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|Dec-04-16|| ||twinlark: <There have been articles the poor in America live better than the middle class in the EU.>|
Forbes is such a great authority on the living standards of the poor...
|Dec-04-16|| ||saffuna: <Forbes is such a great authority on the living standards of the poor...>|
You can sometimes see the poor from a limo.
|Dec-04-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: A rant video by the neo pagan on the rape and murder of an EU official's daughter by an Afghan Muslim economic immigrant.|
In fact, there are criticisms of certain Koran-based rules that are biased against women that should be validly discussed under present-day Western culture and laws; but aren't discussed because of political correctness. In brief, there are certain Koranic passages that strongly imply that women can be raped and beaten under certain conditions. (Examples: 'Do with them as you please.' 'If they displease you beat them.') I would guess that people that try to bring this topic up for discussion will be labeled as politically incorrect Islamophobes. (What can I say? Read the Koran first outside the supervision and soft censorship of an Islamist and see for yourselves.)
This reminds me of European girls that went to Syria in order to support jihadists, only to end up raped and beaten (legally under shariah laws), or even murdered/executed.
(I know this from secular Syrian commenters. They have absolutely no sympathy for these girls and accuse them as whores of jihadists.)
|Dec-04-16|| ||saffuna: Rough start to that video: Concerning European nations, "They're all cucked, they're all part of the same Communist collective..."|
Makes it hard to take what he says afterward, even if it's legitimate.
|Dec-04-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <saffuna: Rough start to that video: Concerning European nations, "They're all cucked, they're all part of the same Communist collective..."|
Makes it hard to take what he says afterward, even if it's legitimate.>
Please discount his vulgarities. Ordinary people talk like that; at least he doesn't have any pretensions. I watch videos like this because it give me an idea what is going on in the US at the grassroots level; not as painted by the politically correct MSM.
I don't understand German. If I did, and found out that ordinary Germans are talking like this guy did, I would predict that sometime in the next decade there will be a backlash on present-day immigrant-loving German leaders.
One of the big reasons why US MSM polls were wrong was because they never listened to videos of ordinary guys like this. I've been perusing through videos in You Tube; and I've found out there have been quite a lot of ordinary Americans that have been speaking their discontent about political correctness, during the Presidential campaign.
If MSM had listened to these guys, they would not have been that confident of an HRC win. MSM did not; and these little people turned out to be correct.
|Dec-04-16|| ||saffuna: The guy is an amazing speaker to do that smoothly without notes. I just find it hard to take someone seriously who starts with saying Europe is Communist collective.|
|Dec-04-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <saffuna: The guy is an amazing speaker to do that smoothly without notes. I just find it hard to take someone seriously who starts with saying Europe is Communist collective.>|
You have to factor in the ordinary American's aversion to anything 'communist' and labeling anything they don't like by the same word. If you did not do that, you would end up not taking seriously perhaps 90% of Americans.
He is wrong in the above matter, but so would the 90% of Americans who label almost anything they don't like as 'Communist'.
As an American, you probably are more familiar about this anti 'Communist' phenomenon than me. You must know how to ignore such anti 'Communist' phrases from your countrymen and concentrate on what they are really saying instead.
(I tend to regard the term as used by most Americans as a swear word.)
|Dec-04-16|| ||saffuna: Well, the term "Communist" is pretty out of date, you don't hear it very often. Much more common, and closer to the truth I'd say, is "socialist," as in "socialist Denmark."|
As usual with those sort of videos, there appear to be good points mixed with absurd points.
|Dec-04-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <saffuna: Well, the term "Communist" is pretty out of date, you don't hear it very often. Much more common, and closer to the truth I'd say, is "socialist," as in "socialist Denmark."|
As usual with those sort of videos, there appear to be good points mixed with absurd points.>
I suggest you filter out the absurd ones, the rant phrases. That's not what he's trying to convey. Ordinary people just talk that way when they're hyped up.
We can discuss 'Communism' if you like. Or perhaps if you prefer- state socialism, democratic centralism, dictatorship of the proletariat, dialectical materialism. But not now; some other day when I am not busy.
|Dec-05-16|| ||twinlark: <I just find it hard to take someone seriously who starts with saying Europe is Communist collective.>|
A giant unaccountable bureaucracy is many people's visualisations and indeed memories of eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Whether it nominally flies under a communist flag or some other internationalist flag is a hair split for some, even when the Brussels elite and the troika clearly service the 0.01%. How different was that from the Soviet and communist nomenclatura?
I guess the big difference was that the communists actually got rid of poverty by spreading it around and normalising it while the eurocrats seem intent on creating it, eg by cutting pensions: https://www.euractiv.com/section/al...
What is also disturbing is that the traditional notion of left and right seems to be doing a barrel roll or a flip. The left wing government of Greece is implementing extreme right wing austerity measures, while the National Front in France has an economic policy that looks more like a traditional socialist or social democratic program.
This is something that George Galloway in Britain is also describing, namely that people are abandoning their traditional political brands (ie the parties they vote for) in favour of voting for someone who has the big issue that's close to their heart. Hence Brexit, Trump, the Italian referendum, the French Presidential elections that have all ready disposed of establishment candidates.
Overall, it seems to be a world wide revolt against the establishment.
|Dec-05-16|| ||diceman: <twinlark: <There have been articles the poor in America live better than the middle class in the EU.>|
Forbes is such a great authority on the living standards of the poor...>
At least Obama/Clinton level.
<saffuna: <Forbes is such a great authority on the living standards of the poor...>
You can sometimes see the poor from a limo.>
Just ask Obama.
In Chicago, you can, "Community Organize" from a limo,
and in Washington, "manage" poor folk sipping aperitifs at the White House.
|Dec-05-16|| ||diceman: <saffuna: Rough start to that video: Concerning European nations, "They're all cucked, they're all part of the same Communist collective..."|
Makes it hard to take what he says afterward, even if it's legitimate.>
Fans of the, "Hammer/Sickle?"
|Dec-05-16|| ||diceman: <twinlark:
eurocrats seem intent on creating it, eg by cutting pensions:>
Running out of people's money is what's
<What is also disturbing is that the traditional notion of left and right seems to be doing a barrel roll or a flip. The left wing government of Greece is implementing extreme right wing austerity measures>
The <barrel roll> is moving from lies to the truth.
<the National Front in France has an economic policy that looks more like a traditional socialist or social democratic program>
It to shall pass when the money runs out.
<Overall, it seems to be a world wide revolt against the establishment.>
It's a revolt against liars/failure.
Folks are starting to realize politicians can be as bad as CEOs.
(as unthinkable as that may be)
|Dec-05-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Trump will win the electoral college votes.
<Pennsylvania Recount Dropped by Jill Stein..
Late Thursday, lawmakers in Pennsylvania have filed a lawsuit against Jill Stein, alleging that she has threatened the state's ability to certify its electoral votes by the December 13 deadline.>
However, there seems to be pressure on the electoral college itself to vote HRC.
MSM, except Fox, isn't paying much attention to this. (Why am I not surprised?)
Has this happened in past Presidential elections?
|Dec-05-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <twinlark: The left wing government of Greece is implementing extreme right wing austerity measures, while the National Front in France has an economic policy that looks more like a traditional socialist or social democratic program.>|
In your opinion, what should the Greek government do?
I am unfamiliar with the <National Front in France>. Why are they considered 'rightist' and what makes their economic program look socialist or socdem?
|Dec-05-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: A hospital does get bombed in Syria. It turns out to be a Russian one, the culprits being MSM's favorite moderate head-chopping rebels.|
<2 Russian paramedics killed, 1 gravely injured in militant attack on hospital in Aleppo – MoD
The Russian Foreign Ministry has criticized western leaders after none appeared to condemn the shelling of a mobile Russian hospital by militants in Syria. Two Russian medics were killed after around a dozen of shells hit the facility in Aleppo.
“On December 5, a Russian military medic died as a mortar shell fired by militants directly hit the reception ward of a Russian mobile military hospital set up in Aleppo. Two medical specialists were also severely injured and one of them later died,” the ministry said.
“However, no words of condemnation can be heard from western capitals,” it added, criticizing western governments for their “politicized approach” to the assessment of the situation in Syria.
“We call on our partners to abandon the politicized approach and finally join the counter-terrorist efforts in Syria as well as the search for a political solution to the Syrian crisis” instead of waging a smear campaign in the media, the ministry said in its statement.
It then went on to criticize Paris and London, saying they are waging a “propaganda campaign” – in particular over the delivery of humanitarian aid.
“Our ‘concerned’ French and British colleagues cannot but know that such aid is already rendered to the Aleppo residents … by the Russian side through the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria and the Russian Emergencies Ministry,” the foreign ministry said.
It also slammed western governments for their repeated calls to stop the government operation in Eastern Aleppo, which “increasingly resembles the last desperate attempt to shield and save the terrorists and extremists supervised by [the West], who are on the losing side in the Aleppo [battle].”>
Secular Syrians hate HRC's guts. They accuse her of lobbying for the Syrian war and gunrunning weapons from Libya to Syria in order to jumpstart Obama's failed color revolution.
I have read rumors that Ambassador Stevens knew of the above smuggling operation; that he was left to die so he could not squeal on it; that some of HRC's deleted emails were evidence of her actions.
Any comments on this?
|Dec-05-16|| ||saffuna: None of the SEVEN Republican investigations determined to harm Hillary politically found that to be true.|
|Dec-05-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Alternative media news.
<In late October, the U.S-supported "opposition" invaded and occupied Sadad for over a week, till ousted by the nation's military. Among other atrocities, 45 Christians-including women and children-were killed, several tortured to death; Sadat's 14 churches, some ancient, were ransacked and destroyed; the bodies of six people from one family, ranging from ages 16 to 90, were found at the bottom of a well (an increasingly common fate for "subhuman" Christians).
The jihadis even made a graphic video (with English subtitles) of those whom they massacred, while shouting Islam's victory-cry, "Allahu Akbar" (which John McCain equates to a Christian saying "thank God"). Another video, made after Sadad was liberated shows more graphic atrocities.
Here are the words of Archbishop Selwanos Boutros Alnemeh, Syriac Orthodox Metropolitan of Homs and Hama (another detailed account, with pictures, appears here):
What happened in Sadad is the most serious and biggest massacre of Christians in Syria in the past two years and a half… 45 innocent civilians were martyred for no reason, and among them several women and children, many thrown into mass graves. Other civilians were threatened and terrorized. 30 were wounded and 10 are still missing. For one week, 1,500 families were held as hostages and human shields. Among them children, the elderly, the young, men and women…. All the houses of Sadad were robbed and property looted. The churches are damaged and desecrated, deprived of old books and precious furniture… What happened in Sadad is the largest massacre of Christians in Syria and the second in the Middle East, after the one in the Church of Our Lady of Salvation in Iraq, in 2010.
In the Iraqi attack of 2010, al-Qaeda linked jihadis stormed the church during service killing some 60 Christian worshippers (see here for graphic images of the aftermath).
While the archbishop is correct that this is the "largest massacre of Christians in Syria," it is but the tip of the iceberg of the persecution the nation's Christian minority has suffered-including beheadings, church bombings, kidnappings, rapes, and dislocation of hundreds of thousands of Christians-since the war broke out (see Syria entries in monthly persecution series).
A month before Sadad, another ancient Christian region, Ma'loula, one of the world's very few regions that still spoke Aramaic, the language of Jesus, was besieged by the jihadis, its churches bombarded and plundered, its inhabitants forced to convert to Islam or die. The last words of one man who refused were: "I am a Christian, and if you want to kill me for this, I do not object to it."
The archbishop concluded his statement concerning Sadad by asking: "We have shouted aid to the world but no one has listened to us. Where is the Christian conscience?>
Probably in the pit hole of political correctness (as I understand it, such a report might even be construed as Islamophobe in some circles) and MSM lie-by-omission gone crazy.
MSM will never report on these things, or will distort or obfuscate them, because the culprits are Obama-supported FSA and related groups.
BTW, secular Syrian Muslims (that fundamentalists regard as apostates) do write such news in the internet.
It's always a good thing to also read from the other side.
|Dec-05-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: A am not so familiar with the European migrant crisis, and in fact learned about it first by reading Syrian comments in the internet. Their opinions and viewpoint is somewhat different.|
1. Most of the Syrian 'refugees' going to Europe are young males, many of them draft dodgers (a felony in Syria) or economic migrants.
2. There are significant numbers of Islamic fundamentalists among the migrants.
3. When these Islamists radicalize people and cause violence in EU immigrant-loving countries, the Syrians' reaction is: 'Good! Have a taste of your own medicine! You were the ones that helped unleash these self-righteous, throat-slitting, suicide-bombing, rapist murdering scum on us in the first place.'
For the Europeans' sake, I am hoping EU (and NATO) will dissolve. It will solve lots of problems on both sides of the Mediterranean, and abort the nascent Cold War chapter 2 between Europe and Russia.
The migrant problem will die down before becoming intractable, the individual countries will have the opportunity to fix their own countries in the best interests of their peoples without Brussels central meddling in, trade with Russia will resume to the benefit of all.
|Dec-05-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <twinlark> Admittedly, I don't know much of anything about National Front's Marie Le Pen. (I didn't even know how she looks like.)|
Here is a video from her interview with BBC. A must see IMO, as she clearly enunciates her views. (Now I know how she looks like.)
I have read of similar views from other people in the internet. I am familiar with the issues and he stand.
What strikes me is that she is a self-confessed ideologue. If this woman is elected, she will move for her vision of what France should be, regardless of opportunists around her, MSM hostility, and the culture of political correctness.
Trump actually reminds me of an ideologue himself, except that he is relatively politically unschooled.
|Dec-06-16|| ||Colonel Mortimer: <diceman> <There have been articles the poor in America live better than the middle class in the EU.>|
That's because of "trickle down economics" in the US..
Which operates on the principle that the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the rich, can best be served by giving the rich bigger meals.
|Dec-06-16|| ||visayanbraindoctor: Interesting development in Aleppo.
If I got it right (correct me if I am wrong), this is the sequence of events.
1. US supported jihadists shell Russian hospital. (link above)
2. Russia (with China) vetoes a proposed ceasefire.
Kerry seems to be expecting that the Russians will keep on agreeing on every ceasefire that he proposes. Each time that has happened, the jihadists have taken advantage by resupplying and redeploying.
Now to add more insult, the same jihadists intentionally shell a Russian hospital that is actually giving humanitarian aid, and so murder Russian doctors.
Does Kerry think Russia will still bend the knee to another ceasefire proposal?
Sometimes, I think Kerry and other US diplomats don't even try to see things from the other side's viewpoint. They just keep on heaping insult upon insult, until it becomes intolerable. Now apparently the Russians want to finish off all jihadists in Aleppo city, US vetted or not.
|Dec-06-16|| ||diceman: <Colonel Mortimer: <diceman> <There have been articles the poor in America live better than the middle class in the EU.>|
That's because of "trickle down economics" in the US..>
Exactly why Washington DC is a wealthy place.
<the poor, who must subsist on table scraps dropped by the "rich">
Yes, saffuna equality, welfare/food stamps is funded by the rich.
Look at the bright side, you're only "employed" on election day.
|Dec-06-16|| ||diceman: <saffuna: None of the SEVEN Republican investigations determined to harm Hillary politically found that to be true.>|
...and OJ Simpson was found "not guilty" of murder.
|Dec-06-16|| ||diceman: <saffuna:
determined to harm Hillary politically>
The Donald Trump within saffuna.
The truth/facts always hurt Hillary.
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