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|May-27-15|| ||Annie K.: Doctor, doctor, I've had this Belinda Carlisle song stuck in my head for *days* now, what can I do??!! ;s|
|May-27-15|| ||chancho: Simple.
Listen to this one:
|May-27-15|| ||Annie K.: <chancho> Um, not helping! ;p|
|May-27-15|| ||tpstar: <chancho> Great choice!|
The first five times I heard, "Blue Heaven is a place on Earth" and wondered where that was. :P
<Annie> You'll like this counterpoint - they're Canadian:
W So vs Carlsen, 2015
|May-30-15|| ||scout118: Go Wesley!|
|Jun-06-15|| ||OhioChessFan: The Wiki page can use a little cleaning up. Are you in charge of that?|
|Jun-06-15|| ||tpstar: <OhioChessFan> Feel free to list any revisions here, then we need a friendly Wikipedia editor like <TheFocus> to upload the changes. I believe <FSR> retired from Wikipedia.|
This part at the end is new:
"In 2013, Chesscafe.com columnist and chess historian Olimpiu G. Urcan published a scathing article on poor scholarship and lack of ethical standards on chess websites in general, and on chessgames.com in particular. He also criticised its close association with Raymond Keene."
Golly, I wonder who would post that. :P
|Jun-06-15|| ||Annie K.: <crawfb4> and <Switch> are also Wikipedia editors, I believe. :)|
<This part at the end is new>
I'd leave that alone. It's a factual report of a relevant publication.
Besides, it should completely cure that 'suspicious glowing' problem we seem to have been having... ;p
BTW, I would not be at all sure that the party made to look bad by this paragraph is <cg>. Especially if we'd just fill in that one missing little detail that really should have been included - the exact publication date of Urcan's article.
|Jun-06-15|| ||TheFocus: <tpstar> <OhioChessFan> <Feel free to list any revisions here, then we need a friendly Wikipedia editor like <TheFocus> to upload the changes. I believe <FSR> retired from Wikipedia.>|
Sorry I can't help. I also retired from Wickedpedia.
|Jun-06-15|| ||Penguincw: If you people don't mind me joining this discussion:|
I also edit on Wikipedia (same username as here). I used to be more active a few years ago (mainly on other wikis), but now only edit once in a blue moon. However, I still want to try to help.
The only 2 revisions needed I see right off the bat is updating the first sentence: "Chessgames.com is an Internet chess community with over 197,000 members." (now up to 213,000+). Also, I don't like how the "ChessBookie Game" is listed under features which imply it's only for Premium members (or perhaps that's what <cg> is planning to do soon).
BTW: A user by the name of <MaxBrowne> added that Urcan article (you may talk to them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_...).
|Jun-06-15|| ||tpstar: <Penguincw> Hooray! Please edit and fix as you see fit. =)|
The entry now has a banner: "This article relies too much on references to primary sources. Please improve this article by adding secondary or tertiary sources. (April 2014)" We cited Howard's Chess Life article and two of my Chess Life For Kids opening articles so we had more references. Does anyone know how to get secondary and tertiary sources?
<factual report> Noted, yet this writer was well aware of how to submit corrections here instead of publicly publishing a laundry list of pet peeves. Moreover, he is now using this specific Wikipedia platform to further his own profile, which might be considered unethical in certain circles. Third, as I said before, it is patently unfair to measure this site by someone else's standard for historical accuracy, especially as that was never their intent from the start.
At least we now have a profile picture of Isidor Gunsberg . ;>D
|Jun-06-15|| ||Penguincw: < tpstar: <Penguincw> Hooray! Please edit and fix as you see fit. =) >|
Sure, will do. :)
< At least we now have a profile picture of Isidor Gunsberg. >
Next step: add his name to the drop-down menu on the homepage search function...
|Jun-06-15|| ||Annie K.: <Penguincw> the ChessBookie will stay free.|
<tpstar> That doesn't really matter. Fact remains that this is an outside article published about chessgames.com, so it's relevant and may be mentioned, and we should not attempt to suppress it. Who may have what agenda, will have to be left up to the reader's intelligence. :)
However, I really would like the article's publication date -
December 25, 2013 - added to the information about it.
|Jun-06-15|| ||OhioChessFan: Here's a few things I spent about 10 seconds taking note of. So a little discussion would surely be in order before effecting changes:|
<The site has over 197,000 registered members>
<penguin> already mentioned that number is a bit stale.
< (of whom about 7 percent have visited over the last three months), >
"of whom" hurts my eyes and ears. Surely there's a less awkward construction available.
Wesley So should be listed as prominent and not simply as someone who's posted here.
The World section should mention the frequent discussions whether "The World" = "Chessgames.com World Team". Even a brief mention that the issue is controversial on this site would be in order methinks.
<Chessgames began as a chess learning site and now has a Playing Zone for real-time play.>
This should probably be removed.
Footnotes 8 and 15 are duplicates. Why not an ibid?
Footnote 12 is titled "Rematch" but footnote 17 is not. If that is a direct link from the site itself, I'll appeal to cg.c to make it consistent.
|Jun-06-15|| ||OhioChessFan: I 100% think the Urcan article reference should stay in.|
|Jun-07-15|| ||TheFocus: Oh yes, the Urcan article should definitely stay.
It was honest and factual, and gave CeeGee a black eye that it definitely deserved.
|Jun-07-15|| ||Annie K.: Oh, <Doc>, I think I should clarify: I used the term <factual report> to refer to the factuality of the report at Wikipedia about the article's existence, not as a description of the content of the article (which may, or may not, be debateable, but this doesn't matter; the Wikipedia public has the right to be informed about it).|
|Jun-07-15|| ||tpstar: I am skeptical whenever someone self-describes their copy as "scathing" in any context, akin to giving yourself an A+ on a report only to brag about your high grade. The US Department of Justice presented a "scathing" indictment of Ferguson law enforcement, where seven e-mails over four years (one about Muslims) was "proof" of systemic racism. Anyone looking that hard for evidence is bound to find it, then "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" being a giant lie was mentioned in passing. Anyway, I still feel this, ahem, "scathing" overview was partly frustration about not having corrections implemented in a timely manner, with a large helping of patent self-promotion. His complaints about player pictures are pretty hollow since that subject has been discussed many times over the years; he remembers when Shirov was drunk and Kasparov had yellow teeth and Fine got a police sketch artist representation for his photo.|
In the name of full disclosure, he should admit whether he was disciplined by this site for attacking Ray Keene with his work product removed, even despite a clear Posting Guideline prohibiting personal attacks against other users. What do you call someone who knows the rules yet breaks them anyway?
|Jun-07-15|| ||Annie K.: Ooh, I know that one! "Unrepentant Rule Breaker"?! :D|
Um, <Tony>, you do remember that, as far as I know, we have no proof that this <MaxBrowne> person is actually Urcan, or even directly related to him? It's not utterly impossible that someone else just happened to find that article relevant. In any case, the artice <is> relevant, and that's that from Wikipedia's POV.
|Jun-07-15|| ||OhioChessFan: I find the "scathing" remark very interesting and an indication of self glorification, or at least coattail surfing. How many times has anyone ever seen the word "scathing" in print? Let's see.......some hack newspaper writer who think it's literary gold to reference a "scathing cross examination". And.....ummmmmmmmm......a "scathing" article about a chess site. And......that's about it.|
|Jun-07-15|| ||OhioChessFan: I am certainly not a hack writer, so I won't mention that it'd probably be accurate to say that Wesley So put a scathing smackdown on a bunch of his alleged fans.|
|Jun-08-15|| ||OhioChessFan: Would you look at this?
<shivasuri4: Olimpiu Urcan wrote this scathing article a while ago, sharply (and rather unfairly, I must add) criticising CG for its perceived shortcomings and flaws.>
I guess people do use that word.
A quick look at Wiki reveals that <MaxBrowne> claims to be from New Zealand, for what that is worth.
|Jun-18-15|| ||chancho: <Tony>, I read your post about CG having a crisis.|
I hope it's not the kind of crisis where the site is in danger of being closed down.
|Jun-18-15|| ||tpstar: <chancho> chessgames.com chessforum|
|Jun-18-15|| ||chancho: Thanks Tony.|
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