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optimal play
Member since Oct-28-11
"Optimal Play" is when both sides make their best move at each turn, or one of equally good alternatives.

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   Oct-19-18 playground player chessforum (replies)
optimal play: <Memory Lane: ‘Whiplash’> I'd never heard of that TV show so I checked out YouTube to see if there were any episodes online. As luck would have it, I found the first episode: <Whiplash Full TV Episode 01 - Convict Town> The ...
   Oct-17-18 optimal play chessforum
optimal play: <TheAlchemist> Perfectly understandable. I think the Memorable Quotes forum is terrific and I fully appreciate your concern about keeping the page free from bickering and insults. A wide variety of quotes are posted there, with varying degrees of wit and cleverness. Some ...
   Oct-14-18 Kenneth S Rogoff (replies)
optimal play: Having previously disparaged your joke about <Are you writing that on a borrowed computer?> it is only fair to give a LOL to this one: <Diademas: <optimal play: But <cormier> never explains or comments on any of his bible verses. He just plonks them here in ...
   Oct-14-18 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
optimal play: <diceman: <optimal play: <Pat Garret & Billy The Kid> Good movie, but Bob Dylan was terrible!> <Bob Dylan was terrible!> Never stopped him from singing/guitar playing. <Why do musicians think they can act?> Sinatra, winning 4 Oscars, started an ...
   Oct-13-18 chessforum (replies)
optimal play: <zanzibar: For those considering becoming moderators... <<"When I left, I didn't shake anyone's hand for three years. I'd seen what people do and how disgusting they are. I didn't want to touch anyone. I was disgusted by humanity.">>> Is this your job ...
   Oct-11-18 43rd Chess Olympiad (2018) (replies)
optimal play: <Diademas: I, for one, welcome our new slant-eyed Overlords.> So just to be clear, it's okay to refer to Chinese as "slant-eyes", but it's not okay to comment about the number of negroes in the French soccer team!? <Jun-18-18 WannaBe chessforum Diademas: <Also the ...
   Oct-07-18 Frederick Rhine (replies)
optimal play: <moronovich: <who is the greatest player never to have been world champion?> In raw talent and understanding of the game, I would go with Ivanchuk.> An interesting choice, but I couldn't go past Akiba Rubinstein. <Another good question is : Which were the best ...
   Oct-06-18 harrylime chessforum (replies)
optimal play: <harrylime: ...I'm gonna have to check out a good Jimmy bio. What I don't get is that pre war he was kinda easy going and post war he became pretty hard and tough..> This sounds like an interesting Jimmy bio: <Actor Jimmy Stewart
   Oct-05-18 43rd Chess Olympiad (Women) (2018) (replies)
optimal play: Congratulations to China. Australia finished with a win over the Philippines 3-1 and ended up 44th which is 11 places below our seeding, so is rather disappointing. Better luck next time girls.
   Oct-01-18 offramp chessforum (replies)
optimal play: <offramp: Here is a funny one. PLEASE have a look at this. My drinking pals have to put up with this all day long! Clip lasts about 12 seconds!! > <thegoodanarchist: <PLEASE have a look at this.> DONE! Now, fire up the autogyro and ...
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  optimal play: I just noticed my following posts were deleted from the forum of <Phony Benoni>:

<Sep-11-18 optimal play: <offramp: ... On my recent 6-monthly visit to Rogoff I had the temerity to inquire what an "OMV" was. I was told with startling celerity to <read the @#$%* forum!!>>

Don't feel bad. Not everyone's cut out for the rough & tumble of Rogoff.

People with delicate sensibilities are advised to use "read only" mode when on that page.

Anyway, to answer your question, OMV stands for Objective Moral Values.>


<Sep-11-18 optimal play: <offramp: <optimal play: <offramp: ... On my recent 6-monthly visit to Rogoff I had the temerity to inquire what an "OMV" was. I was told with startling celerity to <read the @#$%* forum!!>> Don't feel bad. Not everyone's cut out for the rough & tumble of Rogoff.>

I just don't know much about the man, so I don't feel qualified to post. I know he was a good player, and I believe he was one of Ronald Reagan's speechwriters. I assume he also made a statement at some time about Objective Moral Values, whatever they are. Anyway, if I think of anything to say about him I shall post it there. The great thing is, I can post there whenever I want! I am not banned or anything!>

Good for you!

So the next time you post something on Rogoff, don't run away just because someone is mean to you.

Stand your ground, even if you get a bloodied nose.>

I notice the intervening post by <offramp> was also deleted.

<Phony Benoni> posted: <Sep-11-18 Phony Benoni: OK, guys, that crossed the line as far as I'm concerned. Personal attacks, no matter how mild, are not welcome here.>

That's a rather perplexing comment, and I can only assume that subsequent to my last post, <offramp> posted a personal attack which I didn't see?!

I would be very surprised at that since <offramp> certainly doesn't seem like the sort of fellow who would post a personal attack, and nothing in my two posts consisted of a personal attack, so I'm rather confused as to why they were deleted.

Of course <Phony Benoni> can delete anything he wants on his own forum without justification, and perhaps he was bored with the back and forth between myself and <offramp> and just didn't want it on his forum anymore.

Anyway, I don't take these things personally, but it seemed like an odd thing to delete such inoffensive comments on the pretext that they contained personal attacks!?

I wasn't offended by anything <offramp> posted and I'm sure he wouldn't have been offended by any of my comments.

Very odd.

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  optimal play: Just further to the above, I recall interacting with <Phony Benoni> and <offramp> very briefly on only one separate occasion each.

With <Phony Benoni>, we shared a common interest in Abraham Kupchik and the earliest success of black playing the common Sicilian 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6

Abraham Kupchik (kibitz #22)

With <offramp>, we both enjoyed the hilarity of <HeMateMe>'s laughable attempts to analyze a Portisch-Fischer game:

Portisch vs Fischer, 1966 (kibitz #59)

So they're both good blokes and hopefully I can stay on good terms with the both of them.

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  offramp: NO! No! No! No! No! I didn't post anything after you!

I'm pretty sure PB was just being cautious. There was nothing bad but he wanted his forum, quite rightly, clear of the <BP> overspill.

There are no problems whatever from me, <optimal play>!

That WAS funny, that F V Portisch game!

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  optimal play: <offramp> I was certain that you wouldn't have posted anything that even remotely sounded like a personal attack, since your reputation on chessgames is above reproach. But since I didn't make any personal attacks, even mild one's, I was perplexed by PB's comment.

Anyway, I'm glad we're okay.

And maybe you should drop by Rogoff more than twice a year since your witty, insightful, knowledgeable comments would make a great addition to that forum.

And you don't even have to talk about Ken Rogoff, all you need are strong opinions and a hide as thick as a rhinoceros!


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  offramp: Thanks very much, <OP>. I did not know people felt like that about me! You have made me extremely happy!
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  optimal play: Today (October 7th) is the feast of Our Lady of the Rosary, instituted after the defeat of the Muslims at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571.

Saint of the Day — Our Lady of the Rosary — October 7th

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  thegoodanarchist: For Country Music lovers, here's a good tune.... Rolling Stones style!

And no, it isn't <Country Honk>

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  optimal play: Thanks for the song <tga> even though it's complete rubbish, it's a reminder the Stones should stick to rock'n'roll.

Now for true blue dinky-di lovers of country music, you can't go past Chad Morgan:

<Chad Morgan - I'm the Sheik of Scrubby Creek>

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  thegoodanarchist: <OP: it's complete rubbish>

it is one of those "novelty" songs that is supposed to be funny, like <One eyed one horned flying purple people eater>

At least, that was my assumption.

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  optimal play: <thegoodanarchist: ... it is one of those "novelty" songs that is supposed to be funny ...>

Yep, I get that (you can tell just by looking at their faces), but it's still a lousy song.

Anyway, without any segue, here is my top 10 list of Australian male actors:

1. Errol Flynn
2. Peter Finch
3. Russell Crowe
4. Geoffrey Rush
5. Heath Ledger
6. Rod Taylor
7. Chips Rafferty
8. Hugh Jackman
9. Mel Gibson
10.Leo McKern

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  Travis Bickle: You Woodie, keep your avatar, it's perfect! ; P
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  diceman: <optimal play:

Anyway, without any segue, here is my top 10 list of Australian male actors:

1. Errol Flynn>

Didn't know he was Australian.

<it's still a lousy song>

Cowboy hats could have improved the vibe. :)

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  thegoodanarchist: <Anyway, without any segue,>

Was yours stolen?

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  optimal play: So anyway, I was having a very interesting discussion with a Protestant Fundamentalist friend of mine on another forum until the issues I raised became too uncomfortable for him at which point he exclaimed <Okay, you can't seem to do me the courtesy of responding to me, so I will move on> and abruptly terminated our debate.

He had initially introduced a discussion about a bible passage he raised at his local Protestant Fundamentalist church so I asked him a few questions about his church procedure.

He was happy to oblige with a description of what goes on, however when I delved into some of their beliefs, that's when he seemed to get a little irritated.

My inquiries were totally genuine but after I presented him with an apparent contradiction in his church's beliefs (specifically 1 Corinthians 14:34-40) that's when he mistakenly began to view my interest as some sort of "Catholic attack on heresy".

Well, he really became upset when we got to the Lord's Supper and I showed him evidence that it was more than just a "nice memorial supper".

That really got him cranky!

He retorted by babbling on about the Law of Moses and not being allowed to drink blood which had nothing to do with anything!

When I presented evidence that Jesus was not bound by the Law of Moses that's when he pulled down the shutters with an abrupt <Okay, you can't seem to do me the courtesy of responding to me, so I will move on> and that was that!

Anyway, I remain open to any further discussion or inquiry from my Protestant Fundamentalist friend or anyone else who wishes to comment on this matter.

I will of course say a prayer for my friend and his Protestant Fundamentalist church next Sunday at mass.

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  optimal play: Further to the above, it is interesting to examine the prohibition in the Law of Moses regarding the drinking of blood as found in Leviticus 17.

Leviticus 17, like many OT passages, prefigures the coming of Christ, in this instance, the Last Supper, emphasising "sacrifice" and "atonement".

Jesus' language at the Last Supper of his blood being "poured out" specifically evokes the Levitical law code.

Not only does it call to mind the language of Leviticus 17, but also the fact that the blood of the sacrificial animals brought for atonement had to be "poured out" (cf. Leviticus 4).

The Last Supper is what transforms Jesus' execution into a sacrifice, so it cannot just simply be a "nice memorial supper".

It is also interesting to reflect on Hebrews chapters 9 & 10 in this regard.

Jesus was not just giving to the apostles blessed bread and wine. He was giving His very self.

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  optimal play: So anyway, I posted a memorable quote by my good ol' mate from Ohio on the Memorable Quotes forum, but chessgames' resident martinet showed up waving his stick around and squawking <this isn't the place for it>!

Our resident millenial petty tyrant further squealed <as usual in any/all <OCF> quotes showing up here to settle the score, there's nothing witty, humorous, or off-beat to be found>!

But I can't quite figure out if the little tyrant was having a go at me or my mate from Ohio?!

Or maybe both of us?

I mean, chessgames' Chief Wiggum may be castigating me for posting an inappropriate quote on a forum which he considers his own domain, or possibly, he may be denigrating my Ohio mate by insinuating that nothing he ever says is witty, humorous or off-beat!?

If the latter, I would certainly take umbrage with that as I had previously posted a very funny quote by my mid-western buddy in July:

<Jul-04-18 <Trump played either rugby or Aussie rules football> Good. If those lousy Ozzies try to be World Champions in Australian Rules Football, the USA has a secret weapon.>


I got a good laugh out of that! Very memorable indeed!

So, I think it's just like my good ol' mate from Brazil opined:

<For the last time ... Spare us from your hypocrisy and buy a mirror. You <<did the same>> ... few weeks ago and got your feelings hurt when I pointed that out. Quit lecturing people about how and what to post>

Now THAT'S a memorable quote!


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  diceman: <Quit lecturing people about how and what to post>

Atheists enjoy playing God with your life.

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  diceman: <optimal play:

Our resident millenial petty tyrant further squealed>

He has re-memorable quoted himself.

Heh, heh.

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  Count Wedgemore: <Our resident millennial petty tyrant>

A very apt description.

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  optimal play: I just noticed my memorable quote has been deleted!?

Well, not a memorable quote by me, but a memorable quote by <OhioChessFan> which I posted on the Memorable Quotes forum.

<Oct-11-18 OhioChessFan: Okay, you can't seem to do me the courtesy of responding to me, so I will move on.>

playground player chessforum (kibitz #15890)

It wasn't just that quote which got deleted but also all of the following comments subsequent.

I think it would have been appropriate to delete all the comments following this memorable quote, but left the quote by <OCF> in place, although perhaps Uros felt that if he left the original quote in place then it would continue to be a source of controversy.

I see that Uros has pasted all the deleted comments to his own forum TheAlchemist, so they are still available to be read.

Anybody reading through the comments can see that once again the instigator of the trouble was <Zanzibar>

TheAlchemist chessforum (kibitz #3370)

I am certain the memorable quote would not have been deleted if <Zanzibar> had not kicked up a stink about it.

<Zanzibar> has really caused a great deal of trouble on this site following the passing of Daniel Freeman (may he rest in peace).

He is constantly buzzing around sticking his nose in everything even though it has nothing to do with him.

Zanzy was the second most obnoxious person on this site following Daniel's passing:

optimal play chessforum (kibitz #1601)

Zanzy the pansy is a spoiled millenial leftist.

He is a nasty little pink-pussy-hat-wearing lickspittle who cannot stand to see any freedom of thought or opinion.

A perusal of the comments following the memorable quote shows that Zanzy was the only one bleating about it.

Five different people took a shot at Zanzy for his whining, with nobody defending him, which highlights the contempt in which he is now held here at chessgames.

I didn't post anything following the original quote because I didn't consider it worthwhile to respond to Zanzy's bellyaching.

The problem with Two-Hands-Zanz is that he has become absolutely obsessed with this site and tries to micromanage every aspect of it, from pontificating over what may or may not be posted, to who may be permitted to post here at all.

No wonder there is real concern amongst long-time members here as to <Zanzibar>'s attempts to slither his way into a position of authority on this site.

If that ever eventuated it would spell the death knell of

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  Count Wedgemore: <The problem with Two-Hands-Zanz is that he has become absolutely obsessed with this site and tries to micromanage every aspect of it, from pontificating over what may or may not be posted, to who may be permitted to post here at all.>

Yes, right on, <op>. There is no doubt about it. He did this to me as well, just yesterday on the Rogoff forum.

Our resident millennial petty tyrant, apparently annoyed by a post I made about the Elizabeth Warren controversy, he claimed that, as a Norwegian, I should be an unbiased observer and not weigh in on the issue..

Yes, seriously!

<Z truth: <CW> If you were an unbiased Norwegian observer, you probably won't weigh in on this issue until it has fully shaked out.>

Kenneth S Rogoff (kibitz #352217)

The spoiled millennial leftist has no integrity whatsoever. He is a disgrace.

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  diceman: <Count Wedgemore:

he claimed that,
as a Norwegian, I should be an unbiased observer and not weigh in on the issue..>

Id claim I'm transcountry, and identify American!

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  Count Wedgemore: LOL, <dice>..

The irony is that his ilk are the ones that is all internationalist, open-border, etc. For <zanzi> & co. you would think it shouldn't matter which country you come from, huh? But of course, if you disagree with them then suddenly it matters. Suddenly it's America first..

So much hypocrisy guys, it's stunning.

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  TheAlchemist: <optimal play> It's not ideal the way I acted, I know. It's nothing against you or anyone else, but I won't allow it to become a venue of bickering when that can easily be done anywhere else, especially since it often seems like spillover from other pages.

When I had a lot of problems with two users some time ago who used it to take shots at each other, one's post would inevitably trigger a reply by the other and then cue in snowball effect. So removing the original was the only way to deal with the situation in those instances.

I don't follow what's going on around here much so even if I cared to I cannot take sides, because I simply don't know enough. But I try to be impartial.

All I can ask is that posts there are made in good faith especially if poking fun of others here. I'm not against that, it comes with the territory with being on the internet, but sometimes I feel I'm left with no other choice than to act as I did now.

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  optimal play: <TheAlchemist> Perfectly understandable.

I think the Memorable Quotes forum is terrific and I fully appreciate your concern about keeping the page free from bickering and insults.

A wide variety of quotes are posted there, with varying degrees of wit and cleverness.

Some I find very funny and clever, others not so much, but as long as the forum remains free from the gratuitous opinions of self-appointed critics, it can be a page which is easily perused by interested members, enjoying one quote after another, without having to wade through acrimony and argument.

My latest contribution was made in good faith, as always, and whatever anyone else thought of it, I consider it rather ignorant and ill-mannered of <Zanzibar> to post his unsolicited snarky judgement.

After Zanzy proferred his unwelcome viewpoint, other members understandably told him exactly what they thought of him; his hypocrisy, his double-standards, and just how he is seen at this website.

I chose not to jump in with my own comments since I don't give a hoot about Zanzy's bellyaching, and didn't want to see the MQ page deteriorate any further.

It seems that just as Zanzy ruined Daniel Freeman's Players page he also wanted to ruin the Memorable Quotes page. Therefore I hold no animosity towards you for your decision to erase all those comments, including my original quote.

I would still like to contribute (what I think qualify as) memorable quotes in the future, and hopefully <Zanzibar> will have stopped stalking me by then, and we won't see a repeat of Zanzy's disgraceful behaviour.

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