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playground player
Member since Oct-01-06 · Last seen Oct-15-18
NJ--no rating. Favorites, Morphy, Marshall, Anderssen. Played a lot as a teen, then let it go for 40 years. Trying to reconstitute myself as a chess player.

Meanwhile, let this forum serve as a refuge from wild-eyed loony leftism. Here there will be no admiration for Hugo Chavez, Castro, or any of the other tin-pot dictators admired by chess players from the safety of freedom-loving Western democracies. Here will be found a premise that most of the nations of the world today are governed by Godless fools. Ours, too, unfortunately.

I was also going to say some uncomplimentary things about Queen Pawn games, the Sicilian and the French Defenses, Semi-Slav games, and a few other chess matters. But as those are purely questions of personal taste, I have chosen to leave them alone.

Since setting up this forum, I have also had several novels published: "Bell Mountain," "The Cellar Beneath the Cellar," and "The Thunder King." For more information about them (and me), visit my website, http://leeduigon.com/

Update, much delayed: my fourth book, "The Last Banquet," came out last year, and my fifth, "The Fugitive Prince," I expect to be published sometime this Spring. For book covers and free sample chapters, visit my blog.

Update again: "The Fugitive Prince" is out now and the next project is "The Palace." Editing is well advanced, but we're still waiting for a cover.

Update: "The Palace" is in print now along with No. 7, "The Glass Bridge," with No. 8, "The Temple," waiting in the wings. The first seven are all available via amazon.com.

Update: No. 8, "The Temple," and No.9, "The Throne," are now in print, with No. 10, "The Silver Trumpet,"due for release any day now.

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   Oct-15-18 playground player chessforum
 
playground player: <cormier> The problem with God giving signs is that the people always ignored them.
 
   Sep-20-18 T Chapman vs Kasparov, 2001 (replies)
 
playground player: Tal wasn't the only chess magician.
 
   Jul-20-18 W Winter vs Menchik, 1930 (replies)
 
playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> <Jessicafischerqueen> has a nice documentary on Vera Menchik. Check it out.
 
   Jul-12-18 technical draw chessforum (replies)
 
playground player: <Park Chung Hee> Wow! I haven't heard that name since I was in junior high school. He came to a bad end, didn't he?
 
   Jun-27-18 jessicafischerqueen chessforum (replies)
 
playground player: I didn't get where I am today by being a member of the sasquatch awareness community.
 
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Oct-10-18  SugarDom: Optimal. It's clearly languages. You missed that biblical account of day of Pentecost when non-believers heard the disciples speaking in their languages.
Oct-10-18  SugarDom: It's gibberish because some Christian "force" themselves to speak in tongues. But it doesn't work that way.
Oct-10-18  SugarDom: Optimal, I'm still surprised you cling to a religion where the priests are pedophiles and the members perform idolatry. In some Catholic Churches in the Philippines, there are more idols statues than parishioners. Salvation comes from believing in Christ not from joining the Catholic Church and performing their sacraments.
Oct-10-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: Gospel
Lord, teach us to pray

Alleluia
You have received a spirit of adoption as sons through which we cry: Abba! Father!

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...

Oct-10-18
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  playground player: <SugarDom> <"the priests are pedophiles"> is both untrue and unjust. Some priests does not equal all priests.

Back to tongues: Acts 2 tells us that the "tongues" spoken at Pentacost were real tongues.

But if someone spoke in Scythian or Phyrgian at a service where none of the congregation understood those languages, the speech would be just as unintelligible as if it were gibberish.

Oct-10-18  SugarDom: It's unjust to the victims. They ruin the children's lives.
Oct-10-18  SugarDom: The correct attitude is not to have contempt to those who are speaking in tongues, unless they're faking it. Because if you're having contempt, then really you are having contempt againts the HolySpirit, an unforgivable sin.
Oct-10-18
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  OhioChessFan: <opt: I don't think 1 Cor 14:2 trumps Acts 2 It's not a card game. >

Glad to hear it.

<In comparing the various bible passages it seems that tongues may be intelligible in some cases but not others.>

In the longest, real life demonstration/discussion, it is crystal clear they are understandable human languages. You claim you don't think 1 Cor. 14:2 trumps that, but your argument says otherwise.

<That some pentecostal churches affirm speaking in tongues as a sign of salvation simply reflects the hodge-podge of belief found among the myriad protestant denominations.>

I agree. Changing subjects and all, but whatever.

<Women speaking in church is not a matter of belief but of culture;>

Really, now? You get to just say that, and that settles it? You are rather in the habit of doing that. Anyway, let's look at what the Bible says is the reason:

<1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.>

That would in fact be the absolutely most <un>cultural reason possible. Paul goes all the way back to the very beginning to explain the rationale of women not speaking in the church. Do you really want to stick with your claim?

<opt: speaking in tongues is not a matter of culture but of belief.>

It's also a matter of when they were in effect, and for what purpose.

<As one who has not spoken in tongues I retain an open mind on the matter, but in any case, Paul places speaking in tongues way down the list of spiritual gifts after apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, healers, helpers, guides and then speakers of tongues, so it's of no great importance (cf 1 Cor 12:28).>

Okay. Kind of avoiding the main point, which you're in the habit of, but it does allow you to respond to my response to your off-topic point, which you're in the habit of doing.

<I pointed out that women may read part of the Gospel on Palm Sunday and Good Friday. They are prohibited from reading the Gospel normally because they are not priests. They're two separate issues.>

Well, the women/priest thing is a matter of culture, so that'll change some day.

<Your insistence on pointing out that because the Last Supper took place approximately twelve hours before the crucifixion, Jesus could therefore not have meant it when he said "This is my blood" is bizarre!>

You say it's bizarre, so that settles it. You're in the habit of such things. Anyway, I think my point stands unrefuted.

1. Was the Last Supper conducted during the time the Law of Moses was in effect? I say yes.

2. Would eating blood be a sin according to the Law of Moses? I say yes.

3. Would Jesus ever break the Law of Moses and encourage others to do so? I say no.

That's my position, with specifics. Where exactly do you disagree? Be specific.

<The Last Supper, Crucifixion and Resurrection are inextricably linked.>

Yes.

Oct-10-18
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  OhioChessFan: <opt: You're just splitting hairs which makes no sense!>

In less rarefied circles, they call statements like that "a concession speech".

<As regards ordained priests, the apostles at the Last Supper subsequently placed their hands on suitable Christian men (ie ordained) to continue their work, including presiding over the Eucharist, which has continued down to today.>

That's a lot of specifics but with general evidence provided. "ie ordained" is not going to be left unchallenged by me. "including presiding over the Eucharist" is another specific claim not proven by general statements.

<I cannot see where you explained what you actually do and say when you preside over the Lord's Supper.>

I sometimes share a Scripture, I sometimes share some general thoughts, I always say a prayer and we pass around the communion bread, on metal plates, those you typically see at Christian supply stores. Another prayer is always said and we pass around individual cups of unfermented wine, again in metal plates.

<If you can briefly detail the words you use (ie formal prayers, bible passages etc), and what actions you perform (ie breaking the bread, holding it up, distributing it etc), it would be very interesting.>

I don't break the bread. We had one former member who always did. We allow such differences to various members.

<If you really have no reason to think the sun didn't literally stop but refuse to believe the Real Presence in the Eucharist, then I suspect the issue is an inability to appreciate the sacred mystery.>

Okay. I am sure I'm not the only kid who grew up in the RCC who was a little suspsicious how often a "mystery" was proposed in church doctrine.

<In the OT book of Joshua it says "The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day", so you think, "Okay, that's exactly what happened.">

Yes.

<In the Gospels, Jesus says, "This is my body" and "This is my blood" and you think, "Well, Jesus was still sitting there, so it was just an analogy, like 'I am the vine'.">

Yes. I'm glad you're following me.

<On the cross, Jesus truly gave of himself. It wasn't just an analogy. It was for real.>

I have no idea what point you're making, nor what nexus you intended to make it.

Oct-11-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  optimal play: <SugarDom> I'm familiar with the passage concerning the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost:

"All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them."

- Acts 2:4

In this instance, the tongues were in understandable languages, however where Paul describes the speaking of tongues:

"For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit."

- 1 Corinthians 14:2

it is not in an understandable language.

Some bibles translate "tongues" in Acts 2:4 as "languages".

In any event, I would be loathe to accuse someone today who was speaking in tongues of being deceitful.

I agree with you that the correct attitude is not to have contempt for those who are speaking in tongues, because you cannot be sure if "they're faking it" or if it is genuine.

As regards "clinging to a religion where the priests are pedophiles and the members perform idolatry", you're mistaken in that I don't "cling" to a religion, very few priests are pedophiles, and idolatry is strictly prohibited.

Yes, salvation comes from believing in Christ, and the sacraments of the Catholic Church are outward signs instituted by Christ to give grace to us on our journey.

<playground player> You are quite right to point out that only some priests are pedophiles.

Of course even one is too many and it is imperative that this evil be purged completely and totally from the clergy.

It must start at the top with a complete clean out of the Vatican, targeting the cardinals and bishops especially.

Nevertheless, it's important to remember that the Church is made up of the laity, not the clergy, and the laity have been the most vociferous in investigating this matter, and won't rest until all those involved in both the crimes and the cover-ups have been brought to account.

As for Pope Francis, he still has a lot to answer.

Oct-11-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  optimal play: <OhioChessFan> 1 Timothy 2:11-15 restricts women from teaching or having authority over men, and is one of the Bible verses quoted against the ordination of women.

A lector does not teach or have authority over men, she simply reads the appropriate Scripture for that mass.

Although the story of Adam & Eve is used in this passage to support the argument for women's silence in these circumstances, it is quite a different scenario from Christ's reference to Adam & Eve regarding divorce (cf Mark 10).

Divorce is a central moral issue defined by Christ himself, women speaking at church is not.

~~~~

What is this obsession you have with the Law of Moses?

Healing on the Sabbath was a sin according to the Law of Moses!

Picking heads of grain and eating them on the Sabbath was a sin according to the Law of Moses!

Not washing hands before eating was a sin according to the Law of Moses!

Jesus Christ came into the world with full authority right at the commencement of his ministry:

“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

- Mark 1:15

~~~~

Thank you for sharing your practice regarding the Lord's Supper.

~~~~

Why are you suspicious of "mystery"?

~~~~

I don't want to get bogged down in Joshua and the sun because we've been over all that before, but it seems odd to believe in the literal fact of that occurence, yet relegate Jesus' solemn pronouncement at the Last Supper to nothing more than an analogy simply because of a prohibition in Leviticus about drinking blood!?

As I already pointed out, the words of Jesus at the Last Supper cannot be reduced to a simple analogy because they differ markedly from his previous analogous sayings and must be understood in the context of his impending sacrificial death on the cross.

Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

- Matthew 26:26-28

The Eucharist has been celebrated for the past 2,000 years not as a "nice memorial supper" to reminisce over old times, but as a commemoration of the sacrifice of the cross.

As Paul emphasises:

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.

- 1 Corinthians 11:23-29

You can't water that down to a "nice memorial supper".

Oct-11-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Okay, you can't seem to do me the courtesy of responding to me, so I will move on.
Oct-11-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: Gospel
Ask and you will receive

Alleluia
Open our hearts, O Lord, to listen to the words of your Son

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...

Oct-11-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> It would have been big news if the Catholic-Protestant divide over core doctrinal issues had been resolved here in my chess forum. Thanks to <OhioChessFan> and <optimal play> for keeping it clean. I haven't always been that fortunate with similar discussions that have flared up on my blog.

Anyway, I'm happy I didn't have to delete any of the comments.

My own two cents' worth: For Christians, legalism and antinomianism are Scylla and Charibdys (and let's see if I get away with that metaphor).

Oct-11-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: <ocf> ... this is joyfull for me .....

1. Was the Last Supper conducted during the time the Law of Moses was in effect? I say yes.

<yes, yet there Is more there than Moses, the ancian-alliance is given Way to the new-one .......>

2. Would eating blood be a sin according to the Law of Moses? I say yes.

<yes, but Moses wrote to refute a woman because of a man's stone heart, that, and more than 600 others were still done by many(most) israelites during Jesus(God-Emanuel) camping trip on earth>

3. Would Jesus ever break the Law of Moses and encourage others to do so? I say no.

<Is it ok to cure someone on the lord's day?>

That's my position, with specifics. Where exactly do you disagree? Be specific.

<The Last Supper, Crucifixion and Resurrection are inextricably linked.>

Yes.

<yes, perfectly perfect>

....... ths <ocf>

Oct-11-18
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  OhioChessFan: I guess it's the proximity to the Fascists of Canada, but what is going on in Alaska with their "Equal Rights Commission"?

<The Equal Rights Commission had attempted to silence attorney Kevin Clarkson, who was representing the Downtown Hope Center against a separate charge being brought by the Anchorage Equal Rights Commission....Clarkson had been defending the women’s homeless shelter at the Downtown Hope Center, after a man who identifies as a woman sought overnight shelter in March of 2018 in a place reserved only for women.>

http://mustreadalaska.com/anchorage...

Oct-12-18
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  cormier: Gospel
If it is by the finger of God that I drive out demons, then the Kingdom of God has come upon you

Alleluia
>The prince of this world will now be cast out>, and when I am lifted up from the earth I will draw all to myself, says the Lord

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...

Oct-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: <OhioChessFan> If your city has anything like an "equal rights commission," that means your city has too much money and needs to lower its tax rate until it can't afford any more such frivolous luxuries.

So, lemme see if I've got this straight... They want to smash the women's shelter because some drunken guy who said he was a woman wanted to spend the night there, and the shelter operators wouldn't let him; and they want to crush the shelter's attorney for representing his client.

How crazy does this have to get before we finally put a stop to it?

Oct-12-18
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  diceman: <OhioChessFan:

what is going on in Alaska with their "Equal Rights Commission"?>

Business as usual.
Fascism against freedom, religion, and normal.

All designed to garner the vote of a small minority. Get enough small minorities together and you have something.

Oct-13-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: I see the Anchorage "Equal Rights" commission has dropped charges against the women's shelter lawyer who had the temerity to represent his client.

Anchorage should now drop its stupid Equal Rights Commission.

Meanwhile, Colorado State goes to war against "gendered emojis."

https://leeduigon.com/2018/10/13/co...

All in the interests of "diversity" and "inclusion," don't you know.

Oct-13-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: Gospel
Blessed is the womb that carried you! Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God!

Alleluia
Blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...

Oct-14-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: How is it in the interest of "diversity" to insist that men and women are exactly the same, and freely interchangeable?
Oct-14-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: Gospel
Sell sell what you have, and follow me

Alleluia
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...

Oct-15-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  cormier: Gospel
This generation will only be given the sign of Jonah

Alleluia
If today you hear his voice, harden not your hearts

http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...

Oct-15-18
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  playground player: <cormier> The problem with God giving signs is that the people always ignored them.
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