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|Oct-20-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: In the third presidential debate, HRC repeats that she wants a we-fly-you-don't zone in Syria. What the heck is wrong with her. She and every senior military officer must know that means shooting down Russian aircraft. If her faction of the US leadership are serious on this, they must believe that a limited non nuclear war in Syria is possible against the Russian military. I can't believe they're insane enough to want a nuclear war.|
|Oct-20-16|| ||saffuna: Yes, I heard her say that, and I thank you and <twinlark> for pointing that out earlier, so I noticed it. It does sound incredibly risky.|
|Oct-20-16|| ||Travis Bickle: <twinlark: ...If you're going to participate in this forum's discussion, try and keep up with what's been said, otherwise please stay away as you're adding nothing except your prejudice and ignorance.> What you're really saying is anyone who doesn't agree with your anti-American friends and terrorist sympathizers is ignorant! How does an Anti-American Australian tell an American on an American site to keep out? |
P.S. if you called me prejudist & ignorant to my face I'd punch your arrogant anti-American Dogface in!
|Oct-20-16|| ||Travis Bickle: Ok I will stay away but I will alert Homeland Security on your anti-American & possible terrorist forum.|
|Oct-20-16|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <Travis Bickle: Ok I will stay away but I will alert Homeland Security on your anti-American & possible terrorist forum.>|
As <twinlark> suggested, if you want to join the adult discussion, you should bring facts to the table, not insults.
The US supports al Qaeda in Syria along with other terror groups, this is simply documented. So it's rather strange that you accuse others of supporting terrorism.
My guess is you're not interested in facts.
|Oct-20-16|| ||twinlark: <Travis>
<Ok I will stay away>
If you wish. I did however ask you a specific question:
<Russia is in Syria legally. The US and its allies are most assuredly not there legally. They invited themselves in contrary to international law.
Before you take another step in this discussion, why don't you think through that <fact>?>
Did you think upon this? Or did this question spark your "anti-American & possible terrorist" tirade?
<but I will alert Homeland Security on your anti-American & possible terrorist forum.>
I'd be interested to know how anything on this forum is even vaguely supportive of terrorism. Is it a crime under US law for foreigners not in the US (ie anyone in the world) - or even US citizens in the US - to express opinions that disagree with US foreign policy?
Anyway back to my original invitation. If you're going to join in a discussion, please read the discussion first and then argue the point with the full knowledge of what has been said. Also, preferably support your argument with facts. Otherwise don't be surprised if no-one takes any notice.
|Oct-20-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Colonel Mortimer: My guess is you're not interested in facts.>|
By the way he talks, my guess is that he actually wants to shoot down Russian aircraft and start a nuclear war.
|Oct-20-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: It seems that at least two NATO countries are testing the limits of the Syrians and Russians.|
<General Command of the Syrian army and armed forces said on Thursday that warplanes of Erdogan regime perpetrated on Wednesday a massacre that killed more than 150 innocent civilians through targeting the villages and towns of Hasajk, al-Wariyah, Hassiya, Ghoul Srouj, Sad al-Shahba, Ehris and Um Housh in Aleppo northern countryside.
The army’s command affirmed that this flagrant aggression which targeted innocent citizens is considered as a dangerous development that could escalate the situation.
It warned that any attempt to repeat the violation of the Syrian airspace by the Turkish warplanes will be responded and downed with all available means.>
<Russia insists two Belgium warplanes flying from an Air Force base in Jordan attacked a village in Syria, citing radar data. Belgium denies conducting any airstrikes.
Brussels’ continued denial of the jets movements in the area is Belgian Defense Minister Steven Vandeput “deliberately deceiving people in Belgium and elsewhere in the world, or his subordinates and the Americans are lying to the leadership of Belgium,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman General Igor Konashenkov said.
An airstrike on the village of Hassadjek in Aleppo province reportedly killed six civilians on Tuesday. Russia has now reiterated its accusations against Belgium, saying data from Russian and Syrian radar stations confirm it.>
Since there was no attempt to shoot down these planes, Syria and Russia have just indirectly conveyed their position: Illegal aircraft in Syrian airspace will be monitored but not shot down, yet.
Had these planes actually headed toward Syrian Army positions, this could have had a different ending.
BTW, these types of news are either glossed over, obfuscated, or utterly ignored by MSM. You have to scout around in alternative media to read of them as seen from the other side.
|Oct-20-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: The problem with RT is that it also engages in tabloid style reporting. This tends to muddle up genuinely great articles in it, and degrades the efforts of its war corespondents in Syria who risk their lives reporting from the war front. For example, take a look at this headline.|
<Police officer drags 13yo schoolgirl by her hair ‘like piece of meat’>
I looked at the video. The officer was not dragging the girl by her hair. He was pulling on her handcuffs.
|Oct-20-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: And now back to the propaganda war. It looks as though Wikileaks' access to the internet got a hit.|
<RT: WikiLeaks claims Washington is behind Ecuador's decision to restrict internet access for Julian Assange, while the State Department denies that. So what is happening behind the scenes?
Robert Steele: Let’s start with Barack Obama and the director of national intelligence are lying to the public, as is the Time magazine cover story and the New York Times, and CNN - the Russians are not behind the electronic fraud. Stanford University has clearly established that Hillary Clinton stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders using electoral fraud. Now Julian Assange and all the emails that are going to be released on November 1 have absolutely brought the US establishment into a state of complete panic. There are stories about how Assange may even be turned over to the Americans. The bottom line here is – Ecuador is afraid that they will lose all of its internet access, because the city of London can easily cut off the Ecuadorian embassy as a whole. Assange is a pawn. The Clinton campaign is starting to realize that Donald Trump’s message about “the system is rigged” is now resonating all around the world and across the USA.>
Lots of debatable opinions from Robert Steele. They need verification IMO. However, at least in RT, we get to hear his contrary opinions. In MSM I doubt if we would ever get to hear of them at all.
|Oct-21-16|| ||Colonel Mortimer: When government tries to shut down criticism of their governance, it's time to pay attention to the outlets that criticise government.|
If one doesn't fear what someone is saying, why try to shut that person up?
If you can't question power, because power doesn't like questions - the road to totalitarianism is already being paved again..
|Oct-21-16|| ||diceman: <Colonel Mortimer: When government tries to shut down criticism of their governance, it's time to pay attention to the outlets that criticise government.|
If one doesn't fear what someone is saying, why try to shut that person up?
If you can't question power, because power doesn't like questions - the road to totalitarianism is already being paved again..>
Hmmmm, is CM talking about "his" totalitarianism, or "my" totalitarianism?
It used to be a bit clearer back in the day.
|Oct-21-16|| ||diceman: <visayanbraindoctor: And now back to the propaganda war. It looks as though Wikileaks' access to the internet got a hit.>|
I wonder who Julian Assange gets his meals from? :)
|Oct-21-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Regarding the hype in the UK London press about the Russian aircraft carrier passing by close to home.|
<UK and NATO assets routinely monitor warships from other nations when they enter our area of interest and this will be no different,” a Ministry of Defense spokesperson said in an official statement.
Despite the routine nature of the potential encounter, coverage in the British press has been somewhat sensationalist.>
The UK media is stooping to tabloid journalism and in the process
1. glosses over that the Russian mini flotilla going to the Syrian coast includes that country's only aircraft carrier and the flagship of the Russian Navy (Admiral Kuznetsov).
Totally ignores that same fleet
2. includes Russia's only active Kirov-class battlecruiser (Pyotr Velikiy), which is a nuclear-powered warship that's the largest and heaviest surface combatant warship (i.e. not an aircraft carrier or amphibious assault ship) in the world at present.
3. two Udaloy class destroyers, the Severomorsk and the Vice-Admiral Kulakov.
UK press never asked why Russia is sending the backbone of its Northern Fleet into the Syrian coast.
Why these particular ships? I looked at their weapon systems superficially at Wikipedia and they all carry sophisticated surface to air missiles, anti-ship missiles, and anti submarine weapon systems. (Including the Admiral Kuznetsov which is technically a heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser, designed to 'support and defend strategic missile-carrying submarines, surface ships, and naval missile-carrying aircraft'.)
Also note the following:
<“It is planned that the Serpukhov and the Zeleny Dol will go to the Mediterranean as part of a planned rotation that will join up with the permanent naval task force,” Russian Navy representative Nikolay Voskresensky told journalists.
The two guided missile fast attack craft left from the port of Sevastopol on October 4 and are currently sailing through the Black Sea in order to join up with the Russian fleet.>
A little more reading reveals that these are Buyan-class corvettes, the same kind of small warships that launched Kaliber cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea into Syria.
<The fast-attack guided missile craft (FAC) of the Black Sea, ‘Mirage’, has left Sevastopol and set out on a long Mediterranean journey, after having completed a round of preparations>
A little more reading indicates this is a Nanuchka-class corvette, and it seems to be the very same ship that sank a Georgian warship in the 2008 Russian - Georgian conflict with an anti-ship missile.
All three corvettes above are also armed with surface to air missiles.
My tentative conclusion:
The Russian military is taking the threat of US launching airstrikes against Syrian army positions quite seriously. I think these ships are meant to protect the Syrian coast from incoming cruise missiles from the Mediterranean. In order to reach Syrian land, such cruise missiles will have to pass over these ships first.
It must be mentioned that these warships are off to the Syrian coast in order to protect Syrian and Russian soldiers battling Wahabbi influenced religious fundamentalists that are UK's long term ideological enemy too.
UK tabloid style press totally misses this out, and instead has the gullible public drooling in excitement over the 'Russians are coming' theme. Ironically, the Russians are fighting the UK's long term ideological enemy, and not the UK, yet they are depicted as the enemy.
|Oct-21-16|| ||saffuna: <UK tabloid style press totally misses this out, and instead has the gullible public drooling in excitement over the 'Russians are coming' theme. >|
Yes, I fell into the trap a couple of days ago, getting fooled by not reading an article closely enough, as the <colonel> pointed out.
|Oct-21-16|| ||Travis Bickle: <twinlark> I'm not going to report you to any U.S. Government agency. I was just upset that you called me prejudiced & ignorant. In the U.S. you have Freedom of Speech, so hate America as much as you want. I won't interfere with you anymore.|
|Oct-22-16|| ||Travis Bickle: <Colonel Mortimer: <Travis Bickle: Ok I will stay away but I will alert Homeland Security on your anti-American & possible terrorist forum.> As <twinlark> suggested, if you want to join the adult discussion, you should bring facts to the table, not insults.
The US supports al Qaeda in Syria along with other terror groups, this is simply documented. So it's rather strange that you accuse others of supporting terrorism.|
My guess is you're not interested in facts.>
mortimer, at least twinlark was cordial enough to invite me into the conversation. But a bastard like you only wants to pour fuel on the fire.. You would like nothing more than to see the United States decimated by a Russian Nuclear attack or a major ISIS attack! Don't read my mind & don't tell me your B.S. lies that you state on every site you visit 365 days of the year for at least the last 10 years! You have stated your mythical arguments so long you have them memorized. Just so you can try to spread hate for the U.S. or radicalize people to become Jihadists! A SOB like you would choke on the truth!
I'd like to see you attack & insult Vladimir Putin & Russia on a Russian site 24/7 365 days a year. The KGB would terminate a coward like you.
|Oct-22-16|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <I'm not going to report you to any U.S. Government agency.>|
Well that's a relief.
|Oct-22-16|| ||Travis Bickle: <Colonel Mortimer: <I'm not going to report you to any U.S. Government agency.>
Well that's a relief.> Mort be on the look out for a drone with your name on it.|
|Oct-22-16|| ||twinlark: <Travis>
Let me repeat the terms of discussions here. They should be argued rationally and with supporting evidence and by refraining from ad hominem insults which automatically discredit an argument.
I was unimpressed with your arguments and called them out as:
- ignorant for the reasons that you did not appear to provide any basis of your arguments, evidentiary or logical, apart from your
- prejudice toward all who are not as strongly "pro-American" as yourself, or who are not as strongly anti-Russian as you think they should be.
Most of us want to see a multi-polar world where no single country holds the style and nature of dominance that the US has used and abused over the years.
That is and has been a formula for absolute disaster for many countries and for millions of people around the world for centuries. There is no room in the world for a "world's policeman" other than a multilateral organisation specifically empowered by the nations of the world to do so.
|Oct-22-16|| ||saffuna: How about re-posting that verbatim over on that "other page"?|
|Oct-23-16|| ||twinlark: I quit the "other" page because I have said that kind of thing numerous times without much effect. Here, I can at least exercise some moderation.|
|Oct-23-16|| ||saffuna: I'll agree. Discussion sticks more to the issues, with notable exceptions.|
|Oct-24-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: I was perusing through you tube on HRC's campaign, and then saw this a few minutes ago:|
To the residents of this forum: Any ideas on what happened? (I have my own but I'll keep them to myself for now.)
|Oct-24-16|| ||saffuna: She had been suffering from pneumonia for several days but continued campaigning. Finally at the 9/11 ceremony she couldn't stand the heat and had to leave. You see she started to collapse as she approached the van.|
The rightwing/conspiracy world went nuts, but after the debates it's clear that Hillary has more stamina than Trump.
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