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|Nov-12-08|| ||KOCMOHAYT: Happy Birthday Bora!
Sretan roðendan Bora!
|Nov-12-08|| ||timhortons: happy birthday grandmaster ivkov, at least i can claim id seen in person one of the great in chess during fischers era, i just used to read about you before in profile of the prodigy.|
i hope to see you again at 2009 canadian open.
there must be somebody here in montreal who is very influential to grandmaster ivkov, the reason why once a year he goes out of retirement and play in canadian open.He played in 2007-2008 canadian open.
|Feb-19-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: I know he is from the former Yugoslavia, but is he an ethnic Bulgarian? His name sounds alot more Bulgarian than Serbian or Croatian.|
|Apr-18-09|| ||Andrijadj: He is not Bulgarian,surnames finishing with OV are common in Serbia,especially in Vojvodina...|
|Jul-06-10|| ||GrahamClayton: Here is a photo of Ivkov playing against Bobby Fischer in a skittles game prior to the 1966 Piatigorsky Cup tournament in Santa Monica, California:|
|Oct-07-10|| ||brankat: <GrahamClayton> A very nice photo indeed. Thank You.|
|Nov-12-10|| ||brankat: Happy Birthday Bora!|
|Feb-17-11|| ||Skakalec: It's not a common knowledge, but he wrote a book about endings, which was my first of that art. It was so easy to read that I didn't use the board.
I read it before going to bed!
That book alone doubled my strength, and soon I was a top player in my home town, easily beating (or drawing if necessary)older "masters" with no theoretical knowledge.
After that, I realized, that learning chess starts with endings, not openings!
|Jun-04-11|| ||bronkenstein: Karpov says , in his first autobiography from the end of the 70s ,that he decided to become a GM after he lost to Ivkov here Ivkov vs Karpov, 1970. He complimented Bora´s gameplay a lot , and it was the only defeat included in his book (!).|
Karpov is still equal with the old man , and he wasted his last chance to take a lead somewhere mid-to-late 90s , on tournament held in Belgrade . Anatoly was reigning FIDE world champion , and Ivkov was well in the 7th decade of his life, still the game ended in a draw .
Karpov´s comment after the game ˝It supprised me how strong Ivkov still is!˝.
|Nov-12-11|| ||brankat: Happy Birthday Bora!|
|Nov-12-11|| ||bronkenstein: Happy Bday to the Worlds First Junior Chess Champion .
Also the author of my very first book on endgames - I believe that`s the one which <Skakalec> mentioned . <It was so easy to read...> and it still is =)|
|Nov-13-11|| ||brankat: <bronkenstein> I never knew Ivkov wrote a book on endgames. Is it still in print?|
Btw, what is <Skakalec>? Thank You.
|Nov-13-11|| ||bronkenstein: <brankat> , the book was named simply `Endgames` as part of `Chess in schools` program in Yugoslavia somewhere around 1978-9-80. |
Ivkov was author of it together with `Strategy and Tactics` , `Openings - Open Games` and `Openings - Closed Games` (paraphrasing these 3 titles by memory). `The Endgame` was printed in only 2000 copies ( I was surprised by so small number ) , and I don`t remember that I ever saw newer or different issue of it.
PS <Skakalec> should be Slovenian word for the chess knight , also the name of the poster who posted few posts up on this page : <Skakalec: It's not a common knowledge, but he wrote a book about endings, which was my first of that art. It was so easy to read that I didn't use the board. I read it before going to bed!
That book alone doubled my strength, and soon I was a top player in my home town, easily beating (or drawing if necessary)older "masters" with no theoretical knowledge. After that, I realized, that learning chess starts with endings, not openings!>.
|Nov-13-11|| ||brankat: <bronkenstein> Thank You. Then, I assume, the books didn't have an English edition.|
Yes, I thought the word was Slovenian for <Knight>. In Serbian/Croatian it would be <Skakac>, where the <c> is pronounced as a <ch> in English. The word actually means "Jumper".
But then, it seems like You do understand Croatian/Serbian :-)
|Nov-13-11|| ||bronkenstein: <But then, it seems like You do understand Croatian/Serbian :-)> or any other way anyone might prefer to call that language(s) o,O |
PS we had it (or one of it`s 4-5-6 fractions) further separated into Serbian and Montenegrian recently , ink wars about that silly thing are still going on.
PPS springer , laufer etc - the names seem to be simply translated from German. Some people are virtually using the word laufer for bishop here.
|Nov-13-11|| ||brankat: <bronkenstein> Yes, I know. I've even heard an expression "Bosnian" language. I suppose "Herzegovian" is next. |
Like we have not had experienced enough catastrophies already. And that's just in last 20 years, not to mention somewhat older ones. Unfortunately, they never seem to become too old.
Yes, I remember laufer instead of "lovac", "kraljica" for "dama", (although it is "queen" in English notation), "kula" instead of "top, "pijun" (pawn?) for "pje(sh)ak :-)
Myself, I stopped using the "popular" phraseology while still a kid, so now they sound kinda silly.
Mostly. I haven't really been following news from the old country because they made me sick. For all intents and purposes, what I consider to be my "old country" doesn't exist any more.
|Nov-13-11|| ||bronkenstein: <brankat> , all these wars had some good side effects , one of which is - B. Ivkov is getting few posts closer to (woot woot) 3rd page . Think positive!|
|Nov-13-11|| ||brankat: <bronkenstein> Why didn't I think of that :-)|
|Dec-20-11|| ||brankat: May You have happy and enjoyable Holidays!|
|Dec-20-11|| ||timhortons: this guy is really a gentleman,you can observed it by his demeanor.|
im so happy id seen him in person last few years ago.
|Apr-10-12|| ||brankat: The updated Biography is quite an impressive one. I had almost forgotten just how much tournament success had Ivkov had in his younger days.|
|Oct-01-12|| ||wordfunph: from D. Bjelica's book Grandmasters in Profile..
<Fischer once said:
"Ivkov is a good player but he is always getting short of time."
and Ivkov remarked:
"Fischer is a good player and he never gets short of time.">
|Oct-01-12|| ||RookFile: I like Ivkov's games. A real fighter, capable of beating anybody on a good day.|
|Oct-23-12|| ||brankat: <wordfunph> You actually have the book?! And I thought nobody has even ever heard of it. I still have the original edition, 1967, in Serbo-Croatian.|
|Jul-03-14|| ||zydeco: Other grandmasters thought very highly of Ivkov, who was apparently a wonderful talent. In his autobiography, Tal mentions that he and his seconds (along with most experts) were convinced that Ivkov was going to win his 1965 match against Larsen -- before Larsen demolished him. Larsen, for his part, lists Ivkov among the eight best players in the world in 1968, ahead of Geller, Keres, Gligoric, and Stein: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...|
Ivkov may be one of the all-time great underachievers. He was pegged to be in the world's elite for a long time, and occasionally had a dominating tournament (especially Zagreb 1965) but never put together a really consistent string of results, especially in the world-title cycle.
In his autobiography, Gligoric in part blames Ivkov for his own poor result at Buenos Aires 1960. Gligoric claims that Ivkov, his roommate for the tournament, "forced upon me his own way of life - in bed until 2 o'clock, a quick lunch, and then play at 3."
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