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| whiteshark: Possibly in 164 days, i.e. Jul-29-09 |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| ewan14: Has Paul Keres got a plus score against Geller ? |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| ughaibu: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| ewan14: Yes !
Thank you Ughaibu
And Korchnoi and Boris Spassky could be the major players of the sixties who have plus scores against him |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| ewan14: According to '' Petrosian v the Elite '' Geller was in the lead at the half way stage of the 1956 Candidates tournament but then lost to Petrosian
and Smyslov ( again ) in the next two rounds |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| Petrosianic: Yes, the halftime scores were:
Geller: 6-3
Keres, Bronstein: 5½-3½
Smyslov: 5-4
But Geller went -2 in the second half.
Actually, his first game in the second half was this one Petrosian vs Geller, 1956
which is usually listed as one of Petrosian's best games. It was a revenge effort for this game from the 1st Round: Geller vs Petrosian, 1956
Vasiliev's book explains that Petrosian was in a quiet mood, equalized early, offered a draw, but Geller was in an aggressive mood and refused it, then went on to lose. So he was in a fighting mood in turn next time around. |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| LittleWing: Dear chessgames.com!
According to the database, Paul Keres is the recorder, who scored against 9 world champions:1. Capablanca
2. Alekhine
3. Euwe
4. Botvinnik
5. Smyslov
6. Tal
7. Petrosian
8. Spassky
9. Fischer |
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Mar-04-09
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| AnalyzeThis: Very impressive. Keres also drew Karpov twice, but because they were draws as opposed to 1 win and 1 loss, we don't add to the list. |
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Mar-04-09
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| parisattack: <DarthStapler: I wonder why no one ever nominates Geller for "strongest player never to become World Champion"?> That is a good question! He would certainly seem to at least be close to qualifying. Sadly his games have never been too well known. He was in his prime a great 'power player' in the lineage of Pillsbury, Keres, Stein... |
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| Mar-04-09 |
| Petrosianic: <DarthStapler: I wonder why no one ever nominates Geller for "strongest player never to become World Champion"?> He belongs on anybody's Top 10 List, but Keres, Korchnoi and Reshevsky simply have more pathos associated with their names. |
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Mar-08-09
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| brankat: R.I.P. GM Geller. |
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Mar-08-09
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| talisman: happy b'day Killa. |
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| May-02-09 |
| M.D. Wilson: If I had to use one word to sum up the style of Efim Geller, it would be 'tension'. |
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| May-12-09 |
| Fanacas: What about schlechter also a great chess player who didnt get world champion (and that was truly close) |
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| May-12-09 |
| ewan14: Well Korchnoi seems to have a good plus score against Geller so I think that definitely puts him ahead as '' strongest player never to have won etc '' |
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| May-12-09 |
| Fanacas: If you make a list of strong chess players who never became world champion you have many people. |
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| May-14-09 |
| M.D. Wilson: Surely Bronstein got the closest to the title by drawing Botvinnik, the World Champion. |
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| May-14-09 |
| returnoftheking: < xrt999: In his lifetime, Geller played 890 games as black and only lost 90 of these games. He won 264 and drew 536. >
He had a 60 percent score with black??
That is better then Korchnoi-better then Geller's own overall percentage. |
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| May-14-09 |
| Fanacas: Wat about schlechter drwaing lasker The world Champion (27 years) there are many canidates for it also people who never tried to become world champion. |
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May-14-09
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| parisattack: Geller's Application of Chess Theory is a wonderful book. The original Pergamon edition is tough to find, expensive. The Everyman paperback is, however, readily available although it has been cited for poor production values. There is also Grandmaster Geller at the Chess Board translated by the prolific Bernard Cafferty and a Russian 'Black Series' book of his games. There used to be a nice website devoted to Geller but either I've lost it in the cyber sun or it has been taken down. |
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| May-14-09 |
| returnoftheking: In addition there is a(relatively new)little book in German about GM Geller:
Efim P. Geller, Der Russische Morphy, Helmut Wieteck |
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May-14-09
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| parisattack: <returnoftheking: In addition there is a(relatively new)little book in German about GM Geller: Efim P. Geller, Der Russische Morphy, Helmut Wieteck> Thanks! I will try to purchase a copy. |
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| May-21-09 |
| M.D. Wilson: The more of Geller I see, the more I like. Although he liked to play with a lot of pieces on the board, he was also a great positional player and knew when to play "quiet" moves, a nice combination. He was a real openings maven, yet when he deviated or played into complicated positions, he rarely got into serious trouble, due to his clear thinking and deep understanding of the position. I think Ivanchuk may be compared to this other great Ukrainian super GM. On the topic of Ivanchuk: take a break from the game, recharge, and come back even stronger; the World Title is certainly not beyond his reach. |
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| Jun-15-09 |
| xrt999: <returnoftheking: < xrt999: In his lifetime, Geller played 890 games as black and only lost 90 of these games.
He won 264 and drew 536. >
He had a 60 percent score with black??>
These numbers may not be 100% accurate; I extracted these statistics from the CM database, which only contains about 1,700 Geller games, and physically counted each section by hand. It was quite tedious, but I was really on a mission to get the info, and couldnt figure out how to get the database to give me the statistics. I was able to get to the actual point of all of Geller's games as black, and could then arrange them by win-loss-draw. After a while of laboring over how to then get the numbers, I remember saying to myself "just freakin count the things". Sometimes we rely on technology too much, and forget that we can always "old school" it. cheers |
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| Jun-15-09 |
| WhiteRook48: my that's impressive |
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