-0


I did manage to construct a nice tactical position after 25...Qb6

Bang (kibitz #183)

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  jnpope: Argg... there was a "B2" section to B game I forgot to give a link for...

Ok, I just combined B and B2 and uploaded a "complete" B game. This is the main thing that makes this game hard to decipher as printed.

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  zanzibar: Are you going to post the "complete" B game?

And reveal the sources of the clips?

(I notice the wily hiding of player names.)

If it was me I would include such games with special care - including comments about the difficulties of transcribing, and also giving source reference(s).

I would even be inclined to include the raw transcription of the descriptive notation, as a comment, at the point where the game goes off the rails.

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  jnpope: B is posted as complete (hit refresh in your browser if you are still seeing the old image). You can also "hack" the URL and add a "2" to B.jpg (to become B2.jpg) to see the last couple of moves).

Sources and names are currently being withheld as it is part of ongoing research.

<If it was me I would include such games with special care - including comments about the difficulties of transcribing, and also giving source reference(s).

I would even be inclined to include the raw transcription of the descriptive notation, as a comment, at the point where the game goes off the rails.>

Are you looking at my manuscript? (checking my room for hidden cameras now). That's exactly how I approached it. However, if at all possible, I'd like to present a "solved" version of the games.

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  jnpope: <Zanzibar>: Your reconstruction to the A-game is similar to my own, the key differences are:

I went with 15.Rhe1 (14-ply analysis from Rybka suggests the sequence between White's 15th and 23rd moves are marginally stronger if 15.Rhe1; also, it keeps the rooks "linked" after 18.Bf1), but admittedly this could go either way.

The next difference is you have 37.Rh2 Qd6 38.Qd3 and I went with 37.Qf1 Qd6 38.Rh2. While your sequence makes use of "Q to Q3" for White, I felt that it was just a typesetter's duplication error of Black's move, otherwise the g6-pawn is left hanging when Black plays 38...Qe7.

Then we are identical until the last few moves... you have 49...Bf4+ 50.Kd1 Be3 51.Bxe3 Qxe3 52.Qxe3 dxe3 53.Ke2 (which is appealing even if it adds a move pair), whereas I went with 49...Qb4+ 50.Ke2 Bf6 51.Qc4+ Qxc4 52.bxc4.

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  jnpope: Expanding upon my crazy idea posted elsewhere...

Keep the World Championship match at a twelve "point" maximum (so we can keep the same schedule for the sponsors, etc.).

The purse is split into two parts, 40% for the players as a base, and the remaining 60% is broken up into twelve 5% chunks for the winner of each "point".

Players start the day with the classical game, if that ends in a tie, they reverse colors and play a best of three action-like mini-match (30 minutes each side+30 sec/move). If that match ends in a tie, colors are reversed again and now they play a five game rapid mini-match (15 minutes each side + 15 sec/move), if that ends in a tie they reverse colors and go to a seven game speed mini-match (10 minutes+10 sec/move each), and if that is somehow a tie, reverse colors again and play a 9 game blitz match (5 minutes+5 sec/move). If at any point one competitor wins one of these mini-matches they score that days' "point". If after all these mini-matches they are still tied then they split the "point" and purse for the day.

Of course there would be some appropriate breaks between mini-matches to eat, rest, recover, etc., just so long as the "point" is resolved in the same day. And as always, if the 12-"point" match ends in a 6-6 tie the champion retains the title.

If the match is "over" early on (in regards to the title), the players still have an incentive to keep fighting for each days' portion of the purse.

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