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   Nov-13-18 Kenneth S Rogoff (replies)
 
johnlspouge: < <SugarDom> wrote: Have you read about many millions killed by Stalin, Hitler and Mao? > The best "look over there" ever.
 
   Nov-05-18 johnlspouge chessforum
 
johnlspouge: I stuck to home base and watched David Bruce's video on musical composition and the Fibonacci numbers. It's worse. I don't even know enough about musical composition to feel like a chimpanzee! Thanks, <Tommy>. It's always pleasant to hear from you. I hope all is well.
 
   Oct-10-18 Louis Stumpers (replies)
 
johnlspouge: The WP article conveys its basic point with a hypothetical case: it is known that Hall always chooses to open Door #2, if he can. That is, if he opens Door #3, the car must be behind Door #2. The corresponding probability for the car being behind Door #3 is 1, not 2/3: Monty's ...
 
   Sep-11-18 Y Zherebukh vs Akobian, 2017 (replies)
 
johnlspouge: The White Rd1 is overburdened, defending the back rank mate on the rank and the Nd7 on the file. It therefore may not move, but 28...Rd2 ensures that it must.
 
   Jul-29-18 FSR chessforum (replies)
 
johnlspouge: I am puzzled by failure of the link, but yes, it led to an article different from your three. Thanks for them. Here is the direct link to "my" Guardian article. "Heatwave made more than twice as likely by climate change, scientists find" [ https://www.theguardian.com/environ... ...
 
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Feb-24-18  Nisjesram: <amp: One of the problems with forums is that owners have a perpetual power of deletion. Sometimes posts are deleted which leave a string of incomprehensible posts>

True, <offramp>.

See , what is happening is that <thegoodanarchist> is playing a farce which I explain by his recent action - he commented on one of my posts in rogoff forum and said that I made an empty/bald assertion with circular logic etc. Now, that is usual stupidity of <thegoodanarchist> - the post he commented on was one of a series of posts and evidence/proof/test of the assertion mentioned by me was in other posts of mine. He does this all the time and then posts insulting remarks about me in his forum and implicitly invites <big pawn> (who is most obnoxious/notrious troll of this site) to insult me in his forum as well.

So, this time I posted all of my posts of the thread that he commented on in his forum so that he does not miss any - you see , in rogoof forum , so many people posting and therefore all posts of one thread get scattered and perhaps that is why <the good anarchist> missed other posts of mine and made a fool of himself. That is why I posted all those posts in his forum so that he does not miss any and does not make a fool of himself again.

I have always tried to help <thegoodanarchist> in physics/maths, teachings of jesus , spirituality and philosophy - all those areas where <thegoodanarchist> is very weak and almost always makes fool of himself.

And instead of thanks I get insults. That is why I decided to leave chessgames.com forever where ungrateful idiots like <thegoodanarchist> and <big pawn> keep on posting nonsense all the time.

From now on , I will post only under special circumstances.

Thank you
Namaste

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: Part 1

<spouge: @<thegoodanarchist>: 1.If God does not exist, then objective moral values do not exist.

If any entity possesses "God"'s ability to ground objective moral values, the first premise is not only implausible but false.

When you realize that the first premise is about the transcendental, and that people have mythologized about it for centuries (feel free to read that as "made stuff up"), it is absurd to think that the job specifically requires a maximal being>

1) That is absolutely correct , <johnlspouge>.

2)I think your theory and my theory is same in essence but for just one difference.

3)it is same in that in my theory the locus of omv was created by Absolute at the time universe was created and neither creator of universe nor locus of omv need any qualities/attributes of god of classical theism

In your theory also, locus of omv (which is Bob) , gets power to be locus of omv from Zeus and neither Zeus nor Bob need to have any qualities/attributes of god of classical theism.

This is the first time I am reading your post about Bob and I have not read any other post about this.

Am I getting it right up to here , <johnlspouge> ?

Thank you.

About difference in next post

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: Part 2
4)difference is that in your theory Zeus is 'personal god' but does not have qualities/attributes of 'personal god' of classical theism whereas in my theory creator of universe is not 'personal god' but Absolute which has no qualities/attributes what so ever.

And Absolute created locus of omv when it created universe.

Am I getting it right up to here , <johnlspouge> ?

Thank you

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <big pawn> < <thegoodanatchist> i think this particular round, with <jls>, has been overwhelmingly in favor of theism> Take note rogoff posters - <thegoodanarchist> ignored this point of <big pawn> . he did not want to embarrass himself apparently.

I can guarantee you people that <thegoodanarchist> will run away before long or he will admit that omv argument is one of most stupid argument ever.

How do I know ?

Because I had not seen this theory of 'Bob' given by <johnlspouge> so far and it is the sane theory in essence as my theory but for one difference which I mentioned above and I am ten thousand times smarter than <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> and I know they are busted.

And <johnlspouge> is ten thousand times smarter than me and therefore he can articulate my theory much, much better for these two idiots <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist>.

So , it seems we have finally reached the climax of most stupid movie ever - 'omv argument'

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <goodanarchist: <johnlspouge: ďGodís nature is the standardĒ. How do we know Bob isnít God? > Spoiler alert! Stop reading if you don't want to know the answer. <jls> told us the answer.

<johnlspouge:

On the contrary, deliberately on my part, Bob does not meet the criteria for being God. >>

Like I told you guys repeatedly - <thegoodanarchist> is a childish , immature idiot.

He is jumping around "spoiler alert" as if he has said something very smart.

I have just entered this conversation , have not read previous posts of this thread and still I am almost certain that <thegoodanarchist> is making a fool of himself.

In all the probability , <johnlspouge> here means that <Bob> is not god of classical theism.

<thegoodanarchist> , grow up idiot.

You make fool of yourself all the time and while you make fool of yourself, you get excited too "look I am so smart - spoiler alert"

What a clown

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <hegoodanarchist: <BP: Quite the opposite. You come across as someone who's never given serious thought to the subject, winging it, shooting from the hip, and it's showing.> And I answered this earlier on the page, here:

Kenneth S Rogoff (kibitz #319094)

Basically, <jls> needs to state what his argument is.

Does he deny the conclusion of the moral argument? Is he trying to refute the first premise, or just show that the first premise is interchangeable with another first premise, of an entity that derives authority from god?>

1)like I told you guys earlier - <thegoodanarchist> is childish, immature, stupid.

2)fool , you have not understood the argument of <johnlspouge> so far? . I just entered this conversation and have not read previous posts and still I know what <johnlspouge> talking about.

3)idiot, argument of <johnlspouge> is that god of first premise does not need to have any qualities/attributes of god of classical theism.

<thegoodanarchist> and <big pawn> - these two clowns deserve each other

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <johnlspouge>: Here, in parallel to the role of God in the OMV argument, Bob is the locus of OMVs. Bob has all the properties of the God of classical theism including the ability to ground moral values (by fiat, he could even ground exactly the same moral values as God is supposed to, whatever they may be). Bob is subordinate to Zeus, however, and therefore not a maximal being, so the first premise is false. <Nisjesram> obviously understands my point, so at this stage, I will not belabor it, as it is clear. The OMV argument is worthless
Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <big pawn> <ct is, most professional philosophers agree with the first premise, atheists and theists alike, as I showed <jls> here.> 1)can anybody be more stupid than <big pawn>?

2)first, it does not matter a bit what other philosophers, experts etc. think about it .

Why?

Here : almost every physicist believed in 'ether' and their belief turned out to be false. Even someone as stupid a physicist as <thegoodanarchist> should know this . and there are many such cases in history of humans.

3)so, you don't have any evidence in support of your stupid theory ? Only support is invoking the authority of philosophers?

4)and there too you are wrong as I showed earlier - uncaused cause is not 'personal god' but Absolute , so believe many philosophers . I gave links to you, ignorant fool. However as <saffuna> says rightly , you not interested in truth.

5)and there is evidence in support of Absolute from spiritualists - those who live real teachings of jesus.

Whereas your stupid theory has no evidence

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <pawn: <Bob is subordinate to Zeus, however, and therefore not a maximal being, so the first premise is false.> IF Bob is not a maximally great being then his nature is not The Good and therefore his nature cannot be the foundation of moral values. Busted.

<ohio>, are you catching any of this>

Is <ohiochessfan> as stupid as you ?

Fool, who is talking about good? We talking about 'objective' moral values here - good or bad is judgement of idiots like you.

It does not matter whether you call an objective moral value good or bad. It is the way it is .

Do you even know what objective moral value means ?

This is your argument - objective moral value should be good and it can be good only if it comes from maximally great being .

Are you retarded?

Even if we assume that locus of omv is good , it does not have to be maximally great being.

In specific , it does not have to have those attributes of god of classical theism such as - timeless, spaceless , omnipotent, creator of universe.

<ohiochessfan> are you listening ?

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <johnlspouge: Here, in parallel to the role of God in the OMV argument, Bob is the locus of OMVs. Bob has all the properties of the God of classical theism including the ability to ground moral values (by fiat, he could even ground exactly the same moral values as God is supposed to, whatever they may be). > This point has already been refuted. <God doesn't have the "ability". It's God own nature that is The Good, as a maximally great being, that makes him uniquely qualified to be the foundation of morality.>>

<,big pawn> busted again.

This point of <big pawn> has been refuted many times.

<big pawn> says < <God doesn't have the "ability". It's God own nature that is The Good, as a maximally great being, that makes him uniquely qualified to be the foundation of morality>

Do you have any clue what <johnlspouge> is saying?

He saying it is your empty claim that nature of god of omv is nature of maximally great being. You have nothing to show for this empty claim other than call to authority of some philosophers (and many philosophers disagree with this claim as I showed earlier ).

God of johnlspouge is not maximally great being. It does not have to be.

Just if you see a word 'ability' and interpret in your own way that does not mean you have refuted. That means you are stupid.

Here 'ability' means god of theory of <johnlspouge> does not have nature of maximally great being and therefore not that ability either.

You catching on straws once again . using semantics instead of getting to the essence

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <big pawn: so it's not a matter of ability, yet you seem to not understand this, repeating it as you are and unable to respond to my refutation. This is why you say, <<Nisjesram> obviously understands my point, so at this stage, I will not belabor it, as it is clear. The OMV argument is worthless.>

Unable to refute either premise, by his own admission, and unable to cope with my defeating his try that God's ability grounds moral values by showing that it is God's nature itself that is The Good, <jls> simply says <The OMV argument is worthless.>

That's all he has.

<Tga>, do you see that this is all he has?

I mean, do you <really> see that?>

See my post above <thegoodanarchist> and <big pawn> where I addressed this point of 'ability'

Frankly, you two are embarrassing yourselves so badly that you can not expect someone of the stature of <johnlspouge> to bother with you.

Even I am finding it very difficult to tolerate nonsense of you clowns and still refuting your kindergarten level arguments.

<johnlspouge> is ten thousands smarter than me . you can not expect him to respond to your kindergarten level questions. He has explained everything so elaborately and he said in effect : everything is s clear. <nisjesram> just entered the conversation and without reading any previous post understood everything so quickly. Why can not you understand after two three days ? How much time of his you guys want? You are at kindergarten level or you are retarded?

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You two should be grateful that I am answering your kindergarten level questions/comments

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <biig pawn>< Pawn: <Feb-25-18 Premium Chessgames Member john barleycorn: < Nisjesram: ... Idiot, show me which conversation of mine in this debate is stupid. ...> Holy cow, go to your first post. and then it got worse.> He is begging for respect, <jbc>, but instead he is made sport of. ....

Indeed, he is VERY upset about this, but Iím afraid he just doesnít understand.

Does this sound like a plausible explanation to you?>

So , every one sees <big pawn> is running away by joining <johnbarleycorn> in substance less clowning.

All their arguments refuted.

If and when they make any argument again, I will respond even if it is kindergarten level as usual.

Thank you guys

Namaste

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <Focus: And today, for the first time in CeeGee history, every post said the same dang thing: <Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah OMV blah blah blah idiot blah blah machine guns blah blah blah blah liar blah blah blah blah blah freaking blah.> Multitude that by 100 posts of the same.

It was like watching a gaggle of bald men arguing over a comb>

1)<thefocus> , this is the last scene of the most stupid movie ever ,'omv argument' and after that I am leaving cg.com forever. Perhaps, I would visit your forum sometime if and when I am ready to ask you some questions about martial arts, if you please

2)well, <thefocus> , you put me on ignore earlier (I tested just now - I am not on your ignore list any more) and said that you were not interested in omv

3)and I said "every time I trounce <big pawn> in omv , you say things like 'it is great to see <big pawn> mow down every one in omv debate' , or <nisjesram> has man crush on <johnlspouge>' or 'no contribution by <nisjesram> to omv debate'"

4)not this time. This time it is very clear that <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> have been trounced badly and by me , by my theory.

5)I had said that I was ten thousand times smarter than <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> and <johnlspouge> is ten thousand times smarter than me. And despite all stupid tricks of <big pawn> , omv debate has reached climax due to my persistance and today I will make these two clowns run away in no time. And I delivered. All their kindergarten level arguments refuted effortlessly by me and the two clowns ran away like scalded dogs.

6)you are a good man <thefocus> but sometimes you can be a jerk when you join elite idiots comedy of <big pawn>.

Well, any way....take care...

Thank you

Namaste

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: 1)<johnlspouge> , I am reposting your last comment from today and my comments of today in your forum for future reference, if you please. Please feel free to delete them if you wish so.

2)after thoroughly refuting stupid omv argument, I felt no need to respond to substanceless , stupid trash talk of <big pawn> , <johnbarleycorn> , <moronovich>.

3)<thegoodanarchist> is as stupid as <big pawn> , however, I am waiting to see if <thegoodanarchist> too is as dishonest as <big pawn> or he has honesty to accept/admit that stupid omv argument has been thoroughly refuted.

4)if <big pawn> , <thegoodanarchist> or anyone else makes some argument about this conversation again , I may respond or else I am gone from this site forever.

Thank you
Namaste

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <jolspouge: < <thegoodanarchist> wrote: Zeus can override Bob, therefore Bob is not the locus. > Zeus can decide to override Bob, but in my mythology, he has decided to leave the universe to Bob, to run it exactly as Bob sees fit. Bob is the relevant locus for our universe. Being in charge has nothing to do with being the locus relevant to our universe. They are separate functions of a deity.

The model of a computer simulation may work for you. (Models may not be real but they serve as an excellent aid to imagination, to understand the possibilities, of which there are too many for the first premise to be true.) The movie the Matrix illustrates some of the concepts.

Classically, along with other functions, God updated a clockwork universe. Nowadays, a computer simulation of the universe can do something similar. Imagine our universe as a computer simulation, and us as agents within the simulation. Zeus is upstairs, still in charge, but the moral values underlying the universe are written <objectively> in the source code running on the computer

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: nlspouge: < <thegoodanarchist> wrote: Zeus can override Bob, therefore Bob is not the locus. > Zeus can decide to override Bob, but in my mythology, he has decided to leave the universe to Bob, to run it exactly as Bob sees fit. Bob is the relevant locus for our universe. Being in charge has nothing to do with being the locus relevant to our universe. They are separate functions of a deity> It is a shame that such simple things have to be explained to <thegoodanarchist>.

Any smart student of class 12th would agree with me.

Like I said - "i am thousands time smarter than <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> and <johnlspouge> is thousands time smarter than me. I will make <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> run away like scalded dog in no time"

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <<thegoodanarchist><Bob is subordinate to Zeus, however, and therefore not a maximal being, so the first premise is false.> No, you haven't falsified the first premise. You've merely employed a trick used by car dealerships. The sales manager ultimately decides if the salesman can agree to a customer's price offer. The salesman is merely the conduit for the decision. >>

Now, very clearly <thegoodanarchist> has no clue what the point is .

Let me explain first what <thegoodanarchist> is saying :

1)<thegoodanarchist> is saying that instead of Bob , Zeus is maximal greatest being. So what is the difference? God still exists and omv argument establishes that.

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Now let me explain why <thegoodanarchist> is making a fool of himself. Here.

2)like I said many times that teachings of jesus are the only way to know creator of universe and we can not know creator of universe through stupid omv argument.

3)so , if locus of omv is neither maximal greatest being nor creator of universe, then we can not know creator of universe through omv argument.

4)and further as <johnlspouge> said - in his theory , <bob> has full autonomy which though can be overridden by zeus

4)hence <thegoodanarchist> is making a fool of himself by claiming that if creator of universe is maximal greatest being in theory of <johnlspouge> then omv argument is correct/useful.

Again :it is a shame that such simple things have to be explained to <thegoodanarchist>.

Any smart student of class 12th would agree with me.

Like I said - "i am thousands time smarter than <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> and <johnlspouge> is thousands time smarter than me. I will make <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> run away like scalded dog in no time"

Feb-25-18  Nisjesram: <<goodanarchist> wrote: Zeus can override Bob, therefore Bob is not the locus. > Unbelievable.

As anyone can see , <thegoodanarchist> has no clue what Absolute is and what is the difference between 'personal god' and Absolute is despite my giving links many times that alone should disqualify <thegoodanarchist> from this conversation for being an ignorant fool

In that theory which is so well established and endorsed by so many philosophers, Absolute is 'creator' of universe as well as creator of locus of omv and can kill locus of omv any time.

Like I said - "i am thousands time smarter than <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> and <johnlspouge> is thousands time smarter than me. I will make <big pawn> and <thegoodanarchist> run away like scalded dog in no time"

Feb-25-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  thegoodanarchist: <*Now* I can invoke that elementary plane geometry theorem that sin x ≈ x for small values of the angle x when it is measured in radians...>

That is my favorite plane geometry theorem.

Jul-28-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: Hi, John. Glad that you were so gratified by my citation of your comment. The link you posted didn't work for me. Were you referring to one of these articles, or another?

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...

Sadly, there is no shortage of such articles.

I was surprised to learn that England's record high temperature is a measly 101.3 degrees Fahrenheit. In Phoenix, an <average> day in June, or July, or August, easily beats that.

Oct-03-18  Tomlinsky: Hey Mr Spouge! Hope all good in your part of this circus of life. My radar suspects that you may find plenty to tickle your theoretic, harmonic and mathematical fancy at Rick Beato's great YouTube channel. Been meaning to post this for a while...

https://www.youtube.com/user/pegzch...

Oct-05-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  johnlspouge: @<Tomlinsky>: Hi, Tommy! Top o' the morn! It's always a pleasure to hear from you.

I have always found Rick Beato's YouTube musical videos instructive, although they make me feel like a chimpanzee listening to Shakespeare. Thanks for pointing me to his channel. I have a yearly cycle for music, and it is almost time to work on the fundamentals again.

I appreciate your thinking of me. I hope you are well. All the best...

Oct-16-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: <johnlspouge> hi, i know that a prayer is like a glass of water for my soul ..... ths J
Oct-29-18  Tomlinsky: Eyup lad. Pleased to hear that you are as confused on this matter as am I.

Another muse feeder to twist that noodle... https://www.youtube.com/user/davidb...

:)

Nov-05-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  johnlspouge: I stuck to home base and watched David Bruce's video on musical composition and the Fibonacci numbers.

It's worse. I don't even know enough about musical composition to feel like a chimpanzee!

Thanks, <Tommy>. It's always pleasant to hear from you.

I hope all is well.

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