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|Feb-27-07|| ||whatthefat: <SirBruce: I've been studying Greco recently. According to his book, his value for chess pieces are P=1 K=3.5 B=3.5 R=5 Q=11.>|
That's fascinatingly close to the contemporary values. Here's a comparison between Greco's and Philidor's evaluations, each normalized by =5,
Piece ----- Greco ----- Philidor
-- --------- 1.0 --------- 0.7
-- --------- 3.5 --------- 3.1
-- --------- 3.5 --------- 3.3
-- --------- 5.0 --------- 5.0
-- -------- 11.0 -------- 7.9
Rather amusing that Philidor undervalued the pawn.
|May-19-07|| ||wolfmaster: Easy but cute puzzle,refutor.
1. Ra1+ Rf1
2. Rxf1+ Kxf1
3. Bh3! gxh3
and wrong color bishop ensures a draw.
|Jun-10-07|| ||IMDONE4: greco never lost a game? hmmm... methinks he should get a 3000 rating|
|Aug-22-07|| ||lau7aro: Whats with Greco opponents?? They seem to play in favour of him!|
|Sep-23-07|| ||NitrousPeak: More amusing that Philidor treated the Queen like it was barely much better compared to a rook, <whatthefat>|
|Feb-13-08|| ||Knight13: Won all games, not even single draw. This guy's performance is well over 3200.|
|Feb-24-08|| ||Knight13: I don't know if anybody else mentioned this, but Greco was the first guy to experiment with the "Bxh7+" sacrifice and actually beat somebody with it.|
|Feb-25-08|| ||Gypsy: <Knight13> Greek gift sacrifice.|
|Mar-20-08|| ||Karpova: According to Prof. Alessandro Sanvito, Greco died in 1630 (not 1634). Greco didn't travel to Rome before 1619. In 1621 he travelled to Nancy where he wrote a manuscript and then went to Paris where he beat the best players. With the money he earned through playing chess he travelled to London and also beat the strongest players there. During 1624/25 he stayed in France and then travelled to Spain where he beat Don Mariano Morano (he was from Naples). Greco returned to Naples but went to Spain again at the end of his life. He joined a journey of the Jesuits to proselytize in the Westindies where he seems to have died in 1630 already.|
Does anyone have Sanvito's book < I codici scacchistici di Giulio Cesare Polerio e Gioacchino Greco> to confirm this?
|Jul-21-08|| ||firefly3: How do we know these games in the database were actually played by Greco, and not invented by him? It seems to me he got handed the games on a silver platter... and it also seems unlikely that so many miniatures would arise;|
|Jul-21-08|| ||apple pi: <How do we know these games in the database were actually played by Greco, and not invented by him?> We don't|
|Jul-21-08|| ||Tomlinsky: <firefly3> They are generally accepted to be studies by Greco at the time, not games that were actually played.|
|Jul-21-08|| ||keypusher: <firefly3: How do we know these games in the database were actually played by Greco, and not invented by him? It seems to me he got handed the games on a silver platter... and it also seems unlikely that so many miniatures would arise;>|
What Tomlinsky and apple pi said. I think some of these "games" were just openings analysis, and others may have been real games that he prettied up a little bit. But the fact that so many were minatures doesn't prove that they weren't real; they could represent a small sample of Greco's total games. I am sure not all of Bill Wall's games are minatures...
|Jul-29-08|| ||awalters869: no doubt greco was a great player, but all of his "NN" games smack of being pre-arranged games...that is to say that these NN games never took place and they have the appearance of just being games where greco worked out both sides making the game look as impressive (and beautiful) as possible for white.|
|Oct-31-08|| ||mjmorri: Greco's games/compositions are amusing to play over, but also quite instructive.|
I would imagine that quite a few of them have been repeated many times throughout history.
|Nov-19-08|| ||VaselineTopLove: Greco never lost a game? Sounds fishy...did the Jesuits he bequeathed his wealth to, cover up all his lost games, like they have been covering up other information over the years ;) (think Da Vinci Code)|
|Dec-14-08|| ||deadlyking: he maybe never lost a game because the games were notes/calculations of variatons, or he may have been good. also, if he was born around 1600, how could he have played 2 games in 1590? lol|
|Jan-10-09|| ||blacksburg: sooo, ummm, is there any record of one of this guy's actual real games?|
|Jan-10-09|| ||WhiteRook48: "Greco's opponents play in favor of him"
Hmm? His only opponent was NN.
|Jan-10-09|| ||blacksburg: <In 1619, Greco started keeping a notebook of tactics and games, and he took up the custom of giving copies of his manuscripts to his wealthy patrons.>|
i see no reason why greco would not have also shared his actual games with said patrons. i'm gonna have to assume that greco is an earlier version of Prince Andrey Dadian of Mingrelia until someone proves otherwise.
|Jan-10-09|| ||sleepyirv: <blacksburg> You want people to prove a negative?|
|Jan-10-09|| ||blacksburg: <You want people to prove a negative?>|
no, i just want to see a game of greco vs. an actual person with a name, and i can't find an example of this.
did he really not remember or record the name of a single opponent? i find this very hard to believe.
|Jan-11-09|| ||sleepyirv: Why? He might felt it was rude to record their names or didn't feel the need to record the names of a bunch of patzers- only the games mattered. You have good grounds to suspect something but not good enough to call him a liar and demand evidence to the contrary.|
|Jan-11-09|| ||blacksburg: if i was a serious chessplayer, and i presented to someone a collection of my best games, i would expect for that person to be interested in who i was playing against. |
if some dude came up to me, and said "i'm a fabulous chessplayer, look at my games!", and then showed me some brilliant games against anonymous people with no names, i would ask him "who did you play against?" if he replied "sorry, i don't know who i played against, i don't remember any of their names, not a SINGLE one," i would not believe him.
i'd just like to see ONE game, greco vs. a person with a name. ONE game. lots of people that have played NN have also played games against people with names.
<He might felt it was rude to record their names> how could anyone be so sensitive as to consider it rude for someone to know his name? that doesnt even make sense...
|Jan-11-09|| ||Karpova: <blacksburg: f some dude came up to me, and said "i'm a fabulous chessplayer, look at my games!", and then showed me some brilliant games against anonymous people with no names, i would ask him "who did you play against?" if he replied "sorry, i don't know who i played against, i don't remember any of their names, not a SINGLE one," i would not believe him.>|
Read a bit about the time he lived in and the man himself: http://batgirl.atspace.com/Renplaye...
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