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Aug-24-05
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| Sneaky: teme, some players achieved their greatest triumphs before there was such a thing as a rating system. By the time Pomar had a rating, he was older and understandably weaker. Besides, the ratings today are greatly inflated. Some people say by 100 points but in my opinion its much more. Being in the 2400's in the 1960's is sort of like being in the 2600's today, in my opinion. |
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Aug-24-05
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| iron maiden: Chessmetrics seems to agree with you. His highest-ever rating was 2655, and he was ranked in the top 50 from 1959 to 1965. http://chessmetrics.com/CM2/PlayerP... |
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| Aug-24-05 |
| teme: <sneaky> <iron maiden> Thanks for explaining! |
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| Sep-16-05 |
| Maroczy: I wish Arturo would write his memoirs; imagine, he played Alekhine, Samisch, Maroczy, et al. Maybe some members know of some articles by/about Arturo and can share it. |
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| Jan-23-06 |
| BIDMONFA: Arturo Pomar-Salamanca POMAR, Arturo
http://www.bidmonfa.com/campionats_...
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| Mar-19-06 |
| macce: How about a picture of Pomar ? ;-)
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| Sep-01-06 |
| BIDMONFA: Arturo Pomar-Salamanca POMAR, Arturo
http://www.bidmonfa.com/pomar_artur...
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| Sep-01-06 |
| FrenchFrog: He was a hero in Franco's Spain. Alekhine, friend of all european fascists, was his personal trainer during the war, one the gloomiest periods Spain has ever lived.
http://www.elpais.es/especiales/200... |
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| Sep-01-06 |
| euripides: <He was a hero in Franco's Spain. Alekhine, friend of all european fascists, was his personal trainer during the war, one the gloomiest periods Spain has ever lived. http://www.elpais.es/especiales/200...; According to that article Pomar was 14 when the war finished; too young, I think, to be held fully responsible for his political significance. That article makes no reference to your claim that Alekhine was his trainer; in any case, this would have ended at the age of 15 or so. Botvinnik's telegram to Stalin in 1936 - at the age of 25 - looks rather more problematic to me. But those who have had the good luck not to live under political tyranny should be a little understanding of the compromises people make under it. |
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| Sep-01-06 |
| FrenchFrog: <But those who have had the good luck not to live under political tyranny should be a little understanding of the compromises people make under it.> Between 1939 and 1946, Franco killed 300,000 Spaniards. They did not have any chance of compromise... |
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| Sep-01-06 |
| euripides: <frog> well I imagine you were on the streets protesting about French policy in Rwanda in 1994; I wouln't want to think there was any hypocrisy involved. Attacking an old, sick man for the way that a fascist government used him as a child is despicable in any case. |
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| Sep-02-06 |
| FrenchFrog: <Attacking an old, sick man> I was attacking Alekhine, a Frenchman who was a traitor during the war...I agree that the young Pomar was only a puppet for the mass murderers of Madrid. |
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| Sep-02-06 |
| Justinpatzer: I accessed this page after reading the chess column in El Pais yesterday, which is about Pomar (it was his 75th birthday) and begins: "Niño prodigio maltrado por el franquismo....."
My rather undeveloped Spanish translates this as "child prodigy ill-treated by Francoism". Would anybody know what, specifically, Leontxo García means? Just the general business of putting a prodigy on show, or was there more to it than that? |
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| Sep-02-06 |
| FrenchFrog: <"Niño prodigio maltrado por el franquismo....." > Alekhine was paid by Franco's regime to be the personal trainer of the wunderkind. He was a friend of the Nazis, and world champion. For Pomar, he wrote the book published after his death as 107 Great Chess Battles: 1939-1945. |
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| Sep-02-06 |
| FrenchFrog: In 1944 Alekhine wrote Curso a Arturo Pomar, published in Madrid. |
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| Sep-03-06 |
| Justinpatzer: Er, yes, I knew that. But it didn't seem to me to constitute "maltrado". |
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| Sep-03-06 |
| FrenchFrog: <But it didn't seem to me to constitute "maltrado".> I agree. But in Spain nowadays, they don't know how to speak about the Franco's years. Well, he was "maltrado" at fourteen. Günter Grass was 17 when he was "maltratado" in the SS ! It's so easy to be a victim... |
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| Sep-03-06 |
| euripides: I fail to see how having Alekhine as a trainer equates with being in the SS. Were all Botvinnik's pupils responsible for the Gulag ? |
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| Sep-04-06 |
| Justinpatzer: It doesn't seem to occur to FrenchFrog that I'm actually asking for information here. I already know what I've already been told: but is there anything more to it than that? To what was García specifically referring, if anything? |
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| Sep-04-06 |
| FrenchFrog: <I fail to see how having Alekhine as a trainer equates with being in the SS> Totalitarian regimes love to use youngsters. Pomar was a symbol for the spanish fascists, like any champion in Italy or Germany during this era, or in USSR or GDR later. The swimmers of East Germany were maltrados...
And Alekhine was also a perfect trainer : I daresay he was himself a Nazi, and a great champion. Great friend for a boy who was the pride of what they called la raza española. He was maltratado because he was used by the regime. That's what Leontxo Garcia means. Be sure that he was not tortured. In the same way, young people in the SS are said to be victims of the Nazis. That's an awkward issue in country like Spain or Germany... |
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| Sep-04-06 |
| FrenchFrog: <Were all Botvinnik's pupils responsible for the Gulag ?> No they were victims, but it 's unclear...Some of them became heroes for the Soviet Union, like Karpov...Think of the poor young boys of the Hitler Jugend. Was Hitler's Youth quite innocent ? That's a question you can spend the lives of many historians to deal with |
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| Sep-01-07 |
| Belezky: Well, I heard that Pomar worked for a very long time in a post office receiving a small salary. But as a chess player he couldn't survive in Franco's Spain. So, compared to the chess players from the USSR he lacked that support.
Also, speaking about Alekhine. Calling him traitor is nonsense. The man who battled in two World Wars. Who joined the French army on his own (he wasn't obliged to go). No... He wasn't a traitor. |
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Oct-01-08
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| whiteshark: So what is the case in point now? |
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| Oct-14-08 |
| Karpova: C.N. 5801
Picture of Arturo Pomar with Francisco Franco from page 50 of the 6/2002 issue of "Peón de Rey". It's director, Amador Rodríguez comments: <‘We know for sure that Franco officially met Pomar twice, in 1944 and in 1946. From the picture, we estimate that it was most likely taken in 1946, when Pomar was 15 years old.’> Source: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... Link: http://www.peonderey.com/ |
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| Apr-10-09 |
| Dredge Rivers: Why didn't he become a much better player than he did? After all, he was quite the child progeny! :) |
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