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|Jun-04-16|| ||morfishine: Actually, I was 4 years old living in Fort Worth on 11-22-1963|
You are right about narrative. There are so many aspects of the assassination, its best to focus on one particular item at a time. For example, why were witnesses who gave testimony that ran counter to the WC predetermined conclusion threatened, and in many cases, murdered? Take Richard Randolph Carr:
Richard Carr, a steelworker who saw a heavyset man on the sixth-floor of the [Texas School Book] Depository minutes before the shooting [of President Kennedy], saw two men run from either inside or from behind the Texas School Book Depository minutes after the assassination.
He claimed the men got into a Nash Rambler station wagon facing north on the west side of Houston Street by the east side of the Depository. He said the wagon left in such a hurry one of its doors was still open. He last saw the station wagon speeding north on Houston.
After reaching ground level from the seventh-story vantage point on the courthouse under construction, Carr said he saw the same man he had seen earlier in the Depository window. Carr said the man was "in an extreme hurry and kept looking over his shoulder" as he walked hurriedly eastward on Commerce Street.
Carr's story was corroborated by that of James R. Worrell, Jr., who told the Warren Commission that seconds after the shooting, he saw a man wearing a sportcoat come out of the rear of the Depository and walk briskly south on Houston (the direction of Carr's location). Worrell can't be questioned further about what he saw, as he was killed in a motorcycle accident on November 9, 1966 at age twenty-three.
Carr, however, told researchers about his treatment at the hands of the authorities. In a taped interview, Carr said:
The FBI came to my house--there were two of them--and they said they heard I witnessed the assassination and I said I did. They told me, "If you didn't see Lee Harvey Oswald up in the School Book Depository with a rifle, you didn't witness it." I said, "Well, the man I saw on television that they tell me is Lee Harvey Oswald was not in the window of the School Book Depository. That's not the man." And [one of the agents] said I better keep my mouth shut. He did not ask me what I saw, he told me what I saw.
Not long after this encounter with the FBI, Carr's home was raided by more than a dozen Dallas policemen and detectives armed with a search warrant. Claiming they were looking for "stolen articles," they ransacked Carr's home while holding him and his wife a gunpoint. Carr and his wife were taken to jail but later released. The day after the police raid, Carr received an anonymous phone call advising him to "get out of Texas."
Carr finally moved to Montana to avoid harassment, but there he found dynamite in his car on one occasion and was shot at on another.
After testifying in the New Orleans Clay Shaw trial, Carr was attacked by two men in Atlanta. Although stabbed in the back and left arm, Carr managed to fatally shoot one of his assailants. After turning himself in, Carr was not indicted by an Atlanta grand jury.
|Jun-04-16|| ||morfishine: Witness Intimidation Part 2:
Other witnesses also were later intimidated. Acquilla Clemmons, who saw two men at the scene of the Tippit slaying, said a man with a gun came to her home and told her to keep quiet. Ed Hoffman, who saw two men with a rifle behind the picket fence on the Grassy Knoll at the time of the assassination, was warned by an FBI agent not to tell what he saw "or you might get killed."
A relative of Depository superintendent Roy Truly recently told researchers that due to intimidation by federal authorities, Truly was fearful until his death. Truly's wife, Mildred, still refuses to discuss the assassination--even with family members.
Sandy Speaker, the supervisor of Warren Commission star witness Howard Brennan, would not discuss the assassination until recently, after getting a phone call from his friend and co-worker A. J. Millican. Speaker said he got a call from Millican early in 1964. Millican was almost in tears and told him never to talk about the assassination. Millican said he had just received an anonymous call threatening not only his life, but the lives of his wife and her sister. He said the caller told him to warn Speaker to keep his mouth shut.
Recently Speaker told this author:
That call really shook me up because Millican was a former boxing champ of the Pacific fleet. He was a scrapper, a fighter. But he was obviously scared to death. And I still don't understand how they got my name because I was never interviewed by the FBI, the Secret Service, the police or anyone. They must be pretty powerful to have found out about me.
Whispered rumors, anonymous phone calls, and freakish "accidents" combined to create a tangible aura of fear in Dallas in the weeks following the assassination. Some of that fear still lingers there.
There's more, lots more, especially when one examines the witnesses that were silenced
|Jun-04-16|| ||diceman: <morfishine:
Richard Carr, a steelworker who saw a heavyset man on the sixth-floor of the [Texas School Book] Depository minutes before the shooting [of President Kennedy]>
Heh, heh, is this a trick of CTs
<shooting [of President Kennedy]>
to imply multiple shooters!
For me here's the problem with all this.
I don't know how many were supposed
to be at the TSBD? I do know large crowds and "strange" people were around because a president was coming through. Strange faces,
unknown comings and goings, seems natural.
(let alone press, and folks "secretly" protecting the president)
<Richard Carr, a steelworker who saw a heavyset man on the sixth-floor of the [Texas School Book] Depository>
I assume he was outside?
Don't know how good his view was, why he would even take note of it, or if the TSBD has a heavyset
<minutes before the shooting [of President Kennedy]>
Yes, if you notice it's always right before, or right after.
We must make the leap of faith:
A: the would be killers were calmly passing the time of day, and ran to the snipers nest, just in time.
B: After hearing gun shots, and seeing the presidents head blown open, bystanders would react in a calm, cool, fashion.
One of the things about these "freak deaths" some of them seem quite long after the shooting.
One of the things that always struck me as "odd." The bag of chicken bones
in the snipers nest.
Don't think "eating" would be on my
mind if about to kill the president.
Was anything ever done with that?
If "purchased" tracing Oswald to
a local chicken place. Ones day to day
"lunch" routines are typically not random.
If brought from home, evidence of the
bag, cooked chicken, or Dr. Pepper in his house?
Did the TSBD have a vending machine that sold Dr. Pepper?
If government operatives shot Kennedy,
doesn't seem logical they would plan on eating, for all the potential problems it could bring.
|Jun-04-16|| ||morfishine: <diceman> The point about Carr is that he was harassed, threatened, shot at, stabbed and had dynamite wired to his car ignition. These events happened as he moved around the country trying to elude his tormentors after the assassination, all because his testimony ran counter to the Warren Commission's predetermined conclusion. |
He even shot and killed one of his attackers.
Is all this make-believe?
Is all this just another coincidence?
Is all this just imagined?
I don't think so
But Carr survived, probably due to his all around toughness gained from his experiences in WWII: He had fought at Kasserine pass, Anzio, Omaha beach and in the Hurtgen forest near Aachen, Germany.
I guess his attackers didn't factor in that Carr was one who didn't flinch so easily; and one of these attackers ended up paying with their life to find this out
|Jun-04-16|| ||diceman: I just looked at a few you-tube videos on this stuff.|
They have an interview with a guy in prison who says he shot from the grassy knoll.
They have a photo of two guys sitting
in the window under the Oswald sniper
nest. After the shots, one is missing.
(so I guess he was also involved)
They also have various filters and blow-ups of the windows which show things that allegedly show people and guns.
It gets to the point of "Who didn't kill Kennedy?"
We seem to have hundreds, thousands, of stories where people saw something,
and everyone is carry a gun? Everyone
saw something or heard something they shouldn't have.
...and yet, folks are being murdered left and right to keep the immaculate
Oswald story safe. Why? All the questions/dirt are already out there.
It's like turning on the news, and hearing Bill Clinton just murdered a women, because she was going to blackmail him over adultery. Why?
The funny thing is, the only one not mentioned is Oswald! In all the stuff he appeared once, calm, cool, collected, not out of breath, in the lunch room buying a coke.
(I though Dr. Pepper was his drink)
<not out of breath>
The "proof" he wasnt running from the snipers nest.
|Jun-05-16|| ||morfishine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY3...
At about 22 minute, we get a nice picture of Tague
|Jun-05-16|| ||perfidious: It is surprising that Carr lived as long as he did, given that <someone> was evidently afraid of what he had to say.|
|Jun-06-16|| ||diceman: <morfishine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY3... |
At about 22 minute, we get a nice picture of Tague>
Thanks for the lesson on how the
"morfishine Commission" works.
|Jun-06-16|| ||morfishine: <diceman> TY! You hit on a very important point: the morfishine commission works, as opposed to the Warren Commission, which didn't do any work worth mentioning|
|Jun-07-16|| ||diceman: <morfishine: <diceman> TY! You hit on a very important point: the morfishine commission works, as opposed to the Warren Commission, which didn't do any work worth mentioning>|
Since Oswald dead two days after capture:
Warren Commission: 1
|Jun-07-16|| ||diceman: <Warren Commission, which didn't do any work worth mentioning>|
I cant remember it being mentioned, since the day it was released.
|Jun-08-16|| ||morfishine: <perfidious> Thanks for posting regarding the JFK assassination. Its long been a "hobby" of mine, but one that I've approached seriously. |
The "early witnesses" were either in Dealey Plaza or were associated with Jack Ruby and/or Oswald. Thats it. "Strange Deaths" always seemed to increase around various investigations or trials; for example, in the Clay Shaw trial (1969) the rub-outs or "mysterious deaths" increased dramatically. And again during the HSCA 1979 when again, "mysterious deaths" increased dramatically, particularly when the deposed and now dead witnesses were near their hearing dates
What a joke
There was a "rub out" from the beginning and the "rub out" continued through the various investigations and/or trials
I have more details, if anyone is interested
|Jun-09-16|| ||morfishine: Here's a nice summation, excellent captivating music too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHR...|
|Jun-09-16|| ||diceman: <morfishine: Here's a nice summation>|
Oswald knew too much?
He'd didn't know to stand around large crowds, when the motorcade went
|Jun-15-16|| ||morfishine: <Patriot> Would you like me to start posting some Chess960 games?|
|Jun-17-16|| ||morfishine: My question is this, if I am Black in this position, does Black win?|
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Sure looks like a winner, but I offered a draw to my much higher-rated opponent, more out of respect
|Jun-18-16|| ||diceman: It's a draw.|
|Jun-18-16|| ||morfishine: <diceman> Yeah, thanks, even with Black to move, I can't avoid side or back checks.|
|Jun-20-16|| ||Patriot: <morf> Sorry to take so long to reply. If you want, you can post some game positions because I would love to see them.|
In your position above I agree it's a draw. I'm not sure about all the principles behind Lucena but I think it's a draw because the king can simply move down in front of the pawn if the black rook leaves that rank. Anything else and checks follow. Some allow a rook trade to an easily drawn ending.
By the way we are expected to be bipolar in chess--respect our opponents in civility and not underestimate them but disrespect them by not trusting their last move was a good one. If they have a low rating I wouldn't trust they know how to play out simple positions. Is that mean? Lol
|Jun-20-16|| ||morfishine: <Patriot> Thanks for dropping by, feel free to do so anytime. I understand its difficult without premium membership to search kbitzes, so it can be hard to track conversations. I had dropped my premium, but luckily, <MF> granted me his remaining 6 months when he left, so I can search more easily. |
In any case, I've been playing solely Chess960 for the past year and find it fun and fascinating. This sort of reminds me of the 18 month exercise I engaged in with you when I focused on tactics and puzzles. Now, its a campaign featuring FischerRandom lol
IMO it really is chess, and harder than standard, since one has to decide quickly where the pieces are going. I play exclusively 2min 12sec increment. Typically when one accepts a challenge there is a short delay for one to "size-up" the board, then the fireworks start
I have saved 48 games from 2016 so far, mostly for their "exciting character", IMHO
I think I'll start posting these games,one at a time...maybe it will generate some interest in Chess960
And if it doesn't? Who cares...
|Jun-21-16|| ||Patriot: Great! I'll take a look at them.
I'm more interested in the tactical positions. You have to do what you like to do--play Chess960. "And if it doesn't? Who cares..." - That's a good approach! :-) I'm starting to take that attitude as well and as a result, I'm happier.
|Jun-21-16|| ||morfishine: <Patriot> This one was a fun tactical melee. I was White
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1. f4 b6 2. Nf2 Bb7 3. d4 Nc6 4. e3 e6 5. Nd2 O-O-O 6. Nb3 f6 7. Bd2 Kb8 8. Nd3 g5 9. a4 Qh5+ 10. Be2 Qxh2 11. Rh1 Qxg2 12. Rxh7 Ng6 13. a5 Nh4 14. axb6 cxb6 15. Bh5 Nf3 16. Bxf3 Qxf3+ 17. Kc1 gxf4 18. Nxf4 Qe4 19. Rh1 e5 20. dxe5 Nxe5 21. Rf1 Rc8 22. Qd1 Nd3+ 23. Kb1 Nxf4 24. Rxf4 Qg6 25. Nd4 Bh6 26. Rf1 Rc7 27. Nb5 Rc5 28. Nxa7 Be4 29. Bc3 Bxe3 30. Rxf6 Qg3 31. Rxb6+ Kc7 32. Rb3 Rd5 33. Nb5+ Kd8 34. Ra8+ Ke7 35. Bb4+ Ke6 36. Ra6+ Kf5 37. Qf1+ Bf4 38. Rxg3 Rxg3 39. Nd6+ Kg4 40. Nxe4 1-0
There are some complicated positions here. I was lucky to find 29.Bc3 in this fluid game
|Jun-22-16|| ||morfishine: <Patriot> For example, in this position, I squirmed awhile over my move <29> before making my move, which was a simple, pleasing solution:|
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|Jun-25-16|| ||Patriot: <morf> That's a tough position. The threat on c2 cannot be ignored. 29.Bc3 is a nice defend/counter-punch! 29...f5 perhaps? 29...Bxe3 in the game looks really bad. So then 30.Rxf6 Qg3 31.Rxb6+ Kc7. Not sure if 32.Qe2 is possible there? For example, 32...Kxb6 33.Qa6+ Kc7 34.Ba5+ Rxa5 35.Qxa5+. There could be a winning attack there, but I do like your 32.Rb3 move.|
I went over the whole game and it's pretty wild! I'm not used to Chess960 so I was confused on where some of the pieces were. On 5...O-O-O, I did not know where the king and rook were supposed to go! :-) So later in the game I thought black had a mate in 1. I figured the rook went to d8, to guard d7 which prevented you from snagging the pawn earlier. But with the rook incorrectly placed on c8, ...Ne5 would have won it because of the mate threat on c2.
I think I would rather look at positions only because I really had a tough time following it. Unless there is a way to copy the game into Fritz or Blitzin?
I still enjoyed your game however!
|Jun-25-16|| ||morfishine: <Patriot> Thanks for looking, I have so much fun playing Chess960, tactics are critical, but one must plan strategically at the onset. |
I know what you are talking about not knowing where the King and rook are placed after castling. Castling to either side is still a mystery to me, its just a big chance on where the pieces end up!?!
Maybe I need to read the rules :)
Use this PGN editor: http://www.caissa.com/chess-tools/p...
Its very user friendly, you can first enter the FEN format, then the PGN file, and its easy to navigate the positions.
If a rook "disappears" after castling, just click the actual castle move, and the rook is on the board (again)
I was just going over the games I had saved from 2015, those were pretty wild, maybe I'll start with those
Item of interest, I've been playing this one player from Hungary, he's very good, always around 2000+ rated. We've played about 90 games, I've won maybe 5 and we drew a couple, so he's won 80+ games, but he always accepts my challenges and we have a great time, the last game I beat him he chatted back "You are Super Star"
It's very nice to receive that post when I'm struggling to push to 1900 and he's over 2000
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