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|Jan-31-14|| ||DcGentle: Here (http://www.chess.com/article/view/r...) you can read:|
<Most consecutive games without a loss.> Mikhail Tal played 95 consecutive tournament games without a loss (46 wins and 49 draws) in 1973-1974.
This is quite something, and it shows, how good Tal was. But I dunno when Carlsen lost the last time.
|Jan-31-14|| ||MarkFinan: Thanks for that link, I'll check it out after today's games. Plus I won't have as much time come next month 😖. I did mean a reigning world champion though, and I don't think Tal was back then. In fact it was most likely Fischer or Spassky? Maybe Kortchnoi? And if memory serves me rightly (which would be a surprise, lol) I think he lost in the tournament after the candidates? I'll check that out, but he wasn't the reigning world champion then anyway 😃|
|Jan-31-14|| ||DcGentle: Sure, but Carlsen has had quite a winning streak before he got world champion even. Amazing. Even today he was never endangered to lose.|
Currently he seems invincible.
|Jan-31-14|| ||john barleycorn: Mark, were you looking at world champions during their reign? or as in Tal's example any time in their career?|
|Jan-31-14|| ||DcGentle: <john barleycorn>: Well, I guess he is looking for a winning streak of World Champions, this is not easy to find in any record list.|
|Jan-31-14|| ||MarkFinan: JB. DcG.. I meant a reigning world champion and their longest unbeaten run in classical tournament chess. |
|Feb-01-14|| ||mistermac: <<MarkFinan>: <JB>. <DcG>.. I meant a reigning world champion and their longest unbeaten run in classical tournament chess.
Very surprising that no-one seems to be able to answer <MarK's> fairly simply stated question.
The closest I can find to giving a clue is a gentleman at Chess.com with the handle BillWall. I am going to pose the question to him to see if he can provide at least a clue as to the answer.
|Feb-01-14|| ||mistermac: The bloke's handle more accurately is billwall, and he has published some amazing statistics.|
I ave messaged him with a request for an answer, but whwn I will get an answer from an obviously busy man is another matter.
To be frank, he has given just about every record imaginable, and I suspect that the exact answer to Mark's question is nearly impossible to research.
Perhaps <PhonyBenoni> or <JessicaFQ> or some other expert here has the answer.
|Feb-01-14|| ||DcGentle: Ok, I found something.
Here: (http://www.chess.com/blog/NimzoRoy/...) you can read under the headline "World Champions and World Championship Trivia for Dummies":
<WCH with the longest non-losing streak>: "Between October 23, 1973, when he lost a game in a Soviet championship, and October 16, 1974, when he lost to Kirov at the Novi Sad tournament, Mikhail Tal had a string of 95 tournament games without a loss (46 wins and 49 draws) (Soltis 2002, p. 44) (Tal 1976, p. 500). Tal also has the second-longest unbeaten run in top-level competition. He went unbeaten in 86 games from July 1972, when he lost to Uusi in the tenth round at Viljandi, until April 1973, when he lost to Balashov in round two of the USSR Team Championship in Moscow. This streak included 47 wins and 39 draws (Tal 1976).
José Raúl Capablanca famously went eight years without a loss (1916 to 1924, including his World Chess Championship 1921 victory over Emanuel Lasker), but this was "only" 63 games."
|Feb-02-14|| ||wwall: I tried to answer the question meaning while they were world champion, not former world champion or not yet world champion. I provided that answer to mistermac, which I hope he publishes.|
|Feb-02-14|| ||mistermac: Here is what <wwall> said over a number of replies: |
Lasker's reign is from 1894 to 1921. From May 1904 to August 1908, he was undefeated.
Lasker has 27 consecutive games as world champion, before a loss. He did not lose the last 4 rounds at Cambridge Springs 1904. He did not lose any of his 6 games at the 1906 NY state championship. He did not lose any of the 15 games against Marshall in the 1907 world ch. He did not lose the first 2 games of the 1908 world championship. So the total is 27.
Now there is a trick question with Capablanca. If you are counting games after the world championship, then Capa has 19 consecutive games without a loss as world champion. He did not lose in 15 games at London 1922. He did not lose in the fist 4 rounds of NY 1924 (he lost the 5th round against Reti). So the total is 19. However, if you count the world championship match before he was world champion (challenger to Lasker in 1921), he did not lose any of the 14 games played. That now makes the total of 33 games without a loss if you count that he was a challenger at the time, and not world champion.
If Lasker indeed resigned his world championship, then Capa was the world champion (Lasker now the challenger) and you can count his 14 wins to make 33 consecutive games.
|Feb-03-14|| ||mistermac: So, Mr Wall, a thoroughly generous fellow with his time, and no mean historian, poses a question himself implicitly.|
The answer to the original question seems to be Em. Lasker with his 27 consecutive run without a loss over the period May, 1904 to August. 1908. These took place in the middle of his tenure as Champion.
Capablanca could be said to have a 33 game run, if Capablanca could be regarded as Champion from the time Lasker can be said to have resigned his Title. But then, one would have to say that Capablanca was de facto World Champion because of a moral claim to the title.
Thank you, Mr Wall.
|Feb-04-14|| ||MarkFinan: Thank you both for the answers and taking the time to answer me. I think Carlsens last defeat was against Caruana sometime last year but that was before he was WC. So far he hasn't lost a game in classical chess as WC and the more I look around I find it hard to imagine it will happen any time soon. It will probably be one of those games at the end of a tournament where he plays for a draw but plays another player that's motivated and wants to put a dent in that huge elo he has!? Sometimes you drop your guard when you think the fights over! Nakamura came painfully close (painful for him anyway) the other day. I have a lot of respect for him after that game because he went for it which is more than Anand did last year. Fischer didn't lose a game for 20yr as world champion, but then again he didn't play another game (as far as I know?) after 72! Such a shame with Fischer because he would surely have met a young and hungry Kasparov somewhere down the line. And maybe it's just me, but I think Carlsen and the other top players of today are more interested in saving rating points than playing a masterpiece? I know im being hypocritical because if chess was my livelihood I'd most likely (not definitely though!) be the same. Anyways, I don't see anyone beating Carlsen unless it's by default for the foreseeable future. 😃|
|Feb-04-14|| ||SugarDom: <Such a shame with Fischer because he would surely have met a young and hungry Kasparov somewhere down the line.>|
Even just Karpov, would have been exciting.
|Feb-16-14|| ||DcGentle: <mistermac> Greetings!|
Today I bookmarked an interesting page:
<How to Formulate a Plan in Chess>
There was not much new for me, but the points listed might help me with the development of my engine actually.
Maybe it's helpful for you too!
|Feb-18-14|| ||mistermac: Thx, <DC>, have started to read it.|
|Feb-23-14|| ||mistermac: ... ô ♫
Just a short note.
|Feb-23-14|| ||wwall: I just checked Karpov's record. He became world chess champion on April 3, 1975 after Fischer forfeited. Karpov played 29 games as world champion before losing. He played 15 games without a loss at Ljubljana-Portoroz in 1975. Then he played 7 games without a loss at the 6th USSR Spartakiad in Riga. He finally lost in round 8 against Ulf Andersson in Milan on Aug 28, 1975. He did not lose in the first 7 rounds. That makes 29 games as world champion before losing a game. Can Carlsen beat that?|
|Feb-24-14|| ||mistermac: It looks to me, therefore, as if Karpov gets the guernsey, and John Berleycorn goes to the top of the class, and Bill Wall gets another accolade as a fine researcher.|
|Feb-24-14|| ||wwall: Former world champion Mikhail Tal played 83 consecutive games without a loss in 1972-73. Capablanca played 63 consecutive games without a loss between 1916 and 1924 (losing to Reti in New York in 1924). He became world champion in 1921.|
|Feb-25-14|| ||DcGentle: <mistermac>: Hi! I like your new avatar!
|Feb-26-14|| ||mistermac: I love Old Bach. I like to play, when I am out of sorts in one way or another to listen to his Cello Suites.
It is superbly crafted music for a solo instrument, both lively and serene.|
Yo Yo Ma has put out a fine rendition of all six of them.
|Feb-26-14|| ||Jim Bartle: <Yo Yo Ma has put out a fine rendition of all six of them.>|
thank you for that. Excellent.
|Feb-27-14|| ||mistermac: I can hardly wait until the seventh. That will be Heaven.|
|Mar-02-14|| ||wwall: More research on world champions with longest unbeaten record. Alekhine may be the winner. As world champion, he did not lose the last 7 games of his 1929 world championship match with Bogoljubow. Then he went unbeaten in 15 rounds at San Remo 1930. Then we went unbeaten in 9 rounds at the 1930 Hamburg Olympiad. He then went unbeaten in 8 games at 1931 Nice. He then went unbeaten in the first 15 rounds at the 1931 Prague Olympiad, finally losing to Mattison in round 16. That makes 54 games unbeaten as world champion.|
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