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|May-05-16|| ||morfishine: I'd forgotten about this Shell Game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Q...|
|May-05-16|| ||morfishine: <User not found> On your comment: <...I just don't know 100% but if I had to put my own life on it I'd go with Oswald as the lone gunman> Then, you'd lose your life|
Think for yourself
|May-06-16|| ||PawnSac: <User not found: Interesting discussion. I've always thought the bullet that tore Kennedy's head open came from the front but when you look deeper into it all then it's gotta be Oswald acting alone.>|
I've watched a lot of video footage at both normal and slowed speed. The stuff posted on youtube looks just like the original i remember from tv coverage LIVE and at slight time delay but with insufficient time for video doctoring. I was in middle school when this happened. But in all the video and "reports" and propaganda that is out there, what i DON'T see is a comprehensive analysis of BULLET CALIBER. That is very conveniently side-stepped in the discussions, BUT is critical to the data. You see, the majority of the population is not well educated about balistics. So when this crap comes down, few raise the critical questions that make a whole lot of difference.
I am a firearms instructor, a very experienced shooter, and a marksman in all positions (prone, sitting, kneeling, standing). I've shot lots of different caliber rifles at various ranges..
.22LR , REM .223/ Nato 5.56 , REM .308 / Nato 7.62x51 , Nato 7.62x54r
(russian Mosin Nagant), BMG 50 cal, 30-30 Winchester, 30-06 M1 Garand
and probably some others i don't recall at the moment.
SO, from personal experience as a shooter and trainer, when i watch these videos there are some obvious and striking features that immediately grab my attention. First.. JFK had 3 recorded wounds. One in the back, one in the throat just to the left of the adams apple, and one to the right temple above the eye (the obvious kill shot).
Now, the one to the throat..
In the video we see JFK pull on his tie (left hand) cover his mouth (right hand) and cough, as if to cough up a bullet (the one that went thru the windshield). This suggests a couple things. 1) that with immediate medical attention he may have survived this hit, and 2) It did NOT hit the spinal chord (causing immediate paralysis from the neck down) and having gone thru the windshield, was POSSIBLY a .22LR at close range but more likely the military standard .223/Nato 5.56 mm at a distance of 300-400 meters, and after going thru the windshield was already at subsonic speed (reduced penetration).
The shot in the back.. At a lower location than the throat, it was an independent shot from the opposite direction (most likely) or a thru and thru from the frontal throat shot (not likely, because that one seemed a more superficial wound.
The head shot.. came from an angle that would suggest 2-3 o'clock from the car, which puts the shooter at the fence in the grassy knoll to the right of the driver, and NOT to the right rear 6th floor where Oswald was alleged to be. The blood splatter on Jacky, skull shatter, bone fragment on the street to the real left of the car, and Jacky climbing over the trunk to recover brain/body material from the rear of the Lincoln suggests a HIGHER CALIBER HIT (possibly .308) AT CLOSER RANGE (under 100 yds) at a much lower elevation.
Thus, from a firearms/ballistics point of view, the event seems to be a multiple shooter (probably 3 or more) with MULTIPLE CALIBERS.
Now, if you want to get to the bottom of the CONSPIRACY question, then that requires the wound impact data be revealed, so that it can be proved unequivocally if there were multiple calibers and shooters as i am convinced existed.
|May-06-16|| ||morfishine: <PawnSac> Thank you for this post. I very much appreciate your input, particularly from someone experienced in this field. I too have firearms experience, but not as extensive as you. I enjoyed shooting skeet with my father but didn't shoot hardly at all til I joined the Navy. |
Using an M-14, I shot 192 out of 200 thus earning an 'Expert' rating.
I was a member of the local Shooting club from 2003 - 2013, initially joining with an interest in black powder, but later on expanded my interest into self defense weapons and hunting rifles.
One of my favorite deer rifles is an 8mm bolt-action Mauser I purchased as war surplus in mint condition, certified only fired 5-times per year since 1958. This is a beaut especially after I mounted a scope. One thing I learned while bore-sighting the weapon is its absolutely impossible to re-acquire the target quickly after each shot, its just impossible. Yet the WC determined Oswald fired 3 aimed shots in 5.6 seconds? Simply Impossible
We'll talk more, Chinese food just arrived and thanks again
|May-07-16|| ||morfishine: <Pawnsac> One of the most enjoyable shooting experiences I had while at the club was when an RSO (Range Safety Officer) brought his scope-mounted .357 magnum pistol to the range and let us try it out on the 50-yd range. (The club has a 50-yd, 100-yd, 300-yd & very short distance plinking range. It also has a shotgun/skeet/clay pigeon & Bow+arrow range). |
We were shooting tin cans placed against the berm at the maximum 50 yd distance and it was remarkable how accurate that pistol was with a scope mounted on it. Tin can after tin can went flying in all directions.
I got to thinking that any shooter up on the knoll didn't necessarily need a bulky and hard to conceal rifle when a scope-mounted pistol was more than adequate for accuracy and much easier to hide.
|May-08-16|| ||morfishine: <optimal play> So thats it? Two jokes about Roswell and faked moon landings combined with one lame Wiki link? Is that your idea of a discussion?|
<OhioChessFan> I expected more out of you but I guess thats par for the course for WC apologists. You understand that every piece of evidence uncovered over the years has always come under attack by WC defenders. And these attacks are always the same: attack the person, attack the evidence, destroy the evidence, call the person a liar, attack his/her credibility, etc., etc. The patented predictable response(s), just by themselves, generate their own nagging suspicion.
Here's another one: The Z-film has been proven to be heavily edited and/or doctored. How was this proven? By the ingenious yet simple process of counting the running lights synchronization on Kennedy's limo. At each end of the front bumper were large red lights that alternated on/off in perfect synchronization: when one was off, the other was on. This is shown in film from Love field, through downtown and on Houston Street. However, after the limo turned onto Elm, the lights went skewy: sometimes both off at the same time, sometimes both on at the same time. The editors of the film had removed critical frames (overlooking that this was throwing off the synchronization of the lights).
The reason for the removal of frames is obvious: Erase evidence of additional gunshots
|May-08-16|| ||morfishine: I enjoy a rousing game of Chess960 from time to time: |
click for larger view
Some people don't like Chess960. I wonder why? 960 tests one's ability to think on one's feet, to grasp the positional significance instantly. The pieces move the same, so it shouldn't be too hard to grasp. Make no mistake, this is chess
1. f4 Nb6 2. a4 Nc6 3. b3 h5 4. Bh4 f6 5. Nc3 g5 6. fxg5 fxg5 7. Bf2 Bg7 8. g4 h4 9. h3 Rh6 10. Bg2 Rd6 11. Ke1 Bg6 12. Ne4 Bf6 13. Nxd6 exd6 14. c3 O-O-O 15. Bxc6 dxc6 16. a5 Nd5 17. Bxa7 Re8 18. Bd4 Bd8 19. Rh2 Nf4 20. Be3 Qf7 21. Bxf4 gxf4 22. Rf2 Bd3 23. e3 f3 24. g5 Be2 25. Qg4+ Kb8 26. Qxh4 Qf5 27. Qg4 Qxa5 28. Nc2 Bxg5 29. Ra1 Qb5 30. h4 Bf6 31. b4 Qd3 32. Nd4 Bxd4 33. cxd4 Qc2 34. Rxe2 fxe2 35. Qxe2 Qb2 36. Qd1 Qxd4 37. Qa4 Qxh4+ 38. Kd1 Kc8 39. Kc2 Re4 40. Qa8+ Kd7 41. Qxb7 Rxb4 42. Qa6 Qe4+ 43. Kd1 Rb1+ 44. Rxb1 Qxb1+ 45. Ke2 Qb5+ 46. Qxb5 cxb5 47. Kd3 c5 48. Kc3 Ke6 49. d4 Kd5 50. Kd3 c4+ 51. Kc3 Ke4 0-1
|May-14-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: <morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> I love this comment: <...Birds of a feather?>|
But what is so maddening is that these events are all documented, whether by the official report submitted by USS Greer or News reports of the day>
If it is truly maddening, I suggest you put <keypusher> on ignore :)
He responded condescendingly on the Rogoff page. Don't worry, though, I set him straight.
|May-14-16|| ||morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Thanks, I've had <keypusher> on ignore for quite some time for his "down the nose" comments. Means nothing to me. Great to see you are interested in history too! Feel free to drop by here anytime, especially for history discussion. Rogoff can be like Alice in Wonderland at times|
|May-15-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: I am interested in certain aspects of history. Mostly war, but unfortunately that is the most prominent aspect of the history of our species.|
|May-19-16|| ||morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Here's what bugs me: I see your very valid point (some days ago) about the undeclared war betweent he US and Germany, and that certain individuals downplay what you are saying or don't even acknowledge what you are saying. |
I back you up, but the naysayers “hem and haw”, never even conceding that you have a point.
Finally, I produce the reference for the actual orders: Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #214915)
...and Whats their response?
NOTHING!!! just silence
You'd think there would be a 'concession' or a 'thank you' or an “admission” that you (and I) were right all along, but instead, all we get is just silence
Thats the problem here at <CG>: Nobody really knows how to debate, except for <PawnSac>, (he really knows how to debate)
Most of the people here at <CG> are just stubborn, obnoxious narcissists who profess their own viewpoint blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah yakkityyakyakkityyak yakkityyak…, but never even read or acknowledge other's viewpoints, which is the very basis of debating in the first place.
Whats the point in even responding? All this pointless typing is giving me tendinitis and no more
|May-20-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: <<<<<morfishine: <Adbel Irada> While you make so many good points, why don't you ever admit when you are wrong, or at the very least admit you are ignorant or off-base?>>>>|
The World Wonders >
That was funny.
Anyway, when <Colonel Mortimer> asked for orders, it implied that he thought they didn't exist and also implied that their existence would actually win the argument for you.
Then after you did produce them, he shut up <about the topic> and started claiming "Danth's Law". It is fairly obvious he knew he lost, which is why he was trying to use some stupid "Law" to claim you lost.
You'll never get a concession from him - he is too arrogant to admit he was wrong. I've seen it before.
<Abdel Irada>, ironically, made the exact same error about orders, claiming the Greer was acting in ad hoc self defense.
Then he took my statement that he wasn't qualified to discuss WWII and said "back atcha", an old <OCF> tactic which is an adaptation of elementary school word wars.
I just find the whole thing to be too funny!
|May-20-16|| ||morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> I tossed in "The World Wonders" as a side joke. Remember the Nimitz - Halsey incident during the Battle of Leyte Gulf? Now that was funny, almost hilarious when Nimitz sent a coded message to Halsey asking "Where is, repeat, where is Task Force Thirty Four? The world wonders". The term 'The World Wonders' was crypto-padding designed to confuse Japanese code-breakers. This should've been omitted when decoded and presented to Halsey. Instead it was left on the message and Halsey went ballistic after seeing the message. Thats just too funny|
|May-21-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: Yeah, I read all about that incident in Morrison's history of the US Navy in WWII, which I no longer own unfortunately. My copy was a gift and was in poor condition, so I donated it to a library some time ago.|
Samuel Elliot Morrison actually served in the US Navy and was in some of the battles he wrote of. I think he was present on the bridge of one of the carriers that fought in the Battle of Midway.
|May-22-16|| ||morfishine: Kenneth Rogoff (kibitz #214915)|
|May-23-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: <morfishine: ...
A pity about <Keypusher>; I've had him on ignore for awhile>
Yeah, me too, but our resident ambulatory jihadist copied and pasted one of his posts and I accidentally saw it.
|May-23-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: One more thing, though. <kepusher> made some snide remark about me "rambling on about the Kennedy assasination," which I never did.|
Maybe he was thinking of you or <OCF> instead. What I wrote on the topic was rather terse and in any event I only posted here, IIRC, and not on the Rogoff page.
|May-23-16|| ||thegoodanarchist: <PawnSac: ...
Thus, from a firearms/ballistics point of view, the event seems to be a multiple shooter (probably 3 or more) with MULTIPLE CALIBERS.>
Just now saw <PawnSac>'s post and really enjoyed reading his perspective.
<At each end of the front bumper were large red lights that alternated on/off in perfect synchronization: when one was off, the other was on.>
I had not heard of this before. Thanks, <morfishine>. It certainly looks like there was a coverup of evidence.
|May-23-16|| ||Boomie: <morfishine: However, after the limo turned onto Elm, the lights went skewy: sometimes both off at the same time, sometimes both on at the same time. The editors of the film had removed critical frames (overlooking that this was throwing off the synchronization of the lights).>|
My dyslexia might be showing, but it seems to me the only way to get both lights on or off in a single frame is to superimpose one frame over another. I can't see anyway to achieve that by just removing frames.
Here I am assuming that the analysis is performed frame by frame. Seeing the running film may give hints that something is awry, but the proof would require a frame by frame analysis.
The timing of the lights should tip off missing frames, so this analysis could be important. The lights should change after a certain number of frames.
|May-24-16|| ||morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> & <Boomie> My interest in the JFK assassination was pretty much waning around 2000 when I noticed 'Assassination Science' by James Fetzer (1998). I picked it up and enjoyed the scientific approach to what is and what isn't possible or real. Its in this volume where the "blinker discrepancy" is discussed. Its very well documented and calculated that when the left light is on for so long, the right light is off, and vice versa. Its just blink, counter-blink, and so on; but in the Z-film, there are frames where both lights are on or off at the same time, and for extended times, which shouldn't happen; and the "ons and offs" of the lights are uncoordinated or 'out of sync' at times.|
Great follow up books also by Fetzer are 'Murder in Dealey Plaza' (2000) & 'The Great Zapruder Film Hoax' (2003). Both are scientific in their nature focusing on physics and photographic analysis.
I try to be objective and not weighted one way or the other. For example, I'm reading two books now, one about the Dallas in the 1963 titled 'Dallas 1963' by Bill Minutaglio and Steven L. Davis. This is an excellent book that gives a vivid picture of Dallas from January 1960 til November 1963. Each chapter is one month in time as it marches to the catastrophe. But there's little reference to the assassination; its just a great and comprehensive accounting of all the characters and personalities and politics going on at the time in Dallas at all levels. Very fascinating.
The other book is the old but popular 'Conversations with Kennedy' by journalist Benjamin C. Bradlee. This is a must read if one wants to get the feel of Kennedy and the real person.
I like this speech by Kennedy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeY...
Thats just 5 minutes of the total 19 minute speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdM...
|May-28-16|| ||morfishine: <OhioChessfan> What about the mysterious deaths related to the JFK assassination? Now, I admit, a lot of the deaths noted over the years are "stretches" submitted by quacks trying to write a good book. I get that. But, there are at a minimum 26 unexplained deaths of people who were either in Dealey Plaza when JFK died, or who were connected to people directly associated with either Oswald or Ruby. |
The key point about these 26 deaths is that they occurred within 3 years of the assassination and the people dying were in a "healthy age group", that is between 20-50 years old. In other words, these people shouldn't have died suddenly, yet they did, and they all have connections to the JFK assassination.
The only exception with regards to age is Earlene Roberts, the Landlord of Oswald, who passed away in 1966
|May-28-16|| ||Party Animal: I have read some interesting theories as to who carried out The Kennedy Assassination. George Bush Sr. was a CIA agent at that time and was involved along with Frank Sturgess & E. Howard Hunt. All were involved in the Bay of Pigs fiasco & it has been said they wanted retribution on John Kennedy for that alone. |
Also John Kennedy wanted to splinter The CIA & rid the U.S. of secret societies like The Skull & Bones organization.
Also John Kennedy wanted to get rid of centralized banks & have the government take 'true' control of printing money. A CIA agent I heard from has said the only 2 Presidents that wanted to do just that were Abraham Lincoln & John F. Kennedy, & he went on to say both were assassinated.
Also The Chicago outfit was reportedly involved as Jack Ruby who gunned down Lee Harvey Oswald, it has been said got the hit order from Sam Giancana who ran the Chicago mob at that time.
It also has been said that vice President LBJ was involved in the assassination of Kennedy.
|May-28-16|| ||Party Animal: Here's an article about George W Bush's involvement.|
|May-28-16|| ||Party Animal: Here's a short clip where Jack Ruby talks to the press & while in the courthose hallway elaborates LBJ was indeed involved.|
|May-28-16|| ||perfidious: <morf: What about the mysterious deaths related to the JFK assassination? Now, I admit, a lot of the deaths noted over the years are "stretches" submitted by quacks trying to write a good book. I get that....>|
All taken, an inexplicable, strange business.
<....But, there are at a minimum 26 unexplained deaths of people who were either in Dealey Plaza when JFK died, or who were connected to people directly associated with either Oswald or Ruby.>
Whatever one makes of what may be regarded as, in some instances tenuous links, that is a whale of a lot of people dying in statistically implausible fashion, to put it mildly.
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